Recently an ESA representative showed up to Hawaii in order to answer some questions about how lootboxes and shit like that shouldn't be illegal or regulated by the ESRB, what happens next is pretty funny since he struggles really hard with every single question.
Personally I don't believe that the government should get involved in this kind of shit but it might be to late now
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It would be even better if people simply stopped buying games at all from any company that ever implemented lootboxes anytime in their existence.
Stop funding your enemies.
It's trash.
Utopian thoughts are unhealthy. Sometimes there's nothing to do but to bring in the lawmakers like we already do for most forms of gambling. Which is what lootboxes and gacha is.
Does it feel good slurping on that corporate cock like the consumer whore you are?
Government should regulate guns.
Government should regulate games.
Government should regulate movies.
And most importantly - government should regulate your sexual life, grab it by the pussy.
It's really simple: lootboxes aren't gambling. You're always getting something out of it, and they're given out for free simply by playing the game. They've only become centralizing in the current industry because idiots don't know how to stop themselves from wasting their money. It's our responsibility as consumers to demand higher quality games, but it won't happen because gamers, at large, are too impulsive. Jonathan Blow (dev behind Braid and The Witness) tweeted about the issue a while back and he basically answered the issue better than anyone else I've seen discussing it. Whether you think he's a good developer or not, he brings up some good points that I think are worth considering. Like I said, the issue is essentially in our hands, but it's a matter of responsibility: twitter.com
The games industry has shown it will never regulate itself properly, and most consumers are retarded, dumb sheep. So fuck all of them.
So, for you, stopping to impulsively buying something made to extort you and fun your enemies is an utopia.
A cuck. Got it.
It is even simpler: lootboxes are extortion and we won't let the industry keep using them or anything related to them.
This.
At this point, anything that ruins the greedy companies is a good thing for the consumers. Let the big out, and open way for new and small.
If someone can't help themselves, it's better that they waste money now and not breed than taint the genepool with their filth.
No no, we can't do that. We have to shift personal responsibility onto state nannies to protect stupid people from themselves so we can have beautiful dysgenics.
haha, jokes on you, I have no sex life!
Except this isn't always true. For every game where you can get them for free, there's 1-2 others where you have to pay real money for them. Where do you think the term "pay to win" came from?
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What a shill. That retards argument got immediately blown the fuck out, multiple times in multiple ways, right in the replies. He's stupid and only interested in protecting the cocksucking publishers, probably so he can receive a quickie reacharound for his good goyerism.
That's only an unintended consequence. We need to do something to prevent greedy fucks like EA running the gaming industry into the ground, because stupid people aren't going to suddenly stop being stupid.
Into the oven with you
Well gambling is regulated. And Weed It is matter of consistency. Either go full ancap and let casinos run as they like or regulate all forms of gambling the same. Treating them differently as we do now makes no sense.
I don't have a reaction image that can properly capture how I feel about reading this sentence. I'm confused and disgusted, yet I can't help but laugh at how absurd this statement is. How out of touch with reality can someone possibly be? Nobody will buy a cheaper product competing with a more expensive product?
Both sides are run by kikes. Whoever wins, we lose. Either soulless corporations keep running wild and unchecked, or the government shoves its dick even deeper into another part of the media. Either way, (((they))) win.
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What about letting us buy what we actually want instead of making us gamble indefinitely until we get it?
What a load of bullshit that guy is spewing.
Out of the top of my head I could name 10 games from that era, that easily blow out every non-game that this asshole has shitten out.
It speaks volumes about the industry, that stuff from the SNES can still hold a candle to most of modern days titles.
Meanwhile plenty of games sell for that much without having them, retarded argument.
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Not only do plenty of games not let you obtain them for free but:
This is gambling.
Holy shit, the guys answering the questions are total retards.
Even though I'm against lootboxes there are lots of shit they could have said to try to prevent it from being illegal and they just decided to stay shut.
For example, when the guy asking questions talked about skin trading websites and such where you can "cash out" what you earn from lootboxes he could have said that most companies or at least the ones that he is backing are against such sites and that using them is a violation of their terms of conduct, and if they get to know that an account has dealt with such sites it gets banned from trading etc.
Which is partially true, because almost all games I've played are against such behavior, even though it's rarely really enforced.
Instead, he decided to say he had no comment on that.
Of course, I do not have a lot of knowledge about laws(even more US laws) but he could have said what I just said in a way or another.
I think that goes with everything.
Making a book that's a hit is hard
Making a great movie is hard
Making a platinum album is hard
Every field of consummable goods is competing to 'survive'
The most 'lootbox' in food is the cereal box toy.
There is no lootbox in books, or movies, or albums.
Both Braid and The Witness are games, don't go down that route.
Alright, I give you Braid, but I consider The Witness just a glorified walking simulator with puzzle elements.
My point still stands, Braid gets blown the fuck out by most of the SNES platformers.
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I absolutely hate the thought of the gubmint getting involved in video game legislation, but the ESRB really shit the bed on this one. Fucking corporate cocksuckers trying keep to this rolling for as long as possible before it gets legislated to make a quick buck.
At the end of the day though, it's still retarded customers who can't keep their own hands out their wallets who let it get this bad in the first place.
Majority of the time playing the game is spent staring at those various panels trying to figure out how you're suppose to solve them (that's not a compliment mind, the game could stand to have made use of its gameworld more), its also possibly one of the least handholdy games ever made, you're left to figure absolutely everything out on your own.
Also I think we'd need a SNES platformer that was even anything remotely like Braid for it to be btfo'd.
It really comes down to whales. They don't care, they just keep spending. I've known several people to dump hundreds of dollars at a time on shitty mobile games on a regular basis. It's a mental illness.
Did you ask them why? What the fuck is wrong with them?
Shit mate, you work in the fucking industry.
Basically the only game you ever made people gave a shit about apes mechanics from games back then.
How the fuck can you lie like this and not be disgusted with yourself?
And this isn't even to mention one of the only games with any sort of replay value released these days is BIG SHOCK
A ZELDA GAME WITH SOMEWHAT ZELDISH MECHANICS AND AN OPTIONALLY ABRIDGED PROGRESSION OF THE OVERWORLD
A GAME TRYING TO RECREATE THE FEELING OF AN N64 (Launch?) TITLE
AND A REMAKE OF A FLASH GAME FROM 2010
Kind of sad, really. Watching western games get fucked with gachashit just to catch a few whales. There isn't much other option but legislation if the industry can't regulate itself.
But is the cure worse than the sickness?
WONT SOMEONE PLEASE THINK OF THE CHILDREN!!!
What's the worst that could happen? It would only affect lootbox using games right? And we all hate those don't we?
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So by his view:
If you made a series of lotto tickets where you always get something, but it can be less than the cost of the ticket, would it be gambling?
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Way to miss the point dumbass. You say wouldn't it be nice if people didn't do stupid things. I say that is wishful thinking and reality wants a word. The market has answered to this evil with tons of money, and so other corrective forces will have to come into play. Law. Gambling is already heavily regulated to prevent outright cheating (casinos are still a terrible idea) and some forms of gacha are already regulated in the similar fashion.
For reference I had some difficulty getting my parents to realize the stuff they were paying for in their favourite mobage was pay-to-win, only because you can get everything in the game without paying. However paying gets you the things NOW. Time advantage matters.
I THINK that's a requirement in certain gacha legislation but don't quote me on that. Most of the legislation is about making the drop rates explicit and punishing games that cheat it (and people have gone as far as to prove bias).
Critical difference is that cereal box toys are a bonus to something you're already paying for, intended as a promotional thing.
And let deformed kikes have more money? No, thanks,
This.
Both the state AND the corporations are our enemies. Also, whales. They are the frontline of the enemy.
Direct and violent actions are needed. Killing kikes and their supporters IS a good option.
Violence is always an option.
That is why violence is always an option.
If killing people over video games seems rational to you, then sure.
Jesus, who hired these fucking idiots?
You know who you are and what needs to be done.
I wish I could be paid whatever salary these guys receive and be allowed to say "I can't answer that" when a state legislator is staring daggers at me across the table. Christ, there are a hundred different ways to deflect from this and push responsibility onto parents and individuals, and they can't bring a single one of them to bear. I really hope we see some corporate blood in the streets once this reaches higher levels of government.
Killing people that are detrimental to what one want is always the rational thing to do.
Go out and kill them instead.
Why wait?
Shed their blood now.
That lobbyist looks like he got his haircut out of a lootbox. Would have been a pretty impressive pompador were he in his 20's and it were thick sleek black or golden blone instead of being thinning, ragged and grey.
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TL/DR: The ESRB is planning to add a new label to indicate whether or not a title has in-game purchases. Kind of iffy given that this would throw "legitimate" DLCs and actual lootboxes into the same bundle, but I'd argue it's better than nothing. Especially because the number of legitimate DLCs that aren't a shitty cashgrab is fairly small.
I agree no one should buy the shit but that doesn't stop a lot of idiots from doing it and ruining their lives on the crap, and those idiots then become a drain on society for no good reason. As fun as it is to say that that's their problem, gamblers have an astonishing capacity to become other people's problems too, and there's no good reason for this shit to be defended.
Nigger please, this shilling is obvious as fuck. We all know that if it was just about getting shit, they wouldn't lootbox the crap but would just sell it directly. The whole point of lootboxing is to use the risk-reward cycle to get people addicted to wasting money gambling for the "cool" shit. The entire fucking point of lootboxing is cashing in on gambling addictions.
ESRB labeling is always a cheap move to try to avoid government regulation. Honestly lootbox labeling is not enough.
IIRC those are new japanese gatcha laws.
Who hired this guy? He doesn't even have per-packaged answers to the most basic questions. Also I keep seeing people say this is a "new" issue. There have been games with gatchas for years, since even before mobage/facebook.
Last I checked, only AAA releases with multi-million dollar marketing campaigns and some particularly niche games even go for more than $30, let alone $60.
The simple fact of the matter is that the supply of games has grown to the point where $60 is not the market price anymore.
As a Hawaiian, watching this guy rip these greedy corporate assholes a new one, without a single drop of "hello fellow kids", sends a strange twinge of pride and humanity through my heart.
Won't rest can't rest until every game with lootboxes or non-cosmetic pay2win is slapped with mandatory AO rating.
yes they are,shitty,overated and pretentious,but games nonetheless
ESA and every publisher they lobby can go fuck themselves, they fucked up, I don't want Government retarded regulations, but their response, especially EA's, were fucking dog shit.
This is worse than nothing. It equates buying tennis ball with casino trip so to speak and tries to pretend that this is norm.
The government getting involved in corporations using loopholes to allow 12 year olds to spend endless amounts of money on a roulette simulator isn't a bad thing, jews are not people and should not be treated as such.
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Don't give them any leeway. Microtransactions are cancer, period.
Do you not understand what inflation is?
Only cartridges sold for more than 60$. PC and CD games used to cost way less than 60$ and had more shit with them too.
Throughout most of the 90s, PC (Mac, in my case, but the prices were the same) games were $35 for older or mid-market, $45 for AAA, and as much as $55 for insane dream projects like Wing Commander IV. These prices held pretty steady during the transition from floppies to CDs, speaking of which, not only is the amount of physical stuff decreased now, but you can buy either direct from the publisher/dev, or through a modern portal like Steam or GOG that takes a way smaller cut than older brick & mortar retailers or mailorder catalogs did.
Sierra games, at least, were always expensive and more in line with current pricing. But they did give deep discounts and free games for people who engaged in other outside partnerships - like switching to AT&T or buying certain sound cards.
What really made PC gaming fun and cheap back then was these roaming caravan "expos" where traveling software resellers and local shops and hobbyist programmers would get together at the nearest community center/arena. They always had grab-bag boxes of floppy disks for a dollar a piece, or retail games that were slightly old going for like 80% off. And if you knew the right people, there were tons of bootleg copies of retail software going for dirt cheap. Hardware both old and new and exotic was available, and enthusiasts mingled freely with retailers who were also enthusiasts. They usually also had a section just for console games.
Christ I miss those. The closest we get to that these days are Steam sales.
Video related, though extra Jewish sounding since it's targeted to le happy mechants rather than consumers.
You ever read the screencap of a friend of the now-divorced Star Citizen guy that spent his children's college fund (~20k) on Star Citizen ships? He already has two kids. Dumb money sinks aren't a selective pressure.
You're oversimplifying this. People aren't buying things because they want a $400 digital jacket, they're buying a $400 digital jacket because they think they can sell the same digital jacket for $401 steambucks or more.
If you ever look at the Steam Market, it looks just like the interface of a stock market or cryptocurrency exchange, except they're not funding a company or project. They're plainly speculating on prices of entirely cosmetic digital items.
We are being shilled.
Governments should regulate underage gambling
You're so not from here. Lurk more before being a retard in public
Oh look, all the first posts are shill posts. EA is shilling us right now.
How the fuck are people this bad with money? I live in Cali and am perfectly content off of $800 a month yet that retard spent as much as I make in over 2 years on virtual ships.
user, the first post you quoted says "Stop giving money to companies that use microtransactions". How's that shilling?
You can say shills all you want but all the politicians pushing for this shit are (((democrats))). The same party who used to say video games cause school shootings and need to be regulated. All the government wants is a fucking excuse to get into an industry. Once they are in they just eat out all the good inside to make it "acceptable for society". It's why television and radio are garbage and why places like Germany and Australia regularly ban certain video games from being sold in the country.
Kill this faggot
As a good example of this, look at the pubg game. You get crates which will randomly give you the clothes you want, but the best ones are extremely rare, almost like a unique skin or model. You also have to pay for the key with real money to open the chest now, since the new one comes with a padlock on it. Keep in mind this is just for the chance of like 0.2% to get something good. They also upped the percentage of you getting the locked crates to 40% so you are almost guaranteed to get them over other crates.
Keep in mind as well, that you need to farm points in game to actually buy these crates, in which the type is randomly assigned to your crate, which is where the spoiler above comes into play. So you're spending time to have a chance to buy a key from them to have less than 1% of a chance for something good. That seems like gambling to me. Seems like they're running a racket tbh.
It's speculation.I don't have the screencap right now, but it even mentions that he thinks it will be valuable in the future. He went all in with 20k because he thinks he can sell the same ships for even more.
This isn't just impulse and irrational pseudo-investing. These microtransactions are a completely separate market from video games ergo market pressures in video games i.e quality do not affect microtransactions directly. Note that you don't even need to own a specific steam game to buy a microtransaction for that steam game.
You underage retard it was Repubs who mostly said videogames cause violence. Besides is evolution wrong because it was Dems who push for it compared to intelligent design?
So the comic book crash all over again except dumber because its not even physical goods.
Yeah Joseph Lieberman, Hilary Clinton, and Leland Yee are all well known republicans. Republicans normally just use video games as a shitty defense for guns but never actually push it. Democrats on the other hand push for shit like Lieberman and Clinton's push in the 90s lead to the ESRB. Then Yee's bullshit made the supreme court actually make a decision and solidly give video games free speech protection. Also no evolution is correct because there is evidence that shows that to be the case. The same way I also said that whenever the government gets involved in creative mediums they turn to shit like broadcast radio and television. Then also gave the example of Germany and Australia constantly banning video games because they have ratings boards operated by their governments.
I don't recall many Repubs calling for governmental intervention over video game violence. They didn't stand against it, and where advantageous, did either explicitly or tacitly approve of the crusade against games - but they didn't spearhead or push the governmental hearings. They simply weren't going to allow principals to stand in the way of votes when there's a moral panic going on.
Especially since many of their constituents in the religious right/moral majority were railing about the evils of video games themselves. The difference being that the religious right asserted pressure on the parents and society from the pulpit to encourage boycotts of videogames and demonize video game players - while the left started screaming about "muh children" and demanded government intervention. There wasn't a good guy defending the games industry at the time. Everybody wanted to get in on the beat down to score political points from a hot-button issue. They just used different avenues of attack.
Ah, but you've missed the important part. When a Repub blames videogames, it's because he's just playing 4d chess you're too stupid to understand, so it doesn't count.
Literally Trump himself did.
Fuck off shill.
I remember being part of a local MUG (Macintosh Users' Group), sort of a little club with maybe a hundred members. Aside from helping each other and distributing floppies with free software (to save on download time), we'd sometimes get local software and hardware devs in to hold events. Some of the bigger MUGs like Berkeley and Arizona even ran BBSs.
Nice FUD, shill.
GET OUT OF MY FUCKING BOARD NOW
The other industries are shit because of kikes and leftists though.
Also, the government stepping in and ruining it for them is at least better than what we have now, that is games ruined only for us.
If we can't have what we want, the way we want, them ruin everything for everyone.
It was, in fact, mostly democrats who pushed the idea to create legislation against vidya. Leland Yee, Hillary Clinton, Joe Lieberman, Tim Johnson, Evan Bayh, and many other lefties were all on board for that shit.
Trump said he thinks its weird that the line for ratings on vidya and movies is sex. Kids can see violent movies and play violent games, but when sex is involved, everyone loses their goddamned minds. They can play games and see movies where people get brutally murdered and most parents just kind of shrug it off. They even, unironically, use the "they can see worse things on TV" as a defense for why they let their kid play GTA… But when it was implied that there existed inaccessible code for a crude minigame where two fully clothed polygonal characters rub up on each other, people lost their shit.
That's what Trump was getting at. Stop reading on the headlines and the most upboated thread on reddit, you shitstain.
trump is a RINO tbh
Hes honestly more liberal than repub.
He literally said videogames are causing monsters and need to be stopped.
Shills want to turn this into a right/left thing because shills play both fucking sides.
Nope, he directly backed the same pseudoscience as infamous right-wingers like Jack Thompson pushed years ago, about media having magical mind-control powers. And that backing by Trump is being used by Republican legislators in places like Rhode Island to tax wrongthink in vidya:
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Stop being a partisan shitter and stand up for sanity, bitch.
Did you even read the link you posted, or did you just hurry to post something assuming that attaching a link would be enough?
freedom of the internet is good
kikes using dopamine addictive gambling tactics to make money out of people is not
Yes, I read it. Did you?
Kek, I almost didn't notice this bullshit.
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well it does create debt
It's just the usual out of touch boomershit that they always say when they need to justify another ill-conceived tax hike. Chicago tried that shit last year when they tried to tax soda, claiming the money was going towards helping fat diabetic children. They don't believe the dumb shit they say, they just need to say something that sounds emotionally powerful and creates a sense of urgency to get people on their side. it's not about pushing pseudoscience or misguidedly trying to protect children. It's about manipulating voters, because politicians are all retarded scumbags.
Look at the actual arguments that were used during these proceedings, and notice that all of them came from a right-wing stance (muh childrunz, muh sex, muh violins), and the most infamous Democrats involved in such activity (Tipper Gore, for instance) argued from an explicitly Christian fundamentalist stance. More telling yet, Republicans happily voted for such measures (in the case of Leland Yee, from arch-hypocrite Arnold Schwarzenegger!), all the organized opposition came from other Democrats.
It wasn't until the post-2007 SJW era that you started seeing "leftists" arguing for censorship from an explicitly "leftist" (muh soggy knees, muh raycism, muh elitism) stance, and Republican politicians are still thin on the ground among opponents of such measures, with all opposition still coming from Democrats.
You disingenuous illiterate shill, read my post. I'm not saying that increased spending on mental health is bad, but that blaming its causes on vidya is. It doesn't matter what the tax is being spent on, but what the tax is being imposed on. It normalizes the pseudoscientific idea censors are trying to push on normalfags, whether or not the politicians themselves actually believe it.
I was saying it was bad. Are you retarded?
Saying what was bad, moral panics targeting vidya? The mental health of Americans? The mental health industry? The concept of mental health?
Dr. Spock would like to have a word with you. Remember also that while Right-Wingers were not immune to using their children as moral grandstands, they typically advocated for strong family units and proper moral and religious instruction as the answer to many of the problems being faced. It was left wingers and the rise of the nuclear family which saw single-parent households being normalized (if not outright endorsed and praised). Unfortunately, this left a LOT of children (especially urban children) home alone while the mother worked two jobs in the best of cases (no jobs and mooching off welfare at worst). The leftist needed government regulations and public works foundations to help raise their kids because one parent who also (usually) had to work just wasn't enough to actually raise children.
The government taking away guns. My post was very clear in its intentions.
sure
Right back at you. It's a justification for more taxes, most of which are already unfairly imposed upon people for shitty reasons which were pushed with the same kind of rhetoric. It's bad for society, so we should make more money off of it so people use less of it, giving the state more money to solve the problems caused by it.
Jack Thompson, back during the peak of his relevance, made the moronic claim that video games were "murder simulators" which trained kids how to operate guns and kill people with them, because they were so realistic. He based this asinine conclusion off the fact that the Columbine shooters fucked around with Doom for fun, which he believed was them running training drills for their shooting.
The dumb assertion being made now is that being exposed to violent media will make you more violent later on. It's not even a claim that can be suitably backed up, but it doesn't have to be, same as any lefty agenda. The police fucked up in Florida by using some retarded scheme to end racism by not charging shitskins with crimes to keep the Parkland shooter from getting any marks on his background check… But no one cares about that shit, because CNN's little troupe of crisis actors are in front of the camera 24/7 shouting "DO SOMETHING" – Yet again, doesn't matter what the real cause is or what the solution is, it's about pushing a political agenda, getting votes, and maintaining power.
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Is factually correct, and it's been the excuse most major gaming companies have given for using FarmVille currency since they started getting questioned about it, but the underlying problem is that, as a person who enjoys vidcons, the fact that soneome can get an upper hand on me simply because he bought objects that are either locked behind paywalls or that can't be possibly acquired within a realistic time span, or the existence of lootboxes in fucking single player games, is all a huge fuck you for having bought the vidcon in the first place, whereas as a consumer, it taints the experience from the get go, because it implies that my expenditure for the game won't be limited to its original purchase or even an expansion pack, and since the model works extremely well on those that do not enjoy vidcons as a hobby as much as a cheap thrill, it diminishes the value of the entire genre, as all the competing companies would rather make a profit by imitating what's working (and often mistaking what's popular for what's working) than deliver compact experiences. This is why companies like Paradox and EA are doing more harm to the industry than any kind of censorship or backlash ever could. Nips have found a way to make even lootboxes more bearable, by piggybacking on whales by getting Assist characters or objects or some shit and freebies on certain dates, but they still get in the way of actually having a good game.
Wait, really? Kek!
You run at 300% the speed of a regular human and shotgun demons in the face. The fuck logic is that?
Jack Thompson was a registered democrat you goddamn liar.
Whether imposed by paranoid censors, or by paranoid parents, imbuing the consumption of art with such weight on the moral development of children is still ludicrous.
And the outsized focus on children, regardless of its source, is still primarily a dishonest ploy to justify the restriction of media that are and always have been primarily consumed by adults.
Ah, well, that's another kettle of fish. A better standard is whether or not someone is deemed sane enough to hold legal responsibility for their actions.
So… You agree with my post containing the link? Either Trump and his ilk are doing something right now gamers have to oppose, or they aren't.
Where did I say he was a Republican?
Trump's not doing shit right now. He's just saying whatever the fuck comes to his mind like he always does, and it's not actually all that dumb when you get into what he's saying. Namely, that ratings boards are fucking retarded, specifically because sex is what gets you the unsellable ratings, but gratuitous, increasingly more realistic violence gets a pass. Vidya isn't turning kids into school shooters, but kids from the last few generations have becoming increasingly fucked up and I think some consideration on the cause isn't an unthinkable proposal.
As for the Rhode Island politician. He's a jackass like all politicians are and regardless of the intent or motivation for it, his plan to tax people even more, because he thinks he can fix all the world's problems with enough money, is just the usual kind of dumb shit politicians always do. Again: Soda tax to help fat kids.
It is
Not an excuse faggot.
Do you not understand how moral panics work? Logic doesn't factor into it.
Either way, this boils down to the same thing, no matter who's pushing it or why:
Gamers have to defend ourselves and our hobby from moral panics, from the pseudoscience and faulty moralizing used to justify such hysteria, and from the monied interests that originate it.
It isn't a false equivalency it is just how it starts, the slippery slope isn't a fallacy. Once one law is passed it gets easier and easier to write more. It also isn't just from public outrage, the biggest threat of over regulating markets comes from the sellers themselves. We have already seen this attempted by Nintendo in the 90s. Lieberman was backed by Nintendo and they were both going after Sega. Nintendo was hurt by their censoring of MK1 and saw that if they stayed to their strict family friendly stance would not last in the long run. So they used the government to try and make it so selling video games with mature content was either illegal or very hard to do. That isn't were their jewry ended either they tried to make renting games illegal here as well. Luckily that was also shot down however in Japan Nintendo actually managed to convince the government to make video game rentals illegal in the 80s.
It isn't better though when they just crash the industry themselves a new better industry can rise from the ashes. When the government crashes the industry though they make sure it stays dead. Everybody fucking hates lootboxes right now and it's loud enough for companies to actually listen. Just don't buy garbage and eventually it stops. The lazy quick cash-ins work for a bit but it always comes back to wound them. Look at the joke the mobile market and facebook games are now. If you want to petition changes and regulations bring them to the ESA, Sony, Microsoft, etc.
If he does do anything that will be the end of me giving Trump the benefit of the doubt. He'd be just as bad as the cancer that infests the republican party. That doesn't want to curtail welfare and don't actually want to repeal Obamacare. A lot if not most republicans are just as bad as the democrats.
Exactly we have to defend OURSELVES not demand that outside forces protect us from the garbage. The free market cannot work if the without an educated and responsible consumer.
ps. I'm the shill 0c9ee3 I just got home and moved to my laptop.
There's no slippery slope that leads from "game companies should stay in the game industry, not the gambling industry" to "game companies shouldn't put certain things in their games". This is about money, not free expression.
I really, REALLY want to believe, but deep in my heart I know that's not gonna happen. Gaming is a multibillion dollar industry bigger than movies, TV, books, comics, or music. Even if socialshit, mobileshit, and consoleshit simultaneously imploded, that would still be true, the crash Holla Forums wants is never, ever going to happen.
I'm ultra-leftist, and I can still recognize that there is a substantial advantage for vidya in an unprincipled waffling apolitical swindler like him, versus someone (Hillary Clinton, Rick Santorum, etc.) who have longstanding promises to push moral panic hysteria.
And lay down the most powerful weapon available to us, even as our enemies readily employ it? The government represents the people, and there is zero reason for us as a body politic to tolerate the presence of gussied up pyramid schemes destroying the great artform of our generation.
The problem with relying on the free market alone is that the free market does not give the slightest fuck about the people who are engaging with it. It does not give a fuck about the health of the economy at large. It is highly short-sighted, and it does not give a fuck about anything about anything more than momentary profitability.
The free market will not stop or temper the trend towards lootboxes and games as a service. The free market encourages it, because the masses of people engage in it. The global masses, most of whom are out of reach of and don't give the slightest fuck about cries for reform or boycott or petition. There is demand for it. Even if it burns down the industry in favor of turning everything into mobile tier garbage.
And that's assuming that the market is even completely free, and not already under heavy influence by industry collusion. Fat corporate Jews who are working together to manipulate the market to give you fuck-all while maximizing profits - rather than just allowing it to interact and react to consumer demand in an organic fashion.
This is where we disagree I see the government as incompetent and in opposition to the people. Everything the government touches becomes horrible. The federal government established the department of education in 1979 and our schools have been a disaster ever since. Even with our spending on education ballooning since then.
See I don't think people will just continuously put up with it. There will be a breaking point and other people will see a demand to cash in on. The same way Gamestop made everyone fucking hate them. Amazon saw the opening and started offering release-day delivery and pounced on it. Now gamestop is stuck selling funko pops as they go bankrupt. People right now are turning on the lootbox stuff and nickel and diming. Sure Battlefront 2 still sold like 6 million copies but that isn't even half of what the first one sold. Destiny 2 sold less than the first one and is hemorrhaging players. People are so upset with Bungie they had to lock down their forums. Just watch with the next year or so certain games will advertise that they don't have gambling. Then all it needs is some of them to do better than expected then the tide will start to turn. If I honestly thought that video games were so fucked that people would just continuously buy the same garbage that they complain about forever I don't think it would be worth saving.
Even the most contrarian lolbert in the world is surely capable of recognizing instances where government intervention was necessary, like the FDIC (completely eliminated the threat of bank runs), FTC/DoJ-AT (breaks apart monopolistic trusts), FDA (enforces pure food and effective medical standards), DoL (enforces minimum wage, maximum hours, and bankruptcy rights, to prevent slavery), and SAA (requires people to save for retirement). If the government didn't do these things, a single massive corporation with the same responsibilities would exist in any similarly massive civilization.
This isn't about popular sentiment, because pay2win trash isn't funded by most players, but by a tiny minority of psychotic whales. Those whalebux are the fuel being used to stoke the funeral pyre of legitimate game design, and gamedevs have to be cut off from access to it by force to save the medium.
Will they? Maybe. I'm not so sure, though. EA, despite taking their hit, have more than recovered from their lootbox controversy - and Battlefront II only ended up selling 1 million under projections. GameStop, despite being shit-on by everyone for almost as long as I can remember them being around, only started to struggle once digital distribution started getting pushed - cutting them out of the loop, since their bread and butter is used games. The shift toward digitally distribution isn't wholly organic either, with multiple manufacturers and publishers colluding to kill off physical media. The only thing saving disks right now is that console manufacturers still rely on box retailers to move hardware, and if you cut them out of game sales, they'll refuse to stock your system - setting you up to be the next Sega Saturn.
Sony surely isn't pushing their streaming service because that's what the customers want, or they're reacting to free market cues. They're in an overwhelming advantageous position and are levering it to bully the market, meanwhile commanding throngs of loyal fanboys who have been trained via console war horse-shit to be loyal to their corporate masters that will - while not actually using the service - shit on physical games, shit on older games and backwards compatibility, and shout you down for claiming otherwise. No doubt with the aid of liberal amounts of astroturfing and paid shills to create the illusion of consumer consensus.
And even if your fellow Americans and Europeans are getting fed up, what of the Chinese? What of the Poo in the Loos? What of all the other markets which have very different market pressures and forces, do not give the slightest fuck about your concerns, and who's money is just as good as yours.
The "free market" reacts to them just as well as it does to you, and not necessarily in your interest or in the interest of the traditional video game industry.
Haha I disagree with all that bullshit. Especially the FDA their insane efficacy standards are the reason why are drug prices are so astronomically high. It costs too much money and time to get new drugs FDA certified so it lets the ones that manage to get through an essential monopoly. Most monopolies are the result of government as well. Hell if it was easier and cheaper to lay new internet lines more ISPs would exist. Why do you think Google fibre stopped rolling out to new cities once "Net Neutrality" was enacted. They saw it was no longer necessary to own the lines since every ISP would have to treat there traffic the same.
The reason drug prices are so high has nothing to do with actual costs, whether research, certification, or production, but are almost entirely the result of runaway profits and lack of transparency. Monopolies existed long before state intervention, and were infinitely worse before that was cracked down on. Modern ISPs are monopolistic primarily because government regulations forcing them to "local loop unbundle" PSTN lines in the dialup/DSL era were never applied to any of the newer broadband systems (cable, fibre, cellular, etc.). Net neutrality wasn't "enacted", those were attempts at maintaining the status quo from the earliest days of the Internet against attempts by ISPs throughout the 2000s (transition from PSTN) at traffic shaping, blocking, peering, zero-rating, and slowlanes.
You're even dumber than the government regulation faggots. The ESRB is founded, funded, and run by the ESA, who count among their members every single one of the video game platform owners. If AO was made mandatory somehow, it would simply be replaced by AO++ as the new "don't sell this anywhere ever" rating.
The ESRB exists as a direct result of threats by the government to impose such a system. They've failed to curb degenerate behavior by the industry, so it's our responsibility once again to up the ante until they either fold or get flattened.
The ESRB was never an industry watchdog. They never gave the slightest fuck about consumers. It was always only ever an industry puppet organization meant solely to deflect criticism and keep government oversight out.
The fucking balls on these kikes.
but we can get a crash if we get that cancer classified as illegal gambling
fuck off
They want to divert focus to pretend to listen to customers.
Boycott all companies if necessary.
Spread it to normalfags, so most of them start to avoid video games at all.