So as we're all aware, "Nаtionаl Sociаlism" isn't actually socialism at all. However, is it even nationalist either...

So as we're all aware, "Nаtionаl Sociаlism" isn't actually socialism at all. However, is it even nationalist either? It literally relies on killing your "undesirable" countrymen.

It's nationalist social democracy.

Yeah pretty much

Nationalists hate their actual nations.

racial expansion, conquest, class collaboration etc

the national interest comes before all

class collaboration is a codeword for classcuckery

There are two types of nationalism. True national identity nationalism (which arguably America was founded on) and ethno-nationalism. Not Socialism is ethno-nationalism. The economics of Not Socialism are whatever is populist at the time, they don't have a defined agenda. Mostly centrist.

Nationalism is what porky wants it to be, its propaganda incarnate.

Also, I'm really proud that I've spent all this time not saying those two words that I didn't even know a filter existed

National Socialism was meant to be a softer form of the democratic socialism many European countries have now. Germany actually used broadly Keynsian economic policies (interestingly Keynes praised a state like Germany in one of his books and Oswald Mosley of the BUF was explicitly a Keynsian). In order to pay off the debt taken to fund their projects Germany sold off publically owned assets.

Nationalism in the Nazi sense was explicity tied to the Greek 'ethnos' meaning people or folk (volk in german).

Yes it is. The NSDAP wasn't socialism, in the same way the CPSU wasn't communism, but 'National Socialism' as a concept is still socialism.
Yes.
The NSDAP did that, but that's not a requirement for ethno-nationalism.

I personally think that communism is impossible without complete societal and cultural homogeneity, so I believe the best incubator for achieving true communism would be a non-interventionist, closed-border ethnic-nationstate in Northern Europe.

depends on your stance

Soon, fashy.

"national socialism isnt Not Socialism the post"
didnt know these levels of revisionism were possible and this is a board where the Holodomor is excused on the regular

It's Holla Forums, my man.

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The NSDAP was Socialism in the same way the CPSU was Communism.


Re-read my post again. I said that I believe that to be the best incubator for achieving true communism. True communism is a long-term goal, and what I provided was what I see as a potential long-term solution. If you'd like to debate the subject to hear my thoughts on the matter, and why I think that in such a society Socialism would be inevitable, which would lay a solid foundation for Communism, I'd be happy to elaborate.

Pretty much.

Define "hardline", because you're making an awful lot of assumptions here.

Belief in things like, for instance "complete societal and cultural homogeneity" and "a non-interventionist, closed-border ethnic-nationstate in Northern Europe."

I'm not in the humour of debating tbh.

I think I kind of understand where you're going with your idea of homogeneity though.

tbh the best way to establish communism in relation to race is to just abolish race already

Whats this guys name again?

That's the only way I see of realistically achieving a classless society that is compatible with what we know about human behavior and ethnic in-group preference.
No foreign intervention = no military industrial complex.
Immigration destroys homogeneity.


I'm talking about race as a continuum of phenotypes, not in the idpol way of "black" or "white". I'm curious as to how you would abolish that.

That doesn't make a lot of sense to me. Socialism is a classless society and the 3rd Reich clearly wasn't one. Even if they were left alone in peace times, they would never abolish capitalism.

That's exactly what I'm saying.

Hbomberguy

I think we'll do just fine without your "theories", Holla Forums.

yes very much so, you need to stop assuming that immigrants and ethnic minorities are considered countrymen or even human by nationalists. if you go look at the deportations and suppression of minorities in the USSR/PRC, all nationalism ends up like this. stop trying to separate it from what it is, there is no 'nice' nationalism or 'kind' state. It can't exist by the very nature of its function. The nation is an egregore that requires food and land to function. The state requires taxes and blood to function. They will never function in a way that is clean, benign and ideal. You will always be explaining away prison rape, corruption, murder-by-cop, ethnically motivated deportations, genocide, wars of aggression, illegitimate land claims, expansionism, civil war etc. Until you can enslave all humans on Earth using noosphere tech and a super powerful AI you are not going to be able to stop human evil from making use of the tools you provide for it. Every single socialist and anarchist regime has failed to stop these abuses of power or even to mitigate them at all. Venezuela is one of the most corrupt countries on earth, as is Cuba and China and Vietnam. Sweden and Norway are bourgeoisie imperialist states that make their money arming and peddling to the Global South, while participating in the EU debt casino that impoverishes that same global south. You will never find a clean state or nation. They're all stained with the blood of their citizens

I think we'll do just fine without your shit opinions, /r/socialism.

So are you saying that the NSDAP wasn't a socialist party, but that "NationalSocialism" is still socialism (like a classless society with closed borders)?

Okay then. Keep shilling the undeniable truth of your artifact ridden jpegs, Holla Forums.

The system I'm proposing would be Nationalism + Socialism, not "National Socialism" in the vein of the NSDAP which wasn't really Socialism. The NSDAP needs to be de-coupled from real Nationalism + Socialism in the same way the CPSU needs to be de-coupled from real Communism. No genocides, no wars, no exploitation of third-worlders, and jews are welcome.


Ayy, I was beginning to suspect you were a false flagging Holla Forumsyp. Thanks for confirming it.

Yeah, a much greater indicator of Holla Forums than hard ethnic nationalism. It's not like we called Clinton "Shillary" back during the election or anything.

Referring to any opinion you dislike as "shilling" is most definitely Holla Forums. Hell, one of my bans on 8/pol/ was for being a "jew shill" for interrupting the NEETsoc torture chamber and daring to post that "The Nazis really were the 'bad guys' in WW2" in a holocaust denial thread.

Kulaks deserved worse.

If jews are our countrymen then why do they see themselves as separate and superior? A jew identifies as a jew before anyone else, and will always side with the rest of jewry over the country he resides in.

A jew is nobody's countrymen but fellow jews.

It's the free market run amok.

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So, basically, Asserism

Then immediately says a homogeneous population would be preferable for change.


Why are Nazis so fucking retarded?
A cockroach will infest any house.

No, since they still wanted to genocide the jews 🍀🍀🍀micks🍀🍀🍀, and weren't for closed border non-interventionism which is what I'm advocating. Much like the right crams all neo-liberal viewpoints in the "leftist" box, you're attempting to do that with this propose leftist system you dislike, but are unable to debate.


You still aren't fitting in yet, reddit.

You can't say all [email protected]/* */ Sociаlists look up to Hitler the same way all communists look up to Stalin/Mao