Gimme one good reason I should participate in a communist movement that would ultimately benefit chads, roasties...

You don't have to. People who have removed themselves from society and only leech off of it are useless to revolution.

for fucks sake have you made any effort to learn more about what Communism/Socialism is about? A socialist society is about elevating the working class, its not the kumbayah bullshit you make it out to be, where you have to start loving every single person.

Are you poor and/or working class? If so you have skin in the game and a Socialist society is designed to work better for people in your economic situation. That is the entire point of communism.

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I don't work through, never did, never will have to

This man is a true egoist. Where's your spooks now boys?

What would u do without welfare?

It's actually true and is the only thing that keeps me doubtful about communism

He isn't though. The moment the welfare runs out or is not enough anymore he'll be fucking miserable.

soup kitchens and church programs. homeless shelters aren't too horrible

Work is good, alienated work with labor stolen is bad

U have to interact with homeless and Normies in these places and life is tough

well it's a step down for sure but still liveable, a homeless shelter i stayed at was okay becuause they had a strict no drugs/alcohol policy, spend most of the day wandering the streets to get away from the other weirdo hobos

Why don't u stop renting and live there right now? Use ur welfare for ur pleasures. That would be egoist. While ur at it don't even bother with washing up either who cares what normies and chads think

Yet you are still poor, correct? If you think your life would be better - in any capacity - if you were less poor, then socialism is in your interest.
If not, you are classcucked bootlicker who is honestly beyond hope

I can't tell what's funnier, either the fact that you think human labor is for "normalfags", or the fact that you think that communism will fail because people actually LIKE working all the time for reasons other than pay.

gimme one good reason I should give a fuck if a lumenprole such as yourself joins a communist movement?

They're both pretty funny aren't they

I don't think you have any good reason to participate in any movement when your life is as horrible as it is, especially when you don't think your life is a problem. Communism probably wouldn't have allowed the circumstances that made you become a misanthropic, bitter NEET, and if it did exist it'd probably allow you to escape this life a lot easier than in this society, but if you're perfectly glad with living off welfare and the system being the way it is, then there's really no reason for you to care, since you're incapable of seeing anything past your immediate material self-interests.

you'll go to gulag for education

You sound angry dude

because a subsidized apartment is pleasurable? are you dumb?

what does poor mean? that's a relative term from my point of view I'm living high on the hog

Not angry at all, not even annoyed. Just saying it as matter of factly as possible. I know how horrible NEET life is, and I know that if someone is incapable of seeing that or unwilling to change it and would rather leach off welfare, then there's really no reason for them to care about anything. A communist society would not allow them to live the way they think they want, therefor they have no reason to want the society.

No he doesn't

I dunno maybe bring that up at the next meeting of the revolutionary council with all of the other neurotypical easily manipulated normgroids

keep doing this whole NEET-on-welfare thing, user. In about a year or two of your little bohemian shelter-hopping life you will know what it feels like to be poor, and will realize how dumb you sound asking this question.

hmm sorry I really don't know what you're trying to say, but I WILL keep on doing it for sure

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Why

i'm set for life buddy, and I don't care for the rest of them, and I have nothing to offer even if did. Neurotypicals seem to be incapable of understanding stability and asceticism and are neverendingly chasing shiny objects

next

This is a pretty simple statement honestly. But ok.

I told you banning the frogposters on sight was a good idea.

hmm I guess you hail from reddit calling me a "frogposter"

maybe you should post DAT BOI that's a funny meme for neurotypicals isn't it?

Why would Communism benefit Chads more than the current situation, though?

Daily reminder

The sheer fucking irony.

I think I would've realize that without you saying it.

Because they've given up on any meaningful life and would rather distract and sedate themselves with mass media and porn then try to create a real life. They have no reason to care about Communism or Socialism because it wouldn't allow them to live the way they do now. Willingly and happily being a NEET is resigning yourself to a non-life.

You're definitely not set for life. And don't pretend like you're happy being a NEET. I know how shitty NEET life is, I know how depressed NEETs are. Your smug delusion doesn't change the circumstances of your non-life. But this isn't about whether you like your life or not, it's about trying to persuade you why Communism is in your best interests. Objectively, it'd make you a happier and more fulfilled person, but if believe you already are, then there's zero reason for you to care about any new society.

top tier Nietzschean analysis. The immortal science of the one true good and the demonstration of his true philosophical contributions.

yes the neurotypicals from reddit used to farm our misery for uoboats starting sometime in early 2014, I'm only here because lately Holla Forums has been raising /r9k/

never really understood what irony is, can you expand?

Listen m8, socialism isn't what you think it is. All we want to do is reorganize society in such a way that maximizes human potential. I don't think you're a disgusting person, it's more likely that you weren't socialized well and you've given on the world and yourself as I result. It's understandable

That's all I can say, being I normie and all. I empathize with your situation

but I am happy and don't need to work, you have nothing to offer what I don't get under the current system!

FALC would be within your interests. Also look into Bob Black.
primitivism.com/abolition.htm

I don't think they have; you're turning relative truths about the conditions these people live under into abstract principles which hold true for a supposed all because of their general concrete condition. This condition is just a reflection of the material opportunities available to them; they are products of mindless consumption because that is all they are required to do, not that they are less willing to change. You're throwing onto an imagined collective a capacity for agency which doesn't exist, and in the process condemning real people to what is the object of scorn.

"Fucking normalfags" is just another form of idpol, like "us gamers". /r9k/ really feels like tumblr where everyone is having their equivalent to oppression olympics with their unfunny madeup greentext stories and shitty memes.

I can offer actual happiness and contentment, but if you don't want that, you're right, there is nothing to offer you that you don't get under the current system. Also being productive is an integral part of human happiness; not wageslaving obviously, but being productive and contributing in some way.

I'm not talking about the precariat or other people who simply can't find a job; NEETs like the ones in this thread, simply don't want a non-NEET life, they want to continue jerking off all day, shitposting on imageboards, and playing vidya. Some might want to change, but those aren't the type who brag about their life or post on /r9k/, but even those who want to change usually can't or won't, usually for psychological reasons, not material.
I'm not condemning anyone, simply stating that how these type of people are. I don't know how much agency they have, I'm just saying that most have given up on a functional life and instead consume to make up for it, and that a large portion of these people are so institutionalized by their circumstances they've become delusional and think it's a positive and therefor have no reason to want a different system.

What is slavery then? Double stealing?

tldr; I'm lazy, stupid AND lack basic empathy for other human beings the thread.

I don't think OP did anything wrong, he's acting in his self-interest and I can respect that. But take heed from the other posters, OP, once the shit hits the fan you're going to be in a pretty destabilized position.

everything, stick a while and lurk

why would /r9k/ favor the existing societal conditions? Most NEETs are self-loathing, depressed and unmotivated. A fairer and better society and its approach to the disenfranchised would benefit you as well. Go easy on the jouissance OP, the satisfaction you received from this thread and the several prolapsed comments isn't going to sooth your depression.

The term "normalfag" has fuck all to do with politics, stop talking out of your ass.

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Nice spooks boi

Well, having a tougher time existing?
Unless dying of hunger is spooky

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You're fighting for nothing.

You're whole world is a big web of spooks.

You're a dirty piece of shit who needs to die.

Profit is essentially stolen labor, yes.

marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1847/wage-labour/

Do you want a good reason?
It will make Clinton cry.

You are a self absorbed little bitch I don't give a fuck about you. Chad is probably better to hang out with because he isn't such an entitled little twerp.

Since I'm /r9k/s favourite person, I should be able to answer your question.

The problems you have are partially caused by capitalism. The system causes so called alienation, which makes any job you work hell. You can actually gain satisfaction from work but that has been fazed out under capitalism, which instead turns people into cogs in a machine, making them do soul crushing repetitive labour. The thing NEETs hate isn't work in itself but the terrible work of modernity.
As I see it from your post, you are lonely. Isn't it strange how you can walk down a street and see people you know nothing about all the time? Mass society has created a world where you can be alone among millions and where everyone is judged on first impressions. Ugly people are discriminated against for the most shallow of reasons, the destruction of connections between humans has made the aggressive extroverts you despise the rulers of the world. Under communism, we wish to create a more decentralized world, nobody would have to leave family and friends to chase after a high paying job in another city or country, instead, people can stay in their comfy commune, appreciate each other for their characters instead of simply outward appearances.
Lastly, you get to have some catharsis. The revolution gives you a good chance to bash in the head of your asshole boss, isn't that something worth fighting for?

Yeah right on man, let's just dismiss all critiques of present society on the basis that people really ought not to want things. Nobody deserves the basic comforts of a normal life and so on

Well you deserve to be mocked. Get out of here with that moralistic tyranny.

You have the same complaints about just pretty much everything in the political spectrum. Which makes me want to ask, do you find yourself subscribing to any ideology or are you just apathetical?

why don't you give me a reason why you should be let in

Yeah I mean what's wrong with drugs and boypuss? Though you really shouldn't mix the two

Don't stop me now

Why did anyone reply to this guy?

There was no part of this thread that wasn't bottom-tier trolling.

Subtle, Holla Forums.

Because newfags will forever pander to snowflakes making narcissistic OP's.

Anime is counter revolutionary. After porkie breathes his last all gamers will be liquidated inshallah

Narcissists don't face social rejection
also

I'm saying they haven't given up a functional life by choice, and that those with the capacity to make that choice are beyond temporary reason only in so far as they remain insulated from reality. If anything, bragging delusionally about circumstances beyond your control is just a reflection of how at some level these idiots are self-aware of their powerlessness; that they spin it into a positive is just another factor of how disconnected they are from other people who aren't like themselves. You're conflating a permanent expectation about these people with how they actually live their lives.

Posting ur pawl repeatedly is reddit tier at this point and is as bad as posting actual Nazi propaganda.

Profit is value created from nothing. Labor has no set value.

You can no steal value from a laborer because the value of labor fluctuates.

You cant run a business without profit. You cant employ people without profit.

The only other way to create value from nothing is loans, and you'll find that loans are the true theft and slavery when given out unscrupulously.

You've bought into a poorly thought out meme that ignores the magic of creating value. You cant get that magic anywhere but paying a man "slightly less" than what his labor is worth.

You cant just ignore economics and mans personal interest to better himself.

The true enemy has always been the banking cartels that fuck with the value of all things by manipulating the currency.

They create nothing from nothing, and then make you their indentured servants because you agreed to it.

The real theft is removed by a third degree so you cant see it. Don't be a basic bitch. Do your research.

It's in my self interest to live, so I won't be doing that
You can do that and go back to reddit

That's not "reddit spacing" though.

And calling everyone you don't like reddit isn't the same?

All utility is the product of labor.
And you can't steal value from someone by siphoning gas from their car, because the value of gas fluctuates. Right on, man.
Loans literally don't do that, though. Someone still had to produce the wealth which the loan represents. Even if you're talking about the multiplier effect here.
Marxism is literally all about how value is created
You create value by doing socially necessary labor. Stealing the product of others' labor through inherently coercive labor contracts does not create value, merely transfer and accumulate it.

What makes you think that's not a natural product of capitalism? When it is perpetually in the material interest of the bourgeoisie to manipulate currency, offer exploitative loans, and create the conditions whereby people are effectively "forced" to take them, individual ideals will only count for so much, and there is always someone without those ideals to replace and succeed over whoever opts out.
Capitalism is no more voluntary than usury. Sure, both parties nominally agree. But that's ignoring context, and the parties' influence upon said context.

I- what?

Transhumanism is what you want

That is meaningless what are you trying to say?
The gas in their car was paid for by them because of their labor. TThe gas was earned. You stealing gas someone else earned is not the same as paying someone less that the EXACT value they feel their labor is worth.

What is the dollar amount of labor? Is all labor the same value? Your marxists texts are intentionally vague. Because they don't have answers to these questions. No one does. Ironically despite all your kevtching against idpol, your beliefs are pure identity politics through and through.

All labor is socially necessary. But who pays for it? Where does value that did not exist previously come from? Only two places. Loans(Slavery), or Profit(Freedom).

I don't care if it is or isn't. Only that it's destroyed. Our society wasn't always like this, and unregulated banking is the reason.

People who create value from nothing, without even using labor are lower than dirt. All loan sharks must hang.

Join Nazbol and forge the new spiritual aristocracy.

because capitalism caused your life to turn into this. youtube.com/watch?v=96SrWO5Na54

No. What? How?
Yeah, or they paid for it with the labor of others.
Unless you're an idle rentier living off the products of others' labor, sure.
If you buy gas with stolen labor value, you're in essence stealing gas from others.
Bout tree fiddy
Seriously though, the difference between value of the factors of production and value of the product. Because that's the value added, through the action of labor.
No.
Not in the least bit, but feel free to suggest examples of this.
Class isn't an identity. It's your objective relationship to the means of production, which exists independently of your conception of this relationship. Identity by contrast only exists through conception of identity. The distinction is important because one is scientific and the other is mystical.
Nigger I literally inb4'd you when I said "even if you're talking about the multiplier effect here." You clearly either need to read up on it yourself or have no idea what the phrase "pyramid scheme" means, because total money supply is bounded above by a finite value at literally any fucking reserve requirement. If there was no reserve requirement, that upper limit on the money supply would not exist. So it seems as though this regulation precludes precisely what you accuse it of causing.
And expansion of the money supply isn't value creation.
Seriously go take macro 101
It's literally those who own enough of the means of production to subsist on the labor of others you twat, that's the definition.
No, it's not. See: mudpies
Labor
Neither of these create value. They're not material processes. And on what basis do you distinguish between the two, why are loans "slavery" while expropriative wage-labor is "freedom"? In what sense is the latter more voluntary than the former? You shouldn't be tripping over this, even if you were a fucking ancap.
Well you should, because whether it is or isn't has implications for whether or not it can be destroyed without first destroying class rule.
We haven't always been in capitalism, or feudalism before that.
First it's the fractional reserve requirement and now it's the lack of such requirements, oy vey!
What, pray tell, caused """unregulated banking"""?
Good fucking luck, man, the bourgeoisie seem to love investing in stocks n shit. Way more convenient for them than fully owning individual factories. But yeah, you go get that law passed, bucko.