Some weeks ago:

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Some weeks ago:
Apologize leftypol

Stop blaming us for what tankposter says.

the cost of housing comes from the price of land and NIMBY libcuck land use restrictions (like lots of land being zoned in ways that cant be legally used for housing, or restrictions on the maximum number of people who can inhabit a building of a given square footage)

explain to me this: why can i find commercial office space (that cannot legally be lived in) for as low as like, $250 / month for a small unit with a lock on the door, heating, electricity, 24/7 access via card key, access to common Toilets, and of course, in a modern, clean, fire-sprinklered building, meanwhile if you're a single poorfag who needs a room to live, the lowest cost and shittiest rooms on craigslist are still like $450 a month.

No
3D printing is not a viable alternative for "owning the means of production" and will never be able to outperform assembly belts in terms of efficiency and speed.

it doesn't have to compete directly with assembly belts, it only has to compete with assembly belts plus distribution.

And for most shit that means its still never going to be more productive.

the production of 3d printers will still be dominated by Capitalists and better more expensive versions will still outperform the ones the proles own (if they ever do), even if goes towards a printer-printing-printer scenario.
This argument is like saying that because proles can own shares at microsoft class doesn't exist, the Capitalist will necessarily make more from what he has than the prole even if all proles managed to escape simple wage labour.

also literally everyone who talks about 3d printing revolutionising shit has no fucking clue what 3d printers are capable of.

additive manufacturing (as opposed to like, subtractive manufacturing like a CNC machine) is not a fucking panacea to every problem of "making things".

it's good for some one-off prototyping shit if you work in industry but holy shit stop overhyping it.

also y'alls are leftists so you better be gettin' interested in CNC machines because y'all refused to BUY AR-15s when they were cheap so y'all gonna need some heavy CNC work to make the guns for your revolution :^)

I can't wait to 3D print my robot wife who will help me 3D print our house and furniture. We have a glorious future ahead of us friends.

What happens if you do though?

the commercial landlord you're renting the place from finds out and evicts you.

since it's a commercial unit there's not even the pretence of eviction due process that there is for residential units

nice $250/month unit with a lock on the door and no fucko roommates to jack your shit, orders of magnitude better than any homeless shelter (those never have doors or rooms, and again, people are guaranteed to jack your shit), and it's in a sprinklered building, so it wont fucking burn down on you.

but how dare you live in a modern building with better fire alarms and fire sprinklers than pretty much EVERY SINGLE USian HOUSE because it's not rubberstamped by some cuck saying it's ~*~fit for habitation~*~ or because it's in the wrong part of the city, in a commercial zoning.

god, i fucking hate landlords, i fucking hate NIMBYs, and i hate zoning laws, and i hate most of all the fucking cops who come enforce eviction orders.

POST YF WHEN POST SCARCITY IS LITERALLY NOW!!

also lotsa commercial landlords who rent "office space" like this are wise to the fact that there's desperate people (like me) who want to rent them to live in them so they look for signs that they're inhabited like:

–looking for light under door or through windows

–power use patterns

–contents of trash

–access patterns (cardkey access makes it trivial for them to do so, there's logs)

–sounds of like, sleeping human[s] at night

so you need to have decent OPSEC. remember, the landlord needs to catch you slipping up ONLY ONCE to lay you out on the street.

you need to be perfect EVERY TIME, and landlords are nosy motherfuckers with a lot of time.

also if they know that someone is illegally living on their property it can make stuff (like with the police or the city or even with insurance) very hinky for them so they literally have an incentive to try to ferret out instances of this.

its fuckin horrid

in socialism, there would be districts too.

how do you mean by that?

this. kill all landlords 2017.

It's not their fault, user, the system wills it from them. If you're a landlord and you don't put your property over the people who use it, you're in the danger of ruining your own life.

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I remember that thread.

The problem with the 3D printers people had was not that they are useless you twit, it was that they were not "ownership of the means of production" alone. While it is good to see technology bringing about innovations like this that can reduce the material and labor costs of building suitable habitation for people, it's still not an option for anyone to simply do on their own. These sort of meaningful production projects involve 3D printers that are of industrial scale: literally ones large enough to have the entire building be made in one go rather than made piecemeal. You'd need to have a tremendous pre-existing buildup of capital to be able to commandeer a printer like this, which by definition is out of the reach for most members of the working class. That means that exclusive use and access to these capabilities are still concentrated in the hands of an existing capitalist class rather than those who would actually see use from the production undertaken.

The sort of 3D printers that working people can get (and I use that statement loosely, as we're really talking higher-end income proles in this case) are capable usually of making only small products of limited variety of usable materials. The investment one makes in buying these types of 3D printers is almost never offset by the value created by it before it becomes too outdated for use or suffers enough mechanical damage that it will require costly repairs.

Now if we're talking about a society where 3D printers like you've mentioned are collectively owned, then we might be talking about some nearing post-scarcity (at least when it comes to production of those select items). As it stands, its merely become yet another commodity to be sold by the usual offending parties.

Also it appears that the $10,000 price tag only covers the actual construction of the building, and does not factor in integration of facilities (water, electricity, gas, etc) or baseline appliances. Once those are taken into account, while still very cheap in the realm of housing, the savings are significantly less absurd given the small size of accommodations provided.

dont forget you have to place the house somewhere

I looked at their site and apparently you can buy the printer itself.