Why do tankies insist on marxism-leninism or dialectics being scientific? It reeks of STEMfaggotry to me

Only for name sake.

They are just like Nats.

this came up just the other day.
it goes back to Marx and Hegel and the German word for science which is "wissenschaft". The word 'science' is Greek and if I remember right, means 'knowledge'. Wissenschaft more or less literally means 'knowledgeship' and it was used by Hegel because he wanted to bring philosophy to the level of natural science.

The 'immortal science' people are just idiots who regurgitate propaganda and probably haven't even read Anti-Duhring. There's Marx and then there's Marxism and Anti-Duhring is very much Marxist. A Russian named Plekhanov is also very much to blame for Marxism, arguing along the same lines as Engels.

Hence the importance of reading Marx and Hegel. I got into Marx through his popularizers before the man himself. A lot of what they say isn't exactly wrong, but they don't know where to go from there (e.g. the principles of non-identity and process – they are not meaningful in themselves).

because they have an inflated sense of self importance and like to think they'd be the ones running the gulags, secret police and economic planning committee instead of shovelling shit

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same reason nazis hide behind "race realism." they don't have to take responsibility for their shitty views if they can frame it as "just the facts"

kys

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This is you.

Is that what you think about your mom when she tells you to stop smoking weed?

XD pwned
no but actually, I think it's a fear of taking responsibility. deep down you guys are ashamed of your political views, but you just haven't read enough to get out of it.
I remember a little while ago on twitter some guy said something along the lines of "race realism proves that we need an ethno-state. I don't even like ethnostates, but you can't question the facts here." In the same way tankies call what they believe a science because if they don't they run the risk of waking up and realizing that they're just some fatass jerking off to assad and trying to explain why all these cold-war shitholes aren't actually shitholes.

I didn't explain that well. I was talking with frogtwitter trash and they said that.

This thread is a perfect example of people not doing the fucking reading.

You are (almost) all bandying around words without understanding what they mean in context, without understanding the historical reasoning between splits and developments in thought.

Scientific socialism refers to the Marxist historical-materialist method of reaching socialist conclusions, as opposed to the utopian method, which was a school of thought in socialism at the time in which Marx and Engels were writing.

Read "Socialism: Utopian and Scientific" for more on this question (seriously though, the fact that the title of the key text on this subject is so basic, and the whereabouts of the answer to this question could be answered through a google search, and that the text itself is so short, demonstrates the sheer intellectual laziness of some of the posters in this thread)

Daily reminder that Stalinism is a heterodox position and not scientific socialism

The thing with "race realism" is that it flies in the face of, and can be rebutted with, the actual weight of evidence and scientific consensus.

This.

Basically this

Because using two well-renowned communist figures as symbolatry can very ideally be tooled to justify your otherwise non-communist, state capitalistic society, especially if you raise this symbolatry to a level that fancies itself scientific or almost mythological.

You can tell by almost everyone ITT that it's working as intended.

I don't object to using the phrase "scientific socialism" as opposed to utopian socialism. But calling marxism a "science" looks cultish and hardly seems in the spirit of Marx anyways imo.

Dialectics/Marxism-leninism as a science predates the existence of STEM as a concept.