Pokemon - Then vs. Now

I'm with this guy

If by best you mean the most generic and uninspired than sure
Best designs were probably Gen III

They're simple and effective. I like the fact that most of them are just slightly altered versions of existing animals.

I think the best Pokemon designs are ones that strike a good balance between being grounded in reality and being fantasy designs.

If a design is too grounded it feels mundane and uninspired, but if it's too fantasy then the suspension of disbelief is lost and it no longer feels believable. That's why Digimon designs were always garbage

does that not describe things from any gen? You mean to tell me that rowlett doesn't look like a fucking owl?

his final evolution is pretty cool though

One thing that gen 1 and gen 2 have over the other gens is that sense of exploration. You'll find places you can't access right now, and keep them in mind so you can go explore them later. The world feels a lot more open and as such, a lot bigger because of it.
Gen 7 is awful in every sense. The cutscenes make the story unbearable, the battles are hilariously easy, and the only difficult battles (the totems) are only difficult because they will be clean sweeps if you go in unprepared. There's no counterplay to "get outsped and OHKOed every turn" other than "go back, grind a bit more or abuse stat boost items, then come back and sweep it".

Pokemon generally just does not lend itself well to a single player game. The stories in the games are near non-existent, the characters are blanker slates than most Touhou characters, and the gameplay is the pinnacle of "press the kill button whenever an enemy appears".

If you want to play Pokemon, do random battles on PokemonShowdown or something.
If you want a decent single player experience, check out the romhacks and fangames because they are built from the ground up with single player balance in mind. I personally suggest Pokemon Reborn but you basically need to close your eyes and look away from the monitor whenever text appears on screen. The story and writing is so bad that it will ruin your enjoyment of the game. If you do care about story, play Pokemon Adventures: Red.
If you're interested in the Pokemon story, characters, etc. then read the Pokemon Adventures manga. It's actually really good and if you don't mind the story getting surprisingly dark at points then you'll have a lot of fun with it.
Avoid the Sun/Moon anime. It's not terrible but it's just a fucking chore to sit through. Not comfy, just boring and painfully mediocre.

For me it's Arcanine but honestly I'd 90% of Pokemon.

It looks cool
It's actually pretty shit, and the only interesting ting it has going for it is locked behind its secret ability.

Yeah, but then there's this thing

The games peaked with GSC imo, but the modern games have waifumons

That's clearly a stretchy piece of celery

Alola is definitely the most shit region and Gen 7 was by far the most linear Pokemon gen

I hope the rumors are true and the next game takes place in a rendition of 'Straya because that sounds a hell of a lot more exploration-centric than the linear bullshit islands of Alola

have you never seen a dragon before, user?

Of course

87% male

Ur mom.
Basilisken, before i dropped my degenerate nigger tastes for Pokemon lewd

Definitely not one that mated with a fighter jet.

remove the need for HMs
Remove IV it's autistic and ultimately doesn't matter. I know they do that so every pokemon is different blah blah blah but honestly, who the fuck cares. Let EV be the customization.

Make the gameplay completely different from the casual boring shit that is 4 move turn based.

They already did, and it's shit

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Gen 1 through 5 are all better than gen 6 through 7

I got Gardy from Diantha

you missed out

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Gen 1 wasn't overdesigned. It was made to look like fantasy while being believable, hence the modified animal look on most of them.
This is back when every RPG had animal enemies but they were always wild out there creatures like 3ft tall rats with unicorn horns, seemingly naturally developing flesh wounds, and 1ft long claws but still just called Rat. Compare that to Raticate the sorta big and square rat and you see why the modest designs were good.
Less is more for a reason user.

Gotcha covered fam

HeartGold and SoulSilver were the peak of quality for pokemon games. There was plenty of shit to do, two whole regions, those minigames, pokeball apricorns, and a customizable safari zone. The engine in gen 5 was great, and the battles felt fast-paced. What I never liked about gens 1-5 were the intense grinds you had to do to keep your team on an equal level. Gen 6 introduced an optional party exp setting, which made your team way ahead of the level curve pretty quickly. Since they used models instead of sprites in 6&7, the battles are much slower-paced. My ideal pokemon game would be HG/SS in the gen 5 engine.

A race full of fuciboys, Pokemon is full of homos.

Improvements

Middle Ground

Detriments

I get the feeling someone is going to pick apart my criticisms and call me a genwunner.

Fucking nothing.
The games now are dumbed down so even the dumbest motherfucker on reddit can walk in a straight line without failing and finish the game.

Every new pokemon is retarded and I hate them.

You posted it.
I'd attach images but I'm not on my normal machine
There's also some autist here that really hates Braixen.

As if the older games were difficult. I could beat red when I was 5 and didn't even know english. Pokemon is and has always been a game for kids

All the more reason to post him.

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Bui please go

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Doesn't this just mean I'd hug the other 12.5%

Yes, but you could walk left and right without the game popping up a million messages saying you can't go that way until you do this thing that you're clearly told about.

Back then you at least had to talk to townsfolk or find some shit to progress.
Modern pokemon does even that for you now.

It felt like the game was in tutorial mode until you finished the last island.

Please stay bui, this place needs another purge

user have you played Sun/Moon? If you follow the linear story and battle every trainer on a route, you will be drastically overlevelled against anything you fight. Not to mention, every time you enter a new area, they give you 10x pokeballs/potions of whatever level you are. Ten free fucking ultraballs, in a game where it already throws money at you.
Still not as shitty as that one generation, I can't remember which, where the first gym is the type your starter is weak against, but they give you the pokemon that is strong against it before you go in, and then the second gym is literally normal type and they still feel the need to tell you to go catch some fighting types up the road. That was embarrassing.

I'm not Bui

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digimon was always better tbh

YAMERO
STOP THIS GAY SHIT

Fuck that, I've been playing since gen 1 and you're spot fucking on, mate. call me a genwunner idgaf

Where can you get one?

That's exactly what Bui would say you foot-loving fuck.

I was happily fondling my balls until I saw that. Now I've got to coax them back out from hiding along with my dick

Feet? Nah, I just think furrets are cute.
Isn't Bui that sperg who hid some ddos .swf in Imgur to slow down this site?

Not all new pokemon are bad. Galvantula is pretty rad. They just tend to put racing stripes and spikes on everything instead of keeping designs clean and simple.

They were all recognisable and easy to remember though.

I'll save everyone some time in this thread:
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Non-gay shit
e621.net/post/index/1/pokemon female solo order:score

all gay shit
e621.net/post/index/1/pokemon male solo order:score

Some of the designs have been pretty cool/cute but the games have been getting easier and more linear with each entry. It's a shame that so much resources go to these games and not to some spinoff stuff like Mystery Dungeon

Bui's the autist who did nothing wrong.

FTFY
e621.net/post/index/1/female pokémon rating:e order:score

What does that do? I'm a little rusty on my search terms

I thought he did it 'cause everyone made fun of his daiper fetish or something.

"rating:e" limits the search to Explicit posts.

Who would post non-porn on e621?

Why not just use -gay? That way you get images where the gender is "ambiguous" [there's no vagina shown so you can't be sure :^)].

IT'S SHIT AND I HATE IT
looks okay though, wasted on a shit game

Very useful, too bad you can only change them in some fangames/romhacks.
It was one of best ideas they had.
I think you meant special.
Fact.
I still wonder why they waited to Gen 5 for this. It averted my hoarding of these items and almost never using them.
It still way too tedious. They should reduce max IVs from 31 to 10.
Some should get better balance like Rock and Ice.
I don't remember anything about this.
It was just annoying. I prefer when it's replaced by key items.
I don't care about this.
Yes, it's most annoying thing about mainline games.
Story never was a strong point of mainline. For this there were some spinoffs and fangames.
It always was stupidly linear. They rather won't do pseudo open world game, where you can go straight from point A to point B if you wanted to without using main routes.
I liked some of these. Like triples and hordes sound like good way to get more exp faster.
Yes, legendary pokemons were mistake. It got kind of stupid in third gen.
Almost all of these are route 1 trash. Common birb, some rodent and electric mouse in almost all games.
They probably did that to just avoid autist butthurt.
Dragon is still stupidly powerful anyway. Majority of fairy type pokemons are sugary trash anyway.
Not really. There aren't any reasons to not use them, when you get them every single time.

Detriments
Specially since it is not even consistent across the roster, it appeared that starters would all get one but they didn't, it would appear that legendaries wouldn't need any but some of them got it, it would appear that certain non-evolving pokemon would need it more but very few got it, then they decide to not include all of them in all games that feature them, and then they drop them for the next generation.

In Gen 1 it was based off speed, or something to that extent, which has some obvious balance issues.
When I say that, I mean one starter was usually substantially better than the others or one starter was substantially worse than the others. Usually the grass type is the one that gets shafted because of vulnerability to flying, bug, fire, poison and ice if they're mono-typed, and doesn't seem to get types that help eliminates those weaknesses.

There's an item called an ability capsule. You can get it from the battle facility shops that let you change a pokemon's abilities if they have a second standard one.

Not to mention the time it takes to get an egg.
Crits were based on speed in gen 1, that's why Rattatas were a pain to deal with at the beginning.

I wonder how many people I caused to fap with those posts…

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Neat

God please remove this from our beautiful planet we call home

I know it's E621 and I should expect that, but consider my jimmies rustled.

Not into hotdogs?

Not when they look like that shit.
Imagine owning that pokemon and being stared at while going through town as your gothitelle wobbles while walking due to her retarded body. It's either that or gothitelle has some pretty sick abs

Maybe it's just 10 layers of progessively baggier bloomers.
Like a matryoshka doll but for 2hus pokemon

Oh. I almost never do these.

I see. Now I remember it.
You're right, but I really don't know what could be done about this.
I think only Turtwig evo got secondary type until that owl showed up.

The rarer a female is, the more value it has when you want to fuck it.

Game Corner is missing but it was always just a fun distraction anyway. Also Gen 7 is missing rotation and triple battles. Otherwise the newer games are better in every way. I especially appreciate Items, abilities, reusable TMs, and the Physical/Special split

EVs can be seen and modified since gen 6
IVs can be seen and modified since gen 7
before that they could still be controlled but it was harder

Older games were only harder to you because you didn't know what to do. The pokéballs and potions are just items you would buy anyway if you know what to do. The real reason they give you those items is so you can spend the money on clothes instead.

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I'll admit that I bought X just so I could use pokemonamie with mawile and braixen.

Gen 3 > Gen 2 > Gen 4 = Gen 5 > Gen 7 > Gen 1 > Gen 6

Someone on the Sun & Moon team thought that they were supposed to make an anime instead of a game. So we got all these long winded, unskippable cutscenes and the rest of the game suffered for it.

Even with a remake, there's no where to explore, and the limited bit of exploration you get is mostly RNG (The Ultra Wormhole ride thing, for example)

If they want to be a JRPG then they should commit to the bit and make a JRPG, same for if they want an E-sport. Trying to be both at the same time is the problem.

Also, they threw balance out the window with UBs.

Why would I waste my time?
Pokemon was shit after Crystal

They fucked the aesthetic completely after Gen 2. It went from being "Studio Ghibli Presents: The 20th Century" to a generic modern fantasy world. Pokemon tried to become Digimon as Digimon tried to become Pokemon.

Listen to this and try to imagine it in 4-bit monoaural bleeps and bloops while looking at a monochrome screen with no backlight, powered by AAs.

This is the feel of the original Pokemon world.

I got it because sylveon's my favourite, essentially.
And i hadn't played a pogeymon game since red/blue when i was a kid.

Nosedived?

Woah there, you're gonna make the Johtoniggers cry!

Damn they started crying before I even finished typing my reply.

Idea that has probably never been posted before:

Game Freak was right to tie a secondary stat to Speed. It just should have been evasiveness instead of critical hits.

You also replied before bothering to read it seems.

I am not seeing what your embed has to do with pokemon at all.

That sounds fucking painful.

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At least she's long enough to fit your dick.

Pokemon peaked at gen 4, more specially heart gold & soul silver.

G&S were the best games interns of world/storyline(for lack of better term)
Combine with the improvements of gen 3 and 4, you get best games in series.

Gen 5 really don't add much, it felt more like gen 4.5 rather than gen 5.

Gen 6 it jumped the shark, and has been shit ever since.

I'm not against modernization, but they completely changed the base feel of the world. By all means, add abilities, natures, more regions, etc. But they even dropped the original nostalgic watercolor art from the originals and went full steam on the made-for-anime-and-toy-merchandise saturated colors as the official look, to the point that the original art now looks out of place next to the rest of the franchise.

The composition is of similar style, informing the atmosphere. You can tell a lot about a fictional world by the music that plays in it.

I stopped playing after Gen 4 and started playing them in my backlog.
I worked backwards and played the recent one; Sun and Moon are the worst gens. Terrible mon designs, shit story, lazy end game, and horrid fashions. Nothing but boring characters that the game tries to desperately make me like. Reminds me of Persona 4 Golden, but everyone is Marie-sue.
The only thing I liked was the isopod.

Bulbasaur was Poison type. Chesnaught was fighting at full evo. Otherwise you're right. Also Fighting/Grass comes with all the weaknesses of grass as well as 4x weakness to flying and weakness to psychic, so that was a disaster.

The older games weren't hard, but they were harder. Just look at the array of pokemon you had leading up to Brock and Misty. It was pretty shitty, with no pokemon being strong vs Brock except for Squirtle and Bulbasaur, and only Bellsprout, Pikachu and Bulbasaur being good vs Misty. Gen 2 also had some potentially unfortunate match ups for the first three gyms.

Ah, wait. Here's the song I was thinking of. These melodies, counter melodies, and choice of tempo clearly show a late 19th/early 20th century aesthetic. Some of the peppier tunes even start resembling Maple Leaf Rag.

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It would require basically a complete overhaul of the stats and damage calculations/distributions as they exist now, but I feel like a battle system with Speed/eva tied together could be better. My perfect battle system would have

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But then speedy mons would be glass cannons that you can never land a hit on, thus being cannons, and I personally don't like legendaries being the most powerful.

one other thing about critical hits other anons failed to mention: Gen 6 reduced the damage they do from 200% to 150%

Consider that one of the greatest determinants for how good a Pokémon is its speed.
Consider extremely powerful and fast Pokémon like Greninja, Nagadanel, Pheremosa, Marshadow, Sky Forme Shamin, Arceus, Ultra Necrozma, Deoxys, Mega Mewtwo, and Mega Rayquaza.
Now consider that evasion is the best stat in the game. Imagine trying to kill these deadly Pokémon when they have a chance to dodge every attack you throw at them.
Bad idea.

I do, but not because I think they were good games in any manner. The first generation was best simply because this horrible scam of a series took everything bad about the original games and made them even worse in every set of sequels.

Gen 6 was such a fuck up. I think every third game Game Freak just forgets what good design is.

Or maybe she is wearing a diaper full of shit

Well that's why it'd take pretty much a complete overhaul at this point. It's neither feasible, nor worth it to do to the series anymore. But if you could turn back to really early in the series, like staple the revamp to the Special split, then it'd be worth it.

As it stands right now, you're right, Speed is one of, if not the, greatest determinant of what makes a mon, 'good.' But if the speedy mons were low-HP pieces of glass, and defensive mons could actually be defensive, it would be more balanced, and mons with say, 80 base speed or something, could be viable to use. Again, it would require a complete overhaul though, so this whole thing is basically just a fun "What If?".

See above for the speed stuff. I personally just don't like the idea of a mon being "legendary" if it's shit.

I'd be okay with not all legendaries being combat powerhouses if they aren't supposed to be. Like, Shaymin. Or even Mew. They can be legendary for their cosmological significance, or other abilities. They should always have powerful gameplay options attached to them, but that doesn't have to be combat. Leave tearing up tracts of countryside to Mewtwo, Deoxys, and Lugia, who are basically small kaiju.

It doesn't have to be shit, but two things are, I don't want more landorus type BS or mega rayquaza shit either. Ideally every pokemon is good, because if you're gonna raise a pokemon and get attached to it but then be forced to dump it at the last second to put that new OP legendary in your party (which the games always fucking do) then what is the fucking point? The appeal of pokemon was always to have your special pokebro or waifu, as the case often is and to use them and be attached to them.

what an awful post, I need some sleep. I hope you get the gist.

Nah, I got the gist. They should be worthy, but not OP, or meta-defining.

That would actually be a good way to balance it.

You would have to figure out other balances like fixing ice from all being glass, maybe adding in preference defence boost/weakenings like have rock and ice have physical do 1/2 damage but special does 1.5, but professional fags would complain that that makes it too complex.

truth
i was a poorfag and never got Yellow like i wanted

Just remembered I had this check

I would figure as part of the complete overhaul, I would change how types and effectiveness interact, yeah. Even outside of the context of this "What If?", Ice needs a fuckton more resistances than it has now.

I don't care what Smogonfags think.

For now, ice should be made immune to grass and water.

In my deepest fits of autism, I've considered working out two simultaneous wheels that effect eachother but don't overlap, by setting apart the types that only indicate their physical environment and how they interact with it. It would make a separate wheel out of Normal/Ground (Subterranean)/Swimming/Flying/Ghost (considerations for being incorporeal like immunity to non-energy moves). You'd have to add a Wind element separate from Flying (Flying keeps the electrical weakness, for example, not Wind), and Rock would take over most of Ground's role.

I have no idea how badly this would trainwreck balance, but I'm sure it'd have consequences.

No joke. I think that if they go totally insane and make the series open world in the same vein as BotW that it might actually rejuvenate Pokémon. Particularly if they make gameplay changes on the same level as they did for BotW vs earlier games.

They should just copy pokemon generations, the fangame.

Addendum: This would obviate the need for "You're not really this type but we'll let you pretend" abilities like Levitate. If it's in the air, it's Flying.

Pokemon is a pretty good candidate for open world. All the mechanics are pretty much made for it. You already have pokemon and scattered items to collectathon with, towns and pokecenters would be like hubs or bases, you can use your pokemon to get around like you did before, but now more interactively, and if you went into high level areas you would get you shit fucked. Seems good to me.

The way you're describing it reminds me of the two type wheels from this old Yu-gi-Oh game I had growing up. On one wheel I think it went:

Pyro>Forest>Wind>Earth>Thunder>Aqua>

and the other was like

Shadow>Light>Fiend>Dreams

In the game, the superior type automatically destroyed the direct inferior, regardless of Attack/Defence, but otherwise didn't play into battles with other types, be they on the same wheel or the other wheel. Obviously you wouldn't put an auto-win in a Pokemon game, but if I'm reading your post right, it would have the same BASIC sort of concept, right?

Sure, but cutoff from the old games no transfer to the new big generation

After Orange Islands it overstayed its welcome.

Nosedived was X/Y

Whoa there CRANKY
KONG!
You're ruining everything
with your jaded
NOSTALGIA in tow!

Pretty much. I think I originally got the idea from the latter Battle Network games, where in addition to Fire > Grass > Elec > Water > Fire there was also wheels for things like Swords (Blades), Cracking (Armor Piercing), Stealth, Seeker (I think it was called Target in the game's terms), Wind, and that sort of thing. I can never remember which games had which, as they changed a bit game to game. But the idea is there were more power wheels than just the basic elements and they usually had to do with how you could get around an enemy's defenses. Seeker attacks ignored Stealth defenses, Cracking ignored physical Shields and destroyed terrain, Wind attacks would push the enemy around and automatically destroyed energy barriers, that sort of thing.

There's just so much going on in Pokemon that you could build gameplay around that's ignored.

Oh, sure, fuck up grass even more. Ice should be 2x to water (because entropy) and immune against it, though.

Why the hell would you want that?

More aspects of the moves could be highlighted and enhanced, sure. For example, the first thing that HAS to be done is getting rid of abilities. Change abilities to “attributes”, and rather than one per Pokémon, every Pokémon gets ALL of the abilities for its species. Yes, that means stacking things like Levitate and what not. We’ll buff Ground so that it’s not totally ruined. Doing that totally changes the viability “tiers” and shakes things up.

People often like to make a Sound type, but that’s stupid. Sound as a gameplay mechanic makes much more sense (bypassing Substitute–and should bypass other things). There are already categories for contact and “biting” moves… there could be a category of “tongue” moves, and then a new frog Pokémon with an attribute called “hallucinogen” that guarantees confusion whenever a biting or tongue move is used. Shit, I’m on mobile right now, but I have a text document of all the ideas I had over the years.

Oh man, I wanna see this autism. Truth be told, it really sounds like you have a solid base for a more in-depth pokemon battle system, hell, it doesn't even have to be tied to Pokemon

In certain aspects, yes, in certain aspects, no.
Physical/Special Split, Special Attack/Defense Split, Most Abilities, Arguably the Graphics
Introduction of Fairies to counteract Dragons.
Over-the-top stories
No.
Shit.
Yes.

Can you nosedive when you're already sniffing shit?

Gen IV was alright. Gen V would've worked better as a reboot. Gen VI and beyond is trash. As for the anime, Johto and Hoenn were shit and Dawn was the last good thing to ever come out of that series I would've actually liked Black and White if not for its awful ending and Ash losing the League in the most retarded way possible despite all the stupid ass hype.

God she is such a little slut.

XY was when they began to sniff shit and they didn't stop sniffing since.

Dawn is kurogyaru.

Why is Dawn so sexual?

Its the mini skirt.
She likes showing off her legs?

You posted what she likes showing off. It's her ass.

Why not?
She has a great ass.

Don't you mean XY? Black and White was shit all around and has Ash's worse League performance.

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Why was she so perfect goys?

Gen 1 wasn't overdesigned, it was under designed if anything. I'd agree that the peak of pokemon design from being mostly monochromatic palettes to something more interesting to look at was Gen III. Relicanth strikes me vividly at being right at home in Gen I, and I would consider Spheal a strict improvement over Seel from Gen 1 as far as being a "not real" seal. Blaziken and Aggron are good examples of the artists actually getting to take advantage of more detail in their sprite work, while not going completely out of control gluing random shit to everything. The closest things to overdesigned may be the legendaries, but I liked how the legendaries looked incredibly distinct from most pokemon in this gen, showing they were something special, Kyogre especially being being the first proper gigantic underwater creature.

Because she's asking for it

Oh yeah! My favorite femboy did a video on this recently!

I may agree with what this faggot might be saying, but fuck him and fuck you.

I've come to realize that Masuda and currently Ohmori are the worst things to happen to the Pokemon franchise. I understand that the only times we've really seen anybody else step up to the plate are third versions and occasionally remakes, when a real game has already been made, but Morimoto went out of his way to add postgame content in Emerald and just put the fucking Battle Frontier in HGSS, Unno added a shit ton of maps and an entirely new plot to B2W2, Iwao added a shit ton of side things that not only rewarded you for exploring but also helped flesh out the world (you can see a Comfey refersh the flower water things in Pokemon Centers, there's some Pokemon visible in the background, and a bunch of sparkles in the water that some guy says are Lumineon seriously GF get your shitty engine in order). What did Ohmori do on his first game? Ruin the entire main game, only occasionally make efforts like DexNav and the phenominal Secret Bases, and make almost zero post game content. And then he got to direct Sun and Moon because he's got the same philosophy as the director of most Pokemon games, Masuda. Basically I could totally direct a much better Pokemon game, please hire me GameFreak.

Its amazing how they managed to fuck of Pokemon to the point of making it almost unrecognizable and lazy. Any fan might be able to unfuck its shit up at this point. Question is more waifumon or less?

I wish GF would develop the setting more, like especially with things like Banette
So, when you catch it, does it put its vengeful mission on hold? Can it ever love you back or is it just a dick all the time? Are you legally liable if it kills, abducts, or harms the child that discarded it in the first place? Can you dress it up in sexy dresses like a doll and have sex after a successful run on the competition circuit?

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Don't you have a digimon/monhun/splatoon thread to go shit up?

No
Red and Blue were buggy messes with half thought out systems.

That thread is frustrating because Cobalt selectively enforces the rules.

One post in a thread that lasts over two weeks is hardly shitting it up

Zero interest in this franchise. I hide it and many other generals on sight

Pokemon has always been a Dragon Warrior clone with needless slots for extra Pokemon which are completely pointless outside of competition, none of the campaigns require you do to anything beyond grind your starter up to clear the game, if anything it's much faster to beat the game doing that instead of balancing out a team like in say Dragon Quest Monsters or Shin Megami Tensei. They're glorified reskinned adventure games with a marketing gimmick revolving around new generations of the same types of Pokemon, they are all structured the same since people expect that product from Pokemon now. Pokemon is by all means casual as fuck and has never evolved in any meaningful way. They are casual time wasters that people enjoy and drop until the next one.

That's why you play the spin offs.

are you the faggot that posted nothing but gay shit and bitching about your gay shit getting deleted on the last digimon thread without a single post talking about the games or the anime?

No shit he is tripsman.

All of the spinoffs are either bad Tetris clones, bad Panel de Pon clones, bad Mystery Dungeon clones, or just bad games like Rumble or Ranger. Even Colosseum is bad, they reskinned the sequel and released trash for the Wii and the Gamecube besides PokePark. The mainline series is gold compared to the shit you'd call spinoffs.

Those are some hot opinions.

I also forgot the mediocre Pinball games. They're forgettable.

And you are a grade-A retard.

I'm not the nigger who comes into a thread screeching everything is shit and everything it touches is shit.

You're right we should talk about pokemon

There really isn't much to talk about, all people do is bitch about how the people producing and directing Pokemon now are inept but not inept enough yet to release a product that's completely unplayable.

This honestly.

If by fucked, you mean "had an unfortunate icing-based incidient while baking", then yes

I'm gonna need sauce.

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Holy shit did you just come from >>>/reddit/

Wait what

How peculiar.

Maybe don't post porn then

I'm so fucking tired arguing with pokefags.
Here is the the
TRUTH
Gen 1-3 had good and bad designs but everything after that had increasingly decreased quality.
Megas were fucking retarded.
Game Freak has added fucking nothing to the mechanics for years but constantly fills it with worthless filler.

Whats there to argue about? Its true.
Last game I bought was gen 5 and 6. I didn't get the sequels and I didnt get SM.

Seriously so many bloated things. Are beauty contests still a thing? Why does bulabpedo have stats for them. Why do they need to set aside space for glaceon and leafeon? Only a handful of pokemon use stones to evolve why are they still here?

Anyone who browses an imageboard at work deserves to be fired anyway.

Gamefreak has this weird problem where they'll get rid of features for basically no reason, but they'll also refuse to change any of the old pokemon to fit them into their new game designs. Early pokemon were designed with a much different intent behind their visuals and gameplay, and many of them are archaic because of it.
Tauros will never, ever be useful again because they'd have to give it a lot more than new moves and abilities.

I don't know about you but for years there was denial about mega's being the decline of the series.

Where? I remember people shitting on them since they were first shown.

Gen 5 was probably one of the last high points. Mostly because you had a parallel with most of Gen 1.

Fire horse? Thunder horse.
Sludge? Garbage.
Eggs? Ice cream.

Don't forget the fire moth, that thing was fucking sick.

When mega's came out it was pre-exodus or right around then and there was a huge "pro" 4-8chaim group who saw mega's as a huge mechanical improvement which added loads of "depth"

I mean, I guess megas could be alright if they were exclusively reserved to shitmons, but we'll never know, will we?
Personally, I like the afro buffalo myself.

Its frustrating because the pokemon that got them were completed arbitrary, didnt include all the pokemon, and some got TWO. Not even all the starters either.
Then, the next game added more

Then you need an arbitrary item to use it, again probably gated off to post game or some dumb event you cant find normally (or worse on an event pokemon).

I just wanted more intresting mechanics, I always like monster rancher and digimon because the devs made new mechanics and new interactions.
Pokemon has had the same formula for years with fucking gimick after gimick and when they do switch it up like Coliseum or Mystery Dungeon, they ignore it success and return to the formula they're accustomed too.

At a minimum, they really need to have every battle be a double battle. Preferably, sometimes you're straight outnumbered. I never played past 5th gen, so I'm not personally familiar with how horde encounters work, but 1 on 1 has always been the most boring way to play pokemon.
Actually, fuck it, Pokemon should just play like The Last Remnant. I don't care anymore.

If it was all Lucario furfag shit then it deserved it.

Pokémon ended at generation 2.

Crystal is the ultimate game.

There are 251 Pokémon, from Bulbasaur to Celebi.

Gen 2 was always my favorite, never played the remakes though. Gen 3 even back when it released seemed off to me, I only got it when emerald got released and It just didnt feel like the old pokemon.
It was when there were the classic spinnoffs, like pokemon snap, stadium, collesseum and pinball.

Crystal was my first game and I always thought it was my favorite because of that. After playing through every generation I'm comfortable saying its not just because I started with it.

Weren't those done by different teams from the main series?

4th gen was the high-point of the series tbh. Post-Black/White pokemon is horrible.

Why would someone do that? Just go on the internet and lie? Gen 4 had the most amount of shitmons before X and Y came out.

Give pokemon to atlus
turn it into SMT, but with pokemon abilities.
Instead of fusing let the pokemon have a pool of abilities they learn, and they can equip up to 4 (or more depending on the game design. Since it is becoming SMT i'd say 10/12, passives included)
Instead of Fire/Ice/Thunder/Force/Light/Darkness have all the pokemon types.

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I can buy my own no problem with real money. Don't need to waste points on that.

Most of the points should be utilized on passive perks. The rest you can get on your own. You don't need a starter. Just buy pokeballs and catch something, or use the free route trash to start with
No need to waste points on a starter.

Perks you can get without having to waste points:
Pokedex (you can get it later)
Backpack ( You can get it later)
Starter Pokemon (You can get them later)
Uncommon Pokemon (You can get them later)
Rare Pokemon (You can get them later)
The Bro (You can make one later. No need to spend points to manifest one)
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All these perks are not worth wasting points on. Just grab the route 1 trash to first make a starter early game team then use your much more powerful perks that you cannot get in any other way to get a better team, along with all the other starting pokemon. You can just go to the mall and buy a good backpack, and I'm sure you can buy a pokedex.

Now let's dismiss the perks that are useless:

(with Ace Spirit, Capture Pro and friends in high places you don't need this)
(useless unless you choose action man. Even then just buy items. No need to waste a point. If the touch healed people too, then it would be worth it. You should at least be able to use it in battle against wild pokemon)
(everybody gets this benefit. Not only you. If it was only you, then that gives you an advantage over the competition. Since it doesn't. It's not worth it)
waste of 3 points.
waste of 2 points unless your'e a poorfag. with friends in high places and ace's spirit you dont' need bed and breakfast.

Route Trash (Free)
Ace spirit is a must (1)
Friends in high places is a must (3)
Whisperer is also good for 1 point (1),
Action man (2)
Capture Pro (1)

In my opinion these are all cookie cutter best choices to make, up to (8) points.
Now you have 2 to spend with some level of option. You can go Viridian Touch and Petshop for Practicality's sake, or you can spend one point in Sick bastard instead, since you have Whisperer you are pretty much having sex with sentient beings who can consent. If you ever wanted to fuck your Gardvoir or Machoke there you go. The last two points are up to choice. Youngster's spirit needs elaboration. Can you catch up faster with ace's spirit? does it have synergy? Petshop is not that good because petshops already exist, and with ace spirit and capture pro you don't have to worry about it. Viridian Touch has so much practicality , and with Action Man you should be able to fasten training sessions. Viridian Touch has a lot of practicality and it is unique. However it needs elaboration. Does it use glucose/just stamina? if its just stamina or mana then sure thats fine. If its your life force then no. Since it doesn't state that way and it appears just to be mana then it's not bad at all for 1 point. You cannot obtain out of using points.
We can conclude Viridian's Touch and, in the long term Youngster's spirit, are the two best choices for the last two points. It really depends. Do you start your journey as a 10 year old? Either way Virdian's Touch and Sick bastard are good. Mainly because with Sick Bastard your pokemon are loyal 100%.

The only + points to get is probably Red Tape, which allows 3 more points. The only thing I can see which would be good is Going for change of scenery if you want to turn Earth into the world of pokemon. If its the same world the Government would eventually issue a lot of laws regarding pokemon anyway.

Tauros is still fairly decent.
Also, since gen V new abilities and moves have made old pokémon much more useful, such as mutltiscale, Sticky Web, and the weather abilities. In Gen V Politoed and Kingdra of all things was one of the most frequently encountered pokémon in multiplayer because of drizzle.

In some areas however I think nostalgia blinds people to the truth they don't want to hear however the recent pokemon games have been incredibly sub par compared to the originals and there is some genuine complaints how new mon games have been too repetitive and unadventurous and hand holding.
more variety of gameplay, more strategy involved in raising and battling, in general lots of things have been improved although it could in a lot of ways be better than it is. I personally hate IVs of having to play luck when its comes to raising pokemon rather than skill.
the newer games are too hand holding but some faggots will scream "ITS FUR KIDZ" even though every kid wants to explore and be independent anyone who didn't has too of had a pretty bad childhood. Plus more development into the main story would be nice and more end game content.
Depends on the develops commitment to wanting to try something new personally would love a game like pokemon Colosseum/XD but I don't hold my hopes up it may just be a game like rumble or mystery dungeon(even though I like MD) or some other pokemon spinoff title
What do you mean by relevant? As in the games themselves or just the genre overall? The anime has definitely gotten stale since the sinnoh region I would say.

The best the anime has ever been was Ash vs Paul
after that the show became shit
It should've followed gameplay meta for the battles.

You like weather and how they make old shitmons usable?
TOO FUCKING BAD FAGGOT

Get out normalfriend

I thought it was Chinese Dragon.

I thought that was a wyrm?

Sometimes I wonder if you fucks know what nostalgia is really like. When I had nostalgia for Quest64 I superimposed the box cover art over the whole game in some weird combination of the actual game's graphics and what the blurry mess I only half-remembered looked like. Even the shit I do remember clearly I had replaced the blurry low poly with a crisper higher res texture and the vague obscure details of low poly models completely changed what the enemies looked like.
And I only remember the forest, and I thought the boss looked like a pokemon. Nostalgia isn't just "oh well i think the game is good cause I like that gameplay and i still play it" no, nostalgia outright fucks with your mind and memories and this shit doesn't happen overnight it takes a long time because it's a gradual transformation.

The gameplay formula for Pokemon hasn't changed much, you could goand play Red/Blue and beat the game without instructions if you've played any other pokemon game. The real bullshit is finding all the hidden pokemon when you try to collect everything. Plus lack of UI polish compared to recent games and lack of good minigames. In order for nostalgia to kick in you'd have to have not played any pokemon game for for over a decade since Red/Blue.

Isn't that Gamefreak's main audience?

I don't deny that nostalgia fags have genuine complaints about games like pokemon because a lot of the older ones were generally better to the most modern ones. But you can't deny that modern ones have more stuff than gen 1 in terms of content. I agree they should go back too see what they did right and learn from there and just be realistic in terms of what makes a good game rather than just spam the player with a bunch of useless bullshit. IMO HGSS was probably the best pokemon game they made to date simply because everything was done right. I'm still on the fence of a pokemon mmo because I don't think many people will play it and will distract them from wanting to make new games with more effort in them also since mmos suck ass anyway. A pokemon open world would be interesting but most open world games are dumb because its mostly just empty spaces with useless shit. Games like banjo & kazooie did it right in terms of an open world game. I don't really want pokemon to become the COD for rpgs and just shilling out and making shit ass games

Mostly never with wings. Rayquaza have kind of wings as if a plane
4 legs and 2 wings
2 legs and wings
4 legs and no wings as a wyrm and they fly for rotational magic that's why they always are spinning in circle

I will forever be mad about Ultra Megalopolis.

Why couldn't you just add a street with a couple stores in the post-game, Game Freak?

WHY CAN'T WE GO IN THE FUCKING HOUSE?

WHY COULDN'T YOU SPEND 3 DAYS MAKING ONE FUCKING NPC THAT ISN'T THE ULTRA RECON SQUAD?

MAKE A COMPLETE GAME YOU INCOMPETENT FUCKS

I'd play Gen 1 over gen 7 hands down, gen 7 is legit a full drag to get through with the constant interruptions.
Mostly though if I'm playing pokemon I'm playing some super patched version of Gen 3 emerald which includes the physical Special split and lets me catch all 386 mons, usually a cheat to manipulate IV's to be perfect on my mons and then using teams to chill in the battle frontier with.
Can spend about a month there therapeutically filling the national dex between shit.

Forgot my piece on the anime, put it down holy shit, Ash is such a god awful protag and it's annoying to see the series justify him not being able to just use his other mons, like in any case where it looks super dangerous I'd ask for my top mons to be swapped out instantly over using fucking Littan.
The show should have changed protagonist with each region to have them keep their show fresh but I can't imagine being a faggot who watched gen 1 - 7 the entire time with this retard.
I watched sun and moon since the animation change sacrificing being awfully coloured on model for having nice shading and being better animated but damn fuck ash, legit the worst part of the show and it's entire premise would have been perfect for a different protag since it's a school designed for new trainers.

I've always wanted them to have multiple regions like they did in gen 2 (it was impressive to fit that much content into a GBC game, but kanto was pretty barebones) . You could nab the nostalgic players if you add older regions and those who want a new place to explore. It would be hell to design and balance though.

SM's anime does a better job of keeping my attention than any other season. Gen 7 in general felt like it was trying to be Yokai Watch, even down to making the anime fun to watch.

I enjoy everything about it but Ash.
It looks nice in motion Maybe after 128 episodes of DB super I'm just glad it doesn't look complete shit though but damn I just wish the MC was like the main boy of the game or something.

I need this

WPWYF

I think that's a common sentiment. It's odd they're so dead set on keeping Ash. According to these interviews from a while back, Ash wouldn't be replaced because the audience getting older and leaving while a younger one comes in allows them to be repetitive.
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Here's something interesting, though. There was a novelization for the anime and it made the world seem pretty dark. Ash's dad was a traveling trainer and just knocked up Ash's mom when he visited Pallet Town and left. There's not many jobs in the world and if a gym leader loses 3 times he loses his job so they sometimes bribe challenges. Or at least that's what my friend who read them a while back says.

T. writers who allowed 52 episodes of filler between Gym 7 and 8 in the gen 4 series.
T. Writers who've multiple times have done the "This starter mon has a super beyond final evo non mega form" shit
Jesus christ I hate it when in interviews they give excuses out their ass.

You best not be talkin' shit about Patamon, nigga.
But in all seriousness, I fucking hate Digimon

Am also interested in what you have written up.
Please, feel free to share.

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To be honest, Pokemon world would be awful to live in.
There are numerous ways to die painfully in it.
Including being smashed, crushed, minced, burned to ashes, killed with high-pressure geyser, eaten by aggressive plant, electrocuted to death with 100 MV, frozen to bone, killed with rock ejected with Gauss cannon-tier of power, buried alive, die from several kinds of poison, your inner organs slurped by giant bugs, mentally lobotomized by some psychic pokemon, get banished to netherworld by evil ghosts, get your shit fucked by martial arts masters, get pichun'd by numerous laser attacks, get BTFO'd by hurricanes and several more that I don't want to even think about.
Ouch.
Just 3? When they need to win 100 battles in row to become official gym?

Nostalgia is when you keep coming back to that shitty game from your childhood that you liked so much, not because it's good but because you have pleasant memories associated with playing it. Like those fags who keep insisting that genwun is the best gen while it looks and plays like ass, to each their own and everything but when you're trying to pass off your opinion as objectively the best one then you need to kill yourself.

Wyverns have venomous barbed tails

Mega evolutions weren't that bad of an addition as it brought a new element of guessing the opponent in multiplayer. Mind games can be done by having a couple of mega-capable pokemon in your team and have the opponent try to guess which one you will be sending out.

Now ultra beasts, those were the mistake. Their designs look too alien for Pokemon. Game Freak should have focused on adding more mega evos to the weaker mons that sorely need that extra competitive edge.

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I can't really answer your questions as I got into the series very recently Besides the spin-offs which I played in the past but I think it's fun with friends, has pretty interesting mechanics and I would really fuck the Ragyo clone Lusamine.

Gen 7 was bad for hand-holding, exploration, and rail-roading you from plot point to plot point, but Totem Pokemon (and Ultra forcing you to fight some legendaries instead of catch) was a step in the right direction.
Instead of getting into a potion fight with the opposing trainer, fighting something WAY above the level curve with stat boosts meant you had to chip it down and almost use your whole party. Assuming you didn't use EXP share, EXP boosting items, or tried to grind to match it's level.
Problem is- I don't think Game Freak realizes they made a step in the right direction. Their reason was much more likely to be "I dunno, this is different, should work for marketing".
Future games could make good use of it, Gym Leader's/Team whatever Boss'/Rival's main Pokemon being much higher level and the trainer uses an X stat item turn one. Or Legendary Pokemon can't be caught, but must be beaten (or they always hold on with 1 HP and only then does their capture rate go back to normal).

Movesets for Pokemon have also improved, with the moves learned by leveling up being much more varied instead of roughly 10 moves with maybe 2 or 3 damaging moves.

I refuse to believe these are official Pokemon, I don't care what anybody tells me.

Oh look, someone's cute fanfi…
This is why I stopped at Gen II

That's how you know they're from halfchan or reddit. Report and move on.

Ah yes, Gen 4, the underagefag's first Pokemon game from the mainstream popularity of the Nintendo DS.

Gen 3 GBA graphics/aesthetic were the best and all the games could be improved by going back to them (not counting gen 1 or 2 since we got LeafGreen/FireRed).

Don't bully the pata

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Literally more retarded then One Piece fags saying it gets better 150 episodes in.

I've been here since Exodus, what the fuck are you talking about?

Wow, it's almost like ghetto niggers don't get overheated about certain things to the point that people mock them.

Reported for not even attempting to hide how new you are.

Why do you give a fuck if some retard reports you for no reason? People who announce their reports are beneath notice.

I don't. I just want to know where the fuck all these retards started appearing from recently and why they're saying that everyone besides them is from halfchan or reddit.

They've always been here, dumbass. They just want to be backseat moderators because they think they can stop this website from dying. They can't.

Sure, Reddit or Halfchan-like posting has always been pointed out and made fun of, but now it just seems random. Almost like they're trying to make the site die faster by annoying everyone and screaming about it.

It would still be worth it for the variety of pussy you could easily acquire

Some Digimon are good but it's mostly just the ones that could pass for bootleg fan Pokemon. Once you get into Nudoomcyberdemonmon shit then it's just stupid.

yeah they advertised it like it would be another town to visit

WHY IS GUILMON SO FUCKABLE

See a psychiatrist.

To be fair, he is pretty fuckable.

I remember watching the show, getting up to the Mewtwo movie, and wondering what Ash was ever going to do to finally stop Team Rocket. Then the show kept going and he never did anything about them. It too me to playing up until Hoho to realize that I was being had as a corporate cow. Psyduck will always be my favorite. It hurts to know that Pokemon will never have a completed arc.

Read the manga if you want actual plots and resolutions.

yeah nah

I don't care anymore, it was just something my childhood felt deprived of. It was shitty that they trapped those characters in an endless loop of nothingness.

I don't care about that kind of pussy though.

And they're still doing it. Ash hasn't improved as a character, and keeps getting reset with every new region. He could be 25 and married to Misty by now, but that's not "kid friendly."

Actually, they should really do that since Japan is starting a nationwide agenda to increase the population.

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I would use them in capturing female trainers instead.

If you had a universe with living things capable of even spraying a 50 psi jet of water (typical water pressure found in housing and has no chance of hurting a Human if sprayed on them) and NOT hurting themselves the entire make up of said universe would need to be much different and sturdier.

In short if they can do this magical crap in the first place AND live to do it again you could tolerate it.

get out weeb

If anyone wants to fuck Dawn, here's a Koitatu card for when it comes out.

You still post here?

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I loved the old games music so much, it was fun to listen to and got you hype for the adventure to come

Agreed

Feels as if the newer iteration of games have lost the feeling of exploration and wonder that the originals had. I originally thought it was just me remembering my childhood fondly, but after replaying pokemon blue, I realized that wasn't the case. The newer games lack that feeling of a grand adventure, and being isolated from the world inbetween towns or when travelling through caves.

As an example, take pokemon gold/silver. It ends with you fighting Red at what feels like the end of the world. You're in an entirely different area, so far from home, and far as all hell from town, and you have this epic final confrontation between the two of you, as the greatest test of your abilities.

Or when you finally get Giovanni to come back to the gym. It feels monumental. Giovanni actually feels dangerous and it felt like you travelled a long way since first seeing the closed down gym, to that moment. The new games lack this.

Here's the mod for the full dex, but i dont know about the split

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Also having forced "friend" interactions out the ass and having them be fucking everywhere, while dumb story sections bog down passing through every town really pulls the free adventure feel out

If you are watching One Piece and not reading it you are doing it empirically wrong. Unless it's the One Pace project that removes all of the filler.

webm related
Absolute state of Pokemon fags, I legit think you might be more cucked then DBS fans.

Anime fans were used as an example, fuck actually watching and going through Toei "Quality" animation and pacing for for One Piece

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It's like you want to be bullied, faggot.

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They are low HP to some extent, not that it matters because you can just slap a sash on those and get a free dance, and don't even get me started on memekyu

I dunno, man. Consider that any challenge provided by the game is by level difference. In an entirely open world pokeman game, you'll be beefgated from many areas, ruining the purpose. Until you get a lucky pokeball in and catch some overleveled mon, at which point you've made any areas 5 levels below it's level a cakewalk.
I can't think of many ways to overcome this besides maybe level scaling, which is another can of worms (why am I even leveling up anyway?)

Gen 1 & 2 were original well thought out creations, culminateing in shit like professional play sandstorm tyranitor strata. Look at the retarded autistic shitfest excuse for monsters gen3 onwards has been. How you cannot realise this night and day split is beyond my inclusion of you in rationale observation. Pokemon became a fucking joke.

The only notable mainline series games were red blue yellow gold silver heart and soul.

Spheal is a walrus

No, Walrein is a Walrus, and Dewgong is Dugong.

english isn't your first language is it