Islam and Imperialism

Do you think that the fundamentalist nature of Islam is only caused by imperialism? How would a socialist criticism of Islam look like?

Imperialism definitely lead to Islamic fundamentalism. HOWEVER, these Islamist groups wouldn't be as big as they are without some form of popular support. Israel funded Hamas to offset the PLO and PFLP, sure, but they also have a lot of support from Palestinians in Gaza (not so much in the West Bank but that's a different story). Same thing with ISIS: the kids running off to Syria to join them aren't being forced to do so, they're doing it because they truly agree with their batshit ideology. Being disenfranchised doesn't help, but you have to ask why these Muslim youth are so turned on by Islamic fundies rather than by their local communist parties.

I think a socialist criticism of Islam would focus on how Islam was essentially cobbled together after the Arab Empire was formed. There's no evidence Islam itself pre-dates the Arab Caliphate. Oh hell, the Qur'an itself wasn't written down until 100 years after Muhammad is said to have died. Islam definitely has a political orientation to it. Zakat is a form of class collaborationism, and Muhammad himself (according to Hadith) was essentially a proto-Mises.

wahhabi/salafi ideology is basically advanced capitalist nihilism in an islamic context

It's a reactionary ideology more compatible with capitalism than most others. While a lot of the ME is victim to imperialism, simply being a victim isn't a strong enough case for support.

It predates imperialism by quite a lot.
Nevertheless, imperialism makes things worse. Don't know exactly how much tho.

Muhammad was a successful merchant who became a pope-king. This wouldn't mean much except for the fact that Muslims view him as a perfect example for all human beings of all times and places to follow. Islam isn't a historicism for them but a hardcore, eternal truth.

We can say, "YEAH BUT there are Christians and Jews who believe similar things!" but we're not talking about fundie Christians or fundie Jews here. NO ONE on this board believes Christianity or Judaism possesses a guideline for human emancipation.

Because they suck? Communist parties today are a fucking joke.

This. Who would you rather join if you were alienated af and hadn't ascended past spooks? An identitarian party, of course! Appeal to emotion works, and it works damn well, and that's where we miserably fail nowadays.

It's easy to just say "they suck" after they get routinely persecuted and attacked with the help of cold-war crazed western governments

Lol you cucks are never going to learn.

Debatable. While this is definitely said, it's also said in contradiction to it that the only perfect, sinless human being was Jesus, and in other places it's asserted that you're not to differentiate/moralize between any of god's messengers.

Anyway, my point is these truths aren't as immutable as you say and focus and emphasis can be shifted along with culture.

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That's no excuse for sucking. In fact, it's the exact opposite, it makes it actually worse. They've been corrupted and beaten into submission, when not subversed by literal alphabet soups.

I mean it's the same excuse we have for the IWW in the west.

Islam allows proselytization, just like Christianity, so it is in is nature to spread itself.
The problem with the middle east is Iran ruined communism by showing that there was an alternative way of revolution that wasn't some sterile godless ideology invented by a German.
Personally im against all the religions of Abraham

no

The IWW having been weak is excusable due to the extraordinary strength of the American hog class, but it doesn't excuse their SJW-pandering faggotry.

It kind of does. When the strong willed, goal oriented factions are dispelled and killed then there's a vacuum left to be filled by whatever idiotic, ineffectual newcomer wants to fill it.

Muhammad was an illiterate pedophile who had voices in his head telling him to destroy everyone who doesnt follow islam.
This reality will never be discussed by western leftists who are too scared to be critical of non white people and do everything in their power to shit on jesus and Christianity, even though jesus was a Jewish virgin who called himself the prince of peace and told people to turn the other cheek and that rich people would have a very hard time getting into heaven.

Muhammad literally died because some Jewish woman who he captured as a war bride got revenge on him for killing all of her people by poisoning him


All in all the more you actually read about islam the more garbage you find out it is

Spoken like a true expert.
Now, that I can agree with.

Islam is trash tier

Half the shit you said isn't even undisputed canon, and the historicity of mohammed isn't very solid anyway.

This is some extra retarded analysis. Even a cursory glance tells you that no modern christian nation has followers who believe that "rich people would have a hard time getting into heaven" or to "turn the other cheek". Why the fuck shouldn't christianity be shit on just because the version christians believe isn't recognizable to the "real christianity" (read: your christianity that everyone else should agree with or else)

islamic economics are very interesting. I attached some screen shots from a book about Islamic law.

Apparently wages are forbidden and a person is entitled to 100% of the labor.

uhhhh, i believe you are forgetting a little place called THE FUCKING VATICAN.

And uhhh, i think you are forgetting that western nations arent theocracies because we arent morons like the sand people

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kek. isis/daesh is definitely not a representation of islam.those guys are lunatics. but at its core islam is against capitalism it seems

Did you know that Muslims used to treat all non Muslims as second class citizens, they were called dhimmies, this only ended when the mongols showed up and crushed every muslim they saw so hard they ended the Islamic golden age

Who cares, most christians aren't catholic and the vatican influences basically no policy worldwide even for catholic nations.

I love it when you spergs get challenged and just revert to the same tired idpol.

THEY'RE ALL RICH DUMBASS

I disagree. Just like Christianity isn't against Capitalism, it's the sacred scriptures (the Bible, and, in Islam's case, the Qur'an).
As a religion, in practice, Islam is perfectly fine with whatever system is currently dominating society, just like any other religion.

Proto-capitalist economies and free markets became active during the Islamic Golden Age where an early market economy and a form of merchant capitalism took root between the 8th–12th centuries.

A vigorous monetary economy developed, based on a widely circulated currency (the dinar) and on the integration of previously independent monetary areas.

Business techniques and forms of business organisation employed during this time included:

contracts
bills of exchange
long-distance international trade
forms of partnership (mufawada) such as limited partnerships (mudaraba)
forms of credit
debt
profit
loss
capital (al-mal)
capital accumulation (nama al-mal),[1][not in citation given]
circulating capital
capital expenditure
revenue
cheques,
promissory notes,[2]
trusts (see Waqf)
savings accounts
transactional accounts
pawning
loaning
exchange rates
bankers
money changers
ledgers
deposits
assignments
lawsuits[3]
Organizational enterprises independent from the state also existed in the medieval Islamic world, while the agency institution was also introduced

misleading. the prophet muhammad instructed Muslims to treat christians with respect and allow them to worship and not oppress them etc

no he didn't, that's not what they did and muslims don't treat anyone but each other with respect and spending even a short time in muslim company their hatred of outsiders becomes painfully obvious.

fair enough
I don't know. Excessive wealth is a sin as well as wages. Seems anti-capitalist to me. I'm trying to study economics from different religious texts. In modern times, the ruling class always twists religious for their own benefit though.

I am not going to wank of islam, but you are factually incorrect.

samefag here. my second point about 'modern times' is in reference to religion. because Jesus to his followers in christianity was against capitalism too.

every time

Most people don't get what the real problem with Islam is.

The real problem is that Saudi-Arabia is trying to spread their radical brand (Wahabism) throughout the world. They come with "investments" they do in the target countries and the worst thing of all, they are backed by the West.

There is a reason why Saudi Arabia is not on the Muslim ban list along with other gulf monarchies.

The thing is, I don't know any group, who is willing to address these issues, because such a group doesn't exist.

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Didn't Islamic markets become more mutual aid-based though?

In the West.

Most Muslims get extremely butthurt whenever Muhammad is attacked or criticized. Say anything you want about God (Allah) but don't you dare criticize the Prophet.

Islam is inherently communist.

t. pegida