Bad vibe acceleration

This shit is fucking scary. If the nazi's grab hold of the populist left issues and the democrats continue to go full soclib, our acceleration will come in the figure real ethnic nationalists starting real fucking Nazi masturbation fantasys.

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That's why the left needs to be fuckstarted into dropping idpol pronto.

You forget, Spencer crew doesn't hold any seats in the House or Senate. Also, most of the new right (alt-right/light etc) have libertarian economic views. Third way views are held by only a minority.

The reason some people hate the welfare state is that they have to pay for minorities. They would never go for this.

The last 25 years has been one big reaction against the welfare state.

Need to do more, we need to provide real services to people in the short term. In this climate, can't afford to spend two years campaigning to replace half the dems with independent/tp/soc candidates.

Could try to start local solidarity and social rights organizations on the local level, which would immediately cement the popularity of the party. Like syndicalist and mutualist organizations in the 19th century Europe and the early socialist parties.Something like the modern Hamas, Hezbolla- model, with less violence and no religion.

Not only opposing Obamacare repeal, but actually organizing an alternative outside of the government, but perhaps within a new party.

This is true. Thing is, the ogres now in Congress will probably repeal Obamacare, that could trigger a real uprising, and Trump being who he is, could circumvent the republicans and appeal to the people directly and create an ad-hoc organization out of people like Spencer.

Or, they turn Obamacare into even a bigger giveaway to the oligarchs and kick the can along the road a bit further. Then Trump will end up like fucking Putin. Both are worse.

He'd need one elite institution on his side, the media won't. The Republicans won,t Democrats won't do anything that makes him look good.
It would take ideology free Left wing support and so called 'alt' right wing support, to even think about it.

Too many cowards afraid of Liberal backlash though.

The welfare state has been a fundamental part of European civilization since the days of Rome. We aren't coopting anything.

It was a staple of exactly the kind of tribalist societies that Rome ravaged and destroyed in many cases.
The grain-dole in Rome was only kept in Rome because of the populist anti-authoritarian uprisings against the Senate by the Brothers Grachii, whose cause was later coopted by Caesar in order to centralize power and create a giant pyramid-scheme, which was to be known as the Roman empire.

So yes, for Nazis, it's absoultely something coopted.

Rich people. All he needs is a coalition of rich people, and the bureaucracy of the state. Trumpacare, you can literally buy it, the prices are the best, it will be great!

Then he starts sending the justice department after all the companies that don't participate in the Trumpcare Group.

Rich people are divided against him mostly, he has a core of rich friends like Icahn and Thiel, but the Chamber of Commerce types and Koch types hate him more than Hilary. Look at the donations.

A long time ago during the election trump was asked what he sees as the future of the republican party and he said it would be a workers party.
The republicans are going to steal the far lefts lingo and laugh while the democrats become a party of corporate elitists

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You never need all the rich people if you are willing to use the state against other rich people.

But you need the press in some form, he has to run all his own propaganda lel

It might help if Holla Forums would stop shitting on the anti-identitarian right-libertarians and instead try to reach them with the message "this shit ain't leftism. It's the virus that took leftism over."

The worst of all is that, in the end of the day, most people would probably support a system of welfare and public initiative over the prevailing individualistic ethic if they were not lead to believe that some group outside of their own would be the main beneficiaries of it at their expense.

American have the clear example of race and foreigners, but even countries with a relatively homogeneous population go through this. You'll hear about how this one poorer state or region of the country is leeching out of the hard work of the others, and that everyone should just work hard and succeed and fail on their own instead. And of course, the dumb proles buy it.

When this comes from the Right, not just any Right but a self-proclaimed nationalist, racialist Right, this aspect of it is gone. The anxiety over the prospect of paying taxes that will go elsewhere is relieved. They get to have the benefits AND maintain the "pull up your pants" line. And of course, the Left either supports them or alienates a huge part of its constituency.

So yeah, if right-wing populism takes the format of right-wing welfare system we're probably fucked. And I can totally see Trump trying to push some reforms like that, knowing that Democrats and Republicans will shut it down, just to "expose" Democrats and carry even more of the working-class middle-america shitdick vote in 2020.

The smart play and winning one would be single payer but for Americans only, double kill with the immigration issue and sanctuaty cities.

It would basically be the lynchpin of the whole ideology, but Republicans would have him killed, and the CIA is on borrowed time to oust him.

Dems are not soclib. The are not Soc anything.

shoulda taken the title 'alt-left' when you had the chance. A socialism's a'comin buckos. But this one is going to be nationalist.

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It depends on what part of the country you are in. Middle America is more "individualist", as in, they are opposed to others getting government benefits because they are perceived as being leeches. However, they are absolutely fine with receiving them for themselves, because they view themselves as deserving, hard working Americans. It isn't always a racial thing, even in states like West Virginia that are 95% white, you have this mentality. Typical Scots-🍀🍀🍀Irish🍀🍀🍀 clannish behavior.

It would be funny if lepen wins, but the french political system is even more fucked than americas.
"2 round", get outta here!!!!!!

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idlib? identity liberalism

CIA have got her i'd say. Years of bugging.

I wonder what dirt will leak on her opponents between now and then?

Not much, but her whole shit is about to get fucked up, while CIA claims Russia is interfering lel

Lolberts aren't capitalists. They are only pro-capitalism in the sense that they think that means pro-freedom. They're anti-idpol, which makes them anti-left because they think left = idpol. If we explained capitalism to them and showed them that left =/= idpol we could make them into allies. The more non-idpol leftists, the less people will associate the left with idpol.

Radlib - radical liberalism, gets thrown around to describe anyone obsessed with idpol on the liberal side. A few users were using it to describe r/soc when they were ramping up brocialist posting here to piss them off.

I’ve already got quite a few of my idpol lib friends to get on board with anti-capitalism. You know who I haven’t gotten through to? People whose whole ideology is “we need more capitalism.”

Why? Because it’s easy to say, “Racism and so on are a function of capitalism, and abolishing capitalism will end (or help to end) racism.” It helps that a lot of idpol icons (Malcolm X, Black Panthers etc.) were already anti-capitalist.

Right-libertarians, on the other hand, only care about capitalism. And all their favorite intellectual heroes only came about in reaction to communism.

Well they're both at it. This is nothing new. But it was the CIA side who decided to up the game wit 'fake news'. From what I'm seing, it has backfired. To be clear, I'm talking about the decades of well documented manipulation by the western media. While the KGB and their successors undoubtedly operate in the same way this is less familiar to people in the west.

The same charges relating to misuse of EU funds that knocked Fillon back to third place in the polls were made against Le Pen and her ratings were unaffected. I think she will struggle to win but I don't think anything the CIA say or do will effect it. Whereas her opponent. Well Fillon has already been sunk. Marcon better be squeaky clean or it will all be aired between the first and second round of voting.

Who cares? Give me a fascist with free healthcare over a socdem ramping up market involvement in the sector any day.

(But punch Spencer again anyway, that was funny.)

The funny thing is the KGB and now Putin use liberal and left wing critiques of the USA, and not actual Fake news. The joke of the CIA is they practice chaos, not joined up long term strategy, win a war, lose a war, doesn't matter. Fight Al Qaeda in Yemen, arm them in Syria.

Le Pen is the death of the Eu and the stakes are huge for the CIA, that's half a century down the drain if she wins, the polling will be very off. The Germans/CIA and Russians will probably ramp up the stories, for real this time, not the BS the DNI claims about the US elections.

If I see him. I'll punch him for you user.

I don't like fascists, any. Bush sucked & pretty much started the war for oil but Trump sucks more & will continue it. There is an ongoing thread of who is going to be the next Middle Easter nation to get torn in the war.

I suspect a russian connection to the investigation that sank Fillon. Clearly it had been going on for a while. It's only when somebody drew attention to it that it became an issue.


I think in a way the EU may have ran its course from a US perspective. Recently the EU was set to overtake the US economy as the world's largest. This talk of an EU army will not be sitting well with some in te US. Te US has since the second war wanted Europe stable, relatively prosperous, strong enough to provide a front against Russia and compliment. As pressures mount in Europe (a result of US fuckery) the notion to please the US will take a back seat. Especially with Trump at the helm. The only potential value for the CIA of the EU as things stand is the appeal to former soviet nations the EU appears to offer This annoys Russia which I think is the MO of the deep state these days. Add to this that the CIA would be at odds wit Trump in attacking Le Pen, and that Trump is already looking into leaks from US security agencies and I think the CIA might have to sit this one out.

I like this.