Marxist philosopher Slavoj Žižek explains why we shouldn’t pity or romanticize refugees

Because 🍀🍀🍀They🍀🍀🍀 dont care which side wins or loses

But seriously the progressive Left act like insane facist and even make me doubt whether they are left anymore

Is that the progressive left that supports capitalism, plays divisive identity politics with minority groups that marginalises them further for political point scoring, arms and funds terrorism around the world, is funded by weapons manufacturers, kills its political rivals, controls half of the media and political parties in the west but has seen a decline in real wages for at least decade wholesale and constantly race baits? The one with the fair trade coffee? Or are you referencing a progressive left I've never heard of.

Zizek doesn't hate refugees. He hates the leftists who insist on painting Muslims as "noble savages" and who claim the only way for Westerners to redeem themselves is by taking on the cultural norms of Easterners.

So for instance, a lot of postmodern leftists today will claim Islam's customs and traditions inherently promote egalitarian social structures (i.e. the hijab has nothing to do with gender roles but is a garment of humility or some shit, Ramadan is about "solidarity with the poor", etc.) without applying the same materialist dialectic they ardently apply to Western culture.

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Whilst they dont directly support capitalism, they most certainly encourage it within those who have a grain of commonsense, but yeah i agree with everything else you said
If this shit keeps going on, Its not going to be the Left vs The RIght But rather The alt Right/Left Commonsense Vs The Regressives and their Oppressed/Refugee Victims
At this point I'd rather have a Holla Forumsack guarding my back than one of those Intelligentsia

You may not have noticed it yet, but they do support capitalism. As you see it start to come under more and more threat the liberals will get very, very nasty.
Common sense is also just memes perpetuated by the dominant ideology.

I can understant it. sometimes seeing what some idpol "leftists" say, I get a fucking existential crisis and start browsing various the right-wing ideologies just to save me from this horrors.
But once you swalloved the true redpill, there is no going back to the right-wing. It's both a blessing and a curse.

By Common sense i was referring to people who could make rational, logical decisions, For some reasons the regressives have made logic leaps that simply do not make sense
Ideologies do not decide logic but rather the value of logic to society

to;dr: We need to mine the mediterranean and build a wall across the Balkans. When Africa sends its people, they're not sending their best. … They're sending people that have lots of problems, and they're bringing those problems with us. They're bringing terror. They're bringing crime. They're rapists. And some, I assume, are good people.
PS: workers of the world, unite.

Rather I think that their are some benefits to almost all political systems And these benefits are, more or less, relevant to the state of the nation
Hence i can't absolutely say Communism is the most perfect system of governance when there are countries out their in a state where Not Socialism will have a somewhat greater benefit
Still i would need to see these Political systems implemented to be sure either way

Never be so open minded your brain falls out.

Can't really deny that user
Still its better than supporting ideologies blindly, still everyone hates me because i sit on the fence between multiple opposing teams

Despite saying this though, zizek still supports letting refugees in

good post

Well, think of it like this: if the theology of Sunni Islam (over 90% of the refugees are Sunni, after all) really did compel one to embrace communism or some other egalitarian politic, then that's what Muslims in the Middle East would actually be fighting for, regardless as to how much Western imperialists try to fight them. "Blah blah blah the West supported Islamism to offset secular governments in that region" - sure, but Islamists wouldn't be as powerful as they are without some form of popular support by the people. Not to mention, it's not like Muslim diaspora populations are overwhelmingly turning to the far-left in Western countries.

But they are. PFLP is the third largest Palestinian party plus you've got huge support for Assad in Syria.

Are you really implying that Assad is left-wing?

inthesetimes.com/article/18385/slavoj-zizek-european-refugee-crisis-and-global-capitalism

Note that he's actually not anti-refugee, he just wants a more rounded understanding of who they are and what they're running from. It's a pretty fair stance.

Ziesk is a fucking meme. Why do people keep trying to shill him here?

He's right, as usual, except in one little detail.

Oh all these refugees aren't a price at all, they're very much a deliberate benefit as far as you-know-who is concerned.

Until the PFLP organizes some kind of massive direct action, it really doesn't matter how much popular support they have at the moment. How many members does SAlt have, and what have they done aside from getting a few of their guys elected?

The Palestinian struggle itself is losing a lot of steam it once had. Take a look at the bulk of who makes up the BDS campaigns and you'll see it's gone from actual far-left radicals (anarchists, Maoists, Trots, etc.) to typical SocDems and Berniebros ("white liberals", basically). I'm going to guess a lot of this has to do with the fact that the actual left sees very little hope in Palestine. Just compare the Palestinians to the Kurds: while the Kurds have managed to plant the seeds of genuine socialism in Rojava, Hamas hasn't turned Gaza into a commune nor did the Palestinian workers who were laid off rise up and seize the SodaStream factories to run them autonomously. And yes, I'm aware Israel funded Hamas to offset PLO/PFLP support, but that doesn't change the fact that they still have quite a bit of popular support in Gaza and among the Palestinian diaspora.

You have to be utterly retarded to have this as your take away.

I want to believe it was sarcasm

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So? Isn't this a good thing since it means Palestine is a mainstream issue now?

fug, wrong webm

Kind of makes sense if you look at it vaguely user
Still reeks of sarcasm

Pedo's in the West are brought up in the same social structure as the people judging them. They are aware of the taboos and social mores of the society they live in.

So are Muslim diasporas though. The funny thing is, it's usually the second generations who were born in the US/Canada/UK/France who end up becoming the most radicalized as far as religious extremism goes. The terrorists in France and Belgium weren't migrants but the sons of migrants.

No, it means that the Palestinian struggle is now being directed by capitalists.

I figured he was just referring to Islam as Child fuckers
Still its pretty vague user, You could argue that the Muslim enclaves in the west are a different Social structures and their psychology differs or alternatively the difference in Social Structures and Psychology between the rich and the poor
You could also argue that Pedophile networks have their own mini-social structures and Psychologies
Theres just too many substructures which makes me think of Idpol

Even if someone would be born in some other dimension of child fuckers, it doesn't mean we should let them get away with it.

How do we go about bombing child fuckers in another dimension?
Alternatively if a hell exists can we bomb the child fuckers there as well?

Sure…

left-wing-politics-in-the-last-30-years.txt

It really makes me think, how in 30 years from now leftist intellectuals and activists will look back at these days with a sense of: "How did we fuck up this badly?". Just look at how leftism has gone from a dramatic, profound movement to something weak and childish.

The left (rightfully) observed the failing reality of the east under so-called really existing socialism as this reality floated to the surface and became undeniable, so it moved towards avenues that abandon Marxism like post-colonialism, which was basically throwing away the baby with the bathwater. Never mind that Marx had been the basis of the revolutionary left for almost a century and that all victories, minor and majories for it, had happened through a Marxist basis or a heavy borrowing of his works. The consequence is a politics focused almost myopically on the social and cultural, which is easily recuperated by capitalism and the dominant liberal ideology of capitalism.

youtube.com/watch?v=T6Heu5TRDB8

Agreed. Also this:
youtube.com/watch?v=4Vzk5QBg9a8

Why is she so perfect bros?

She is my white African waifu.
youtube.com/watch?v=oIPP-gA6ads

I don't know she seems a bit insane with all the "shamanism" and a battle against "narcissism".
Like some typical new age middle age women who got somehow redpilled on leftism.

She is right though. Western culture is pretty damn narcissistic.

Eh, refugees are far less valuble to Porky than illegals and worker visas. At least burgerside (I don't know much about Euro immigration).

Refugees get permanent residency and have easy access to citizenship, and get deported basically never. That means there's no threats to call immigration if they start doing uppity things like insisting on minimum wage. And in general, immigrants and kids of immigrants who actually have permanent residency/citizenship manage to get higher wages than natives of similar SES status.

god dammit what is wrong with me.

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Can confirm. My sister-in-law works with refugee resettlement and said it takes YEARS for refugees to get properly vetted. The good thing about this though is that they don't have the fear of deportation the way undocumented immigrants from, say, Mexico or Central America do. Not to mention, most of them are very much under the impression they're going to be in the US for the rest of their lives, that their home countries will continue to be shitholes after the wars are over so it's better to stay in the US permanently than it is to dream of a future back in Sudan/Somalia/Yemen.

Well ,maybe if it is, it's still crazy.

She grew up in Rhodesia and has studied philosophy since she was able. A "narcissist" to her is basically just your typical interpellated subject under liberal ideology.

if you think zizek is anti refugee, you are wrong. rightists who think they like zizek completely misunderstand him

He's 100% right here. Why would anyone romanticize victims of capitalism?

that woman is an embarrasment

So this is what, his 100th crypto-fascist statement in a row? Yeah liberalism is cancer but there is such a thing as going from left critique to reactionism.

How? She's pretty much /ourgirl/ given that she's intelligent and anti-idpol.

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so we should romanticize victims of capitalism?

you're a victim of capit-

wait, this is you trying to get laid finally, isnt it?

Explain.

Isn't this guy supposed to be a smart redpilled leftist? He's somehow even stupider than regular leftists.

Well there's definitely a pretty large gap in intelligence at work here. Of course it's the well read and well educated philosopher who is dumber than you, that must be it

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Yes his point is that we should stop fucking doing that.

The reason they hide it is because if people knew of swedish rape statistics and paki rape gangs in Britian is because people will actively push to kick out browns if they know. Look at the push back from cologne for instance

The liberal fantasy world the liberal fantasy-world where each person is judged solely by their individual actions and prejudice does not exist doesn't exist. If swedes knew the full extent of what foreigners are doing, if every black on white rape is reported on as exactly that, do you think a strong anti immigrant sentiment wouldn't boil over?

are there actual pakistani rape gangs or is this some fucking shit made up by altright stuff like breitbart?

Yes but they generally only get away with it because the police are basically private security for middle class and up.

It's not as though you need to rape someone to get admitted as a refugee to Sweden.

The overwhelming majority of refugees are law-abiding individuals fleeing horrific tragedies, and you can make any demographic group look awful by cherrypicking the worst crimes any people of that group commit. Even if the crime rate is modestly higher, we're still talking about a very small percentage of the population, both regarding refugees and citizens.

Closing one's doors to all of a particular nationality based on a crime spree would be nothing short of collective punishment; arrest the guilty and leave the innocent alone.

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Didn't read shit I see.

Irrelevant. Overwhelming numbers of people are currently pushing for just that accross Europe. If just the Cologne incident exploded that sentiment in Germany, imagine if it was openly reported that nearly 100% of rapes in Sweden were committed by non swedes. Again I'm saying it. You can't earn public support for immigrants in Europe without actively working to make the crimes and lives of them less known

Lmao now I know you don't even believe that. Try for a more subtle build up next time.

It's absolutely true. They were committed by either immigrants of children of immigrants/mixed race swedes

You are so retarded it hurts. 0% rape amongst ethnic swedes isn't even a believable statistic

I'm sure there are a couple but since 40 years ago rapes have gone up 1,400%? Take a wild fucking guess why

Rape gang singular, but this was reported by sites other than Breitbart.

I don't trust journos regardless of what flag they fly, so I'll decline to state if it's 'true' or not.

Because Sweden changed its counting system from number of reports of rapes to rapes reported total and now whenever a battered spouse comes in it adds thousands to the count instead of 1.

No.

All crime including sex crimes have decreased in the last few years with no decrease in immigration. Literally took me 5 minutes on google to suss out. Why even come on here if you're going to be this openly wrong?

[citation needed]

But it didn't?

user, Sweden stopped recording the ethnicity in statistics after they reached past 90% non-native swedish

Ok I got the last one i think, There may have been one before they started not recording correctly But i think it was around 80%
https:// themuslimissue.wordpress.com/2012/08/20/the-living-hell-for-swedish-women-5-muslims-commit-nearly-77-6-of-all-rape-crimes/
Take into account this is not an accurate representation of all rapes, just one where the victim actually reported it correctly
This is what happens when you let in countless unregistered Young men from countries with poor respect towards women
Its the regressives that "couldn't" have seen this happening

Reminder internet reactionaries are so inept that even SJWs can BTFO them on their fabrications: youtube.com/watch?v=r9qiCN7CcB8.

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Honestly i just google Swedish rape crime statistics and that was the first thing i got

Not allowed here because it helps you getting tracked you damn newfag

A google research is not enough to give you the objective truth.

debunkingdenialism.com/2017/01/11/how-to-defeat-technological-filter-bubbles-that-skew-your-world/

Isnt that why its better to use Duckduckgo (although i hear its compromised now) for non-skewed filters?

not bad but ixquick is better.

Duckduckgo is pretty fucking slow…
Still this user is right
Mass immigration will lead to an increase in crime and the Islamic countries they are arriving from do treat women less equally than the west
I remember at some point i heard that men are actually Worth more in the Koran, as in explicitly written, But i never double checked so its inherently hearsay. Wouldn't mind it If some user here who is more familiar with the koran were to correct me

Qwant ain't bad imo, but blocking as much cookies as possible, no matter the search engines might helps a lot.
I'm still pretty vanilla when it comes to this i have to admit.
Do anyone knows something better than NoScript?

Or managing to different profiles/ account with radically differents researchand browsing history, hoping to increase the the variety of sources your getting exposed to, i guess.

A Harvard study came out rather recently that said immigration actually lowers crime in some instances.

This is pretty vague user, But i would presume its not referring to mass immigration consisting mostly of young men entering a country with a Significantly differing Culture and laws
Theres simply no way you can infer that this would logically decrease Crime

Or you could just secure your own borders and let them work it out. Like Christanity, change must come from within.

Ok just thought of one
What if the increase in violent unregistered Immigrants on the street scares away House thieves?
Think about it, What if you robbed the wrong house and Mehammad and his 20 friends caught up to you?
And its not like they're going to report the crimes that happen between each other as they're unregistered

Which part of Christianity are you referring to?
Theres quite a few times where that adage is Correct
Still i dont think thats going to work with Islam, Islam is quite resilient, its why they were able to make quite alot of Jihads whilst Catholics/Christians could only make a measly 7 (I think?)
That and it survived quite alot of immigration during the "dark Ages", which is usually when culture/religions suffer some damage

The witch burning, crusading and inquisitions. The sit that was largely forced out by more rational systems of thought.

Trying to force them to change won't work. Liberal interventionism just gives the mad ones more bait to rile up the masses. I think change could have come from trying to work closer with Syria which was largely a functional, secular state prior to 2011. Unfortunately there are now no such Islamic majority states in the region. And east asia is even worse, with Isalm starting to flex its muscles now that they are the majority in some nations.

I agree a violent method will not work unless you go full genocide (and by that i mean Killing all the adult men)
Still securing your own borders seems like it would take far too long
Rather i think it needs to be a coordinated effort from all surround countries of said Islamic states that need to work in tandem to secure the borders
As soon as one fails they all become significantly less effective
Honestly it would severely help if Countries would stop selling them weapons

There is no within or without anymore, it's our duty to oppose it in anyway.
It's not in our power as lefties to secure borders, no it's really what we need. We should fight it on ideological level, not just somehow closing borders and let them all in a reservation untill they somehow wake up.
How strange that that didn't happen with Jews and Orthodox Christians, and yet here we are.

Jews and Orthodox had their shit too. What you getting at?

Fight how? Like tell them they're wrong and their god isn't real? Smarter people than you or I have tried this. Islam is set to become the worlds largest religion this century. So I actually kinda agree with you that it should be opposed. But as we're not in a position to dictate to people how they live their life in their own nation the best we can do is stop the spread of their most dangerous ideas (Jihad and conquest) and work with progressive elements that may appear.

Well I live in the orthodox country and most of these progressive stuff came from the west on way or another, or when Bolsheviks abolished state religion. Same could be said about jews.
There were not like some specific isolated reformation or anything, where "change got from withing".
The point is that how left once fought against christian fundamentalism and it's involvment in politics, the same should be done with islam now. Here we have some progress, why can't we achieve it on that front too?
Like we should actively oppose it, not just saying "It's their own thing, we shouldn't question it". The best we can do is at least make a point that left is not going to deal with their bullshit like some liberals do. This way we would also help to counther the spread of political and extremist islam here and help the progressive elements there.

The PLPF is tiny conpared to Hamas and Fatah

I absolutely agree with you. My bad. Initially I thought you were suggesting 'liberal interventionism'. I still don't think we should meddle in other nations full stop but I'd applaud and leftist who speaks honestly about Islam in the west.

So what's the actual solution barring Full Communism, which will somehow fix Muslims' conception of human rights being incompatible with Europeans, and Europeans lack of desire to have them? Shut up and deal with it for the greater good, immigrant ghettos, trying to convert refugees away from Islam (good luck), neocolonialism in the Arab world with a human face, or what?