Common Reasons for Commie Hate

I feel like most of our opponents (save Nazis and Lolberts) simply have a fundamental misconception of what leftists actually want. Anyone else feel the same?

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"Communism killed 100,000,000,000,000,000 people."

I feel 100% the same as you on this OP. It's absolutely true that rightists have no fucking idea what leftism is.

This and idpol

That fits the list too, I bet.

Thanks to decades of "smear campaigns" and PR from daddy America everyone instinctively dislikes communism.

If you told them the basic ideas of things like the manifesto without mentioning Marx they'd probably agree with you.

I'd reckon you could write a whole book of these things, honestly.

The communist club in my highschool.

Well that and also a series of negative stereotypes, that makes any leftist look unmanly, weak, a push over, hippie etc.

As a result we're missing the dumb white fake machismo demographic that obnoxiously yells their political stance in a crowded place.

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They aren't stereotypes.

Go to any trump protest, I dare you.

I saw a large mix of people at most of the protests I went to.

In some ways too mixed obviously cheesy liberals and people literally crying over Hillary's loss in the street, but in terms of physicality I saw people of all shapes, ages and sizes.

Couple more to add to the group

source?

Our pleb opponents on the ground, sure.
The guys that actually matter, that throw out the high-level stuff that filters down to the kind of fucking retard who'll elect Tony Blair for a third term, they know exactly what we want. That's why they fuck it up.

The story of the collapse of Keynesian social-democracy is the story of capital and business interests showing that if you want a good model for their behaviour (and I believe it was Milton Friedman who said models should be judged on predictive value, irrelevant as to whether the assumptions are real) just assume pure evil. Or accelerationism, if you don't like value judgements.
bbc.co.uk/blogs/adamcurtis/entries/fdb484c8-99a1-32a3-83be-20108374b985
youtube.com/watch?v=sdZp5iw-UEo

And that's just a form of capitalism with nice paint. That's Keynes, the man who outright said "Dude, in a revolution I'm with the Bourgs", That managed to get Porky seeing red after a little while (Both in anger, and in sheer delusion. Harold Wilson the communist spy?). No, get rid of the paint.
Socialism/Communism? Forget about it. The whole structure is set against (indeed, set up simply to prevent) moving in that direction and prop up capitalism. That's the real problem. Alternative data-points in capitalism are ignored if they don't run with the narrative, let alone the very idea of an alternative system.

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Vietnamese poverty rate 2015:
7-7.2%
gso.gov.vn/default.aspx?tabid=621&ItemID=15507

I think its now estimated at ~8%

Unemployment rate for 2015 was 2.3%

United States:
Poverty rate estimated at 14.8% in 2015
usnews.com/news/articles/2015/09/16/poverty-income-stay-stagnant-census-bureau-says

Unemployment rate was 5.4% or so
data.bls.gov/timeseries/LNS14000000

I would argue the US economy is worse than those numbers as well because they exclude people through strange definitions of poverty, unemployment etc who would otherwise be defined as poor in cynical and shrewd ways to gerrymander numbers.

Because to most people "socialists" are either filthy, screeching trots trying to sell papers and convert people to their weird cult, or "anti-imperialists" who run around waving North Korean flags yelling about the evil Joo Banker Zionists. The vast majority of people don't experience or meet anyone else on the left outside of these two camps, so their opinions are very coloured by it.

"Under communism the state forces you to be a dentist even if you want to be a farmer"

So you're saying there's a chance.

nothing pisses me off more than the "fuck you, you don't believe what you say you believe, what you believe is what i say you believe" meme

Nazi Propaganda.

Toothbrushes.

That might not be a bad idea. a small booklet/freely distributed pdf, with these main misunderstandings of what communism is properly explained. Just a few pages dedicated to each, written in simple terms but still rather erudite, including sources and diagrams. At the end, actually provide the proper definition of communism, and those of important leftist terms and how the relate.

This one is concise and actually does a good job of presenting popular strawmans and debunking them:

marxists.org/history/etol/writers/callinicos/1999/02/marxmyth.htm

IT'S THOSE DAMN CULTURAL MARXIST THAT MADE MY SON A FAGGOT AND ARE TAKING OVER THE WORLD

If you explain that socialism is workplace democracy, not big gobernment, even people who call themselves conservatives will support it. I think they might support it more than liberals. You can tell that the average prole conservative really values labour by the way they talk.

I like that conservatives seriously think that when a more likely scenario is a kid was already gay and wasn't under the nose of their parents and finally got to fuck around free of inquiry and scrutiny. In the case of some euro countries the kid might also be afraid to become "that gay guy" in town and are waiting until they can move to the one big city in their countries red light district to "experiment."

I knew a few kids where this exact scenario took place. One kid was so obviously gay his whole life but his parents wouldn't believe the shit even after he told them multiple times, so he had to stage a scene in his room where he got caught getting sucked off by his BF.

communism = flooding my country with even more niggers, kikes, chinks, pajits, etc.

I'll pass thanks.

Case in point.

If a communist society were to be created today without international revolution, its borders would be closed to the outside world due to the danger of imperialist subversion.

If the international communist revolution were to happen there would be no incentive anymore for people to migrate from poorer into richer countries, unless they wanted to immigrate into another culture for various reasons that are outside the economic realm.

what country is that? cuba?

American values suck though

There is no such thing as "your country" unless you`re an absolute monarch.

Fuck off, state apparatus is not your private property.

Not that I'm a nationalist or anything, but isn't it natural to feel an attachment to the piece of soil you've tilled your entire life? I'd be pissed as hell if someone came along and kicked it up.

The desire to "own" one's country was one of the driving forces behind the widespread adoption of democracy.

No.
Humans developed as hunter-gatherers, not as plants. Majority of human pre-history has been nomadic and our evolutionary psychology is geared towards migrations. Only the social constructs of slave/feudal society ingrained this "muh soil" knee jerk reaction but it only came truly to fruition with invention of modern nation states in 1812.

This. The new far-right movement is the result of masculinity in crisis. That's why they rely on shit like calling people cucks. That's why they're afraid of blacks (because they buy into the belief that black men are more manly).

This sort of stereotype that leftists are weak little bitches also has the effect of confirming itself, because a lot of more macho types or, in the case of the alt-right, wanna be macho types are afraid of associating with something more womanly. They let capitalism fuck them and ostracize themselves socially just because they wanna hold "manly far-right views"

But we don't live in nomadic times anymore, (the majority of) people settled down long, long ago. There is nothing wrong with defending your peoples property, and the right to be you. Even during migration eras, there have always been people trying to keep the migrants outbecauseit messed with their way of life.

explain Frisian freedom then, a period without any feudal structure. Those people still gladly picked up arms when they had to

Didn't kill enough if there were still so many traitors and revisionists around.

Humans stopped being nomadic with the invention of agriculture.
Citation needed
Every hunter-gatherer tribe was a federal nation state housing multiple smaller nation states (family clans).
Nation states itself are not the problem. The problem is imperialism and, at the end of the day, private property on natural resources.