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Nice vandalizing comrade, those capitalists will surely embrace socialism now

these vandalisings are merely team building and recruitment exercises, like a sports team, a movement must practice organisation and build.

window's rights activist detected

You can't go from 0 to revolution.

The aim is to get proles who know nothing about leftism to even have a slight wonder about what the propaganda is about, then they might go and look it up on their own

This guy gets it, want to help us out?

Belive me, i live in a european city with a very active communist movement, shoving posters and tagging in people's faces at every street corner, bathroom stall and light post creates more resistance than support

are they communists or liberal LARPers who haven't read shit? I fail to see how propaganda is going to turn people away from us tbh, sure maybe they get irritated about stuff being on walls but pearl clutchers like that are hardly going to be calling for a violent uprising

Same here, but that's because it's obvious it's all identity politics, shilling for socdems and LARPing on High School or Philosophy faculty walls.

I'll bet most of them are just anarchy signs or ACAB or whatnot. We aim to either be informational, funny, or simply to stand in solidarity, but hopefully all three, such with Kurdistan. Nonetheless, at present these actions are merely our way of proving to each other and to you that we are willing to get out of our armchairs and co-ordinate as a group. We want to stress firmly that street art is not our end goal. What we mean to do is create a network of like minded individuals across the globe, who will be able to carry out more complex, creative and striking actions.

At present we are in our infancy and mean to build. These images are simply for keks, so you can see that a group of now 10 people across the world, but linked by the internet, can organise to spread a little bit of propaganda, even if it is just this small amount.

We aim to keep recruiting, and build until we have enough people to really take an effect.

Pasting paper is alright, now this kind of shit, you must never do it.

Do you have a particular attachment to fast food bathrooms?

More often than not people dismiss communism simply because it appears an idea past its time with no more communists left, hence they recourse to simple arguments like 'hooman natur' as it just doesn't feel feasible.
We can never hope to build a leftist movement with revolutionary potential without first acclimating the public to the existence of an active communist movement.
We must show our strength in all the ways available to us and make ourselves appear more numerous that we are. Only by doing this will people become more likely to accept socialism as an option.

calm down man, it's just some spray paint

Couldn't have put it better myself, overton window doesn't push itself and currently its stuck on IMMIGRANTS.

You sound like somebody we could use trotmate

Cringe worthy

For once the guy with a trot flag has a point, my the world truly is fucked. But really you do have a point there, momentum of movements picks up people as they are swept along with a popular political movement and having propaganda like this shows a small but potentially growable presence.

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says the guy who sits on his ass posting on leftypol rather than do anything. You must be a leftcom who thinks the working class will just rise up right?

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You know it's not Porky who'll work extra hard for no money to take that out, right?
Do not paint shit on walls, it's just counter-productive.

Yeah next time I'll shit in your bed and tell you it's just shit man, don't be a moralfag.
Do as much propaganda as you wish, but just don't fucking paint on walls, it does not work, I can see every fucking day how it does not work.
Especially with a message as dumb as "solidarity for Kurdistan". How many fucks do you think the average Joe give about Kurdistan? To them it's pretty much yet another annoying painting.

I'm not telling propaganda is bad, just don't spray, it doesn't work, it just angers people. If you have to paint on something, at least be it something no one really likes, like a police station or car.

the ember becomes a blaze

Its gonna be hard to build a leftist movement when you are working against so much logic. Socialism doesn't work. We live in a zero sum reality. There will never be a utopia. Just look at Venezuela and its run in with socialism.

Also, look where OP is shit posting irl…. horrible places that are only frequented by bums. Do you really want your hard earned money shared with this person?

lol don't get bern'd

I know very few people, even my Conservative dad, who actually give a fuck about graffiti and such. Its a burgerking bathroom, I happen to know they don't clean graffiti off, because I've worked in one.

This says a lot about your own sensibilities and nothing about how people pick up information.

Precisely, nobody has heard of Kurdistan, well maybe now they might google it and find out. Do you expect them to just find out all on their own? Its a helping hand. Besides that, as I have said, these are team building exercises, the limited propaganda gain is just a perk.

you don't know what socialism is do you?

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at doing what? Where are you talking about exactly?

or, the beautiful park in a nice part of town + some fast food chains…?

To all the naysayers, look at it like this, this reactionary "muh socialism doesn't work muuuuh venezuela" guy doesn't want you to do this.

That should be every indication that you should do this.

don't do it for those reasons
why don't you tell me =^)

I'll bet you anything it has never ever been tried before.

People who are in charge of keeping places clean (and they exist even at Burger Kings) do.

Besides, think again and re-learn the basics of propaganda. Associating your movement with literal shit by putting it on bathrooms gives the impression that that's how much you care yourself about your ideals, let alone how others should.
And no, no one is going to Google Kurdistan, because they already know Kurdistan is "somewhere in the middle East fighting against ISIS". At best it's going to be mistaken for an appeal to charity.

Democratic workers ownership of the means of production. Workers take home all the value of what they produce and vote on the practices of their workplace

Wow man you're totally enlightening us like woah I've never heard such arguments before and you're the first non-leftist to ever post on Holla Forums oh my god I sure hope you don't destroy me with your arguments I have never heard of.

Don't feed the monkeys.

lol

seizing the memes of production

This is actually good idea, irl shitposting will cause the normies to wonder. They will start googling this and that, seeing references over and over, recognizing some images, eventually they'll find themselves within Holla Forums's proximity. Even if they come here and have a bad impression on the community (normies, such cases) it will leave them with an exposition to theory.

Let the dialectic continue. CH here we come.

And what if they don't produce anything to society?

I agree that painting solves nothing, but discouraging is counter-productive as well.

They die alone in the wilderness.

Name a place where you think it has failed. You realise Venezuela is propping up large chunks of the Latin American economy with cheap petrol and this is the entire reason the US is trying to sanction and coup the shit out of them and anybody else who is part of Petrocaribe.

You also realise that western agitators have also been smuggling large amounts of currency out of Venezuela in order to provoke the currency crisis.

You basically don't know anything about what you are talking about. By the way, all of this information comes from Julian Assange and associates, who are capitalists.

But the revolution isn't over, it hasn't even begun. As I have stressed, we are simply recruiting members for a global network right now, this is one of our strategies.

Nice strawman that is actually so inaccurate as to be completely irrelevant though.

Do you mean like the current ruling class? When was the last time a multibillion stepped onto the assembly line and got their hands dirty?

Nah too much money to count

yes, because the workers are just going to revolt without being prodded at all. People will just magically become communists, No, we need to convert them, and an effective way to do that is with propaganda

Oh and remember to spray paint "Google Bookchin" everywhere

This is part of what we mean to do, we need all the help we can get, we actually recently had our first match up with two people being in the same city, so we are growing.

we do, you may have seen our previous posts, you may not have, but that was in there

Keep it obscure to develop their desire to understand, and the more they'll see the obscure reference, phrase, or image, the more they will desire to know why it is around and what it is.

Yea man that's the idea.

It's not possible to to win all the converts with one piece of propaganda, be it a wheatpaste or graffiti or whatever

The idea is to subtly implant ideas and doubts into people's heads. I made a poster on homeless and artificial scarcity and my Aussie comrade posted it in his city. I plan to do the same here stateside. Max people will read it for 2 seconds, but it plants the seeds of doubt in those receptive to the message, makes them more likely to look into leftist ideas or make them more familiar/sympathetic to them

Indeed, now imagine this effect in every city in the world, coupled with other coordinated direct action/propaganda events. This is what we aim to build. You seem to understand the concept, would you like to put it into practice?

That's a great point comrade, now that you mention it I've done this myself, repeatedly saw obsure things and it piqued my curiousity, eventually I researched it.

Will consider this for future endeavors.

not a fan of activism tbh

So you would go into inner cities in places like Chicago and remove people who were not conforming to your socialist agenda and put them in the wilderness? Good luck getting the blacks and Hispanics on board.

Why would someone worth billions of dollars be on an assembly line? that retarded. Some people will work harder. They will earn more.

yeah, we know just how much you like to see parties and movements whither away from inactivity.

there will be no revolution without activism. This has never happened in history, ever. Not once.

Not how it works under capitalism. Some people work harder. Porky earns more.

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Indeed.

Where have we seen true capitalism?

How do you not see the glaring contradiction in what you are posting?

Those that work the least hard are the richest.

Right there it becomes evident that in your mind every billionaire, every CEO started out a simple wage-laborer, and worked their way up. Instead, you have trust fund kiddies born into their wealth, their property, having never worked a day in their lives.

Total combat ability ITT = 5th grade classroom

Somalia.

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But using Kurdistan is propaganda is a waste of time. Its not relevant to most people and it makes it looks like some liberal activist cause. Focus on things closer to home, ones they can make their own cause.

Literally, here are the answers according to Ancaps themselves.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarcho-capitalism#Historical_precedents_similar_to_anarcho-capitalism

Some people will be born with more material wealth than others and others will exploit others along the way to get ahead. If you think everyone will play nice because MUH SOCIALISM you better check yo self.

Our focus most certainly isn't Rojava. We have other projects as well, some to undermine trust in capitalism, subverting pol, memes. One of us is working on flyers to hand out at protests, ect.

im not clicking that. why would I read anything an ancap wrote?

not if we have our way

This is why we are producing the homeless vs empty homes posters.

We aim to cover many and various areas of propoganda.

If you have poster ideas, or general ideas, we would love to hear them, come have a chat if you'd like

good luck

Just showing you where we have had true capitalism and how good it has been kek

They won't play nice because of muh socialism, they'll play nice because they won't have the power to play nasty, because they will have no private property to corrupt the common will with.

Basically right now we are just building, so we need as much input as possible. You seem like you have a good grasp of what might be effective, so we could really do with you on board.

Just because I shit on socialism, doesn't mean i'm for any other "ism". I just call out bad ideas and there are a shit ton itt. ideologues always come to predictable ends.

As if Homeless people are perfectly normal, and aren't riddled with mental illness… If you gave them a house you think they wouldn't piss and shit all over the place? You think they would throw out any of their trash? Are all you people on lefty pol just like 19 to 22 year old retards that think they know anything about the world?

when you take away peoples rights to private property you will have a most successful revolution.

some oc, more incoming

If they weren't homeless in the first place maybe they would have better mental health

Speaking of ruling class, I'm guessing you make more than 2 dollars a day no??

so you don't have a position, but you know you're smarter than everyone else riiiight. Must be easy to defend nothing, which is funny because that is actually what you have done, I notice you haven't actually presented one counter argument to anything I have said in this thread.

So you have no ideology then? You are above the ideologues, transcendent, and yet somehow you know beyond all reasonable doubt, without any ideology involved, that we live in a zero some reality and socialism has failed… okay den m8.

Leftypol THIS is who you are on side with if you don't want to get active.

If you gave them a house, rehab, some basic education and dignity. Yeh pretty sure they wouldn't. I mean, every study ever shows this, but of course. I just know nothing right.

I'm just a dumb kid. Funny how much actual information I have posted in this thread to be met with nothing but memes and platitudes that have no real academic or historical weight behind them.

This is nice, we could use this, want to help us?

fashy normie may may to help spread terrible ideas

Stop before your weaponised autism kills us all

sure, how?

ahahahahahaha. Class has nothing to do with dollars earned.

This is your problem, you don't actually know the real difference between the owning class and the proletariat. But you are so smart, and we are just kids who know nothing, so go on, explain it please.

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Looks like you wrote most of that out assuming that I have no ideology, and then asked it rhetorically? prove to me that we aren't in a zero sum reality… Leftypol THIS faggot right here produces nothing to society and wants you to go out and spraypaint shit so one day he can share everything with you. Im sure this dude will work super hard, as soon as you go out and start that revolution! don't worry mufukrs gon be riiight here posting away and making teh fire rize

So what is your ideology then transcendent one, if its so fantastic you should at least have the balls to say it.

LOL shit meme bruv and I never said I was a centrist. Socialism is shit and so is your non argument

oh you mean like Soros, Rockafeller, and the Rothschilds?

Too bad jews like these are the ones who started marxism

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you aren't gonna convince people of your far right shit here man, You aren't gonna trigger people here either. Just save yourself some time and fuck off back to Holla Forums

I mean I'm just amazed Soros was alive in the 1800's.

He truly must be an evil alien.

also you realize marx literally wrote all about the Rothschilds and so did Kropotkin. Long before any fucking Alex Jones did.

right so what are you then? Apart from just somebody who generally knows better.

If your stance is strong enough, you should be able to defend against anyone, even no one.

Not even the quoted, but what the fuck is "every study ever"?

Honestly, such weak bait should be bannableuntil Holla Forums knows not to take it. We would lose absolutely nothing.

Libtards like you will be the first against the wall.

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Implying anyone on this board has what it takes.

If this were true capitalism would be beyond dead.

He has no response. All he can do is samefag. He thinks people won't see him samefagging on a board this dead.

everybody in this thread who is interested. email the address provided. ignore all the jealous Holla Forums shills. you can't talk or reason with insects.

I have, lol. Have you yet refuted that Venezuela isn't actually failing, because its propping up half of Latin America, and is in fact under seige?

No. Have you proved at any point here that 'socialism doesn't work' beyond simply stating that line?

No. Don't talk to me about weak shit. You have produced 0 of anything.

Like all the studies that show education and nourishment make for productive human beings. So, all of them in this area.

might makes right. I don't care what name you want to call it. we live in a zero sum reality. having children and raising them in a child safe environment is key to human growth and progress.

LOLOLOLOL

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If might makes right then its okay when brown skinned men rape correct?

You forgot your leftcom flag.

This is great stuff really. No actual organization for idpol nutjobs to infiltrate but still building social capital for actual lefty ideas.

Who on earth could he be referring to…

no when is rape ok?

Want to get on board?

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… when might makes right? My god. I'm done you are just not even worth talking to.

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FUCKING LOL

looks like we got a rage quit. quite frustrated i see. I said child safe and you somehow get rape out of that. right this person here really knows how to run a society lol

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really made me think

lol u said "i'm done"

anyways please tell me more about how you will be the thought police or how everyone will become hivemind in your socialist utopia

you guys are retards
Maybe your BO should institute IDs so you guys stop getting confused so easily

MUH STATE CAPITALISM

Not necessary, socialism is not inherently about State power and cohesion among constituents. Its about bring democracy back to the people, such as through the arrangments of libertarian municipalism. Let the people govern themselves, as was the way of Athens and colonial New England.

I'm so close to the edge that if I get busted for vandalism I'll land in prison with the anti-poor way things are structured here (>get slapped with fine, can't pay, go to prison for years making 50 cents an hour to pay it off). But I'm gonna see how long stuff stay up if I just pin it to telephone polls. The endless parade of garage sale notices a month past the listed date suggests a while.

let the people govern themselves. THEY DO AT ALL TIMES AND RIGHT NOW THEY WANT TO BE SHEEP SO UG OTTA SPRAYPAINT OK?!?!?

OP needs to stop responding to people who have fuck all to say but attempting to derail threads (who are definitely not from Holla Forums who just happen to be on 8ch and hate leftypol).

lol they do it all the time in oligarchy?

Son you need to read a book. Deomcracy does not exist in the United States when you only get to choose from Corporate Party candidate #1 and Corporate Party candidate #2.

Good point, not OP but a comrade

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Everyone that has responded to this one retard with nothing of substance to say has allowed him to control the thread and now when he stops responding because of the amount of posts dedicated to him before that this thread will die.

Serious question
Why is Holla Forums so full of communists?
Where are all of the libertarian leftists?

This is very relevant to the OP. Great question!

You mean anarchists? There are loads of them here.

This is basically a communist recruitment and support bread so I figured I'd ask here instead of making a fresh bread

You can be libertarian-left without being an anarchist.

Action Front is one of the better things to come out of Holla Forums.

Good work comrades.

What would you consider libertarian left that is neither anarchist nor communist?

If you don't like them, then stop acting exactly like them. Replace kike with porky and it's pretty much the same board, except even more delusional.

Basically the minimum required government to protect freedoms, provide social services, tax the people only as much as needed to break even, and enforce corporate regulations, while allowing for capitalism. Think libertarian without the religious, nationalist, or corporate loving aspects.

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Socdems aren't left.

lol wut

Porky holds actual power by nature, whereas the jews only hold power insofar as they are porky.

Also, even excluding this, they are still way different. Holla Forums wants to be cucked by some strong leaders, while Nazbols only make up a small minority here.

And I don't know how you get more delusional than "Trump truly cares about the American people"

Libertarian leftists are libertarian leftists

Owning your own stuff is pretty nice

GTFO our board, you are a liberal with a """"""leftist"""""" twist, nothing but a cocksucker for the capitalists. If you don't seek to overthrow captitalsim you obviously don't belong here.

t. political illiterate

Learn the difference between private and personal property

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Where do you belong is the question. You speak English and are trying to apeal to people with western values. Lol try reality

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You can own private property as a person dude

1991 called it wants the Soviet Union back

Holla Forums get out reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

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At least 90% of this board wants to abolish private property, however NOBODY wants to abolish personal property, which is what your original claim refers to

Also, if you got a boner for western values, this is the wring place. We speak English in order to communicate as a group of people with vast different first languages. BTW, the language you speak don't have to reflect your "values".

Stop sperging out.

Is it one commited autist derailing this thread or has the first guy left?

Who am I?

youre a retarded ideologue and you dont even know it

I hope you don't think this constitutes a refutation

No you said might is right and I asked you if that meant rape was okay. Idiot.

what you don't know is, when these retards bump my thread they aid my recruitment process, which is why I have recruited from this thread. They help us, unwittingly, but then they have no wits.

to you also

Libertarian leftists are communists for the most part. Anarcho-Communism fam.

Come join us fam we could use your support

I think he left.

BV do we have your general approval to keep doing this on here?

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this guy is srsly 9gag tier. I haven't had retardation like this since I deleted facebook

waahh muh property

My original claim didn't specify private or personal property since you as a person can own both, so people jumped to conclusions. I should have remembered to be more specific when dealing with autists.
Literally communism, which is what prompted my original question of why this is called Holla Forums and not /communism/. I guess an honest name is less attractive to the un-indoctrinated.
I don't really get bald eagle American pie boners, the military industrial complex is gay.
I think my values are pretty uncommon in general regardless of language sadly.

Doing what?

shitting up the place with recruitment threads and whatnot

The organisation I suggest is a libertarian leftist organisation, although we remain none sectarian, our fundamental make up, being directly democratic, is libertarian.

If you are looking for such an organisation, look no further

Just saying, you probably don't belong here

NEWFAG PUNKS FUCK OFF!

We are called leftist politically incorrect, from what I can tell your views are about as politically correct as they come, unless you live in burgerland. We aren't called /communism/ because we also have anarchists, and we allow stuff like technocrats although they are one in a thousand .

Sideways? wut?

Where do I sign up?

send help

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although, we are communists. I'd like to show you the real libetarianism though

go ahead, I don't care. just don't make more than one thread at a time.

the stirner quote needs to say "Max Stirner" at the bottom, or regular people won't know who wrote it.

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my contribution

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