Morbid Obesity in a Communist/Anarchist Society

It would be treated like any other mental disease.

Why not starve them instead?

How morbidly obese?

takes too long

can't tell if trolling or Holla Forums invasion or if leftoids legitimately are this awful.

Asspained fatass detected

Idk seems like a self-correcting problem. Does a morbidly obese person consume more over 46 years of life than a normal person over, say, 75?

That's a good point. Also to consider:

• Fast food would most likely stop being the choice of the poor. Once you can actually have breathing room in life to cook, as well as the human dignity to afford real ingredients expediency and cost stop being barriers to good food.

• Fast food would stop being the go-to for overworked drones who basically have to either sacrifice time + energy to cook, or simply get a big mac and fries because they want to have some down time to play Overwatch or work out. (I'm in this same position, can't do shit between work, dinner and working out before I have to sleep.)

• As the user said above, sugar/soda/candy would stop being advertised so heavily and hopefully would get culturally shifted back into a reward/once in a time snack rather than simply comfort food you stuff your face full of.

• Going with the last point, sugary things would no longer be receiving subsidies for corn syrup, and the sugary foods industry would stop receiving so much damn capital as a result of their positive feedback loop consisting of advertise to easily influenced demographics > sell > profit > repeat. Not to mention their influence on scientific research which has been talked about would go away.

• Physical fitness would most likely become more widespread. As I've said in other threads concerning sports, socialism would most likely spread the funding around all school districts so inner city Chicago or NY would be getting state of the arts sports equipment that the so called "suburban white" kids would only get. Their parents wouldn't (as laid out in bullet 1) have to resort to fast food to save energy and money, and overall the whole environment surrounding children would be more positive not to mention not constantly being bombarded for sugary cereals, snacks and sodas.

Its crazy how socialism could have such an immediate effect if you just remove the goddamn base of capitalism.

Are you retarded?

I came here to say pretty much everything this guy did.

I also suspect fewer people will be feeling down and out or stressed, so there will be fewer people turning to food to cope.

Secondly, with workers' having more control over what they produce and having no profit-motive to make sugary, fatty shit, they may choose to make something healthier for themselves, their family, and their community.

life is suffering

This.
It's in the interest of companies to sell us the most unhealthy shit because managers don''t have to buy it and it's cheap. Socialism wouldn't label foods falsely or lie about health impacts. Once the research on the bullshit we've been fed by bought scientists catches up and people learn how much they were fucked over, even the fastfood will become much healthier and probably tastier than it is now. There are so many recipes one could make instead of just deep frying everything and covering it with imitation cheese like amerilards do now.

Someone gets it!

Incentives to eat crap will be reduced because break down of unhealthy capitalist products and in general probably less food because of war. Duh.

In developed countries it's the poor who are mostly overweight. In undeveloped countries it's the wealthier people who are overweight. This wont be as big an issue without Capitalism so long as there is some public health awareness about such things on how to eat right.

What's wrong with treating it like a mental disorder (probably more accurate to what he meant than disease). But there's a line that is crossed somewhere between "yeah, I don't mind if I pack on an extra few pounds, brownies are fucking delicious" to "I literally can't stop eating even though it is literally killing me and there are people in my own city who can't afford food".

What the fuck is with those fucking bullet points, we use
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jk, good post. You're pretty cool for a trip, CavAn

The solution to obesity and health problems in general is to shift agriculture from adding empty calories to shit in the form of high-fructose corn syrup and instead producing nutritional foods.

I live in the American South and when I go buy pre-brewed tea it's very difficult to find unsweetened tea. Even the zero-calorie tea has artificial sweeteners added to it. And at my local grocery store there is one brand that has a variant of apple sauce without added sugar. Food companies are constantly adding empty calories to their products because it makes them slightly more appealing to our lizard brain (which hasn't evolved much since the stone age and operates as if sugar is extremely rare).

Being 250lbs is a personality flaw, being 400lbs is a mental illness

Pretty sure yes.

that people in your own city can't afford food has literally absolutely nothing to do with how much morbidly obese people eat, holy shit.

has obese / overeating people caused enough food demand to significantly affected end-user food prices?? like at all?

I'm pretty sure even small population changes affect local food demand a lot more than someone's fucking eating habits.

I know this is a leftist imageboard but there's literally no excuse for being this pathologically bad at doing estimations based on orders of magnitude.

Well on one hand it is sort of like an addiction for some people, but on the other hand most of the time it's a result of people not having the money to afford high-quality foods and settling for nutrient-poor, calorie-rich foods that encourage you to eat more (because of the sugar high or similar effects) and require you to eat more in order to get enough nutrients.

Never the less. People are fucking mentally ill to eat themselves to death like that. Congrats at a successful cherrypicking though.

I really am specifying those addicted to ludicrous amounts of the cheapest most toxic food who do have the means to maintain an even somewhat healthy diet.

Look I am poor and I even have an eating disorder which means I don't eat like any healthy food but I'm still not fat, it's about ignorance not poverty. I mean Donald Trump is a lardass for fucks sake.

This is true. For the most part, eating in such a way as to not kill oneself, is both cheaper and tastier than eating fastfood.
Just search youtube for easy cooking techniques and you're good to go.

You don't even have to do that, my diet is like 1/3rd crisps, just exercise portion control

Like right now, I have a bag of salt and vinegar crisps next to me that I really wanna open and eat, but, I haven't, because I'm not really hungry.

You have to cook that shit which takes time and energy, something poor people have little of after working 2 jobs.

That's fine, but that's not most obese people.

Not being fat doesn't make you healthy though. All it takes to not be fat is to eat little enough food that you don't get fat. The problem is if you don't eat enough nutrients you will feel like shit and want to eat more, even if it makes you fat. Once you're fat, you will get signals from your body to eat enough to maintain that weight. Donald Trump is a lardass because of this though for sure.

Didn't say that, I never claimed to be healthy, but it's not hard to not be fat anyway. I'm pretty sure my diet isn't going to give me diabetes at least.

What I'm saying though is that when you have a choice to make between malnutrition and being fat (having to eat enough shitty food to get sufficient nutrition), a lot of people are going to go with the latter.

I really don't believe that choice exists. I mean is it easier for rich people to be healthy, of course, but it's hardly like poor westerners must either starve or be fat.

Have you ever heard of food deserts?

Again, unhealthy food doesn't force you to be fat.

that choice actually does indeed exist for lots of poor USians, there's food deserts, transportation can take lots of time if you dont have a reliable car or need to take shit-tier USian public transport, also the lower end of the USian working class arent exactly overflowing in free time

I guess I'm primarily disagreeing with your framing of the question. You pointed out a dichotomy between having to either starve or be fat as a poor person.

And to that I would say you're framing it wrong. Given your knowledge then of food deserts, of the challenges facing people who are impoverished as well as their lack of acccess to healthy food…can you see how obesity might start to become a problem among a community like that? I don't think anyone is arguing that "if you're poor you're going to be fat". But it makes you far more susceptible, and as such it makes itself a problem ultimately solved by doing away with poverty and capitalism before it.

The user before you said >>1458556:

I don't think that's the choice. I think he might have better phrased it by saying when you have a choice between an empty stomach and filling it with unhealthy food that might lead towards more serious health problems like obesity and depression it will immediately be apparent to anyone who has been hungry on a serious level that the latter is the better choice.

So we should kill all people with mental disorders? Nice one Holla Forums.

if you've been hungry on a serious level and needed to do actual tiring work and didn't have lots of money or time, there's not a lot of good choices for food in US, especially in food deserts, especially if you dont have good transportation

Some angry burgers around here.

When the fuck did I suggest we kill people with mental disorders? Fucking help them jesus.

coercive/nonconsensual "treatment" for things you deem mental disorders is also a rather bad thing.

just because you decide to put a veneer of pretending your nonconsentual actions on someone's body is "therapeutical" or "medical" doesn't mean it's not barbarity

You should've checked the other replies that post quoted.

What I was suggesting is that (especially in food deserts though I didn't think to mentionthem) it's very hard to strike the balance between not eating too many calories and eating enough nutrients so that you don't get fat but you also get enough quality content to be healthy. It's not so much a choice as a general trend, that people will prefer to eat more of something than less. They don't really have a built-in sense of how much vitamin A they have (deficiencies would make them feel shitty) but everyone knows when they feel hungry. When you add knowledge of nutrition to the mix, people are more likely to just check out and follow their impulses and eat until they feel less bad.

we can probably find a good way to put them into use

Why would the postulate a food creature that looks vaguely hominid?

I'm not saying to force anyone, but for the system to be there for them. Also, it's unfortunate but some people don't actually know what they want, and that's rung true for myself in the past.

You don't go "You ate too many cornish pasties and your BMI is too high. Fat camp for you!" Again, there's a difference between compulsive eaters and someone who's packed on a few too many pounds.

But I guess that's the nihilist way. In that case, why do you even care about barbarism?

For shock value?

So if I get to be that fat I can be naked all the time?

My comrade