Go to socialist meeting

HAHAHAHA

It's your fault for going to a trot organization anyway.

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Fucking faggot americans.

I got tea up my nose.

s-stop bullying

If you cannot defend Holla Forums in its entirety with your dying breath then you are no better than a filthy kulak.

Say that even though there are reactionary people on here, it can have some interesting discussion, and helped you get familiar with the theory.

Thats what I've said, and no one's questioned it.

iktf op. I went to a socialist and there were TWO muslim females wearing that scarf on thier head.

That's inconceivable.

If you go to a left-wing meeting and people there are even aware of Holla Forums, chances are they are all Chapo heads who love Jacobin and Charnel-House and agree with us on most controversial shit.

I guarantee you it was a trot org if it was in America.

or they're from reddit

I'm jealous, headscarves makes qts look even qter

You're part of the problem. This is why leftism is losing everywhere, real leftists never take a stand for anything while liberals are always the loudest person in the room.

oh jeez u poor thing!

Fuck off with the memes Reddit.

Liberals have ALWAYS been the loudest people in the room.

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ah, there's a comic that has aged well

Any other south jersey fags on here

There is literally nothing wrong with a comrade choosing to wear hijab

so you're just slacktivist? nice1dudeo

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there's no organisation that has my interests at heart

There's more.

This literally never happens. They are being opressed by male relatives to do this. They are enemy of socialism. And yet they are welcomed in a supposed socialist group. It isnt' rihgt

these are so cringeworthy

guess hats, hoodies, headscarves, glasses, long skirts, and so on are all enemies of socialism

dsausa.org/chapters

There's a chapter in Central NJ and one in Philly. Don't judge them right off the bat for being socdems, most dedicated members are more radical socialists.

If you want to check out the Central NJ one, and want to see what kind of beliefs most members have, here's one of their branch chair's twitter:
twitter.com/LarryWebsite

this. We need to stop allowing liberals that support opression to keep calling themselves left.

you know this isnt true.

Liberalism has never ideologically developed ever.

Hm yeah good shit Bill Maher

Lmao you're such a dipshit. My sister literally insisted on wearing one despite my dad telling her not to, and I've seen plenty of other girls I've grown up with pull the same stunt on their parents

Have you ever asked her why?

The headscarf is an expression of reactionary ideology.

If you choose this kind of expression by your own volotion then it's actually way worse.

you're lying. Why would she want to oppress herself?

Why do people shill for these fuckers again? Rebranded socdems who already don't even have the courtesy of pushing for basic bourgie compromises that put some power to working people like cooperatives. The DSA literally claimed they were "anti-communist socialists" and then advertise with Marx whom they call a "democratic revolutionary" in their ever-enduring fruitless struggle to recruit a decent designer.

Amazingly, you are able to read the mind of every muslim woman who has ever worn a headscarf.

literally SJWshit

Remember comrades: cultural chauvinism and orientalist paternalism both empower empire. Kill every Trot and Asserite you see!

Correct, that picture says it all. We've gotten an overdose of "civil rights" and "demonstrations" for the past 70 years while jobs keep flying away, and our education has become the laughing stock of the developed world.

Who cares, leftypol is some dumb meme board that you don't really need to defend or whatever.

that's not what the picture was referring to, or its context.

What empowers empire is supporting fucking reactionary, imperialist iron age death cult ideologies.

What did they say OP?

Also it's good that we are becoming more well known now.

Wait, there are people who actually mention Holla Forums in real life?

nice hitler dubs

Anyways, sure I do. I usually spew whatever interesting happened on leftypol almost daily to a few friends of mine who use pol or whatever, not to outsiders no (obviously; same with any obscure thing ever, nobody will get it)

Cool manga kek.

This has been my experience.

Shits weird, knowing I could know anyone of you anons.

Fuck you if you're reading this, Bryan!

Nah that Twitter is (was?) run by like 15 different people.

The DSA is a big tent but in my experience the demographics sake out similarly to leftypol. Marxists and anarchists outnumber socdems, at least in my chapter

As a communalist, I find the focus on local politics encouraging, even if they appear reformist at the outset.

Also lmao if you think PSL or IWW is gonna change anything in America, your better off being leftcom at that point

Are we making it guys?

lots of Chapo/Jacobin people are still scared of Holla Forums and think it's a bunch of nazbols or something

What kinds of things have they said about us? Do they dislike our memes? our qt animu grillz?

I'm a fan of Chapo / Cum Town and I've been posting on chan sites since I was twelve

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And? That doesn't change that many Chapo listeners still believe redditors who say leftypol is reactionary.

Yeah, this is a problem with some second gen immigrant muslims, it's like it has become a symbol of their special snowflake individualism, even though it's a reactionary as fuck symbol.
It's actually a very western neurosis, ironically enough. Hipster islam lol.

thank the lord for our nazbol saviors

skam kri$$ hates us so we must be doing something right

Good. The implicit threat of cutting deals with 3rd positionists should let them know they're pissing everyone off. I would happily shoot liberals with the Black Front. You should know you've made a serious mistake when that happens.

no org where people meet in real life and then sit around talking about fucking Holla Forums of all things is likely to be worth shit

he sure got us

I chatted with a recent jacobin contributor and brought up leftypol. they thought it was interesting and had potential for subverting chan culture.

Twitter? I don't use that gay shit. All I know from them comes from their website, and it's fucking horseshit unless you're a socdem.

"Marxist" and "anarchist" are the favorite self-describing terms for a lot of hipster, usually identarian, leftists who politically have either shit tier understanding of things and would unironically think that pic I posted is accurate information on Marx (which is still sufferable), or have no real prospect of anti-capitalist politics outside of paying lipservice to it, while at best being about little more than whining identity issues and a higher minimum wage if you're lucky.

IDK about the PSL, but the IWW organized nation-wide prison strikes recently and still actually works with people in the workplace. It's sadly become very idpol-ridden and is much less of a radical Marxist syndicalist org anymore, but it would far from put De Leon to shame considering how shitty of a situation the IWW's been in since FDR ruined it.

I don't usually scream "cherrypicking!" when it comes to Holla Forums, but he must have literally picked the only few Holla Forumsfag posts in that thread. Unless I have shit memory that thread was more than appreciative of his article.

I will be laughing when he reveals hes a 9th degree leftypol Sith master and gets blacklisted from every socialist organization and gets nine counts of rape charges. It will be sad when they go to physically click his body for a downvote.

By "leftists" I mean left-liberals, which is hardly really leftist, of course.

god that guy sucks.

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Reminder he got incredibly mad at Zizek before for actually being honest about the refugee crisis:
samkriss.com/2015/09/11/building-norway-a-critique-of-slavoj-zizek/
inthesetimes.com/article/18615/in-defense-of-fantasy-a-response-to-slavoj-zizek

Which were in reply to:
inthesetimes.com/article/18385/slavoj-zizek-european-refugee-crisis-and-global-capitalism
inthesetimes.com/article/18605/breaking-the-taboos-in-the-wake-of-paris-attacks-the-left-must-embrace-its

And the final article Sam "I've read Adorno!" Kriss never replied to:
inthesetimes.com/article/18722/Slavoj-Zizek-on-Syria-refugees-Eurocentrism-Western-Values-Lacan-Islam

Birmingham is having its first DSA meeting on the 5th and I'm a little nervous about it. Hope I can contain my autism. The flyer advertising for it was pure liberal trash. I'm hoping it isn't too bad or I can otherwise push it in a more radical direction.

Because they're cute

Most people want to oppress themselves in some fashion or another.

Look up murdah. It's not just a merchant's way of problem-solving.

Like liberalism or propertarianism?

That's some lib-tier entryism you're smoking, there.

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When Montsalvat finishes translating shit.
institutenr.org
niekischtranslationproject.wordpress.com
disintegrationofthesystem.wordpress.com

they could be trying to trick libs into showing up that way

ever think that maybe they're just a flock of virtue signaling social justice faggots?

I hope that's the case.

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That image is disgusting, women's hair is one of their most beautiful features. Long, luscious, healthy locks on a beautiful female face are one of those things that makes Life worth it. Filthy hijabs should be scorned, mocked and cast aside by all cultures.

I think they're cute. Obviously not the faggot American flag hijabs though. Personally do like it when women dress a bit more conservatively rather than yoga pants everywhere, but they can wear what they want. Not like women are telling me what I can and can't wear.

I hate it, it goes with Arab Nationalism and Islam ALWAYS.

Arabs aren't the only people that wear hijabs and I never hear arabs spout off about all that shit. Sounds like some retarded university crowd rather than normal people.

women aren't telling you anything

What do you mean? Most the people I hang out with are women.

idk about you but I prefer my comrades non-spooked

dropped

there is a Marxist faction.
DSA is big-tent.

That's a flag code violation just FYI

This shit almost made me vomit.
Fuck DSA and its opportunist shit. In ten years all their "recent converts" will be demoralized liberal hacks who distantly remember their "edgy socialist phase"

defeatist scum

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I know those feels, man. They bitch about us a lot too at Nintendo where my uncle works. I guess we should just give up XD

In Saudi Arabia women are required by law to cover their hair. It would be foolish to assume that every single woman in the Saudi kingdom actually chose to wear the hijab.

Sure, there's probably a lot of women that chose to wear it. But still, there's a huge amount of women in islamic countries or families whom are forced to wear a veil.

The scarf itself is not the enemy of socialism. It's what it represents and stands for.

Don't. Tell them to commit suicide, then leave. We have the memes of production.

Take your pants off and start pissing on them

What did he mean by this?

Something something reclamation

that's fucking irrelevant to what they do in the West

subverting the rightists through chan culture, that is

Doesn't matter, socialism and hijab is incompatible. We want to liberate women from thier oppressions, even if they themselves don't

T E M P O R A R I L Y E M B A R R A S S E D M I L L I O N A I R E S

the end result of your logic is that we must all be forced to strip naked because modesty is a spook. fuck off retard.

G R E A T S O U R C E F O R M E M E S

Karl Marx was a good patriot and a feminist who believed in fighting crony capitalism by educating, agitating, and organizing, then caving for Hillary at the last minute. He had many encouraging exchanges with John Oliver and was a proud supporter of reminding people what year it is. He fought for democracy and had nothing to do with communism. and he believed in socialism, which is where the government does some things and not other things which is kind of like capitalism. Do you support the military? Oh you're a socialist then. UNIVERSITY LIBS OF THE WORLD UNITE

Real talk, do you honestly believe Americans will jump to full communism now immediately?

You gottta rope people into an ideology with what hey care about. Moreover DSA signalling to millenials is smart, because the older generations aren't gonna change at this point. I don't necessarily agree with the DSA but it sure as shit is better at messaging than PSL or the thousand other ML parties!

I literally threw up in my mouth.

it sounds like some retard on the internet making things up

Drug Marsal would have a few things to say about that.

this pisses me off so much, the pic screams "lurk moar" so fucking much
the fact he included anfem shows how much of a newfag he is

go back to /r9k/

This. It's total weakness if your first response is "how do I hide my actual beliefs" rather than "how do I argue that my principles are correct".

Reminder that Democratic Socialist is just Social(ist) Democrat in reverse and that you should not expect any difference between the two.

Don't invoke their name as some powerword; invoke their argument's.

All of Holla Forums's rather impotent complaints about IDpol can be backed up with Marxist theory which will be harder for libshits to weasel out of.

I know, for instance, Franco "Bifo" Berardi of the earlier Autonomists attempts a preliminary critique of IDpol but even more radical in the sense that he targets Identity itself as essentially reactionary idealism. (I'll greentext the passage in the next comments as it is rather short).

You can invoke Rosa. I found her argument - being allowed to contribute to the reproduction of your own oppression is in no way liberation - combined with the fact that she was a woman to be effective in at least getting people off my back.

Identity and Identification

him to treat wounded or ill Arabs, including those who served in the Israel Defense Forces. His superiors decided not to punish his refusal, but merely to reassign him to South Lebanon.

(1/9)

kind of interdiction and punishment. Identity is a limitation (unconsciously realized) upon the possibility of comprehension and interaction. It is a useful limitation, of course, but it is dangerous to mistake it as a condition of authenticity and primeval belonging. It is the condition of mutual aggressiveness, of racism and violence, and fascism. Identity is based on a hypertrophic sense of the
root, and it leads to the reclamation of belonging as criterion of truth and of selection.

(2/9)

fucking 8cuck breaking the formating

Discarded.

territories, with all the concomitant cultural contamination and intermixing. In conditions of competition, these processes tend to excite the need for identitarian belonging, and to give way to identitarian aggressiveness.

(3/9)

Stuff like this makes retch

forms of identification, it frees the individuals from the limitations of identity, but simultaneously it provokes a sense of displacement, a sort of opacity that is attributable to the loss of previous meanings and emotional roots. As a result, capitalism ultimately provokes a need for reterritorialization, and a continual return of the past in the shape of national identities, ethnic identities, sexual identities, and so on.

(4/9)

People are always shouting they want to create a better future. It’s not true. The future is an apathetic void of no interest to anyone. The past is full of life, eager to irritate us, provoke and insult us, tempt us to destroy or repaint it. The only reason people want to be masters of the future is to change the past. They are fighting for access to the laboratories where photographs are retouched and biographies and histories rewritten.

(5/9)

Traps of Identification

(6/9)

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eyes of their oppressors.

(8/9)

(9/9)

The ugly truth:

They all post here and pretend they don't IRL. Every last one of them. We have the memes of production.

As Bernardi roots his arguments in a more orthodox structuralism stemming primarily from Saussure and Lacan aswell as the situationism of Debord, as opposed to the mad neo-liberal mutation of Deluze and Foucault by the latter Autonomist writers, you have a rich literature to expand a critique of identity and identity politics.

You could go the route of Structuralism and expand an anti-identity argument by invoking the concepts of Signified / Signifier, The Symbolic Order and the Master Signifier to attack / problematize Identity directly. Your greatest weapons here will be Saussure, Lacan, Althusser and Zizek.

Or you could follow Debord into a Left-communist / Ultraleft critique and raise 'Spectacular Society' and the problems posed by the mediation of language through the commodity form and "the decline of being into having, and having into merely appearing."

It would then be quite easy to expand on this tract by moving into the realm of Tiqqun / The Invisible Committee or into Value form theory and "Communization" if you want to avoid going too Debordian on them.

Anyway the defeatist attitude in this thread and the whole idea of hiding ones power level is fundamentally counter-revolutionary; Mao was completely correct when he observed that liberalism posed an existential threat to any revolutionary movement and as such the principle aim of any first world leftist at this current historical juncture should be to 'combat liberalism'.

Otherwise we will have to do so under the threat of a real fascism and it doesn't really need to be said the supposed comrades that are so fucking soft that they don't even have the intestinal fortitude to entertain the thought that neo-liberal "intersectional" rubbish is the nomenclature of today's ruling bourgeoisie aren't going to have our backs when push comes to shove.

>They must be being manipulated by their internalized patriarchy or threatened by the evil men.
>>>/reddit/

You're fucking lazy dude.
South Jersey is in the orbit of Philly. Just go there.

I'm sure there are some Commie orgs in Princeton if you really need to stay in state.

since when are Muslims, and Arabs at that, the only ones who wear headscarves? it seems to be a motif in religious cultures in the Middle East other than Arab Muslims, plus for women from Greece, the Balkans, and Eastern Europe.

Since everyone else got over it but they have their fashion permanently mandated by their book.

I concur. The last thing workers should ever do is show solidarity with other workers. All other workers are competition, and without them your wages would be higher. That goes double for any of the immigrant filth from other towns. People should stay in the town they were born in and work to improve things there. Remember, your local capitalist might be exploiting your surplus value, but at least he isn't a filthy foreigner.

this tbh fam 👌👌👌

found the polyp

I don't buy it.

Where.
I wanna go there.

Put on a catgirl shirt.

We were all warned about people like you

underrated post

kill urself

Oh shit I had the same thing recently happen to me. Where was the meeting?

I don't think anyone at my socialist club knows about /lp/ but I'd like to know if they do. I've become more and more reddit-tier as time has moved on beacuse I actually enjoy /r/socialism, /r/lsc and /r/shitliberalssay

I went from being pro-pedo to anti-pedo, pro-lolicon to anti-lolicon and pro-freezepeach to anti-freezepeach and anti-violence to pro-violence

and this is bad how

does us all a favor and end your life

I'm sorry you feel that way, but why do you say that?

not sure.. feels like I'm giving up on the things I used to hold dear; free speech and lolicon are big ones (no joke)

There's no reason to give up on free speech and lolis. Free speech is quite important for socialists in peace time in the run up to the revolution, as we can use it to beat over the head of those who'd like to silence us. As for lolis, don't be a bourgeoisie moralist.

Pedos and pacifists can get fucked tho.

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Kek, hit a nerve? Because I didn't say that at all. These are jokes about the "pragmatic" left in general

It's not "defeatist" to point out you're going the wrong way. You won't get to Seattle by driving south from LA and so on
Pointing out that an identical recipe to the student """radicals""" of the '60s will certainly lead to the same conclusion, and that capitalism is huge on a "controlled fringe" to reincorporate dissent into the safe dead end of bourgeois politics, is not "laziness."

You might put more emphasis on this kind of thing if you had parents involved in those movements, who seem to always talk about how they were "sure there was going to be a revolution" and now cheer on Obama and Hillary and think Trump won because people are "really, really stupid."

We can diagnose the failures of the past in terms of their deficient theoretical foundations as well as historical conditions. Self-anointed "radicals," however, never seem to do this. It's always that the world wasn't right for socialism, or socialism was "utopian" and not right for the world, or that they were "going through a phase." This is actually a fully natural response to disorientation when you wrongly believe yourself the most "practical" and "pragmatic" sort of socialist.

Honestly, you need to understand theory to be a leftist. That comes first. Otherwise you're playing with aesthetics, and you'll stop as soon as you burn out.

get
the
fuck
out

Bravo Swartz

But seriously you should go back to reddit.

You too.

Why the fuck would you wear that stupid fucking thing on your head? That flag's only good for burning. Damn retarded yanks. Hijab is fine though.

Hijab is fucking retarded

DELET THIS

I'd be interested in how this is even possible. What arguments did people on Reddit make to get you to change your positions in this way? This sounds like all those "former Bernie supporters" who supposedly switched from Bernie to unironic Trump support.

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man you should get your mouth shut. "memes" you say that word & you're instantly a social retard. Chill the fuck out.

Just say that you browse the place from time to time & it isn't as bad as they think.

To represent a whole place one has to read a fucking book, so it's good that OP shut the fuck up because I don't think he had smart theory backing him off.

Spooky
Meh, free speech doesn't exist under capitalism but I don't see a reason why we couldn't have it under full communism
This is good.

Literally "ha..ha…yeah I go there but I'm not one of THOSE guys…I just go for the memes, yeah that's it". You might as well just jump on board with them and start decrying Holla Forums as a sexist racist hellhole. You do the same amount of damage with that weak ass apologetic defence of actually being a leftist.

This post gave me euphoria.

Religion isn't just mystical dogma. It's an expression of culture. If you're going to denigrate somebody for being born Christian, Muslim, or whatever, then just go back to Reddit and hang out with all the teenage liberals there.

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one is secular non-sp00ked the other 100% sp00k or appropriation if non-muslim

great logic there mr. professor

I'm not sure if I like it here or on reddit more. Here there seems to be more diversity of conversation and more stupid people (just because they don't get instabanned here)

They didn't really have arguments to change my position, I didn't ask them either. I became convinced of being against free speech (and for violence) because of this whole Spencer punching thing and Nazis saying "lol free speech bro" in order to harrass and push their ideology.
I became anti-loli because my only argument for it was free speech, but ultimately it has potential negative effects which are sufficiently risky for me to be against it; namely, the fact that a child may be shown it in order to think it's fine to be doing those activities (comics being a familiar medium for children); the fact that lolicon normalises treating children as potentially sexual objects who can consent to sex at that age, which they are not; the fact that one who consumes lolicon has, anecdotally, an easy gate way into real CP.
I became anti-pedo for similar reasons; it's a mental illness and ought to be treated as such, not justified. Many people who have been abused in the past (such as Milo) try to justify their victimhood by trying to minimise the effects of the abuse by legitimising it. Pedophiles have a chance of moving to real children after consuming CP, which is risky. (Unlike loli, this is backed up by evidence).

Admittedly I'm in a state of limbo with regard to this stuff. I'm re-experiencing an identity transformation. Ask if you want anything else.

There's nothing wrong with 'spooks'; moral nihilism is far from factually established.

Because nazis use it to push propaganda, so would the capitalists who haven't been killed yet

I don't know, tbqh fam.

I stole someone else's ice cream a couple days ago. I feel bad for it.

What kind of mental gymnastics are involved when you pretend a 50 year old sticking his dick in a 4 year old constitutes a "healthy relationship"?

Okay fam

This is delusional, outside of your 'buddism for idle white women' religion takes the place of state, ideology and yes it is enforced and indoctrinated culture. That's not a good thing, you're living with pure spooks.

Nazism isn't just mystical dogma. It's an expression of culture.

What the fuck lmao

Everything has potential negative effects, so let's just ban everything. Cars and unhealthy food can easily kill people or ruin lives, and are far more likely to do so than sex. Let's get rid of them. Everyone knows horses are the best anyway. Please ignore what happened to Christopher Reeve.

How old do you think someone has to be to decide what to do with their own body, anyway? You're not going to find many people here advocating for legalizing pedophilia, but there are more than a few who argue that the definition of pedophilia has been expanded far beyond what it was supposed to cover.

Yeah, those definitions again. The negative effects of adults and teens having consensual sex are almost entirely made up, and the results of the "studies" supposedly showing them have never been replicated in any country that isn't swept up in hysteria-mongering. In those cases where they aren't, those same negative effects would have also happened in a relationship between two adults.

Nobody here is advocating for this, except Holla Forums trolls false flagging. Ignore them.

well it is pretty shit here. Too many tankie LARPers.

lel

If you do nothing, you will get nothing.
Trying doesn't hurt and what doesn't kill us, makes us stronger.

NOTHING VENTURED NOTHING GAINED AMIRITE?!
IF YOU DON'T DO WHAT I SUGGEST YOU'RE OBVIOUSLY DOING NOTHING

Either they have to wear it, and are oppressed. Or they chose to wear it, out of false consciousness.

I guess gangster movies movies should be banned too, because I sure as fuck know that the only thing preventing me from joining the mafia after seeing goodfellas was that I wasn't Italian.
That's another slippery slope and one so absurd it doesn't even deserve a response. That's like saying porn should be banned because incels are going to go rape a woman after watching some.
And so fucking do you. Not only are you willing to use violence to silence people you disagree with, you're also delusional enough to think you won't be silenced along with "nazis".
You should. They wageslaved to pay for it and you effectively stole those hours of their life.

Just go "Yeah, I go to Holla Forums. They're an interesting group of people. The fact that reactionaries are allowed to post there gives us fodder and practice arguing our positions."

These.