==DOTA PLUS==

Jaxon Perez
Jaxon Perez

dota2.com/plus

Valve has just announced that they're adding in a monthly subscription system to Dota 2.

Valve has gone full jew.

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Nathaniel Sullivan
Nathaniel Sullivan

Caring about ASSFAGGOTS
The thread did for this.

Jackson Collins
Jackson Collins

Just wait for that fucking dota2 card game

Thomas Perry
Thomas Perry

Another lazy OP that provides zero context. How are we supposed to laugh at it if we don't even know what's in it?
<seasonal skins for the same level you play every single time
<a "chat wheel" that sounds suspiciously like a tool to phase out all typed chat messages so nobody can be mean to each other
<XP, dailies, and CHEEVOS
<a helper that all but plays the game for you

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Dylan Price
Dylan Price

Trying to redtext in the subject
thinking THIS is what qualifies as Valve going full Jew when they went full Jew eons ago

Dominic Martin
Dominic Martin

Remember when Holla Forums wouldn't get daily threads for shit games?

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Daniel Bell
Daniel Bell

No, because it has always happened

Liam Gutierrez
Liam Gutierrez

And idiots will still buy this because "its a deal" or some crap.

Brayden Martin
Brayden Martin

I remember when we made threads to laugh at shitty games getting even shittier.

Juan Anderson
Juan Anderson

dota 2
daily threads

Sebastian Russell
Sebastian Russell

Monthly Subscription for a chatwheel.
Fucking Overwatch gives you that shit for free.
All I get from the link in OP was:
cosmetic crap
progression bars for more cosmetic crap
paid only cosmetic
META META META
Another update where they drop the Fun and focus on the metafaggots that turned a videogame into a job.
This reminds me why I played 5 matches and dropped it. It was shit at release and never improved.

Angel Hall
Angel Hall

Who the hell would pay a monthly subscription for these useless features?

Owen Morales
Owen Morales

If we didn't talk about shit games there'd be nothing to talk about.

Liam Nguyen
Liam Nguyen

exclusive hats

You are all missing the point.

Dominic Jackson
Dominic Jackson

a thread dided for this*

Isaac Carter
Isaac Carter

Holy shit, why do they do these things?

Jaxson Rivera
Jaxson Rivera

No way. There's no way this is real.
No one in their right mind would pay for this. Absolutely no one.

Isaac Ramirez
Isaac Ramirez

Compendium challenges all year round with arbitrary "DO X OF Y" that can be game throwing but goyim will do it anyway for those virtual points.
Glad I stopped playing a few months ago and not had urges to go back. I was hoping the meta would get fixed instead of it being rubberband shite where every hero is a carry instead of powerspikes according to spells, stats and stat growth but that ain't happening clearly.

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Kayden Ward
Kayden Ward

They will make ridiculous amounts of money monthly now, instead of just seasonaly. Valve is at the forefront of whale milking.

James Morales
James Morales

direct linking to cancer
faggot

Dominic Peterson
Dominic Peterson

have to pay for access to what sounds like basic stat tracking features
have to level up to unlock the ability to spam voice commands
have to pay for the privilege of grinding like this is a jap multiplayer game

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Alexander Ortiz
Alexander Ortiz

1990: Buy Game
2000: Buy Game, Pay Subscription to play
2010: Free Game, Lootboxes
2015: Buy Game, Lootboxes
2020: Buy Game, Pay Subscription to play game, Lootboxes
2030: Pay Subscription to get Game, Pay Subscription to play game, Lootboxes
2040: Suicide

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Thomas Bennett
Thomas Bennett

Just so we're clear, you don't need to pay anything to play dota so what stage are we at now?

Brandon Robinson
Brandon Robinson

even reddit is sperging out about this, you know you've fucked up when the shiteaters that are redditors won't just swallow something

Aaron Brown
Aaron Brown

You forgot to count up expansions turning into dlcs.

Sebastian Rodriguez
Sebastian Rodriguez

Well, it's 2018, so if user is right we're only two years away from a game releasing that is p2p, has a sub, and lootboxes. That or dota becoming p2p.

Julian Foster
Julian Foster

HotS did this in alpha and then Blizzard scrapped it for that reason. I can't wait to see the threads where someone calls out a payfag for throwing then gets banned.

Thomas Ramirez
Thomas Ramirez

2018 - About two years off from 2020, when because of the rousing success of DOTAplus, subscriptions become mandatory to play.

Jeremiah Jenkins
Jeremiah Jenkins

Monthly Subscription for a chatwheel
Monthly Subscription for a chatwheel
Monthly Subscription for a chatwheel
JUST FOR CHATTING? WTF

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Wyatt Ward
Wyatt Ward

The point of Holla Forums is to enjoy the suffering of those who don't know that they're suffering.
That's my take on it, after years and years of partaking.

Jonathan Jackson
Jonathan Jackson

So its becoming pay to win where the game makes calculations for you for spells. Wow. Now faggots can spam they shit showing how much money they give to valve. They aren't even trying to hide the fact that they want this to be a LoL clone. Its like France and Bong, they are getting reverse coloniesed

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Isaiah Mitchell
Isaiah Mitchell

Checked. I have lost games to this bullshit and I don't see why out of all the complaints lobbed against valve for this is missing out on this shite. A lot of the stats stuff has always been free outside of the game and should be the least of concerns.

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Robert Evans
Robert Evans

.>>14476683
Yeah, I remember a time when we had daily threads on it with anons meeting up to play with each other.
Then faggit autists like you came in and tried Holla Forums hates everything a bit too hard, instead of letting the interest for the game simply die out, which it would have thanks to Gaybens retarded desicions in due time anyway.
But now even talking about Dotas retarded direction is too much to bear for the super autstic faggit refugee thaks to indoctrinating himself with an autistic attitude bar none other.
Fuick off to the shit hole you crawled out of.

Julian Kelly
Julian Kelly

Jewish Handshake
not Hebrew Handshake
Are you even trying?

They eventually eat every last nugget of shit, it just takes them a while to digest it.

Owen Fisher
Owen Fisher

The game already has a chatwheel and chat, what this is is chat wheel options that are voiced lines from heroes. They learned very quickly that the voiced chat wheels they gave with international compendium levels were obscenely popular, so what better to sell your new shitty sub service than more voice chat wheel options.

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Nicholas Barnes
Nicholas Barnes

Not long before they do the same with CSGOY and then the rest of the companies follow suit, hell I even remember people ASKING for them to add a paid sub to play without cheaters, so yeah, it's likely to happen.

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Thomas Robinson
Thomas Robinson

Jesus. Valve really stopped giving a shit about what people think of them haven't they?
hurr how is this news to you
Oh they've been shitty for years now. But after that Artifact backlash you would wonder if they might have started thinking a bit more about their reputation.

Austin Harris
Austin Harris

Yes, give me shekels while so i DON'T fix an issue.
Jesus.

Camden Foster
Camden Foster

This post requires a Dota Plus account to view.

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Nathan Cox
Nathan Cox

I was honestly expecting this to be a way for players to pawall themselves away from BR's, but somehow it's even worse.

Jaxon Myers
Jaxon Myers

Valve is now putting QoL game updates behind a monthly paywall
There is no excuse for this, I couldn't be happier that I quit a few months back.

Asher Morgan
Asher Morgan

you will still getting queque with peruvians and mexicians
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH DOTARDS?

Carson Brooks
Carson Brooks

As everyone can see, it adds nothing of value. If you don't want it, don't buy it. Pretty fucking simple.

Joseph Perry
Joseph Perry

You're right,but the morons who DO buy this will further lead the way to this being the norm in more games,with potentially deadlier paid features.

Asher Jones
Asher Jones

yfw you never touched this shit to begin with

Jaxon Myers
Jaxon Myers

VALVE IS BACK TO MAKING GAMES BAYBEEEEEE.

Andrew Foster
Andrew Foster

You're right,but the morons who DO buy this will further lead the way
Even if only 100 people bought it, Valve would still continue this way because they don't lose anymore money from it. And some nigger always buys into this kind of shit. That said, this subscription is pay2win, so you can bet your ass that lots of people will buy it.

Stopped playing Dota a long time ago and I doubt I will go back to it.

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Isaiah Robinson
Isaiah Robinson

You make a valid point, but as soon as devs add something only obtainable through money which affects the gameplay, the playerbase and associated press always release a massive shitstorm which causes revenue loss.
Is that not what you meant by
deadlier paid features
?

It hurts that we'll never see a true sequel to half life 1. Half life 2 had better graphics and a more involved story, but half life 1 has an amazing atmosphere and, personally, had more fun gameplay.

Colton Hill
Colton Hill

I wish I could pay extra to my ISP for a white/east Asian only internet tbh

Jordan Gray
Jordan Gray

It depends,sometimes these things come in small waves and people don't notice, and if the company is big enough they'll be defended no matter what.

Isaac Barnes
Isaac Barnes

white/east Asian
what's up with you niggers worshipping asia? Asian servers are by far the worst. Also making it "white only" won't get you far either. You ever met a french person online? They absolutely refuse to speak english and on top of that are the biggest griefers and whiners. You'd think that scandinavian countries are decent, but they are also just a bunch of griefing niggers. No idea why but I assume their high quality of life spoils them so hard that they turn into special snowflakes who throw the game as soon as something doesn't go the way they want it to.

And then there is eastern europe + russia… the biggest cancer out there.

Hudson Watson
Hudson Watson

I'm not even buying this shit but the blackpilling on Holla Forums has been cringey lately.

they want this to be a LoL clone
What does that even mean? People say this for every Dota update thread we get, but it's never substantiated. What about LoL has this pass made Dota resemble?
Another update where they drop the Fun and focus on the metafaggots that turned a videogame into a job.
Valve do that because Dota is still too fucking much for casualbabbies to wrap their heads around. They can't figure out a tutorial, and they can't be asked to make a singleplayer campaign to ease people into the mechanics. So they dropped some algorithms that weigh variables up and put a price tag on 'em.

This isn't P2W, but it's handholding.

<a "chat wheel" that sounds suspiciously like a tool to phase out all typed chat messages so nobody can be mean to each other
Do you seriously think nobody will use these to be dicks to other people? The fucking screenshot you posted includes a message saying "PROFITABLE ENGAGEMENT" in all chat. That people have to hear. How few friends must you have to not see how that can be as bad as "WELL PLAYED!" or worse?
Nigger, the industry has been worse than what Valve's doing with dota for decades now. The pass is 100% cosmetic that they're doing because compendiums have peaked and they want to hide that fact like Blizzard hide declining WoW numbers. That's it. If you think this is somehow going to make other publishers worse…I have bad news. They have been since the 00's.

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Blake Miller
Blake Miller

sometimes these things come in small waves and people don't notice
Not true at all. Players and youtubers always read the patch notes. This is how the shitstorms I was referring to get started.

and if the company is big enough they'll be defended no matter what.
People don't care about what company fucked up, they just care that there fuck up affected them. I'm a living example of this because pre- CS:GO crates and before TF2 got fucked in the ass by incompetent devs, I was valve fanboy.

Owen Jenkins
Owen Jenkins

From adding indicator for every little shit, making the UI ass and now you can get icon shit over your hero that im guess you can spam.

Leo Watson
Leo Watson

People say this for every Dota update thread we get, but it's never substantiated.
Dota is about farming and big fights, LoL is dota without the "anti-fun" elements. More fights, lower cooldowns, game is more forgiving. Lately dota moves towards lol. Octa lowers cooldown, we have a rune that lowers cooldowns too, passive gold gain has been increased, support items get cheaper, we have comeback gold. All cancer features we don't need in dota.

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Jose Hernandez
Jose Hernandez

People in general are shit, really.

Mason Johnson
Mason Johnson

I would play LoL if they remove the runes and masteries system. It's needlessly complicated and out-of-game shit like that shouldn't affect anything in-game.

Juan Davis
Juan Davis

I blame it on… uhhh…. well online gaming was always cancer to be honest. People lack respect for others and are behaving like niggers online. And the fact that we get team games with ranks only makes it worse. Games today are basically like communism/socialism, even if you are total shit someone else will carry you. So basically all the decent people get punished while all the bad niggers get free fun.

It wasn't this bad back in the days because you had no ranks and played for your own. Since you didn't have a team there to carry you, you had to try and win or get your ass handed to you.

Logan Long
Logan Long

Sure but how big is Slark's cock and why is he the best girl

Kevin Sanders
Kevin Sanders

Stop posting ruskie cancer, its embarrassing.

Nolan Flores
Nolan Flores

slark's dick
Futafags go and stay go.

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Nicholas Gray
Nicholas Gray

ruskie cancer
oi suka blyat

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David Ortiz
David Ortiz

Finally, something substantive, thank you. I'm thinking it over, but I still don't see it.

octa
Of all the relevant heroes, it's only core on Death Prophet, and viable on a few others, from big ability users like Timbersaw to one-punch wonders like Enigma. If this item has truly been a line in the sand, then why haven't more heroes built it? Because there are better options. It's not that big a deal.
passive gold gain, support items get cheaper
Supports are more viable and their job's less miserable, is all it's meant for me in the long run. They can focus on playing the game, but they're still poor as hell unless they do a good job. I value it since it's one of the things that lifts emphasis on the carry carrying everything, which is where the meta was before the passive gains came in. And it's worth noting, support items like wards have become more expensive since the last patch.

comeback gold
But this doesn't make the game more forgiving: if anything it makes it less so. Yeah, coming back from behind if you lost your lane was bullshit difficult, but the team with the advantage could play extremely sloppy. Sloppy beyond reason; I never went a game where the enemy team had to actually respect what the defenders could do, because they could hurl bodies at the rax. That was not respecting team balance, but because of comeback gold teams now have to. The only mistake was in its introduction patch, where the rubber band was too strong but got toned down.

I see what you're getting at, but I'm not convinced it's there. The ultimate reason why I don't agree Dota has become more LoL like is because all of those elements have made it less like LoL. Will you find those mechanics in LoL? Yes. Will they be for a different purpose? Always. LoL games are decided very early on average. Dota makes you respect whatever state of the game you're in at all times.

You'd enjoy fighting games, they're more like capitalism. You gotta carry yourself, you study from more experienced and learned players, you respect another guy if they've put in huge effort even if they're a cunt.

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Charles Ramirez
Charles Ramirez

You'd enjoy fighting games
Not playing any games at all since 4 months, trying to focus on real life. That said, yes I do play righting games for that reason.

Parker Parker
Parker Parker

isn't there already a chat wheel

Oliver Foster
Oliver Foster

a paid sub to play without cheaters
how would that even work? im guessing exclusive servers only for subscribers, but whats to prevent a hacker from burning money on a sub so he can use those servers? Ive seen griefers' accounts with dozens of copies of CS:GO sitting around for when one of their alts are inevitably banned. I doubt they'd have any issues buying subscriptions if they already own 20 copies of a game.

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Samuel Lopez
Samuel Lopez

And then there is eastern europe + russia… the biggest cancer out there.
idi nahui pidor ))))
LoL is dota without the "anti-fun" elements. More fights, lower cooldowns, game is more forgiving
You might be retarded
lol has a third of the blink dagger's range at
SIX MINUTES COOLDOWN
THAT'S 300 SECONDS FOR A 450 RANGE TELEPORT
in addition
There are no fights, because they're all over in a second and end the game,
only recently they added their rubick clone where you need to pick up spells from the floor like the fucking subhuman animal you are.
Highground siege is a joke due to highground not being a thing
How are your infinite armor towers that stop korean meme push?

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Ayden Taylor
Ayden Taylor

Just the other day when Gayben announces Artifact garbage will be appearing in dota and vice versa
Now this
Jesus, I thought they had already thrown the pedal to the metal on ruining Dota, but seems they still have some new surprises.

Josiah Russell
Josiah Russell

Yes but this one now has audio

Jaxon Sanders
Jaxon Sanders

Except blink in dota is an actual item which is mid to late unless you rush in which case you are still sacrificing your early gold and you cant just get a free pass every three minutes when you get ganked.
thinking "pro" LoL where bug people dont do shit for 30 minitues is a representation of the game

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Asher Gonzalez
Asher Gonzalez

how's your 1 per team teleport on a what, 10 minutes cooldown?
And ban for picking more than 1 teleport.

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Sebastian Collins
Sebastian Collins

I think you are getting way too involved in shitposting to actually read what you are shitposting about.

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Jace Ross
Jace Ross

Dota already had a chat wheel, this just looks like they get exclusive options on said wheel, like every compendium ever. (Both are retarded)
The chat wheel is already free you get additional options for it it looks like, this has been a thing since forever. To this day Dota is still making more money by making the game free by default and milking retards with optional content.

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Isaiah Diaz
Isaiah Diaz

Comparing Flash to Blinkdagger is a bad comparison for what it does in the game.
A better comparison would be Flash and Buyback.

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Julian Turner
Julian Turner

What? How the fuck so? One saves your life or lets you engage whiles the other makes you loose even more shekels to respwan instantly from base and then having to walk your ass or teleport back to the fight. By that logic shadowblade, pudge's hook, etc. are the same as bb and blink.

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Mason Cox
Mason Cox

half-life 2 had inferior enemies, enemy variety, weapons, weapon variety, level design, retcon characters (literally every single one), and a shit cast of characters to boot

hl1 encourages mobility, resource management, and skillful aiming with enemies that have high movement speed. half-life 2 encourages tanking all damage then getting a med kit + ammo 10 meters ahead.

Michael Perry
Michael Perry

I think user meant summoner spells in general being more comparable to buyback as opposed to Flash specifically.
all heroes have equal access to it
incredibly long cool down
can change the game in unusual ways (hero survives a fight they definitely shouldn't have, teleport to another fight and win it etc)

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Alexander Thompson
Alexander Thompson

Dota 2 is more along the lines of:
pay nothing, get every hero and ingame item and be at no disadvantage whatsoever

What does that even mean?
Them replacing the high-skillcap +2 attribute with a shit ton of different options via talents dumbed down the game too much.

Joshua Brown
Joshua Brown

Still retarded since summoner spells are just items that are ALL available in dota instead of 2. And if I remember there is already a revive summoner spell.

Jaxson Robinson
Jaxson Robinson

Battlecups kinda have that "feature".

What difference does it make if they show a hero for the first time in Dota or their shitty hearthstone ripoff? It's not like they are going to share anything except name/look. Makes sense for Dota and the Dota-cardgame to share characters after all
It also takes less time to dump some concept art on a card than finish the complete hero and it creates additional interest from Dota-players who want to get a preview for the new hero.

Charles Garcia
Charles Garcia

LOL took out revive awhile ago actually because fuck variety in gameplay as they took out other shit for summoner spells such as clairvoyance and some other shit. The problem with lol is they make everything simplified as fuck and screw over what little individual worth a player has in a ASSFAGGOTS game. If anything LOL should just get rid of summoner spells permanently and give some extra damage/ HP regen/HP/Stats for junglers in compensation for smite in the form of the jungle items. Also should get items like those of dotas like tp scroll or a blink like item. But then again mobas are just by game design unfun and punishing people for shittalking in a game is bullshit when there is a fucking mute button. All mobas should just crash and die already and the companies that keep them up should put their resources into better projects

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Blake Rivera
Blake Rivera

I've never seen someone be so far from the truth.

supports are poor as hell
I've been a support main since beta, supports have way more gold now with comeback gold and AoE teamfight gold. As long as you don't die first in a teamfight, you'll end up with higher networth than beta dota supports who got reasonably fed. Support items have gotten way cheaper: TP scrolls were 135 gold ages, you got nothing from dewarding, sentries were 200 for 2 and observers were 150 for 2. Dust was 180 for 2 and smoke was 100 for 1. Not only that, courier and flying costed more combined than courier now. Supports also have way more options for "don't die" items which will get them gold for not dying in teamfights. If you're still poor in new dota as support then you're just fucking shit at the game. This is also ignoring the fact that plenty of supports now get passive gold per minute through talents and not only that, talents make supports more relevant in the late game, but the current meta makes early game close to meaningless. Finally, you gain gold for stacking camps now, so there's yet another fucking avenue of income. Supports are now another type of carry rather than support roles and early game powerhouses.

comeback gold
No, if you secured an early game advantage with all that expensive shit to buy as support and little to gain by simply using your early game powerspike to rotate into lanes and get kills, you were doing your fucking job. You shouldn't be punished for securing that much space as a support with rubberband mechanics just because you take 1 bad teamfight after 25 minutes of outplaying. It's less of an issue in pro games since they're less likely to take a bad fight in the lead, but in pubs you get reprimanded sorely for it.

Overall, nusupport is easy as fuck compared to old support. You just basically have to braindead to find it remotely challenging compared to how support was. Not all the changes over the years are bad, but current dota is utter shite for support players who valued the early game advantage. The best supports now are ones that scale into late game and have good lane defense, so if you're aren't picking shit like dazzle or lich every game, you're at a disadvantage.

Bring back the fucking 4 protects 1 meta, where every phase of the game fucking mattered and it was about controlling the map and resources rather than mish mashing dicks mid lane after 25 minutes until someone loses an ancient.

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Colton Perez
Colton Perez

People generally shit on Flash because it is a free blink dagger available at the start of the game that doesn't go on a cooldown when taking damage. No cooldown for damage lets it's user pull off some bullshit.
Get an initiation on the lone carry. They flash away. Hope your team didn't spend any long cooldowns on the failed gank because your are about to lose the next teamfight.
The same happens with Buyback.
Secure a kill on the carry. The buyback and can TP in. Hope your team didn't spend any long cooldowns to secure the kill because you are about to lose the next teamfight.
Both tend to make the game drag on longer than it should have been.

You can't really do that shit with Blinkdagger

Jeremiah James
Jeremiah James

dumping levels into stats takes more skill then deciding between two different options
Of course they're mostly fucked as far balance for some heroes and one is obviously better than the other but other heroes it is a very important fight by fight basis what to get.
Well, I've never played LoL so I had to look up a list but from what I can tell.
Barrier
A combination of Pipe and Crimson guard, except on a gigantic cooldown far longer than those items. Meaning you won't use it every fight (as you most likely can with both of those items) but every once in a great while for more clutch saves every once in a while rather then survivability on a fight by fight basis the items give you. Maybe glimmer cape would be a better example of an item meant to save yourself or someone else in a rare situation? But even then you can use it every fight.
Clarity
Arcane boots, but much higher mana, on a gigantic cool down. While Arcane's help sustain you and your allies with mana over the entire match this appears to be more about giving your team that last bit of mana they need in a teamfight in order to keep casting spells? Same affect but the cooldown changes it's situational usefulness drastically.
Cleanse
AoE dispel? I don't think there's an item in Dota like this, closest I can think is Guardian Greaves but that only dispels the caster and gives everyone else mana and health instead.
Exhaust
Skadi/Shiva's guard but instead of every attack/active it's every 3.5 minutes, wew that's dog shit.
Flash
Functions closer to Anti-Mage's blink than Blink Dagger, where it manages to be both an initiation tool and an escape on a gigantic cooldown, but Blink Dagger isn't the most amazing for escaping because it gets disabled when you take damage and if you're playing with any competent they're going to Blink onto you first anyway. If anything I'd say, Force Staff is a better escape tool for these purposes? But a Blink Dagger on a 5 minute cooldown is going to be used far differently than one with a 13 second cool down in Dota.
Ghost
Phase boots on a 3 minute cooldown
What the fuck
Heal
Mech but again it's not going to be used every fight it's going to be used for clutch saves every once in a great while.
Mark/Dash
This looks like a shittier version of PA blink or even Flash. I can't think of a comparable item, closest is Blink Dagger.
Smite
This is just a free Dagon, same cooldown on Dagon Level 5 exactly.
Teleport
5 Minute cooldown TP boots
After reading this I have to the conclusion that LoL is fucking awful, however, with most of these skills (bar Smite) having gigantic cooldown, they get treated far differently than their item counterparts in Dota. In general, these gigantic cool down skills seem to again, serve the same purpose as Buyback, where you can potential turn a fight around you wouldn't be able to otherwise at the cost of not being able to do it anytime soon. By mere grace of giving these spells longer cooldowns you've changed how most of them are treated in a game by game basis, except for Smite and Heal in particular.
Supports are poor as hell
Did you miss the
unless they do a good job
Immediately after that? You seem to be agreeing with him that if you're not retarded you'll get more money but if you are retarded you won't.
Comeback gold
It should not be 1 teamfight=instant chance to win, you are correct, and it isn't nowadays, it currently takes the leading team dying multiple times in order to completely lose their lead, which is completely possible and I've seen it happen plenty of times in pro games where they consistently throw the late game for some god forsaken reason. You shouldn't be able to zerg rush the enemies barracks and ancient just because you played smart earlier, you should have to play smart all game.

Leo Ramirez
Leo Ramirez

This is literally only useful for people who are like legend rank and below. .
Everything else is cosmetic.

Caleb Campbell
Caleb Campbell

The problem with the summoner spells is that you have to pick two before every match. You can't pick up a new spell midgame. So it limits player choice.

Julian Hill
Julian Hill

Yeah, the entire concept of LoL where you spend so much time making choices before the game even starts reinforces it's shitty strict meta bullying bullshit. So much of the game is decided before it even starts I can see why it's flaming pile of dog shit.

Ian Cooper
Ian Cooper

Smite only does massive damage to creeps. They added some meme shit for heroes but i dont remeber shit.

Isaiah Collins
Isaiah Collins

people up in arms about dota now having a subscription system
ctrl+f battle pass
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Levi Phillips
Levi Phillips

Supports are poor as hell
You literally have to be braindead to be poor as modern support
How the fuck am I agreeing with him? I'm telling him that supports are richer than they've ever fucking been besides the memeback meta of 6.86 to which we still feel to this day with comeback gold.

Come back gold
No, you can still lose all of your early game advantages by not coming out on top in one team fight in the mid game. I'm not even talking about being wiped, if you trade 2 for 3, that can be enough to undo most of your lead despite that you killed 1 more than them. If you're at all behind in the game, you're still better off buying "don't die" items to not die first in teamfights, even as carry.

With the jungle being as nerfed as is, it's not worthwhile trying to farm creeps and flash farm when you get so much more out of teamfights. Comebacks should be possible, but not because the winning team is playing anything but perfect after securing the lead. Not only that, but now that shrines need you to take highground before destroying them, it's difficult to secure roshan while in the lead since they can just TP rotate to the shrine. And don't you fucking think about trying to push highground while in the lead without roshan just to take out the top shrine, because if fuck up taking the t3, you just undone all of your fucking work securing a lead. Fuck new dota.

David Foster
David Foster

<a "chat wheel" that sounds suspiciously like a tool to phase out all typed chat messages so nobody can be mean to each other
hardly. its just a meme.

<a helper that all but plays the game for you
it suggests routes you should take based on how other people play. this is a pretty good addition if you're new unsure of how to proceed in a given situation.

Monthly Subscription for a chatwheel.
no. you have a chatwheel for free. it contains phrases that are commonly used. this is a chatwheel specific to your current hero's recorded lines that typically only play when you do something specific in game.

have to pay for access to what sounds like basic stat tracking features
you can still track stats after game for free. this tracker seems to add more shit.

So its becoming pay to win
you're retarded

Elijah Jones
Elijah Jones

Dagon only for creeps
Hey that's exactly like Iron Talon, oh wait, RIP. Where were you the day Ice Frog started removing items from Dota entirely? Probably a good thing though as it did encourage "everyone's a jungler" autism until the Jungle rework.

Benjamin Gomez
Benjamin Gomez

if you get the blue jungle item your smite deals some damage and slows the enemy hero
if you get the red jungle item your deals some damage and makes the enemy hero deal less damage
the green jungle item gives you wards every time you go to the fountain

James Miller
James Miller

there's honestly no real need to really have a jungler for dota as its just another hero that needs farm unless its a support type jungler like nigma or chen who only need certain things like blink and bkb for nig and some good creeps to take control of

Luis Jackson
Luis Jackson

Best news I've read in a long time. Your playerbase is so shit that even the developers can't respect you anymore.

You raped the RTS custom map scene into irrelevance, then held a huge chunk of the videogame market for fifteen years. You made a community so massive, autistic and pissy that even the worst MMO addicts want nothing to do with you.

All you have to show for it today are a handful of free-to-play skinnerboxes that are getting less free by the month. And you can keep it. Enjoy.

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Anthony Torres
Anthony Torres

LoL became less P2W
Dota became more P2W
We live in strange times.

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Wyatt Nelson
Wyatt Nelson

Valve has gone full jew.
Yeah, like fucking years ago.

Bentley Hughes
Bentley Hughes

LoL became less P2W
How so? Last time I even touched that piece of garbage it had extremely cancerous shit like all new heroes costing a million ingame shekels and having to grind your dick off for runes you absolutely had to have to be competitive which were also purchased with said ingame shekels. And that was back in 2012.

Austin Nelson
Austin Nelson

not just ASSFAGGOTS
it's SUBSCRIPTION ASSFAGGOTS

What kind of fucked up timeline am i on?

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Tyler Perez
Tyler Perez

steam subscription when?

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Jayden Evans
Jayden Evans

caring about assfaggots

Furfags go and stay go.

Don't they already have that? Not valve-owned but ESEA.

Blake Moore
Blake Moore

To anyone who's actually played Dota for an extended period of time, does it ever get any better? I recall playing a few matches 3 years ago, and while I liked parts of the game itself the community was too ass for me to continue. Every fucking game we had two disconnects on either team and it got old, fast.

Ian Ramirez
Ian Ramirez

French
I said 'white' :^)
azns
Okay fine just Japan then. The only good thing about California is being able to play with nips while having a decent ping time, they act the same way people acted in the US during the '90s on the Internet before the mainstream turned it to shit.

Easton Flores
Easton Flores

giving advice to folks based on shit you can already look up and people already subscribe to religiously
P2W
Holy shit for all the
assfaggots lel
it's really obvious how many are just asshurt league players
I haven't touched the game in years but I'm not going to dirt talk it in a dumbass fashion. In fact, LoL is a shitfest, HotS is horrible, HoN was mismanaged but DotA is still fucking DotA and back when you were playing it on WC3 (or, for those who weren't just turned off by the difficulty curve compared to other AOS clones) you weren't fucking complaining and were having yourself a jolly time.
But hey nu/v/ loves to be contrarian and hate volvo for any reason they can. Is vlelve some shining example of good behavior or non-semitic practices? HAHA no. But continually dunking on DotA like this shit is the problem… Way to show how underage you really are.

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Jordan King
Jordan King

You could have saved us you fat fuck, instead you chose this. Our only hope is that drolan blumph cracks down on violent video games and has this fat jew crucified.

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David Nelson
David Nelson

This.

Noah Wood
Noah Wood

4 dollar per month subscription for fucking statistics, random cosmetic crap and voicelines
adds fucking nothing
subtracts fucking nothing except pocket change from the pockets of tryhards
And here I thought something actually happened.

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Brayden Myers
Brayden Myers

I can't believe we've reached a point where the Korean p2w industry seems good. At least they still don't try to charge you 60 bucks upfront for their mircopayment filled shit.

Thomas Cox
Thomas Cox

Gaben announces a subscription service
Gaben's face when

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Asher Bennett
Asher Bennett

Never?

Lincoln Perry
Lincoln Perry

Well, it IS the problem, jewish, money grubbing bullshit like this is the bane of the industry. Not to mention that valve is an all-around shit company, most of their games were outsourced, and the only reason they cornered the distribution market was due to their early entry into it, rather than their service being genuinely good. They are on the same level as any other big name jew company out there. This is only icing on the shit-cake of the jewry that is valve.

We can refuse to talk about it, but what good would that do? It's still there, and people keep eating it up.

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David Reyes
David Reyes

sperging out this hard
You truly have the spirit of autism about you.

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Lucas Edwards
Lucas Edwards

Valve has gone full jew
Doesn't the game already have paid mods?

Ryder Brooks
Ryder Brooks

another layer of spreadsheets
that you pay for
Spreadsheets ruin games and make everything even more predictable. From builds to picks.
Why would anyone get this ?

Ryder Clark
Ryder Clark

Not even fucking league of legends reached this levels of jewery.
I gave up dota years ago but it saddens me to see the game turning into this mess instead of dying with dignity

Christian Edwards
Christian Edwards

paying for basic game knowledge
Shameful display, I'd call anyone admiting paying for this in game a retard

Also no one here realizes on what level of jewery this is made in. There are dozens of third party software for dota that does this, dota plus is valve's attempt to monopolize this market. And everyone will buy it, because people playing the game think they'll magically get more good boy rank points if they pay for stuff it takes 3 seconds to figure out:
you took a shitload of damage from this source in case you didnt notice
here's a list of counter picks you can find on dotabuff for free
etc

Connor Torres
Connor Torres

The amount of misplaced smug from people not actually reading what the subscription actually does is phenominal. Falling for OP clickbait as usual though.

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Evan Cox
Evan Cox

paying for achievements
wasn't dota2 pretty competitive with lol at one point? how did valve fuck up this badly?
22020: annual suicide fee to avoid being resurrected by ashkenazi geneomancers

Nicholas Young
Nicholas Young

Oh yeah. They've wanted this to be a LoL clone for a long ass time. Completely missing the point that the core userbase likes it precisely for the things about it that AREN'T like LoL. Glad I quit a year ago. The game used to be great but they ruined it trying to appeal to a larger audience that will most likely never materialize. Rot in hell Valve.

Brayden Taylor
Brayden Taylor

introducing p2w when 99% of your fanbase are poor slavs or huemonkeys
AAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Cooper Long
Cooper Long

AXAXAXAXAXA
HUEHUEHUEHUE

Hudson Rogers
Hudson Rogers

DotA has gone full retard. We know. It's been that way for a while.

This, honestly.

Whenever I see those challenges I want to smack Valve for incentivizing players to obsess over shit that doesn't help the team win.

James Wood
James Wood

OK then newfag.

Thomas Bennett
Thomas Bennett

and i just reinstalled yesterday. what a piece of shit game

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Samuel Russell
Samuel Russell

Not five years ago this company was the most loved company in gaming.
Life comes at you fast.

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Jack Jenkins
Jack Jenkins

If you're so stupid you're willing to do monthly payments for achievements and cosmetics, you deserve wasting your money.

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Colton Sanchez
Colton Sanchez

If you're so stupid you willingly play Dota 2 you deserve it.

Kayden Young
Kayden Young

So what's so crazy here exactly? There have been games with subscription models just to play, with items to pay for that offer a much more substantial benefit since forever.
Oh, but this is Valve! That makes it special!
The worst thing they did with this is locking easy accessibility behind a paywall.
Can't wait for the next thing they try to squeeze money out of idiots with just to have this hysterical song and dance all over again.
Give this game up already, better yet give up on this company and let them run everything they own into the ground. It's unhealthy.

Benjamin White
Benjamin White

Because subscriptions are cancer and always have been, even going back to WoW.

Ryder Taylor
Ryder Taylor

It may be a fallacy, but it's true - the slippery slope is real. They're just going to keep locking stuff that used to be free behind paywalls. Look at CS:GO, where sprays cannot be custom anymore and yoi have to either find them or unbox them from lootcrates. Look at TF2, CSGO again, or Dota where you cannot simply download a skin off of gamebanana, since most custom skins are either disallowed or cannot be done. It's only going to get worse. Hell, im pretty sure you can't even change the music in CSGO without buying a 'music pack'

Angel Taylor
Angel Taylor

The slippery slope is not a fallacy when there's precedent to believe otherwise.

Jonathan Watson
Jonathan Watson

this is just a test, Steam PRO is next
have fun paying to play games in multiplayer

Jose Scott
Jose Scott

There's also only 1, rarely 2 teleports allowed per team, you'll get banned if you take it as a non-offlaner
release a new hero for the modest price of 975 riot good goy coins or 6300 bad goy dust
it's insanely broken for the first month
not pay 2 win though!

Nathan Miller
Nathan Miller

G-goyim, don't you know how expensive it is to… to run Steam servers? And we are giving you all these new features, like more stats and a discount on hats and and and you'll get an achievement for it!

Jackson Carter
Jackson Carter

I honestly can't tell if this is supposed to be a joke or not.

Logan Perry
Logan Perry

Not even fucking league of legends reached this levels of jewery.

That is mostly because league runs on shit tier engine and it can't do half the shit dota can. Don't you start saying the chinks aren't doing everything they can to make money.

Parker Martinez
Parker Martinez

Glad I stopped playing a few months ago
Out.

Thomas Carter
Thomas Carter

pay for death recap and post-game numbers
Doesn't every other ASSFAGGOTS give this information freely? Are Valvedrones this delusional?

Carter Adams
Carter Adams

They went full jew when they introduced trading cards and replaced all their fun sale events with "just give us more money plz"

James Rivera
James Rivera

I never felt any interest in dota or lol. everyone I know that plays them are usually gamer gurls XD or bazinga-tier numales.

Brandon Rodriguez
Brandon Rodriguez

All the new shit needs to be removed from dota. This game sucks since years now. The only good thing Valve did was Source 2.

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Jaxson Perez
Jaxson Perez

ranked trends
detailed death summary
item suggestions
hero pick suggestions
All already existing FOR FREE.

Dota isn't even Dota at this point. It's just turning into a copy of LoL. It used to be extremely fun because you could completely outplay others, destroy people, upset them and know you were the reason you won a game (No other game has given me this feeling). With all these new changes it feels like less of an accomplishment because you have less to think about now.

Don't forget Kaya, spell amplification and no more points in stats, dumbing down hard carries. Rod of Atos roots, diffusal blade no longer has charges or dispels…

i've never played lol: the post
You forgot to mention that a radiance can cancel blinks, which has zero equivalent in LoL.

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Noah Watson
Noah Watson

. You can't pick up a new spell midgame.
In the year 2018 you can with new rune. New Meta, baby.

Chase Long
Chase Long

It's just turning into a copy of LoL
It would be if dota rids of turn rates and reduces cooldowns by x10. Till then dot will remain that crippled little brother who can't run and speaks slowly.

Gavin Foster
Gavin Foster

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Angel Walker
Angel Walker

Old runes are gone. (lets be clear old runes were nothing but standard for (((f2p))) games stats boosts to rip your for money) Though champion grinding is a little slower. I guess lol didn't have new players anymore so nobody invested in getting runes, everyone had them already

Nathan Bennett
Nathan Bennett

they did remove runes and masteries and replace them with sttronger masteries call keystones

Austin Taylor
Austin Taylor

I said "less".

Joseph Roberts
Joseph Roberts

$60 game
For free
Blizzard drones everyone

Joshua Richardson
Joshua Richardson

mfw i haven't played dota2 since 2013

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Isaiah Moore
Isaiah Moore

woah, shit, are you serious?
bro let me suck your cock

Noah Smith
Noah Smith

faggot

Gabriel Phillips
Gabriel Phillips

Of all the relevant heroes, it's only core on Death Prophet
Octa is not the only way to reduce cooldowns anymore. Look at necro's ulti cd with scepter. Look at QoP's cooldowns, she can spam her ulti to farm creepwaves. Dota is about big fights, Enigma/Magnus style.

Adam Green
Adam Green

mfw I sold off all my cosmetics for a huge profit months ago

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Anthony Jenkins
Anthony Jenkins

Shit man I got a huge gallery of items earned just by playing but have no idea how to make them into shekels.

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Adrian Barnes
Adrian Barnes

holding off on suicide for as late as 2040
You're funny.

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Nathan Flores
Nathan Flores

twiceposting on Holla Forums
nice

Jason Rivera
Jason Rivera

a huge profit
Reminds me of those MLM retards.

Ethan Lopez
Ethan Lopez

all these useless features
people who pay for this will be called retards by the rest of the player base
retards will be 'separated' from the rest of the player base
Valve is just playing a 4D chess to improve the quality of the player base

Liam Brown
Liam Brown

improve the quality of the players base by making the game play itself
thats not how it works Valve

Leo Parker
Leo Parker

user, the fourth one… pudge got reskinned because people thought he was too gross.
And by people I mean (((people))).
And by (((people))) I mean Valve.

Benjamin Ramirez
Benjamin Ramirez

I like that steam just wormed in there that they've been storing data from games for a while to do this, but who does this help? Is this only for shitters who don't know how to counter pick and change their item and skill choices in the game?

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Isaiah Long
Isaiah Long

who does this help? Is this only for shitters who don't know how to counter pick and change their item and skill choices in the game?
Yes, that's 70% of the playerbase (below 3k)

Anthony Walker
Anthony Walker

I'm not defending Valve, but I saw this coming awhile ago. Valve pioneered the whole 'Loot box' thing in the west and now that they are becoming wildly unpopular and potentially legislated, Valve is shifting gears to a different form of monitization to keep it's cash cows productive. I'd expect something similar in CS:GO and TF2 soon and for Lootboxes to be phased out.

Say what you want about Valve, but they know how to keep their greed under the radar and the Triple A's taking their models and making them a firestorm of controversy is certainly making them uncomfortable. Between that and the third party 'Gambling' sites, it makes perfect sense for Valve to change gears to a different way to collect shekels.

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William Hughes
William Hughes

It can't even do that. It looks like it was developed by a woman that doesn't even play the game. All they had to do is copy overwolf and dotapicker and they'd be applauded, but it's pure shit. How hard is it to list counterpicks and builds? And make suggestions based on what you're good at or need to get good at?

Grayson Wood
Grayson Wood

To be fair, this is optional and probably doesn't even add anything worthwhile.

Liam Wilson
Liam Wilson

valve has no clue what they're doing.

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Jeremiah Rodriguez
Jeremiah Rodriguez

the absurdly massive decline in just these 2 months and a half this year

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Joshua Johnson
Joshua Johnson

Buy Game, Pay Subscription to play game, Lootboxes
That's Destiny 2, which is what? 2017?

Leo Mitchell
Leo Mitchell

it looks a lot worse if you zoom in.
I tried to be generous with the scale but it's hard to deny the trends.

Carson Morales
Carson Morales

Do you get paid?

Dominic Rodriguez
Dominic Rodriguez

It's a scam user.

Gabriel Torres
Gabriel Torres

I have around 2k hours in DOTA2 and I was thinking, is LoL any good?

how similar / different is it to DOTA?

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Leo Morgan
Leo Morgan

Why don't you play the free game and find out?

Brandon Morgan
Brandon Morgan

Because I would like to know the opinion of people who played both before I invest my time in to it.

Luke Sanders
Luke Sanders

It's a dota clone, what do you think?

Hudson Russell
Hudson Russell

I doubt they are identical

Lucas Bell
Lucas Bell

Generally I'd say LoL is the worse game, the biggest part is that there's far less room for comebacks, is far more about who has the bigger numbers, and no strategy other than who wins the teamfights.

Kayden Garcia
Kayden Garcia

Remember when /b/ was good?
Me neither

Chase Martin
Chase Martin

It's stupidly simple compared to Shoah 2 and the rigid structure you're supposed to follow with items, leveling and general play kills any fun you could have through experimentation. The only thing I can really give it credit for is the weird-ass gimmicks that make each character unique. Either stick with your monthly good goy fee or do the smart thing and stop playing ASSFAGGOTS completely.

Adrian Cox
Adrian Cox

moving from one repetitive ASSFAGGOTS to the next
You should probably consider suicide

Joshua Davis
Joshua Davis

I can see "profitable engagement" becoming a new "NEED A DISPENSER HERE" kinda spam

Christopher Taylor
Christopher Taylor

repetitive
nigger, what are you talking about? You think it's repetitive because you get your ass kicked in every match you play?

Jason Adams
Jason Adams

It's not our fault shit games have degenerated your standards to the point where you think assfaggots have potential to not be repetitive

Matthew Kelly
Matthew Kelly

degenerated your standards
Name me good games. I bet all the games you name will suck dick.

Ayden Taylor
Ayden Taylor

It's like playing dota for retards
no denies meaning melees get shat on by ranged in lane
only one set up of solo top (offlane), afk farmer in the jungle, assassin or a mage nuker mid, tardwrangler support and a retard rightclicker AD carry
Core cannot be left alone for a second because he'll immediately die to a gank.
They hid his guts in because b& in China.
2nd top pick is a disgusting jew animal who's more greedy than alchemist.

Liam Rodriguez
Liam Rodriguez

how similar / different is it to DOTA?
Its much better because has less of artificial difficulty, artificial limits for skill what result in much more responsive and fluid gameplay.

But even after removing runes grind it is still too grindy. Only recommend if you are planning to buy account. Also LoL policy of balancing via "nerf everything" means that is guaranteed that your playstyle would be hit with nerfhammer to the ground dozen times, it is very frustrating.

John Ross
John Ross

artificial difficulty
not having all the runes and hero at the start is real difficulty
and a game that removed everything fun about the original Dota Allstars is the reason why the genre turned to shit.
DOTA2 atleast tried to stay true to the orginal despite failing horribly.
fuck pendragon, the fucking jew destroyed the original dota allstar forum and stole the content for LoL introducing stolen concepts as fresh and original.

Matthew Nelson
Matthew Nelson

I honestly dont care. This is ony useful for shit players. Even then all this info is on dotabuff.com. Its paying to get slightly better.

Kayden Miller
Kayden Miller

see for yourself

Oliver Powell
Oliver Powell

if dota is trash lol is one of those Indian tent cities inside garbage dumps.
pay for heroes
rigid cult like adherence to meta so if you deviate you get reported and banned
less fluid game play
hero design and balance is worse

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Zachary Bennett
Zachary Bennett

i liked it when a dude got banned for randoming (game feature) during a match with one of the devs/admins on the team.

Austin Price
Austin Price

its just some useless info and skins isn't it? it gives no tactical advantage whatsoever as all the info on builds is found online

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Jayden Collins
Jayden Collins

my friend would keep randoming so we would get him reported to ditch him in low prio so we could actually play. we tilted him so hard once he abandoned and 15 min later sent one of us a 12 paragraph tirade of pure salt. it was the funniest thing i had ever read.
its pay to win in sub 2k trash mmr. some of my friends got it cause their retards and the actual suggestions are really bad. considering community guides are still a thing theres really no reason to use it unless you are a legit brainlet.

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Jordan Turner
Jordan Turner

community guides
Patented (((Mickey Cohen))) LC guides will ensure your legion commander will have godlike 10 damage from duels 30 minutes in.

Owen Brown
Owen Brown

a "chat wheel" that sounds suspiciously like a tool to phase out all typed chat messages so nobody can be mean to each other
It's mainly to serve as your only line of communication with the 4 russians on your team.

John Clark
John Clark

That there's no "Cyka Blyat!" flavor text is evidence the devs have no souls.

Logan Lewis
Logan Lewis

How does this game constantly find new lows.

Connor Garcia
Connor Garcia

They will never recover. The community has broken the line between trash talking toxic and flat out game-ruining toxic.

David Lee
David Lee

archive.fo/98Fe1
TI8 is going to be in Canada

Landon Cooper
Landon Cooper

toxic
This ain't LoL get your faggot term out of here.

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Isaiah James
Isaiah James

Then substitute it for whatever you call someone intentionally feeding down mid because they're mad.

Jace Parker
Jace Parker

Hilarious?

Brandon Cox
Brandon Cox

It's funny the first couple times, then after a while it's just a gigantic waste of time where you're stuck in a game for +20 minutes waiting for the other team to end.

Julian Brooks
Julian Brooks

He can't make mad feeder backfire by getting more gold from shut downs.

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Liam Phillips
Liam Phillips

Does anyone else have more fun in low priority? I keep abandoning my ranked games out of boredom, and LP is supposed to be punishing, but the players have always been more competent and less passive-aggressive.

Andrew Peterson
Andrew Peterson

Isn't shutdown a league term? Also that could be legit strategy but I think I'm better off without getting back into dota

Dylan Parker
Dylan Parker

as oppose to fucking "ended"

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Carter Bell
Carter Bell

Funny thing about this claim is that I dont remember the last time someone fed mid due to spite outside of some fucktard Lina at low prio(Which was about a year or two ago.).It seems that period is dead,atleast at my non-ranked tier.

Though shitfits where faggot challenges another nigger to solomid with him or tells other people to check his account to stop shitting on him is fucking funny in hindsight.
Depends,on the one hand you have to win to get out of low prio now,forcing you to either get shit done,form a stack or stop being a faggot.Basically there's more on the line,thus less bullshit and more reason for everyone to not be a cunt.

Wiser players tend to do this but I do notice the lows being a lot lower.Not everyone down there is there for connectivity issues or simple quitting after all,feeders and other such scum get thrown down trench like the rest.
Rank is always shit so I don't see why you wouldn't have fun elsewhere and before the change low prio was actually incredibly chill(it still is chill with the right people but people act like faggots a lot more) but thats another matter in it's entirety.
Isn't shutdown a league term?
I sincerely hope you're being ironic.

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Carter Ortiz
Carter Ortiz

Leafs are hosting TI this year
This should be interesting

Joseph Richardson
Joseph Richardson

For the love of god go back to reddit or halfchan or whatever shithole you crawled out of.
What purpose is there in coming here and making it exactly as shitty as it was on the site you came from? Either integrate or fuck off, you subhuman refugees.

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Justin Davis
Justin Davis

toxic
How are people in an online game poisonous?
/suicide/index.html
/cuckchan/index.html

Ayden Bell
Ayden Bell

<<Isn't shutdown a league term?
<I sincerely hope you're being ironic.
In the context he was using it in. In dota shutdown always meant shutting down the lategame heroes before it could spiral out of control. In league they use shutdown for ending streaks. I don't even think league has a concept of lategame.

Andrew Stewart
Andrew Stewart

The same way they're cancerous.

Asher Hernandez
Asher Hernandez

image
>people are still bulling me over that

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Adrian Ortiz
Adrian Ortiz

toxic
Just say asshole like a normal person. You don't need to use stupid terms to get around swearing here.

Jacob Morales
Jacob Morales

There is a difference between being toxic and being an asshole. Nothing wrong with swearing or even griefing. You act like a total ass and make everyone lose their mind? Cool. You are a whinny faggot who starts bitching because he didn't get his way? You are a faggot.

Zachary Ortiz
Zachary Ortiz

I thought toxic was more specific on what kind of asshole. Game ruining, as opposed to just talking shit.

Austin Evans
Austin Evans

Then just say faggot. People who use the term "toxic" are usually pansies who get upset when people act mean during a game of ASSFAGGOTS.
I would think asshole covers both fairly nicely, but you could always just use the term "griefer" if it doesn't.

Connor Anderson
Connor Anderson

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Connor Collins
Connor Collins

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Christian Phillips
Christian Phillips

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Samuel Johnson
Samuel Johnson

I opened up the game to see what was new. The facebook tier feed was full of randos on my friend list who unironically bought that shit. It took me about a second to think, "scam, waste of money."
<Paying for free games, lmao

Jose White
Jose White

How the mighty have fallen.

Isaac Diaz
Isaac Diaz

download dota again to grief niggers
"you must play 100 matches before you can play ranked"
the absolute state of assfaggots
what other games are good for griefing rn?

Isaac Russell
Isaac Russell

the absolute state of assfaggots
You say that like it's a good thing. I admit, I grief too, but to be completely honest, griefing is a shit thing too and it's good that devs try to prevent griefing. Well, at least in games like Dota.
what other games are good for griefing rn?
No game is good to grief. Every game is full of retarded normalfags who play so fucking bad they don't even realize that you are griefing them. You can pretend to be the biggest retard in history, some nigger will play even worse than you.

Carson Flores
Carson Flores

what other games are good for griefing rn?
DotA 2. You simply become one of the top players in the game and troll professional players.

James Price
James Price

pic related
This, I'd happily sell my items I collected from when the game was good and I played it.
FUCK LEAGUE THEY NERFED VEIGAR RIGHT AFTER I DECIDED I LIKED HIM. THEY NERFED HIM AND REMOVED HIS MAIN ITEM.
I tried that game just to see how it was, decided veigar was pretty fun given he can generate salt with the R button, but not a few days after I installed they cucked him.

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Alexander Gutierrez
Alexander Gutierrez

valve becomes more jewish
Well it's not like they were going to get less.
Fred diddled this.

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Daniel Thomas
Daniel Thomas

Well it's not like they were going to get less.
There is no way around this, he has to please his shareholders. It will only get worse from now on.

Oliver Sanders
Oliver Sanders

pay monthly to grind
Jews gonna jew. Anyone who buys into this deserves absolutely everything they get.

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Asher Morris
Asher Morris

2015: Buy Licence, Lootboxes
2020: Buy Licence, Pay Subscription to play game, Lootboxes
2030: Pay Subscription to get Licence, Pay Subscription to play Game, Lootboxes
2040: Pay for Suicide
fixed

Samuel Brown
Samuel Brown

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Ryan Perez
Ryan Perez

The stock market is cancer, and it was a foolish decision to base an economy on instability and constant expectations of growth.

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Adrian Ramirez
Adrian Ramirez

But valve is privately owned.

Austin Martinez
Austin Martinez

So Gabe is just a gigakike then?

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Connor Johnson
Connor Johnson

Maybe. But I hear Valve is a clique hivemind these days. Combine that with the fact employees get paid based on how much value they add to the company. It looks to me like it's just new blood sucking the dick of what remains of the old employees and doing the bare minimum to get paid extra.

Adam Adams
Adam Adams

I think that Gabe himself is a okay dude, but his team sucks dick. He definitely hired some sjw soyboys and also a bunch of kikes.

Jace Morales
Jace Morales

You're preaching to to the deaf and stupid
This place has been long overrun by edgy Redditors and cuckchanners.
It's no longer about discussing and finding good vidya and shitting on AAA kike garbage.
It's about discussing how bad and kiked shit games are while actually playing them.

Every attempt at trying to discuss a good game will immediately be met with shill accusations.
Holla Forums has become a huge fucking cancerous shithole and that's quite an accomplishment considering how bad 2016 and 2017 were.

Try to discuss anyt game outside a general, I fucking dare you.

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Charles Kelly
Charles Kelly

Excuse me…but we don't have a dota general in here, please kindly I ask you to remove yourself from this place. You don't belong here. Ty.

David Murphy
David Murphy

Yes, yes very interesting, but where are the proofs of what you say?

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Nathaniel Garcia
Nathaniel Garcia

He didn't say that. What I interpreted is this thread is an example of anons just wanting to bitch about how shit of a game dota is while playing it. Then went on to talk about how even discussing good games will get shut down. The only reason he mentioned generals was because that's the only place you can talk about games without rampant shitposting.

It's somewhat true but for all I know it could be an he's mad some shit game like dishonored is met with shitposts.

Hudson Cox
Hudson Cox

It's somewhat true but for all I know it could be an he's mad some shit game like dishonored is met with shitposts.

Don't you see how hypocritical that is? How do you expect good moderation if in two different paragraphs you demand two different things from hotpockets?

Ryder Scott
Ryder Scott

But what he stated is mostly factually incorrect.
Nobody here plays big company games aside form multiplayer ones that have been around forever.
Shilling accusation only happen around release and many a times its true.
I have two guesses, he is either buttblasted that somebody had criticisms to some /vee/ "classic" like Morrowind or he is fresh mad from the KCD threads which was indeed a shitshow not only because of fucking cuckchan niggers but also shills, including the cycles' OP.
The real issue with the board right now is a new wave of cuckchan (although in the past weeks it seems to have calmed down) and mark going absolutely nuclear with his terrible moderation even banning funposting.

Jayden Carter
Jayden Carter

иди нахуй

Camden Wright
Camden Wright

I didn't say anything about moderation. It's more of a community issue at this point.

Colton Rodriguez
Colton Rodriguez

Nobody here plays big company games aside form multiplayer ones that have been around forever.
Dishonored gets the occasional thread still, although I have to admit. I've been on and off Holla Forums lately, so maybe it died down.

Alexander Foster
Alexander Foster

Dishonored
Last time a saw a thread it was making fun of the second game's DLC.

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Chase Ward
Chase Ward

What's wrong with dishonored?

Ian Bailey
Ian Bailey

It's prob bait, but off the top of my head:
Forced story cutscenes with unlikable characters. Stealth is ruined by broken abilities (the most OP of which they give you at the start of the game). The game is so broken that the only way the devs could balance it is to make playing it the most tedious and boring way possible the encouraged way that gave you the good ending. Something that just reeks of lazy/bad design and incompetence on the devs part.

Every time I try to play it something pisses me off about it and I quit. The first time I played it I abused the blink ability so hard it felt like I was playing with cheats. Later I tried multiple times to play it without the abilities, but something always makes me want to shut it off. I always feel like I have to design the rules for myself, as to not break the game and not have a tedious crawl-fest, which is the #1 thing that ruins stealth games. It doesn't feel like breaking into a place that requires you to be sneaky, rather, you're putting the limitations on yourself to not breeze through it.

The very last time I tried to play it I just couldn't stand the art style. It looks good in shit cutscenes and on ads, but it's painful to play with. Things blend together and it gives me the same feeling I get when I play with low FOV. Thief does pretty much everything better. Even the fast-paced stealth, since you can run most of the time in Thief if you're good enough.

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Caleb Butler
Caleb Butler

dont forget ALL THE FUCKING SMG CRATES
we've found our playtesters to be literally retarded and we deleted this path because someone too retarded to navigate a maze somehow got into our offices and played the game

Anthony Sanders
Anthony Sanders

play on hard
turn off hud
That's about it for me making rules. I don't see where you're coming from with all that shit. It just sounds like muh vee hates games mentality

Logan Adams
Logan Adams

OP abilities are OP. But if Dishonored would not exist some just MUST make one. To make "teleports behind you" meme real. To make an incarnation of absolutely unstoppable assassin real.

Cameron Hall
Cameron Hall

I'm not really into Reddit, but why is it a shithole?

Dylan Myers
Dylan Myers

t. newfag from reddit

Carson Brown
Carson Brown

So you flat out ignore the stealth aspect all together?

Aiden Myers
Aiden Myers

Come on dude, don't you fucking want to answer my question or what?

Liam Russell
Liam Russell

It's the cancer that ruins the internet, to long to explain. There is a lot wrong with them, but one thing is that they introduce normalfags to the internet.

Isaiah Jones
Isaiah Jones

I've never been to reddit too and I genuinely have almost no idea what they actually do.

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Jordan Morales
Jordan Morales

holy shit did LoL just rip off WC3 abomination model? its like 90% same

Ethan Long
Ethan Long

holy shit did LoL just rip off WC3 abomination model? its like 90% same
No that's pudge from dota 2. The guy who balanced the WC3 dota mod, icefrog, was brought on valve for dota 2 wouldn't let them change anything, so the models look as close as the WC3 models as legally possible. They didn't really start to become different from WC3 until way later. There was even a bit of drama where a valve employee anonymously complained about how the company was becoming worse and the dota 2 team was being cucked by icefrog. There was some speculation it was a Riot employee who did that to stall dota 2s start, but judging how he was spot on about the company devolving, it's probably legit.

The picture is to show how Riot employees are completely wrong about having ugly models since pudge is ugly as fuck and one of the most played heroes in dota.

Blake Scott
Blake Scott

look, it's tf2 all over again. this truly is maxjew

Tyler Wright
Tyler Wright

how did they get away with calling a character 'windrunner'? that's directly lifted from warcraft.

is it just that it's a generic enough name that it's exempt?

basically what i'm asking is, how can we kill dota?

Robert Jones
Robert Jones

They changed windrunner to windranger. They also changed skeleton king to wraith king. Dota is effectively dead in the countries that matter and it's bleeding players.

League of Legends is the problem.

Connor Anderson
Connor Anderson

Dota 2 isn't a "spiritual successor" like hon or lol, its a literal port to Source and just dodging legal shit from Blizzard who are still assblasted that they lost the rights.

Eli Kelly
Eli Kelly

how can we kill dota?
League of Legends is the problem.
What's killing those games going to accomplish? You want the people who play these games to join other games?

Jonathan Walker
Jonathan Walker

Blizzard lawyers couldn't, it's up to valve.
They only forced a gag order over skeleton king and the official reason for change being (((pressing ceremonial reasons)))
Kind of like that Polish lemonade got a 6 months gag order from Yoko ono when she forced them to change name from "John Lemon" to "On Lemon"
pretty much this.

Ryder Howard
Ryder Howard

I want the people who play these games to kill themselves.

Eli Williams
Eli Williams

kill dota
That impossible. Like CS these games have earned an autistic following that will never die. Even today people are still playing the WC3.

Cooper Jones
Cooper Jones

i've been there a few times, searching for source materials of various types. it's basically this place except way more circle jerk-y, more censure, more shitposting, less discussion and less shittalking. that's because they rely on an up/downvote system. imagine this thread except everyone only looks at the top 10 posts which are essentially posts made within the first few hours, that people have up-voted. then imagine a bunch of "quirky", circle-jerk type replies to those top posts from attention whores who just want to be in the spotlight (hence shitposting) and that one essentially invisible guy at the bottom that sperged out (possibly just calling out a false upvoted reply) who is now invisible because of his downvotes. it can be useful if you need to track something down since scrolling through the upvoted posts sometimes nets results but i can't imagine how people use that crap daily. at least not for communication. if you just look at pictures there instead of 9gag or whatever the fuck else, then i guess i see the appeal but i don't understand why anyone would want to use that as a communications platform.

Kayden Cox
Kayden Cox

Well league is owned by a chinese company that is actively trying to monopolize the game industry and ruin it even further, so if it died that'd be a victory all around. But you're right. If this cancer dies, that doesn't mean that something good will come of it. The only thing that can cure it now is another crash, which wont happen.

Isaiah Parker
Isaiah Parker

it's a lot like this place except it's not
well ok

Eli Young
Eli Young

Im guessing format??

Brody Ward
Brody Ward

well, i meant structure-wise. they have threads and stuff
yeah, exactly

Levi Bell
Levi Bell

It's very similar in format but the main difference is the upvote system which leads to conformity of opinion and discussion where only the things the majority of people agree with are really seen. Other than that and the presence of accounts and karma the format is actually quite similar. in fact you could turn on tree view here and it will look incredibly similar.

Adam Butler
Adam Butler

Reddit is beyond redemption, at this point it's only good for amateur porn. On top of all the other shit, like mods being shit, It's a shill heaven with ads and crap mixed into normal posts.

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Gavin Wood
Gavin Wood

main difference is the upvote system
there is more than just that, comments go through filters before they are actually posted, certain words are banned and if you use them your post get's hidden and has to be checked by a mod before it's visible for others. New accounts are also hit by spam filters a lot, preventing people from making alt accs.

Kevin Martinez
Kevin Martinez

That's more of a difference in moderation than the actual format.

Josiah Martin
Josiah Martin

some of those filters are built into the site, so they are a part of the format. Even if you create your own sub, and you are the admin of that sub, you can't allow certain content. Like if a new acc submits something to a group you own, it's still hit by the filter and only visible after you allow it by hand.

Reddit's format was only good back then when the site was created, things were very different back then, but basically since the gg thing started reddit is total cancer.

Hunter Hernandez
Hunter Hernandez

You forgot to mention shadow banning.

David Foster
David Foster

Holla Forums is for video games, it's a video game.

Gabriel Gutierrez
Gabriel Gutierrez

You forgot to mention that killing people gives you a bad ending, then only gives you sleeping darts (which are rare) and a choke hold for non-lethal options. The game punishes you for using more than half your arsenal, and even punishes you for making use of the environmental options (cutting down speakers, using walls of light, using whale oil, etc.)
Just because it's a video game doesn't mean it deserves discussion. Rocket League and Revolution 60 are both games, but you'd have a better time finding snow in hell than trying to start a decent discussion about them here.

Adam Martin
Adam Martin

You forgot to mention that killing people gives you a bad ending, then only gives you sleeping darts (which are rare) and a choke hold for non-lethal options. The game punishes you for using more than half your arsenal, and even punishes you for making use of the environmental options (cutting down speakers, using walls of light, using whale oil, etc.)
I don't remember tranq darts being rare. I think you could even buy the damn things. I kinda implied all that though through: The game is so broken that the only way the devs could balance it is to make playing it the most tedious and boring way possible the encouraged way that gave you the good ending. Something that just reeks of lazy/bad design and incompetence on the devs part.
Although, I suppose I should go more into detail. Not just general statements. Bringing up all that shit just reminds me of how Thief did it better. You could use everything, even the weapons. The sword for cutting down banners to find secrets, using mines to blow up machines or zombies/creatures depending on what game.

I mean fuck. Even stealth in Dark Messiah, the previous game made by the studio behind Dishonored, you could use everything, such as environmental kills, and even make a hybrid stealth character if you wanted.

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Jackson Sullivan
Jackson Sullivan

And what qualifies as "deserving to be discussed"?

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Carson Myers
Carson Myers

Just because it's a video game doesn't mean it deserves discussion. Rocket League and Revolution 60 are both games, but you'd have a better time finding snow in hell than trying to start a decent discussion about them here.
Any video game belongs on Holla Forums even Undertale.

Noah Wood
Noah Wood

In fact fuck you I'm going to make an Undertale thread because I want to take about vidya on the video games board.

Carson Howard
Carson Howard

Correctest post itt

Eli Diaz
Eli Diaz

Apparently (((Mark))) doesn't agree.

Aiden Myers
Aiden Myers

And what qualifies as "deserving to be discussed"?
Not Dota that's for sure.

Ryder Cruz
Ryder Cruz

So you get to decide?

Jaxson Nguyen
Jaxson Nguyen

The nose knows

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Nathaniel Perez
Nathaniel Perez

It's like if someone added the ability for anons to permanently rate you up or down as a poster, it's terrible.

Daniel Diaz
Daniel Diaz

What a miraculous feat of PMA.

Ian Perry
Ian Perry

IDs are basically the same thing on a per-thread basis though.

Jackson Nguyen
Jackson Nguyen

The problem with playing a game like that is it wasn't designed for playing with no hud so you end up fighting the control system and UI.

Juan Robinson
Juan Robinson

lol i saw that yesterday

leo is really coming into his own. i still wish he wouldn't be such a faggot and upload his raw streams

Nathan Rodriguez
Nathan Rodriguez

That bloodseeker running away at 7:20 instead of letting his teammate deny him tells me that this is a very low mmr game. It's usually the case for youtube videos like that.
lol i saw that yesterday
was it that stream or a previous one where he called the any roamers "two faggits who camp mid all day long"?

Nathaniel Morris
Nathaniel Morris

upload his raw streams
That takes a lot of balls though.

Christian Price
Christian Price

he used to do it. he made a video recently explaining why he doesn't anymore and his reasoning was that he didn't want people seeing how toxic he was getting in some of the games, since that what his channel isn't supposed to represent.

Jeremiah Anderson
Jeremiah Anderson

Did he actually use the word toxic? Please say no.

Jayden Price
Jayden Price

He uses it all the time, but he also gets people who run down mid and ruin the game constantly. I mean fuck, BH almost destroyed his items in that game.

Adrian Brooks
Adrian Brooks

what's wrong with saying toxic? Some people are total cancer.

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