Jontron Debate

were are the smashies, we need to punch him

Send him the books PDFs. The theory he needs. Also fuck the /our guy/ shit jokes.

He is his own. But yes he is popular & he might be interested in the books we like. He can educate his opinion more, the dude is critical he will get it.

I find it weird too, I was thinking about making a thread about it.

I think it's becasue Holla Forums is verry active and links videos so people can raid it.

Could someone make a "best of" reel so we don't have to wait through two hours of a YouTube argument?

It isn't a debate, retards, stop abusing that poor word

Who Jon? he is pathetic, not worth it. He just needs to grow the fuck up. I'm quite sure he will someday.

he won't grow up, he will be swallowed by the ideology and eup up as alex jones or molymeme

at least give him a proper reason to do so and something we can use to laught at him

It's just right wing populism - its a faze he will get over.

jontron is a fucking retard who cannot articulate himself correctly. destiny's arguments are shit and instead of easily challenging them jontron just fumbles around

e-celeb debates are cancer

I predict he will be the new Sam Hyde in a year or two.

JonTron got scared of Destiny's superior public speaking and doubled down on globalist pro-immigration rhetoric like a sperg because he wanted to keep the focus on the United States. If he wasn't so Marxist I would simply say he's a typical #GamerGate Nazi because back in 2011 days of dead gaem II he was openly racist and insulting to other players.

Nah Jon isn't on that level of retarded.

Speaking of Sam Hyde, Sam has to get smashie'd like Spencer one day through. That would be so fuckin funny.

i don't know how to contain my rage at someone that holds this opinion

Jon Tron is a classic example of those people who have their first political experience since leaving highschool, and think it's really opened their eyes, but can't be bothered to read. It's like he's been sheltering himself in humor and irony all these years, and just recently discovered people have opinions they care about.

You described what Holla Forumstards are extremely well there.

That doesn't change the fact that a lot of pro-immigration rhetoric absolutely depends on white people not giving a shit about the whole deeply triggering and problematic propaganda coming out of the start of this decade. I literally had to switch jobs just to avoid cultural Marxist music. It's not like its fucking Zionist shilling but I swear that I wonder why do people always want to have an always growing economy based on immigrants in a world that's running out of resources to provide to the very destructive nature of human beings to begin with? Do they not see that the possibility of ethnic warfare would ever happen again? All it takes is propaganda kek

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What is cultural Marxist music? What's not? Quitting your job because they play Beyoncé at work is the most autistic thing I've ever read.

That's Nazi propaganda.

wut

Jon has obviously been reading some shit, you don't develop the kind of ideas he has by osmosis. Some proto-alt-right types got their foot in the door a while ago (probably as the result of the excesses of gamergate) and have been grooming him since then. If he didnt "read" he would just be a liberal democrat or a "moderate trumpist". At least, you better hope JonTrons opinions are not the result of political apathy. Also this place is full of anarchists so don't complain about teenagers that just became politically aware for the first time in their lives lol

Everything Jon spouts you could find on youtube, though.
0 reading required.

Damn jontron is getting his ass torn open.

I was thinking the exact same thing. Destiny just pulled is veing liberal dick out and left him there

*veiny

u wot m8?

stop being autistic, go to the hospital and get it checked

Mein Gott…

Why is he such a cuck?

Hes misinformed.

The idpol white nats are dying off, this is a good start. Jon will wake up after this, i hope.

Is he really white Hungarian? O:
I know this is spooky shit but I'm curious

It's because youtube has become the defacto media outlet of choice for gen Y in a way that many don't realize. Talk to any moderately popular youtube streamer/podcaster and you'll see how many of their audience members are actually middle school age.

He destroyed himself by being unable to understand that Destiny isn't a typical liberal without any knowledge or debating skills. Jon misunderstood so many obvious points that it was painful to watch. He lacked so much knowledge about racial issues, psychology, and history. Also, the good old Commies are bad. Truly makes you think.

Holla Forumsyps continue to be the best argument against white supremacy

t. cultural marxists

His dad is Iranian, his mom is Hungarian.

YouTube comments have votes and reactionaries have a strong need to have their beliefs reinforced with e-points. Similarly, these people were a major reason Disqus became popular.

SJW do the same because they are just liberal reactionaries.

oh fuck this whole time i just realized i was on the wrong board holy shit
I was wondering why everyone was a shill
It certainly would be lovely if an ideal communist state didn't involve the god forsaken retarded
REALLY
autistic notion of the forceful transfer of wealth.

ARE YOU AUTISTIC?

Holla Forums DOESN'T HAVE FLAGS!!

YOU FUCKING AUTISTIC FUCK

There's your problem. You're an illiterate who got your notions of opposing ideologies from memes and jokes. Feel free to go back.

burger pls leave

Idiot of the week everybody, and can you believe its only Tuesday. Man I hope you get time and a half cause you are working overtime.

Look if you're gonna do some fucked up shit, at least let it be guided by unfettered malice and spite.

He will have my sympathy if he commits suicide within a week.

Go back.

looking for honest and logical criticisms of the ideology not fucking medicine to reverse its effects, how do you expect to win a meme war with low energy like that?

I love that Sargon has become so predictable for taking the dumbest stance on any situation. I still remember during the Milo debacle he didn't even defend Milo by saying Milo wasn't a pedo like everyone else, but basically said "well what's wrong with that?" over and over again.

pick just one stormnigger

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Go read a book then you can come back. I bet you haven't even read Nazi or Right Libertarian literature

Im not the one who is so fuckin retarded that they did not know what board they were on

Lol see this is exactly the retarded shit we're all laughing at in this thread. You think the red countries on this map are worth emulating? What about them makes you want your country to be more like them?

My favorite is 1984

Great, now what political or economic theory have you read?

Nice, I read that when I was literally 12. What an intellectual you are.

Neat, tell me more

Orwell was a socialist, you moron.
Also, the nightmare land where your T.V. monitors you is already happening slowly in the capitalist U.S. Vault 7 revealed that to us.

Nice socialist propaganda you got then nazi. Oh that's right you prolly think Orwell was a righty like you.

who gives a shit what some youtube nobody thinks?

I like the concept of owning your own labor, but it is not really practically applied in an overpopulated world that we live in today where banks and money rule most of the labor supply.

I don't assume he's a right winger, just wrote good books, animal farm was another one.
I simply humanize people instead of dehumanize everyone for a stupid theory. People shouldn't be completely controlled by submission, fear, economics, and their lack of opportunity forcing their hand.

multiple levels of irony

What?

So why would the solution not be to take power and influence away from those banking and business institutions? You realize that's our position right?

He wrote books that tried to warn about the dangers of your ideology. You are intellectually cucking yourself

You could have at least sort of had that if you didn't kill the Asserites to pursue your bizarre occult fantasies, fam

The massive dehumanizing conglomerates we see are in fact necessary to increase the efficiency of production and distribution.

However, once we have efficient economic mechanisms, why do we still need to work 40 hours a week or more?

Eventually work will be too hard to find to justify this, purchasing power will fall because conservatives think unemployment is a moral failing and will refuse to allow the state to support them, and the system will reach a crisis.

The days of an economy based on the work of individual artisans are over. But after the basics are accounted for, wouldn't you prefer to have whatever occupation you wanted, without having to worry about paying the bills?

Why do all of you keep responding to some idiotic Nazi who was retarded enough to wander in by accident?

You fucking autist

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I can't deal with this amount of irony.

I don't see how you can cuck yourself by learning what the enemy doesn't want you to take a different perspective on.

I'm not really for it if its to the detriment of certain peoples for the sake of the rest.

Because he's not being a completely spergy tard and is at least ostensibly willing to engage ernestly. Considering this is a thread about one of his own that managed even worse rhetoric I don't think it's inconsistent

Even the "shitskins" in Rojava were able to set up a cooperative economy with foreign banks.
Pull your head out of your ass and stop sucking Wall Street's dick.

*with
Meant to say without.

What an artificial way of seeing the world. If something benefits people at large (and you yourself admit that these are bad things holding everyone back) who gives a shit if it benefits people you don't like too?

Aren't gen Y all over 20 now?

I'm here to balance out my ideology for an autistic evening to make sure I can be a normie again, who needs meds?

I'm not a fan of benefiting others because they need the benefit from my labors or my pockets. I'm quite the libertarian and wish people would stop soliciting me to work harder to make up for someone else who isn't doing the same amount of work. Certain individuals tend to try and latch on to enjoy benefits they can get for leaving just a little extra work for me so they can take it easy. So if I put in the work, why is it prone for others to take credit for it and not just be genuinely honest always?

Hard to keep track of the nomenclature, I guess it would be gen Z then. Think of the kids who don't even remember a world without streaming and youtube, unlike older millennials who saw the early introduction and development of those things during their teen years.

Neither are we. The fact of the matter is that way more of "your money" goes to paying company owners who sit on their ass and collect checks than to whatever lazy minority stereotype you're afraid of.

If you're hired by a company to make the big boss $100 an hour with your work, and you get $10 an hour for your trouble, and then give $1-2 of that to taxes, who's really "stealing" most of your money?

But it's okay for your boss to steal your labour right?

If you're right lolbertarian, why not go all the way left lolbertarian?

Take your meds timmy, stop rebelling against your mom, it is useless

Fucking hell

I believe in concepts from all sides, their ultimate application is key. It's mostly fantasy to believe it would ever happen the same way again tho

Nazi cucks fam, I thumbed the vid up, but Holla Forums is raiding it hard

Well, when you finally consider coming to reason remember that our side has the better hair and music

I don't see any point. People will like/dislike based on who they support and if they think they won or lost

Because Holla Forums is partially normies and can probably change the video ratings with their sheer dedicated autism

Destiny knew what he was doing going in, and he made good anti-idpol points. But Jons fans ontop of the Holla Forums guys.

I don't expext the like bar to look too good, even if Destiny was right on 90% of what he said.

I still believe in ethnocentrism and tribalism so until there's suitable reason not to belief in the pride of one's own people I think I'm just gonna call bullshit. But holy shit some white people really know how to ruin the fun with all their infighting and ignorance.

Honestly that's a fantastic like/dislike ratio for a video that's been raided

Arent you a little bit old to still belive in fairytales faggot?

Read Stirner

I don't expect to convince you now, but I suspect if you really, really ruminated on the issue and actually thought deep down about how many white people you actually like, you'd realize that they're not your friends and certainly not your "tribe". I'm always surprised by the people who feel unity with white people or or whatever other race their in and then hate 80% of the people they meet.

Honestly, go down to a hockey game or a college football game and mingle with the average white fans. Talk to the boneheaded kids at the community college. Are they really "your people"? What do you have in common with them? Why would you indebt yourself to random assholes for any reason, no matter what color they were?

The Holla Forums trolls in the comments are pretty good too.

Stormfags and libertarians tell you to care for your own tribe
Liberals tell you to care for everybody
We're just telling you to care for yourself and your interests

Read Stirner

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Isnt the egoist thing to do is care about what you want to care about not just only yourself?

The egoist thing is that your interests lie in working with others when it benefits you.

What a shitty text colour

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Ummm, yes?, Hitler was not to happy about other races inhabiting germany was he?

yeah, last time I checked, they were confidant about their supremacy.

youtube doesn't ban people nearly as much as reddit does. It takes me about ten minutes on any reddit just speaking my normal opinions to get banned, I can say GTKRWN as many times as I want on youtube and nothing has ever happened.

It's literally a euphemism

Yes

this thing played in your job?

youtube.com/watch?v=v5Tc4mXodrI

There's just a very persistent contingent of people with Pepe or merchant avatars and names like ShekelGoldstein, both on YouTube and on twitter who just never stop posting. They're like an autistic SWAT team who can raid a video at a moment's notice.

Thoses other analogies are also retarded tough

Grow or die is an economic neccessity under capitalism. Migrants are a tool like any other for the bourgeoisie. If you want Porky to stop importing migrants, you either need to remove Porky or remove the native population's labor rights so employing them become profitable again.

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Only slightly above average tbh

Integrating google plus was a fucking mistake.

Don't forget the fucking anime avatars

either way, Destiny is a beta faggot who makes me cringe everytime he does his little sing-song fast-talking "ww-w-w-w–wwwhhatt??? no it's because the black people *talks to fast to even understand* and i love big black cock! ww-w-w-w-what??? r-r-r-r-r-rracist!!!!"
jesus christ i want to punch this faggot in the mouth

Integrating social media into any type of platform is fucking retarded. The Independent here in the UK used to be integrated with Disqus, and many people would register just to comment on articles. There were people exposing economics lies, outing very real conspiracy theories and government collusion, and generally BTFOing the state and the media at every turn. Now they've integrated social media it's just right wing retards, boomers, and shills throwing out "witty" zingers, gotchas and falsehoods at a rate nobody can challenge.

S-slow down!

my grandmother was a wielder and then inspector in the naval shipyards during the war. not everyone has the bourgeoisie luxury of becoming a cellist.

literal third world ideologies.

That whole site is gold.

Nice.

HOLD THE FUCK ON!

lmao, looks like you liberals got fucking triggered by jon "aryan" tron. We are Holla Forums are laughing at you.

Reminder there is nothing wrong with private property.

We aren't liberals. JonTron just earned himself a spot on the wall though.

>>>/2015/

HOL' UP DAWG

OK libby

kek

There is also nothing wrong with giving currency in exchange for labor

Was that how you were conceived?
Spooky as fuck, stop haunting this thread.

Jontron is a comedian.
He needs to learn to swim both the right and left crowd.

Humour is not one sided.

I know you're upset friend, but you can't stay here.

If you aren't liberals then you're either:
/liberty/
or
Holla Forums

Communism needs to reevaluate itself. It is not left, it is right wing.

Overt racism and white nationalism are unacceptable.

this is some impressive autism

Exactly, you're authoritarian.

Just an alternative right wing ideology.

You can't stay here, you have to go back.

What's with all these streamers embracing white nationalism lately?

lol, nice

idpol spooked scum.

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I'm not idpol

I browse both boards. I see this from the outside looking in.
And that is how I see the social-political memes.

I think Holla Forums and Holla Forums suffer from normies with not intellectual capacity.

They don't even understand memes.

no*

derp

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Is that your opinion?

This is so low quality I can't even be bothered to find a pretending to be retarded paint comic

Rule 1 should've applied to all boards

Also thievery means to deprive one of their property and retain it as their own property without negotiation or an agreement to transfer said property. Property is a memetic mechanism that infers restriction of matter to something - i.e. a person's hamburger is their property because they are the ones interacting with that matter. Property has to exist as it is the result of something interacting with matter.

Property = theft is an oxymoron or a paradox, the concepts are not mutually exclusive. Theft could not happen without the existence of property.
And without the concept of property, there would be no mechanism for one to interact with matter and distribute it, etc. You need property for productive purposes. You need the concept to pragmatically function with other people and with the objects you interact with.

/triggered

Idpol is contagious I guess.

It's not bait.

The right has retarded stormfaggots.
The left has retarded socialist fedoras and sjws.

The MAGA hat is the new fedora.

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You have to be blind to not question jewish motives.

Reminder r/The_Donald hid the downvote button with CSS.

Holla Forums and Holla Forums are two sides of the same coin. We are merely architects with differing opinions.
Normies are shit on both sides. That's why they're normies. They don't think like us.

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Dead Right Wingers!

Woo~

They did it so their posts always show up on the reddit frontpage.

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Well you pushed whites far enough away that you are now the party of non-whites. What's the next step of your master plan?

Good. Fuck reddit and their gay little votes.

The Alt-Right are an ugly lot.

Clinton got more votes. Nobody likes Clinton, she's a cunt.

Jon is getting BTFO basically everywhere and unlike PewDiePie he doesn't have millions to fall back on.

Don't forget most people that voted were old people lol

That's a serious case of narcissism.

Nazis (or racialists in general) create a fantasy of "white people" or "black people" etc. completely disconnected from any real, actual people. Nazis abandon rationalism and fully embrace the spook. That's why no amount of data or logic will convince them, but a personal experience will. There was a video some weeks ago of some American southener who was a part of some right-wing militia. A (brown) muslim gave him a lift and invited him for dinner with his family, so he decided that perhaps muslims aren't invading America to destroy it from the inside.
Literally feels>reals but that's what we have to deal with.

You guys really don't realize that being maligned in the media is a badge of honor? Have you been sleeping under a rock for the last two years?

I've heard Sargon is defending him. Someone should go find the proofs so that Sargon can stop being a fat lying cunt hiding behind liberalism.

I think ultimately it comes down to ego, but also that want for their own "home".
Two different cooks with a different cake they like to make.

Open your kitchen sink and drink the bleach. It will only take a moment and it will end both of our suffering.

So is the far-left.

So Holla Forums is just a youtube comment section now? You got me pal

No, you're just a dumb fuck who types and argues like a voat user.

PewDiePie told the far right to fuck off

Jontron didn't

Pewdiepie just said 'hitler did nothing wrong' in one of his latest videos kek, you think he isn't on our side?

Face it, you can't stand that for all your bluster about being revolutionaries you're just shills for the current establishment. No one is more idpol than Holla Forums, with the subtext that you don't idpol for whites. What revolutionary thinkers you lot are!

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You're autistic in the medical sense.

We're classists, not idpolers

You know, I was worried that Holla Forums was getting a bit big but if this is the best you can do I can go back to considering you irrelevant.

PewDiePie or Felix Chelberg (Jewish) said hes not a Nazi.

Jontron when full autism idpol mode

Good, now your nerves are calmed you can leave forever.

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You really are autistic if you think that he's a literal Nazi

Also, you wouldn't be batting an eye if Holla Forums posted that

Come on this is no different than the lefties crying out against dumb bullshit.

Holla Forums think just like SJWs, no surprise here.

Who are you quoting?

Wait are you talking about Jontron or the retard ITT who thinks pewdiepie is a nazi?

Read the damn thread fools.

Holla Forums are a bunch of meme wizards that like seeing the world burn.
They just chose an alternative method.

I see nothing wrong with this.

I did, did you?

Apparently this thread is full of SJWs then. See:

I did, did you?

private property=/simply having. it is a legally enforced muh privilege.

Actually, it's both legally and non-legally enforced (that is by human law - not the laws of the universe).
By the laws of the universe - property can be private and public without human legislation. By eating your cake you are making that cake yours.

Property is an unavoidable universal law.

Man he is fucked. He can't even use the irony excuse since it wasn't a joke.

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This must be why no one wants a long term business relationship with him. He is probably way more vocal about this bull shit off camera.

Boy they are really trying to condition Holla Forums away from Jontron.

Jontron is a comedian. I think politics is not really his ground.

lol what

So much for the tolerant left!

I wouldn't care if he was just making edgy racist jokes. However he wasn't doing a comedy routine. He was actually attempting to defend and promote racist ideology. That's totally different. You don't have to be a SJW to know that is fucking unacceptable.

If only he had "debated" one of our guys instead of a less-idpoly-than-average liberal.

I haven't actually seen his video.
And I don't like the ism you just used.

Pewdiepie is doing videos talking about 'Level 25 Jews' getting shot by a character he made to look like Hitler.

He doesn't give a single shit anymore

You're autistic.

Another thing, I'm suspicious about his switch. Him and pewdiepie switched overnight and I'm not sure why.

I think something is going on behind the scenes here.

You're blind. You are as easily conditioned as any tame dog.
The difference between me and you is I am aware of it.

Did you think 4chan was a nazi playground 10 years ago when everyone made 9/11 and Hitler jokes too?

Ok Holla Forums, this thread is definitely a conspiracy.

Why is this fat fuck defending Whites?

He isn't even white. His last name is Jafari, literally a Persian last name.

pure ideology

Also nobody has been able to find the source of these statistics yet.

You have no idea how twisted people are.
They would do this shit.

Of course, once you see that - you start to slide and question everything you see.

Why is he defending whites? Probably because his family came from a worse culture than white countries have, and he sees it is under attack, like all people who have moved to the right over the past years, it's a reaction.

Damn, when will Holla Forums ever be wrong?

Right, why do you think it is that my argument wasn't "look at this data" and more "go actually talk to the people you think you like".

Even if it has a source.

How the fuck did he know that?

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It's like someone is telling him to say shit.

Everyone above a 7th grade education level could follow along just fine, dumb Holla Forumsroach

That's where your mistake lies.

4chan? He's on youtube, his name, his income, he's already gone through a media campaign and decided to put out a video of Hitler smashing Jews up, he obviously does not give a shit, I didn't say he was a Nazi, he is part of a reaction though, just like JonTron.

I was expanding on your point, no need to go on the defensive.

holy shit he owned Jontron

So you agree the right wing is all authoritarian? Can't wait till you tell your autistic lolbert friends.

I did, it doesn't need further comment, 4chan is user ffs, Youtube is not, his whole career is his reputation, 4chan is not.

It's fucking retarded.

Not defensive comr8. Just connecting a point that you probably already got but could be useful to lurking Holla Forumskiddies

That's not the point I was trying to make.
I'm saying some people make that kind of jokes to seem edgy without believing in that shit.

Analyzing this shit is a good way of being prepared to get to the common person if you ask me

Yes, some do, this is a world famous case on every MSM tv news show nearly, worldwide, about anti-semitism. This isn't remotely comparable to 4chan edge ffs.

I find that libertarian position to go "authoritarian" in times of stress to be more of a turd position.

The turd position has the ability to restructure itself regularly.

Jon tron is fucking Iranian you retard

But it's not absolute.

It's literally the same thing. Just edgy humor.

Average income for his age bracket is around 30k/year.

It's a totally made up figure.

Violence in poor white communities were almost the same as poor black communities. White communities actually had more crime than black communities.

Source: Bureau of Justice bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/hpnvv0812.pdf

fair enuff bruv

Go and make a thread on 4chan's Holla Forums to spread the truth, user. Oh, and why don't you write a book, too?

t. shill for the sitting president of the largest country in the world

We hate both Clinton AND Trump you stupid faggot, as well as all the alphabet soup agencies. Go lick boots somewhere else

same graph. for suburban and rural.

again white communities had more crime.

That's because it's extremely dumb.

Sorry, my feefees protect me from these Jewish facts.

stop using that word unless you know what it means.

Fuck you I would love to liosten to The Internationale while I'm working. Not only are you a faggot, but you also have irredeemable shit taste. I bet you listen to band music. What a faggot!

Just get the fuck outta here
>>>Holla Forums

Found the Holla Forumsyp. It's time to go back, my friend.

Uh.

Holla Forums please refrain from using words you do not understand.

This is based on victims of crime though, right?

I.Q. below 50. Sad!

Fascinating

The "0" is a typo.

Why don't you?
Don't come crying when they blow you the fuck out about your unusual right wing abomination.

Communism is like that toothy baby with an unusually large head that struggles to breathe - things are missing and something went horribly wrong.
Natsoc is far more natural. It knows of spooks, but realizes that unless you interpret things relative to the universe by human perception - you won't get anywhere but into horrible loops of thought that ignores the environment.

The left is a harder nut to crack - because it's nihilism, it's apathy, it's purely based on impulsive needs of the individual.
It's an ants nest.

tl;dr: feels > reals

Nice projection but I don't think they give a shit about jon tron or any e-celebs.
Hell they still hate alex jones.

Without feels you cannot sense the reals.

Holla Forums had like ten threads about this stream in the first day alone lol

What projection? You're free to find anyone on this board who cites any youtube personality as a significant ideological influence or basis for their beliefs. Also, we're not the ones with people like molycuck on our side. Literally invented delusion on your part.

Cognitive dissonance.
Communists cannot stand being associated with nazies and hitler.
Just like how Israel cannot stand being associated with apartheid africa.

The only actual association is that commies kicked nazi ass during WWII.

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neat samefagging

go masturbate about your völkish mysticism somewhere else

Basing a system on feelings is fucking stupid. Hitler was literally a right-wing SJW.

A lot of retards believe in the horseshoe theory.

yes. it's not accurate, but it's a more reliable measure of actual violence in communities, because most crimes go unsolved.

Yeah but those people aren't usually simultaneously far right. This dipshit is literally taking the position that "right wing" is an insult while shilling his far right wing ideology. He's a special kind of retarded.

Dude, how many times do you have to see the Marxist SJWs arrogantly distort facts and push outright lies, to get that facts are irrelevant in this WAR.

You did get that you´re in the middle of a war, right?
Propaganda for now, but the shooting is going to start any moment now.

And the responses were always the same.

I think people try to advertise their shit on Holla Forums. Cashing in on a movement.

They don't fucking do it either. When it happens people respond
just like this board.

It can be done, but only through effort and science. Not through feels alone.
Feels helps produce that science though.

pic related

Fucking delusional, a third of the threads were filled.

I'm not fucking Holla Forums just an observer of what I think is a misconstruction of the right and the left.
Frankly, I don't see the left and right as anything but a d&c meme so the elite can control the masses and distract them with "the right" if left or "the left" if right.
It's there to allow this ponzi scheme to not be affected by the ideology of the masses.

Logic requires feelings.

Hopefully JonTron will rethink his beliefs instead of becoming more of a reactionary after getting his ass figuratively kicked.

By their own stats whites only commit half the alleged victimisations which are by far the largest number of victims. When it is an inter-racial victimization, the Black on white rate is almost at 90% black perp.

Yeah I'm sure the elite wants people to believe in "the left", something that wants them dead. Great idea on their part.

I couldn't even find a thread just recently tbh.
So that whole "promoted on Holla Forums" argument goes out the window.

Too bad I'm not talking about that.

Have you not seen the MSM? They still demonise the right because porky pays them to.
If ANTIFA or anarchy controls the left that opinion will quickly change.

But you were talking about it.

see
Are you just trying to fuck with me now?

Yes, the mainstream media is constantly pushing "kill the rich" propaganda. I forgot about that, friend.

rip

No it never says that.
It always targets the left or the right.

Their indirectly getting the people to fight one another.

I know, I was being sarcastic because that guy is fucking stupid if he thinks the MSM appeals to anything further left than centrist liberal lmao

What source are you using?

Well said, so you'll agree to put aside our differences and help us take down the rich then?

I think I saw red just then after some other fucking retarded poster.

Yes.

Join Holla Forums it's bigger.

Reminder that democrats, Holla Forums's cherrypicked SJW's, CNN etc. are not left in the sense of Holla Forums

YouTube doesn't update those numbers in real time. It also happens with avatars.

I don't think joining a place that divides people by race, sexuality, religion, etc. is a good idea.

At least the left is fractured only because of ideological differences.

Holla Forums is not all of the left either.

What link are you using then?

It's right in the middle of the screenshot.

I wanted a link. Was too lazy to google.

Great! Mind if I bring along my black and arab working class friends?

Right because "all within the state, nothing outside the state, and no one against the state" doesn't seem to imply submission at all.

There are literally no bigger than fascists. MLs and tankies have a hard on for the state too but at least they want it to be a state controlled by the masses not big daddy dictator who will give you his cummies.

Only if they can take the banter.

They won't.

the right WANTS to divide people

meanwhile the left being fractured is one of the main critiques by leftists themselves

The only thing Holla Forums cares about is memes at this point.

Put it this way, multiculturalism is likely a tool of subversion to divide the country.
They pushed it when people started to get angry at porky.

And that's why you keep losing.

Dude I can go on the board right now and post about how to help the current US president stay in power. There's no "take down the rich establishment" unity culture there no matter how badly you want to advertise it as such.

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LOL

Europe is a continent-sized haunted house.

Some people from Holla Forums started to complain about the lack of scrutiny of trump.
But at the same time he has done a lot of work. I think we need to wait and see what he does to the establishment.

And there needs to be figurehead for the movement. He's the chance we have. We don't know what he's up to, jews and bankers don't know what he's up to.
We need to persuade him to be on our side.

We need to make him our puppet.

Towards what? The only consistently "anti-rich" class war position is anti-capitalism. I see literally no consistent critiques of capitalism whatsoever on Holla Forums, just the idea that rich people are bad because they tell not rich people to engage in certain culture they don't like.

And I couldn't give less of a shit about culture, so I see no draw.

All political beliefs are memes.
That's why propaganda is needed.

Difference is - Holla Forums is still good at it.

The universe has laws user.

ftfy

"You can ignore politics, but politics will not ignore you."

All you guys have are le banter and le meme war. This is why you're a fucking joke.

educating yourself in twitter and blog posts isn't reading.

For starters he's decreasing the ethnic tension in the state and making it conform more to his movement.
He's also looking into spies, subversion and corruption in the country, trying to get rid of it.
He'll soon find a roadblock with debt. That is when he'll make the attack on the fed and the banking syndicate.

He's also destroying the MSM - the mouthpiece for the elite.

Either you're with him, or against him. He made that clear.
But I want to observe him more first.

That's a nice meme there.
Bit of a hypocrite?

Spooks exist if you see them.
But they also need a degree of relation to the universe and the environment we're in. Politics should adapt to the environment. Not say "no that rock doesn't exist".

What meme you fucking retard

Can you scientifically prove that without resorting to a circular reasoning of using science itself?

t. Paul Feyerabend

Fair points on at least half of those, though of course the idea that he himself isn't corrupt and a gigantic porky himself is laughable. I see no reason to actively support him when half of what I like about his presidency is how much he's fomenting dissent and unrest in the working class against him. The whole point is he's making people made against the system (him).

The alphabet soup agencies and these other agents of corruption aren't an unnatural corrupting factor in an otherwise healthy state. The state is a diseased growth fed through the system of capitalism, and all sections of it need to be brought down. Not just the ones you don't see on TV.

t. Not an argument

Does one have to read how to swim before swimming?

Do you exist? Can you see the screen in front of your eyes?
If so - that means there must be laws of this universe that allows you to do such a thing.

Do I?
Can you prove I don't? And how would I know that I do?
user…

Also I just got banned for saying a few positive points on Trump.

That just proves that this whole board is designed to divide Holla Forums.
Apparently he doesn't do anything positive for both boards and he can't possibly do anything positive for all people, not just the right.

Well you typed that, so yes you do.

…but not only are you still here, but you're being engaged with honestly by several posters. Sounds like a made up complaint.

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How do you know I'm not a figure of your imagination? Nigga do you even know about Descartes' Demon?

It's called proxies.
I wish I capped it now. Apologies.

Besides the point.
Both boards have the same enemy - the elite.
Both can argue about bullshit later. Both can both scrutinize trump.
I want both to collaborate and start digging and naming names. I want to create images that link personalities to one another and their actions.
Trump is no doubt within that web, but you also have to remember that that is probably why he's tried to become president. Furthermore he probably made those connections to get inside their little space.

Look I don't think this is the thread to discuss whether I exist or not.
The fact is - according to what I see - there is a universe.
I know that's only the rabbit's tail as he scurries down the rabbit hole.

Lol, you do know that the one that popularized the third way was Clinton?

kek

People have begun to argue her own chess moves.

No ones quite sure what her end goal was. You look at things prima facie and it's bad. But then you consider the possible movement she might be constructing.
I found her "act" during the election to be rather obvious.

How do you know your empirical devices aren't lying to you?

Sure it is

Ok, but you still haven't told me what your definition of "elite" is. At least Holla Forums KNOWS what porky is and what he does, and defines it pretty well using capital. But it seems to me that the idea of "elite" you're fighting is nebulous and ill defined. Can you tell me, succinctly, what makes an elite an elite?

Without looking at things you could never deduce anything.
But why is this even relevant to the thread?

Basically that. I don't know why Holla Forums hates that meme.

I'd say he "fucked him up" if he managed to refute any of the shit he was saying. This felt more like a heated discussion, lots of feelings and opinions. Destiny has way more experience in stuff like this than Jontron so it doesn't surprise me he had a better showing, if anything I'm more disappointed that Destiny didn't address some of the bullshit Jontron has bought into directly, also that he's not sticking up for the guy, at all, now that his rabid, lefty fans are going after him. The guy goes well outside his comfort zone to appear on your fucking platform and you can't even go to bat for him after the fact? Fucking dickhead, tbh.

Also, why is Holla Forums just as embarrassing as Holla Forums? Could you two just fucking kill each other already?

An elite is a broad definition. Ultimately it's at the discretion of the people who overthrow them.

I fear many good people will be thrown as well - so we can either do that or judge the individuals through a court system.
That system needs purging, there are so many connections to say the obvious porkies and mr Soros.
It's either gonna be the slow process we're seeing, or it will be a bang.

kind of sad to see JonTron like this, I really liked him when I was younger. Now he's retarded.

Sad.

They're a tsundere couple.

they be genociding us in tha comments and shit :'(

Because everyone who uses imageboards are autistic.

Unfortunately, no. It would probably just end in a stalemate unless one side gets the superior radical centrists on their side.

Well in that case I'll probably continue to use both and keep "raiding" Holla Forums to convince them to be wary of capitalism. I agree with you that supporting Trump is no worse than supporting Clinton (though I really have trouble feeling camaraderie with anyone who genuinely supports either as anything other than a "lesser of two evils" situation or for accelerationism). Ultimately if you agree the system is broken, then you know for a fact that putting a different figurehead won't change anything (and that's even ignoring the blatant corruption and corporatism practiced by Trump)

…which is exactly why you need a better defined enemy than just a nebulous "elite". We're judging it as those who wield capital. If you have any objection with that definition, you will have to offer an alternate one of your own.

But you assume you are really seeing a rock, assuming the rock exists, assuming your eyes are real, and assuming there's a hammer. How do you even know it's not all an illusion?

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evil_demon

what's this debate fetishism from autists on the internet. who can honestly watch a two hour argument between two plebs with a webcam

It's insightful into the thought processes behind ideologies for the average holder of that ideology

I've been doing the same.
It's much easier to kill one dictator than a whole syndicate of crims.

I agree, but how deep will that threshold be.
No that's Holla Forumss definition really too. That said, I am worried about the lack of digging into trump on Holla Forums.
In fact, I think it's better to that off a public forum. The guy will have problems, it's about the need to present those issues.
If he's an utter rat though then Holla Forums will need to be told. I think it's too early to tell.

My mistake, it's actually a purple dragon and I am a wizard that can expand his penis to 2 ft long.
You must see with your eyes and deduce with the language and concepts you have. There needs to be agreed thresholds of what exists and what shouldn't. Otherwise nothing would be known. No fruit from the tree of knowledge will be eaten.

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This reads like a giant "I want it to be true so it is" you haven't actually proved or disproved anything.
Again, you assume there is anything to know at all

I have a feeling this video will just piss me off because both are retarded people

It's obvious prima facie.
What else can I say?
I assume I am me.

Look I know what you are thinking, but then you step back and go - "well how can I feed myself if I don't exist?" and that train of thought becomes useless to the pragmatic tasks and prima facie interpretation of our world.

If it's obvious then why can't you disprove it?
That doesn't mean it's true
pragmatism doesn't prove anything. The demon has tricked you. Wake up, Neo.

He is half Iranian and half Hungarian, please inform yourself (Or literally read the thread) before posting. Thanks.
Wonderful English skills you've got there
Also, we aren't liberals.

There is literally no language with a scope to cover that jurisdiction. That's why.
You're talking about things beyond the perception of humanity. We can't possibly see it or prove it. Not in our current forms anyway.

hahah oh my fucking god

Is the "outside of the matrix" the real matrix created for people to think they're in the "real world"?

Sure there is, didn't you read the article?
But if it does turn out to be true it will be true whether or not we can test for it, no? And if that's true how can it be beyond the scope?

It's a thought experiment. What is right wing and left wing.
It's an abstract meme. It can be whatever people want it to be.

But it didn't cover it. It just used more linguistic memes to cover it.
What you're talking about is not capable of being defined. It is outside the imagination.
That doesn't mean it's not there. You just can't describe it 100%.

All you can do is estimate it.

Now here's the thing - how do you estimate?
Through trial and error.
Through tradition.

Also, through language.

Also what's a good descartes text?
I'm curious to see how he describes "it".

A demon tricking you into believing objective reality exists. I just explained it.
Again you're assuming you can fit the scientific method into this framework to test for it but if it is an illusion that means your scientific method means nothing. That's even assuming the scientific method even works without being reduced to using itself, it's own framework, to explain things outside itself.

Iran means "land of the Aryans" so clearly he's fine.

marxists.org/reference/archive/descartes/1639/meditations.htm

Like a prisoner who dreams that he is free, starts to suspect that it is merely a dream, and wants to go on dreaming rather than waking up, so I am content to slide back into my old opinions; I fear being shaken out of them because I am afraid that my peaceful sleep may be followed by hard labour when I wake, and that I shall have to struggle not in the light but in the imprisoning darkness of the problems I have raised.

…eventually he goes on to condlude that since God is so powerful and loving he wouldn't allow a demon to trick him. What a cop-out.

So what would you trust:
Science and language?
Or "demon did it"

One is a broader estimation than the other.
What's important is the compass point to the truth. The amount of dots that are connected.

Who said god was nice?
You obey because you're at his mercy.

Again your assuming this worldy scientifi method is true because it seems good to you. Intuitionalism is what you're striving at right now and I don't have to tell you, reals (assuming they exist) > feels.

Hell I'm not even saying there is a demon tricking you or me or anyone else. I'm just arguing that science has its limits. science is very limited. But that's fine with me.

Not me, I didn't say he was nice.

Good.
Because we're like fish in a fishbowl.

And I'm saying I already know that as another nihilist, but also a conflicted optimist.
A mess.

I know that feel. Sometimes reality doesn't feel real to me. I feel like this whole existence is something that shouldn't have happened.

Black Americans make up 13 percent of the population and yet have almost the same crime rate as a 77 percent majority? Seems to me like one is over-represented in terms of criminal activity.
Maybe your graphs are a little misleading comrade…

It shouldn't have happened.
That's why people believe in God or Science.

Science is a more elaborated extension of religion.
They want to know why. Then you see things like:

And suddenly you become very very paranoid of the world.

Holla Forums misreading data part 1204315

Holy shit this fucking board.

Kill yourselves you fucking commie larpers.

Proportionality of the entire population or per race? Since the graph doesn't specify whether it's per 1000 of the total population or per group, why don't you post your source?

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This sceptical reading of the Meditations is only the orthodox one. There is also an epistemological/metaphysical way of reading Meditations.

the source is literally in the post with the first graph, how much do you need me to hold your hand dumb Holla Forumsyp

Are you assuming facts fit your narrative or are you trying to avoid giving your source?

I think it is implied it is per race. The data is highlighting race, it seems a little nonsensical to say "there was a 48.5 per 1000 victimization rate among blacks in randomly sampled population that included 500 black people, 10 white people, 60 asians etc."

But it's still kind of unclear tbh what the significance of the data is, as far as I can see (not a statistician or criminologist). It means that violent victimization rates are higher among whites than blacks, but who are the violent criminals? It's possible they are repeat offenders. There could be a single gang of 100 hispanic men committing all of these violent crimes. Unlikely obviously, but the point is it doesn't actually say that much about who is actually committing crimes. But it does say that the middle income and rich seem to have to worry about violent crime at similar rates.

*Teleports behind you*

See you in the Gulag comrade x3

And that would be…?

Holla Forums raids and mostly because nobody really gives a damn about the alt-right beside the altright themselves.

Who did America fight in WW2, again?

you under estimate how many alt-cuck there are out there.
beside, most of his fan base are asocial teenage boys.
if anything, he's pandering to his viewers.

>Source: Bureau of Justice bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/hpnvv0812.pdf
how braindead are you

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its common knowledge that the majority of Holla Forumsype are actually self-hating non-whites (or hating other non whites).

see Geert Wilders.

does somone have that screencap of Holla Forumsype trolling HWNDU ?

this one?

Ja

This is a quote from Olli Koistinen, not sure which book though.

His subreddit is tearing him apart but I agree with you. Thank God this alt right fad will end sooner or later

His parents are immigrants and one of his best friends' wife is an immigrant. I wonder the mental gymnastics he needs to perform to reconcile that.

But they're not the ones financially backing him.
Jon has been doing sponsored videos for a while. Those will stop. YouTube can stop monetizing his videos. It's a dumb move.

same mental gymnasics the average trumptards do.

Jon Tron didn't respect the 7 Churches of Asia.

youtube.com/watch?v=cq9_8cbCdR0

this guy's incoherent rambling is on Jon Tron's ideological level lol

Thread theme youtube.com/watch?v=h9JArvEJ64M

the second pic needs to be named "nifty flat" or "stunning beach house" or "hi-tech company" in order to work.

YouTube comments, DON'T have votes, that's the problem.
In fact it operates a lot like chans where replies are what bring comments to the top, this change in policy was heavily cruticised when it was implemented and is why TotalBiscuit removed comment from his videos.
Google deliberately made Youtube comments a flame war by making the "controversial" reddit function the default.

Watching Holla Forums cucks be reduced to shills for retarded memelords like Jon and Pewds is pretty damn funny.

this is probably the most hypocritical cartoon he's made sinc ehe's the one who's shitting on various leftist orgs constantly

Pewdiepie isn't a nazi. They're not defending him, their trying to meme the most popular youtuber in the world to become "their guy". Jon Trom is not even close to the level of pewdiepie. Jon Tron is a bush-league bitch compared to Pewds, who, and I will say this again, is not a nazi and we should be pointing out that it is the alt-right community that is manipulating the media to make this impression very deliberately.

GET DESTINY TO DEBATE ROO.

Done for? The dude decided to sperg out his most uneducated opinions on his public platforms with (crypto-)reactiony acquaintances "ironically" because he was having a hard time with IRL stuff. He's not done for; he just traded 4 million normies in for what will ultimately be at most a couple hundred thousand basement reactionary Holla Forums-type dweebs. He'll be fine, just far from as luxiouriously.

I've heard some sources suggest the people are NormalBoots might oust him for ruining the brand, but that's another dent his new autistic following will still patch up.

Pewdiepie was just making jokes for his edgy 12 year old viewers tho, which I can kinda respect. Jafari was straight up brainwashed by Holla Forumscucks on social media, likely after a certain Internet-wide shitstorm over video games and the populist right's subsequent exploitation of it.

Catering to Holla Forums is like catering to Tumblr, it's extremely easy to gain them as an audience but there is no real payoff in the end because both demographics are people that are dead inside and lack any hobbies outside of Internet drama and anime.

you forgot to talk about ads and sponsors.
now that he's classified as controversial he won't get any ads doesn't matter how many views he get, his channel will not make any money

His rubreddit (r/jontron) is tearing him apart.

Basically tells you that aut-rightists can shill effectively on a platform like Youtube that has little protection against duplicate voting and raiding, but not on plebbit (where is real fans are anyways).

Yeah, but they have NEETbux to spend on the testosterone cream he'll be selling on his blog soon.

Sargon's been worse for years, and he gets by on the few really autistic sponsors there still are, and I just mentioned testosterone cream but I shit you not idiots like Davis Aurini can get by financially on selling Androplus. Jontron will be just as pathetic, but still have a larger following, meaning he'll do fine shilling for something pathetic alright.

4 fucking million sub ?! you gotta be shitting me, why? how ?

there must be a violent response to this just like there was oner with milo and spencer

we cannot allow normalization of such beliefs

This.

Screaming autistically at video games with some nuance and wit will get you there. You can sell anything on the market.

Shame he didn't exclusively scream autistically at them extra hard, as he could have PewDiePie level subs or least be in the 10 million with that.

Stop shilling this idea ffs.

Yeah, not to mention the fact that you do one wrong move and it's KIKE JEW FAGGOT /NOTOURGUY/!!!

Yeah it won't be really bad for him until YouTube demoitizes him. hiw much of the Internet was sustained by j-list ads for what seems like 15 years. Also I don't expect him to lose 3 million subscribers. You'll note that Epic Rec Line contains to units. That's because it's a dent. We should expect this stuff to sort itself out.

Shouldn't expect*

if you look at a sub tracker he's only lost like 10k in the last 2 days?

not him but as far as my job is concerned -
thing is, i signed a contract. i chose it, for various reasons. I developed some skills, marketed myself and opened some doors. some got shut, others i closed myself. i use my money to pay to live and better myself through further education, to further my position under my own power.

i can choose other things.i think this would be much harder, practically speaking, under planned economies under government control.

Destiny would destroy Unruhe. Listen to this:
youtu.be/6Qz2kq4PUZc?t=2m

The fact is, Roo does exactly what Lauren Southern does: he shoots off statistics like "99% of AmeriKKKans own a fridge, therefore they can't be considered proletariat" without understanding what those stats actually mean in the larger context. I, for one, would very much love to see this debate.

Which they won't buy because they don't actually care about him. They are simply narcissists that need everyone else to agree with their retarded beliefs.

I don't because the roo is a hilarious idiot and I don't want him to stop being one.

Probably not many since he seems to cotton onto a "cultural" view of white supremacy. He has a few dissonant ideas about race realism but the meat of what he thinks is that "western", "European" and "white" culture is the best. It's really easy to arrive at this conclusion because it's implicit in liberalism and the xenophobic aspects of anti-communist fervor.

Roo being a hilarious idiot is why I want to see this shit.

Do you really wanna see him crushed though? An intelligent liberal is an experience no one is prepared for.

Eh, Milo and Spencer are actual ideologues, which is why the are a problem. Jon is not a threat unless he starts hanging out and talking about politics more than about video games.

INCLUDE ME IN THE SCREENCAP!!

Yes, because the narcissistic rage Roo will give off will probably kill him.

what i don't get is that the guy is Iranian.
i'm like dafuq?

Posts like these are indistinguishable from satire.

Well done either way.

Anarchism itself is a satire already.

But m8, a loaf of bread in Ghana is like, the equivalent of 7 bucks.

He is an inconsistent idiot from what he presented. He thinks white, western culture is the best but couldn't bring himself to outright say it is because white people are superior because of some unstated reason, either embarrassment or because he doesn't believe it. A part of the reason he kept getting cornered was because he couldn't answer simple questions like "why should there be a white majority?" And "what are white values?". He just internalized weird Holla Forums talking points with no basis. All he could say was "white/western culture deserves to be preserved" and "bringing in too many nonwhites dilutes western values". When destiny said "what about assimilated 2nd or 3rd gen immigrants" or "why do you think Mexicans can't have 'western values'" Jon would just chuckle nervously and say "you are living in a fantasy man"

Honestly everyone on youtube who gets ad revenue in the thousands for doing nothing should be like

I don't know

Lynched or something.

It's not the vidoo that's offensive, it's the free money google throws to screaming man children with opinions about the sequel to jurassic park

How did you work that one out?

At a fucking loss!
I think an executive or two should at least be publicly hung.

it's true

extremism negatively correlates with attractiveness

Then why is /r9k/ full of centrists?

Damn, cameras were shitty back then. A week to take a picture that looks like a drawing anyways?

surprisingly, i agree with that

Deez charts.

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I think we should really boycott this piece of garbage.

You can't boycott someone who thousands of dopes watch who gets money from Google from the dopes

You can only curse Google for allowing an incredibly affluent job market for screaming people trying to imitate Ebert in all aspects of life at hundreds of times less the quality with none of the originality.

Google, youtube ad revenue, they are more guilty than Holla Forums in infantalizing politics into a shouting shit fit by giving voice to people who do it, when they're not talking about video games of course.

or just assassinate him

Im sorry. Do you actually watch this horseshit? I feel bad for you. Your'e gonna need a brain enema.

He even knows he dun fucked up.

JonTron is Persian, he can't be racist :^)

I want the edgy reddit radlibs to go.

i remember aciddentaly stumbling on to some "democracy now" clip some months before the US elections, the clip was some retarded shit saying Trump is a fascist.
anyways pretty much all the comments where from jontron fans who said they had stumbled on to the clip throught jontrons "liked videos" playlists.
so i assumed he was a liberal.
makes you think

Making this response here to keep all the vidya eceleb shit in one place:
Even if it was for the dumbest possible reasons, I'm taking sadistic pleasure out of knowing Colin Moriarty is out of a job, which I rarely do. Even if under normal circumstances his joke about IWD wouldn't be bad, It's one of those things like Don Imus/ Dr. Laura, where the statement itself isn't totally reprehensible, but it reminds everyone "Christ, this asshole's STILL around? Now's a good a time as ever to get rid of them, I guess."

For my money, I think that GG stuff was primed by the fiasco of the presses reaction ME3 backlash, and people like to forget that the right-winger Moriarty basically made himself the face of the press's position, because it contradicts the current narrative that vidya journalism is being subject to left-wing subversion.

The fact that he's not an open ideologue is exactly what makes it easier for people to end up swayed by him. You can point at Milo and say "right-wing ideologue" right off the bat, and that immediately cuts chunk of potential listeners off from him. If I was an asshole in charge of Breitbart, or some other powerful right-wing institution, and legitimately believed that politics is downstream from culture, I'd promote as many "apolitical" people in non-political fields as I could.

lmao Nazis are a fucking satire of themselves

Apparently our Nazi friend forgot the millions of, you know, working women who didn't quit.

"I quit my job because of cultural Marxist music" is he new "humans vs orcs."

Holla Forums are the retards who keep on giving.

"Sir Mixalot made me relinquish my duties at the olive garden"

I eagerly await frog twitter saying they always liked just like they did Pewdiepie.

why don't you leave your computers and get organized irl instead of watching 2 idiot liberals argue? ah ye because this board is filled with e-leftist larpers that neither read theory nor organize in any meaningful way irl

False dichotomy. I can do other things and still be a revolutionary

sure keep telling yourself that while you discuss your favourite celebrity on an anime imageboard

Jontron cucked to death

do you ever stop and look at what you're doing with your time

HOLY FUCK LMAO. HOW CAN YOU BE THIS MISINFORMED?
PLEASE read Adorno you fucking idiot. He was one of the top jewish globalist islamic gangster computer god cultural marxist destroyers of the white race and he hated the absolute fucking SHIT out of the very same "culture industry" that you hate.

Jon lost