The Nationalist Question

So Nationalist cancer seems to be croping up in Europe and North America.

The easyest way I have debuked Nationalist "arguments" is with facts and Patriotism.

Patriotism is rational.
Nationalism is irrational.

More Leftists should be Pro Patriotism, I think it's the only way to kill the far right populism.

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democracynature.org/vol2/bookchin_nationalism.htm
marxists.org/archive/mattick-paul/1959/09/nationalism.htm.
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Usually when someone makes a claim they have some sort of evidence to back it up.

There is no essential difference and both are spooky bullshit. Ho Chi Minh was a fake commie who initially tried to get help from the USA and only turned to the USSR when they turned him down.

Yeah but that was many years ago. We should move past patriotism and nationalism, especially with how connected we are today als nations.

Nationalist "arguments"

That is all they have.

You forgot "muh culture war"

Well lets face it, immigration and refugees are hot topics. The right feels like they are "winnging" the culture war.

Patriotism is in no way different from nationalism, its the same shit. Mystifying your state into some higher entity is retarded af regardless of what that myth looks like.

But I'm anti-state.

You can also kill there arguments with, you know, better arguments.

Mystifying things into higher entities is good for group cohesion and morale.

democracynature.org/vol2/bookchin_nationalism.htm

Bookchin wrote some good stuff on the matter

Mystify something that you have control over atleast.

De gaulle was a nationalist tho even a bit ethninationalistic to some extent

State does not equal nation does not equal nation-state.

Learn2theory

This thread is a joke, kys OP

Now here's a well-argumented Marxist on the subject: marxists.org/archive/mattick-paul/1959/09/nationalism.htm.

I recall Mao saying a similar thing too. Every communist must be a patriot, and help liberate his nation from patrician and foreign oppressors. Nationalism however is a no-go, and obviously the way i internationalism.

nats are cucks

Nationalist socialism is a good thing

And why should I love my "own people" first before others ? Makes no sense to me

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Because they are like you. Most people like people who are similar to them more than people who are from a completely different background. Theres no shame in hating the way some people act. You should still be nice to these people though.

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this lie blinds you

If you believe in the nation and relying on his strength -

you get everything you referring victory after victory, and if you turn back on the nation , you'll be spurned by him -
not avoid defeat after defeat

I pay tribute to and salute in honor of the memory of the dead patriots.

Kim Ir Sen

Yeah because 2015 and 2016 wasn't a disaster for the left

its fine, just give Trump a couple more months and wait for the full scale of Brexit to kick in and they'll turn on this pack of clowns. They are too retarded to sustain themselves. They embody the contradictions in capitalism. Milo couldn't not sperg out about his manboy love. These sorts of things are in store for all of them.

lol

What other part of society would have any interest in promoting the fiction of nationhood?

Why don't you start with Israel? Then you can tell us where you live so we can promote mass immigration into YOUR neighborhood.

Patriotism is counter-revolutionary and retarded.

wtf does it have to do with nationalism?