What he is, is a spineless hack who takes every single beating from the Democrats like the slave he has become. We will eventually have revolution but don't count on Sanders to be anywhere near the head of it, why? Because revolution will only come through rage and violence, not through the petty electoral bullshit that Sanders is diverting much of the progressives towards. I used to like the guy, but after the DNC debacle I have lost all faith in him and his bullshit. To all those that still believe in Sanders, please SNAP OUT OF IT.
yet, because of him we have more socialists now than we ever had
Zachary Kelly
He still would have been better for the working class than trump or Clinton.
Oliver Cook
Get your panties out of that twist, OP. Bernie redpilled a generation out of the traditional, corrupt 2-party system, for better or worse. If anything, you have him to thank for Holla Forums's rising influence, which has actually risen to the point that Holla Forums is SCARED of us.
If it wasn't for Bernie, I wouldn't have built up the courage to find Holla Forums to begin with, and that goes for many others on this site also.
Besides, would you really stay insistent on calling him a "spineless hack" if you knew what he was doing during the Civil Rights Movement? He was fucking hardcore back then, and he still is now.
#thebernwillneverbeextinguished
David Kelly
I am thankful for that, but that's it. People liked him because of his policies and normalization of the term socialism but that led to a development of a cult of personality. On top of that I would argue that the brashness of Trump did more to create a backlash and socialist resurgence than Bernie did.
I do appreciate what he did during civil rights era but compromising doesn't work–he is far too nice. We need assholes. We need fighters. What we don't need are compromisers–like what Sanders has become.
Henry Reed
I'm done with "good enough" or "lesser evil" arguments.
Aiden Walker
I agree with your post almost entirely but I still supported him in the short term because he was the best positive option out of the realistic candidates.
Also by going to Bernie rallies and things here I go to talk to people about other political issues and introduce them to the broader left. He can be the slick entryist if you make it that way for yourself.
His cowardice and continuous "trust" or acquiescence to the other Dems is becoming an old routine real fast though.
Jaxson Morris
Try thinking of it more creatively than that…
Bernie isn't a "sellout" or "pushover" or anything like that… he's a martyr.
Getting fucked by Shillary was a sign that the establishment has far too much power for the democratic process to remain pure any longer. That was a wake-up call for everyone.
Bernie pretty much said to Porky, "We can do this the easy way, or we can do this the hard way," the easy way being that the people actually be properly represented by an honest candidate who has their best interests at hand instead of for money or establishment power, or the hard way, which results in more redpillings than Morpheus could have accomplished in a lifetime.
Porky chose the hard way. And that's where the quote in comes in.
Bernie was giving a very strict warning… now Porky will have hell to pay.
Joshua Watson
If that were true, he would have backed Sam Ronan, who was clearly the most progressive candidate. He would have denounced the party after the DNC election. Instead he said that "its important that Tom Perez knows that same old same old is not working" like fucking Perez doesn't know he's with porky. Or that "Tom Perez was a real good Secretary of Labor and has a good opportunity in his hands". What a load of bullshit.
Your argument sounds eerily familiar to the "5d chess" arguments put forward by Trump supporters. In all likelihood, Sanders has given in to the establishment. He is looking for fucking crumbs, and is sucking the DNC dick to get it.
Nicholas Lee
Never thought of it that way. I might start going to Sanders rallies myself to try to convert people.
Caleb Myers
He served his purpose and then betrayed his own cause. The movement must continue without him.
Adrian Nelson
I believe he is a truly socialist at heart but unfortunately he can't do anything due to murrica being an extreme right wing shithole.
Robert Long
Even Sam Ronan wouldn't fucking touch the massive voter suppression and election fraud during the primaries. Some progressive.
Brayden Kelly
Ronan isn't what we need either, I wholly agree. But was just using him to refute the other poster's point.
Colton Torres
"He's not a socialist"
hur dur no fucking shit he's not, doesn't change the fact that he was the best candidate with the greatest chance of winning.
people like sanders are useful, and they should be dropped as soon as they no longer are. is that so fucking hard to understand? sanders is a tool and an entry point.
otherwise, if you're sooOooO great of a leader, why aren't you starting the insurrection? what are YOU doing, OP? HUH?
Caleb Kelly
Please read through my whole post user, I said I supported him till the DNC election.
As for your other point, I'm working on it. I'm only 19 but am reading a lot more, working on political campaigns, etc. If no capable person has stepped up by the time that I have the ability to step into a leadership position, then you can bet that I will be there. My point is only that Sanders can no longer be depended on and counted on as a leader.
Elijah Hall
Sam Ronan ran well after Sanders had backed Ellison (who himself is certainly more socialist than he lets on). 80+% of his messaging is not written by him and random staffers writing "lets stay united!" in some form once every week is not a sign that he's some evil betrayer.. You're overthinking small details which aren't really as damning as you make them out to be.
Christian Watson
I'll also say they were genuinely fun events, at least here in CA. Jimmy Dore would go, a lot of comedians and singers. I mean that isn't the reason I went but it was a nice bonus.
It's not like a trump rally where you might get shanked while the local politician rambles on conservative cliches.
Jacob Morris
This is utterly false yet you berniebots keep repeating it.
Andrew Nguyen
I'm not suggesting at all that he's an evil betrayer but that although a good man, he doesn't have the courage anymore to lead the socialist movement. He should be encouraging protests and riots. He should cut off ties with DNC as they are just as evil as the RNC. But his actions seem to indicate he is staying with them because he seems to think they will make small concessions. The working class doesn't need concessions, it needs revolution.
Aaron Perez
Agreed, but part of that is acknowledging that it isn't the job of people like Bernie to push that revolution, and in fact his position makes it an untenable position to hold. He did (and will continue to do) what he could but revolution isn't in his hands.
Angel Jones
Sorry duder, I'd take Social Democracy over conservatism or liberalism anyday.
I think the effect of Bernies presence on young people can't be overstated.
It's true, he was a reformist not a revolutionary. Though I think he's probably /ourguy/ he just realizes he's an old dude living in the most class cucked nation. Speaking to people disenfranchised by the system was his goal, not being the next Lenin.
Revolution can't happem within the state apparatus anyway. It's gonna have to happen on a municipal level, and Bernie's loss pissed off a lot of people who would've just grown up to be liberals otherwise.
Chill mate, Bernie didn't kill Rosa
Noah Ramirez
Preaching the choir. oh boy. You're a huge faggot.
Juan Baker
Bernie lead me down that path that eventually converted me to an ancom, and turned my independent friends into succdems that are open to talking about Communism. He despooked the word 'socialist', and single handedly did more for Communism in the last 2 years then actual Communists have done in the past 20+ years.
James Hughes
Tanks mate
Hunter Peterson
Barnie Sanders is cooler than anyone else thats in the senate right now. So don't give me that shit.
Eli Collins
HAH….cute
Carter Gomez
Bernie is a socialist, he isn't living that rich manipulative republican life.
He is old and has his values since he was young, he is the president we need in 2020
He even said that the it was ok they didn't win the dnc chair after all "we were playing in the establishments playfield" and the fact that he got close to winning was a great thing.
Stop pretending like he sold out to Hillary, he was forced , he didn't sell out
Ian Hernandez
Holy fuck you BTFO him!!!!!!!
Alexander Watson
Slick entryism is a thing, you know.
He turned me away from being a neoliberal centrist.
Nicholas Morgan
I'm greentexting that in all earnest to highlight its importance, user. Spot-on indeed. Pic related.
Angel Martinez
Never said he sold out. But he bent the knee. He compromised with the Democrats–aka the "soft" imperialists. We can't compromise with evil and have his supporters end up supporting neoliberals cause Trump is the supposed greater threat.
We can't have a leader who keeps on getting "forced" to bend over backwards for the Democrats.
I remember thinking this was a downer last year, but in retrospect the hedgemaster was right.
Jeremiah Collins
You mean like in this scene of Superman II? In that case, we all know what's coming next.
Aiden Martinez
its funny cause its true
Daniel Moore
On top of all that, lets not forget that he voted for several of Trump's cabinet picks. He has not voted against any pro-Israel bill, and voted for every military appropriations bill. Lets not pretend he is even close to what this world needs.
Sanders supporters are following a cult of personality.
Jeremiah Wright
Bernie is based and he is getting more support by the day
Elijah Brooks
Triggered 2bh
Nolan Jackson
He kept switching between saying he is a SocDem and a DemSoc. Maybe he really is a DemSoc but only ran as a SocDem or he is somewhere between the two.
At least the heartbreak of seeing him get crushed again will be soothed by normalfags realizing that reforming the democucks is a fool's errand
Josiah Williams
No it's not. A fool's errand is LARPing to your hearts content about an armed revolution that will not happen till at least 100 years from now if ever at all.
Sebastian King
OP is from /r/socialism and voted for Hillary.
reform not revolution am i right, unless it comes to hillary "goldwater" clinton who is totally not a racist reactionary neoliberal.
Aiden Foster
Fuck off, Democrat shill.
Sebastian Martin
Doesn't really matter what you think of Bernie, he did more for the left in America than anyone else in history. He single handedly made socialism not a dirty word to an entire generation of Americans. The importance of that can not be overstated.
Christopher Rodriguez
You can corner it to make some changes. SocDem stuff doesnt actually hurt borgoise that much only the richest of them so the smaller ones would see this as an opportunity to attack bigger competitors..
Henry Mitchell
By saying that you're discounting the work of Eugene Debs, MLK, Malcom X, etc. These men did far more than Sanders had and they were true socialists on top of it.
Carson Wilson
All is somebody who will actually give me free shit, a state issued Japanese gf, and money so I can stay home and play vidya all day.
Aaron Roberts
Debs received at most 5% of the vote all the times he ran for president. Bernie is much more mainstream.
Malcolm X was hated in his time and even today, most moderates and liberals don't support his message. And MLK's leftist and socialist messages have mostly been white washed from history.
Jason Brooks
The vote wasn't why Debs was important. It was the protests he organized that caused politicians to institute real reform. Malcolm X radicalized a very large section of the black population and although mlk's socialist stance had been whitewashed, the movements he led created huge changes and brought about lasting class consciousness. The change came from activism not through electoral politics.
Bentley Rogers
thanks for your input Holla Forums. now go to gulag
Sebastian Evans
Sounds exactly like what Holla Forums says when you criticize Trump. Keep following a cult of personality my friend.
Nathan Scott
>>>/liberalpol/
Noah Reyes
Yeah yeah, we know. We're well aware he's just the much, much lesser evil. Whatever.
Sebastian Baker
This should count as an argument against him, honestly.
