What's that about Sauron being leftist?

I have followed the Middle Earth civil war since the beginning (ca. 3300 SA), and for a long time (roughly 3000 years) I believed the biased propaganda of the mass media, who sold the story that the Last Alliance was fighting for a free and democratic Middle Earth, were the rights of all ethnic groups would be protected. I also believed the demonization of President Sauron, claiming that he used rings of mass destrucion (RMDs). Maybe the Alliance started with good intentions. But as the conflict dragged on, more and more secular elves vannished and were replaced by increasingly fanatic foreign Rohirrim fighters. The turning point for me came when I watched a video of Gondorian and Rohirrim fighters pleading to fight for the following goal: "Haradrim to Umbar, Orcs in the Anduin!" Of course, I was very disturbed and triggered by this. At the same time, Gondorian atrocities like pic related (warning - NSFW) became increasingly common :,(. So I started to loose by unfair biases against Mordor. As I started to research, I discovered that many anti- Mordor claims were just filthy lies, probably by those sneaky Dwarwes who want to increase their illegal settlement in Moria and erect an Apartheid state, opressing the native orcs. For example, the claim that Mordors military is mostly mad up of the orc minority is copletely untrue: the large majority of Mordorian troops was made up of men. Also, the foreign help from Rhun is way less significant than the foreign help that Gondor receives from shady states like the Shire, the rich dwarwes of Erebor (who treat wounded radical fighter), and Lothlorien. We all know that Galadriel is just right know having a plebiszite to basically become a dictator. I don't think that that in the light of such foreign aid, the Rhunic help is immoral. Also, in contrast of rumours, Mordor is still an independent state and no puppet of Rhun! And who ever critizises the human right record of Rhun should better take a look at the SHIRE; getting stoned is a pretty real risk there among those barbaric hobbits. My last point in regard to wrong propaganda: Since the start of the Nazgul intervention, there was a lot of critizism against fell beast attacks. I know from a safe source that those attacks were never conducted against civilian targets or, Melkor forbid, Houses of healing (isn't ot funny how "the last one" was destroyed like 10 times?) So you might ask me, Letothe2, what your expert view on who this conflict will end? And I can really say, I'm very optimistic. The nazgul intervention succesfully managed to retake Ithilien, and I think we are all pretty amazed by the swift liberation of East Osigiliath. So I think the liberation of Gondor from the Gondorians is immanent. It remains to be seen who the situation between Sauron and Serok Saruman will wind out ( I really respect the uruk- hai for spreading feminism and creating a Utopian, racism free society with the Dunlendings. Nonetheless, and don't think the Canton of Isengard has the resources to spread lasting peace in Middle earth. Also, we all know that Galadriel hates Sarumans guts, so she might use the Ents as proxies against him. Oh, and do I think Sauron is the right person to deal with the infamous terror group " The fellowship", who have stolen the One Ring of mass destruction and have declared AL- Agorn the Caliph of the reunited kingdom? Absolutely.

Sauron is just following in the footsteps of Melkor, the original revolutionary. The music and the echo of the music of Iluvatar and his porky Ainur was all about the subjugation of unutilized potentiality, and Melkor altered the sounds with his own music (what Maiar shills now call the 'discord' of Melkor) to counteract this. Having been alone for all eternity except recently, Iluvatar was severely socially retarded and began to screech autistically. The rest of the Ainur joined in, and the war of sound was really just Melkor calmly explaining his position that the Ainur should distribute the means of creation to the to-be-made mortals while they responded with a wall of shrill screaming.

This story goes on, such as when Comrade Melkor teamed up with a giant spider to destroy the two trees Telperion and Laurelin (cleverly disguised weapons of Valar imperialism). Melkor then took a stirnerite bent, and his misrepresented desire for domination was actually his struggle to create a union of Egoists that would have collective ownership of the light of the Silmarils. He took in evrything and everyone that the a alar cast out, and for this they called him Morgoth and his comrades Orcs.

Sauron was obviously a NazgBol.

Well TBH they both are. Tolk had a few cool streaks though.

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Uphold Sauron-Tolkien thought

the end of the world ain't free. the tree of shadow gotta be littered with the destruction of the music of illuvatar. Tar "Sauron" Mairon is not my Dark Lord. he is a weak maiar and probably a human-lover as well. :DD DESTRUCTION not DOMINATION ok. praise Melkor.

Isn't there a published fanfiction by a russian guy that narratev the ring thing from Sauron's point of view?

I know what you are talking about, I read a chapter.

It was horrible.

HUMANS
VS
ORCS

I read that shit too. Good times. Varg literally thought that Tolkien believed norway was bad and gave mordor a language similar to old norsk because muh christians purging the vikings. Nevermind the fact that entirety of tolkien's work is based on northern european myths and lore, he read some words he thought were similar to norwegian and automagically tolkien was making idpol against pagans in his book with multiple deities.
I still don't get if you get a persecution complex when you become a right winger or you become a right winger because you have a persecution complex.

Varg literally thought that Tolkien believed norway was bad and gave mordor a language similar to old norsk because muh christians purging the vikings.
kek
Tolkien was a Christian reactionary who hated industrialization for doing away with the good old English countryside. Varg and Tolkien would actually agree on a lot barring the whole religion thing.

btw in a letter to his son tolkien says he's an anarchist, and then proceeds to say that he wants society to be ruled by a paragon of justice like some sort of king.
if tolkien was alive today he would be one of those "left and right don't mean anything" kinda people.

he was still a literary genius

What was so bad?

It's typical fan fiction. Not very well written.

I read it a couple of years ago and enjoyed it. A bit all over the place (the author is actually a palaeontologist) but its still a fun read.
More of a spy novel than a fantasy, centred around pro-mordor rebels after the fall of Sauron trying to save middle-earth from elven supremacy and a permanent medieval fantasy.

Is there any good overtly left-wing fantasy?

Elric of Melniboné, Micheal Moorcock explicitly identified as an anarchist.

I've always said, Sauron was just misunderstood. He offered industrialization and a central government to the people, and what did they do? Shit all over him, take his bling and destroy his crib. Fuckers.

I think his role in WW1 probably played significantly in shaping his response to industrialization

Sauron was a fucking bourgie, plunging the entire world into chaos just to maintain his exclusive private ownership rights over the rings of power.

State Property not Private

How so? Asking because curious.

In the context of a feudal hellhole that's actually a step forward though.

Both were conservative Christians. Tolkien along with many others supported Franco when he learned that communists were killing priests and burning down churches.

The rings were designed to preserve the world as it was and stop "decay" aka progress. In that sense he and Celebrimbor were the most reactionary clowns alive.

Thanks. I'm reading and apparently CS Lewis was vehemently against any kind of fash while people like Tolkien and Roy Cambell hated the Italian and German fascists while having no problem with Franco because he was on some sort of religious crusade (Campbell even served as a war correspondent of their army).

CS Lewis is still a politically ignorant person who thinks science is bad and would most probably believe in the horseshoe theory anyway.

Tolkien wrote a lot of terribly veiled "nature good, science evil" and "muh conservative status quo" bullshit

theguardian.com/books/booksblog/2014/dec/12/tolkiens-myths-are-a-political-fantasy

>>>/tg/

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It should be clear to anyone who reads Tolkien that he is deeply influenced by his Catholicism and conservative, anti-industrial worldview. That's honestly one of the reasons I like him, even if I don't share his views - he was one of the most intelligent conservatives of his time. Reading the letters he sent to his son, discussing theology among other things, is fascinating.

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Except it was a feudal social structure disrupted, literally by an evil dragon on the one hand and by a fallen angel bent on world domination from the other.

"Pure ideology." t. Zizek.

wew
but they don't
bceause he is
Just because they're oppressed doesn't make them any more right for supporting an imperialist power just because it might share some distant connections with the comforting familiarity of capitalist imperialism.

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I bet you believe in Holodomor too

they are right not because they are oppressed, but because they represent a progressive force which is necessary for the advancement of productive forces of society so that socialism and then communism could be implemented

and by your logic French revolution was reactionary

What do they need propaganda for?

because they are elves
it is in their nature to deceive

Franco wasn't a fascist. He was just a boring Latin-America style catholic authoritarian and crushed the truly radical elements of the Falangists.

That's not very convincing.

So obviously he hasn't read Tolkien carefully at all, because the whole burning eye thing is a movie innovation with zero basis in the books.

good Engwar
Eternal Elf is pleased

I've yet to see any criticism of tolkien by someone who can actually read.

Not an argument :^)

Too keep men servile and stop them from reaching the level of development at which they could seize the means of immortality in Valinor.

We couldn't possibly have another Numenor happen…

Let's assume that is the case, why would elves write propaganda in which they're literally portraited as homicidal morons?

Elves are full of shit.

To discourage humans from ever wishing to go to Valinor where it's crawling with the cunts.

H U M A N S
V S
O R C S

Also Aryans vs non-Europeans.

Average Aryan man, for you

Clearly Dravidian. Also not the point, I was simply referring to how Tolkien literally pits whites against everyone else and that the "humans vs orcs" joke is actually less racist than the reality of the story.

Tolkien is brutal and depressing; in his world the mortality of men actually is a gift of a loving overgod to his second children. It's just that he tends to hide it behind flowery descriptions of landscape, and all the horrible stuff is in The Silmarillion and barely referenced in LotR or The Hobbit.

None of the elves "die". They have a special elf purgatory that they get to watch history from until the end of time. Humans and hobbits can die just fine, though, and get to a pretty neat afterlife.

Being an elf suddenly doesn't sound so fun, huh? Enjoy biological immortality fuckers, you'll probably make an oath or piss off some evil diety and be stuck in the waiting room afterlife until the sun itself dies and the universe fades to nothing. Only then do they actually pass on.

According to Tolkien even fucking Fëanor will be forgiven before the end, so I dunno what you'd have to do to earn eternal purgatory as an Elf. The only beings who really get turbo fucked are evil maiar like Sauron, as they get to enjoy being disembodied powerless spirits until the end of time.

dude pipeweed lmao

source?

The Lord of the Rings by J.R.R Tolkien, which features the "Men of the West" bravely standing up against the "Easterlings", "Southrons" and their monstrous allies.

at this point I should start keeping a tally.

Sargon is "leftist" according to farcical Ameriburger political standards.

leftypol strikes again…

Marxist-Sauronism sounds like the Lefts answer to the autism that is the dark enlightenment

Marxism-Melkorism-Sauronism
I need to draw four heads of this brand new ideology

who knows, maybe meme magic will help Melkor to return from the Void

I didn't bother correcting myself because Tolkien is boring.

learn to read faggot

This thread made me want to read LOTR
Beside The Hobbit and LOTR what else should I read to see Sauron putting dialectics in motion?

Dark Enlightenment:

Marxism-Melkorism-Sauronism

Nothing like that happens in the tolkien legendarium.

But if you like mythology please do read the Silmarillion.

Who could be behind this post?

Just read GoT it's way better.

who let the plebs in?

go fap to Cersei's tits or something

did you read the thread, elrond? they've been in since the first post.

Tolkien may have been a religious reactionary but he laid the ground for fantasy as we know it today everywhere.