What does Holla Forums think about dirigism?

What does Holla Forums think about dirigism?
We have planningfags and marketfags but I'm sure they could find a common ground in dirigism

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never heard of this. Sauce?

Elaborate

dirigism? like those big-ass blimps and shit? dirigibles? Zepplins? hell yeah I love aerostats. balloons are my friend.

dooooode!
I have a dream of building a blimp colony. Blimps are forever. Just put em up there and there they are! Its so easy to colonize up there. Blimp colony when?

everybody needs to GET A BLIMP

leftypol blimp colony when

r u srs right now?
I mean, I actually want to do this. Not even kidding. I cant believe there really is another person out there that shares my dream of riding on a blimp.
Blimps are so practical! Anyone can build one. Just kinda put a heater on a balloon of helium to adjust altitude, maybe some solar powered fan thingies to blow around, and boom, there you go!

how to organize an online group to engineer an open source sustainable blimp house?

The picture or dirigism?


DeGaulle's political economy that was also used by the asian tiger countries

digirism. I know what night in the woods is

i'm actually serious and not being facetious here, i actually legit want to make shit that flies and that i can fly inside.

okay me too.
I want to build like a small sized one that is cheap to make that I can just sit in and steer with by adjusting the blow of the fans. I wanna start out with one that is propane or petrol powered but eventually retrofit it to efficiently utilize the ionosphere and wind as natural steering mechanisms.

As I said: DeGaulle's political economy that was also used by the asian tiger countries

ok but how do i learn about is pls halp

great, now porky actual is part of government rather than major donater

Dirigisme is just french for a mixed economy. It's what most marketqueers here implicitly advocate too because muh usury.
State ownership has a long history of success, from the Incas to France to the USSR to China so there's nothing contradictory about Capitalist economies adopting it.
The state only becomes a problem when it gets it the way of private enterprise with labour laws, environmental protection, fiat money, capital gains/corporate taxation and banking and finance restrictions.

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To be fair, the USSR did go from a pre-industrial economy to being a power capable of driving back Germany and all its Eastern European allies. Before the Brezhnev period it worked decently enough.

Literally just state capitalism

Fuck capitalism

Probably. I mean both of them want capitalism with productive relations changed.

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Marketfags and planningfags are utopians who don't understand what (exchange) value entails, nor that the planning versus market dichotomy within the law of value is a false dichotomy for a true break away from the capitalist mode of production. They both want to design socialism with the drawing board. The celebration of Russian during and post-NEP and Catalonia in the Spanish civil war or Rojava as "socialist" shows that very well.

They often treat value as if it was just another spook that could be ignored, rather than a real abstraction (guarantee you niggas are gonna sperg out with "spook!11" at this one) arising out of the actions of people within the framework of capitalist production. The concept of value will become clearer to you if you read the Paris Manuscripts, Wage Labour and Capital or Capital.

You could also read a decent summary of Marx, though I'd recommend reading Marx himself – it is not too difficult and nothing can substitute the primary literature.

Furthermore, as the tankie in (surprisingly and quite ironically) says: dirigism is a French term for so-called "mixed economy", in which more than just some elements of industry are pushed to be state held alongside the typical form of non-state private proprietors. In Europe, this is the inverse of ordoliberalism, and it is needless to say just another way of policing capitalism.

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Isnt helium expensive as fuck rn?

Solely because USSR still operated as the Lenin's state capitalist state, but its structire began deteriorating in the 30s all the way to the early 60s untill finally it turned into a kind of party mercantilism ("organized robbery", to put it simply), and finally died in the late 80s.

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TBH empiricism is already on my side and the only value calculation method for market exchange more accurate than Marx's vanilla LTV is TSSI, which is based directly on Marx's LTV

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And it's hard to contain, because it's such a fucking small atom.
Maybe hydrogen bubbles in some sort of heat-resistent polymer foam could work.
No problems with leakage. Lower chance for explosions. Energency fual source.
Hydrogen is twice as light as helium. The foam might weigh it down a bit tho. Larger bubble size may counteract this, but gives higher risk of perpetuated fire, as there is more hydrogen to burn per bubble the fire has to go through.
Thinner bubble borders give similar advantages, but also similar problems.
I don't know if hydrogen is more expensive than helium. I do know it is easy to produce locally through electrolysis, though this costs a lot of electricity. Usually, on industrial scales, it is made from natural gas, which is cheaper.
As for the polymer, there are many to pick from. Ideally, of course, we'd rather use biopolymers instead of buying cheap monomers from oil companies to make our plastic. I'm sadly not far enough in chemistry to be able to pick, so I guess you have to look at wikipedia for options or something.
I recently saw a nice presentation on monomers from lignin, the really hard and annoying part of wood. Maybe that could be used? The monomers are all aromatic from there, so that could mean polymers formed from those are very strong and stable. Like kevlar.
The biggest problem is that it'll be much heavier because of all the mass you had to add to keep the hydrogen secure.
To control height, you could heat it. What I'd recommend is wires spread out through the whole mass and carefully controlling the temperature, though it depends how much the bubbles allow the hydrogen to expand. Perhaps you could pre-heat hydrogen when making the foam, which will make the resulting bubbles shrink somewhat, and allows the hydrogen to expand later on. This will of course mean heavier bubbles, but it will also mean better temperature control.
Anyways, that's my ideas.

It's usually called Capitalism.

So the issue should not be market vs planning?
What should we be concerned with?

Capitalism versus socialism/communism, I hope.

There's many different hypothetical "models" for what a post-capitalist society may look like. I know the resident Marxhead here really likes Cockshott and Cottrell's model, but there's way more out there. The most basic prerequisite for abolishing capitalism lies in the abolition of commodification, the action or process of treating something as a mere commodity to be exchanged on the market, from which a law of value arises.
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(This part is most pertinent to your question, but watch the first anyways imo)

So the problem is roduction for profit?

i wonder if you can mix hydrogen with some sort of halon-like gas to inhibit/prevent combustion.

It could work, but noble gases are still expensive and oftentimes heavier if they're not helium. Neon is an exception, but it is still very heavy.
Nitrogen gas is often used as substitute for noble gases as an unreactive gas. Using it should be fine.
It'd just mean that it burns slightly slower though at the cost of more weight. It might help a bit though.

I like how this split into two seperate discussions.
Personally I find the blimp topic more interesting. Gnu/blimp when?

More or less, yes.

Read:
marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1845/german-ideology/ch01.htm (this chapter only)
marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1844/manuscripts/preface.htm
marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1847/wage-labour/