Why are so many MGTOWs libertarians?

Beats me. I'm kinda like a MGTOW (I don't identify with the label, I just see myself as a /r9k/ robot). Except I'd rather vote for a Bernie Sanders type and use the NEETbux/autismbux to go see a whore like once a month or something. Roasties are never going to like me and I'm NEET and hate wage cucking. So I might as well vote for the party that is going to give me the welfare. Duh.

The whole /r9k/ robots voting for Trump thing is really just contrarianism.

Now MGTOWS going libertarian is absolutely fucking retarded. Not only are you getting cucked by Chad but you want to get cucked by your boss too? What is wrong with you?

Its actually not anything like I'd expect. Like wanting child trafficking so they can get some pussy.

It's actually much more deep and connected to their paranoia of the state and alienation within society. Basically mgtow think men run everything and are the proletariat. Men do the hard work, men build the computers, men serve your food, they're not wrong…

Well how does society maintain this level of quantitative consumption? Enslaving men to taxation, to no real property ownership, to divorce rape, etc. By keeping them in a loop of struggles, especially pertaining to status and comfort, they get the most out of their labor whilst women enjoy a life as a labor aristocracy.

The problem isn't their thesis, it's the end result of ignoring the fact it's capitalism to blame and more privatization isn't going to help at all.

This tbqh. The /r9k/ guys just voted for Trump because they got swept up by the Holla Forums enthusiasm. Though, when one compares Hillary "Nuclear War With Russia" Clinton to Donald "Build Dat Wall" Trump, I think the reasonable choice is indeed the latter candidate.

they won't let me on their body

i won't let them on my lawn

Wage cucking as a socially awkward young man is the fucking worst. You put in all this labour and yet women don't wanna fuck you anyways. I literally had an autistic meltdown/breakdown at work, told my boss I wanted to quit because they wouldn't accomodate my special needs (autism) and went NEET. Been that way for nearly 2 years.

What's the point in contributing to society when society doesn't respect you anyway?

Socially awkward guys should be going NEET, not embracing libertarianism.

I resent the fact that men have to work hard. If I was a woman, I could just give guys blowjobs out of their car and not have to work a real job. Women are like a labour aristocracy like puts it. A whore spent only10 minutes with me and I accidentally prematurely ejaculated jerking my cock while I was feeling up her body. And then she was like "thats it, you cum, it's over". What a waste of $60. Easiest $60 to make in your life (she did give me a bit of a blowjob earlier and I got to fuck her for a little while and she gave me a handjob. But I had trouble getting hard. So I was jerking myself off while I was playing with her body to try to get in the mood and then I PE'd.)

You can give blowjobs as a man too. You might have to give 4 instead of 2 but the demand is there

the reason you don't do it is because nobody wants to blow some old dude's nasty cock

MGTOWS and MRAS will end up liking traps eventually

a lot of them already do…
Also, I think MRAs are not the same as MGTOWs but there is a giant overlap between them.

He's trying to shoehorn

Traps are not the solution fam.
Bailey Jay is hot. But she can get dick from Chad and Tyrone ON DEMAND. Why would she want anything to do with a MGTOW/MRA incel?

You see it's not like we hate women for being women. Bailey Jay is a biological male and she is still in the position to be a hypergamous slut. If she was a biological female, she'd have more muh privilege. But lots of hot guys would be willing to have sex with an attractive trans girl.

It's not that women are evil by nature. Humans are evil by nature and it's human nature to be picky and even exploit people when you have leverage. This guys for not just social relationships but financial relationships.

inflated self-image

When nihilismfag starts using lolbert arguments you know it's gonna be a riot.

Hell I fully admit that if I was a woman, I would go for Chads and Tyrones too (mostly Tyrones because apparently they have the biggest dicks and they're the most masculine) so I don't blame women for doing so. I'm just bitter at the hand I was dealt in life born as an autistic beta male. Mother Nature has a sick sense of humour.

you're not starving or working 10 hours a day in a factory right? You sit on your ass without a job and all comforts are provided to you.

Stop acting like you not getting any pussy is the most important shit in the world bitch

Psychology and Self-fulfillment needs are also important. I'm a psych grad.

You really think that physiological and safety needs being met are all that are important for life happiness?

You can't just pretend like economic issues are all that matter to people. This is why the IDpol left is far larger than Holla Forums (if it wasn't for the catgirl ban on r/socialism, leftypol wouldn't even be this large). And why the alt-right is far larger than Holla Forums.

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Every fucking post you make is autistic screeching about chad and tyrone and roasties. You're clearly obsessed my man.

Pic related.

You mean this is why the idpol crowd is larger than the leftist crowd.

autism, unironically

I haven't had sex without paying for it since Apr 19th (it's been so long that I even remember the date). I have went years without sex in previous droughts. There are men out there who have been virgins all their life. Well into their twenties. Their thirties. And beyond.

I saw a hooker 4 1/2 days ago. The first time I had sex PERIOD in over 10 months. But she rushed me and discarded me like I was nothing. I felt like a piece of shit. I felt like a cuck. Here is this woman making $60 for 10 minutes of barely any work and doesn't even bother to pretend that she isn't repulsed by my autism.

You don't know the depths of alienation until you have autism or some other mental disorder that significantly impairs you socially.

You are right, I don't know how that feels. Sounds pitiful. But personally I feel the millions who are dying of hunger and starvation in a world where more than enough food is produced. Those who are maimed in our oil wars, those at our doorstep stuck in perpetual poverty poverty. I think those take precedent over your problems getting your dick wet, no?

But don't you think you have any control at all over how much that bothers you? I'm 22 and a virgin and it just doesn't bother me. Granted I don't have much of a sex drive, but like, I don't get the need to have sex over literally all else. as says, there's so much more suffering in the world than not jizzing in exactly the way you want to.

I'm on the road to poverty too. My dad isn't going to live forever. I'm unemployable and even if I managed to get a job, the numbers of working poor in the first world are growing. I don't think people who have a job realize how big the NEET epidemic is in the west. 13.5% of men my age where I live (30-34) are not employed. And that number is only going to get bigger as the February and March stats come in and the seasonal workers are let go.

When even leftypol leftists tell unemployable people during times of high unemployment to "get a job", does it shock you when /r9k/ moves to the alt-right?

From what I've heard from robots, they think that everything is going to shit anyways. So they voted for Trump just to say "fuck you" to the normies and "fuck you" to the liberals that want to invade their male spaces (ie. gamergate, internet) and who have brought about the female sexual revolution, feminism, female sexual promiscuity, female hypergamy (women choosing Chad for casual sex while rejecting NEETs as boyfriends because they want a beta provider cuck), etc.

What do you propose to fix that problem m8?

And I don't even live in the worst part of Canada. There are parts of Canada like Newfoundland where the male 25-29 not employed rate is like 34%. I have a female friend who lives there. She says that there are lots of shiftless "losers" there who just sit on the couch watching TV, going on the internet and working out while she is holding down a pleb job at Tim Horton's. "These young guys think they are too good for my job. Losers." She wants to move to Edmonton and meet a guy who has his shit together, etc. HYPERGAMY

Nobody is telling you to "get a job". But we are saying two things in regards to that graph you posted above:

1. moving past the "basic needs" category necessitates that you have the "basic needs" already met

2. the needs above "basic needs" require interaction with other human beings who ALSO have their basic needs met, allowing them to progress to the higher stages

With that said, it should be your top priority to maximize the number of people who have the bottom two met (aka economic issues) such that you maximize the set of people who can interact with you to meet the other needs.

MGTOWs believe that the state is used to unjustly extract resources from men, in the form of forced child support payments or any other wealth transfer that unfairly benefits women as the majority of benefit recipients

It's not hard to see the proximity to Libertarianism.

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Well, debtor's prison has been abolished for pretty much anything else but child support payments.

Really makes you think.

I'm going to screencap this because this is the exact reasoning they use.

I wish I knew. Pandora's Box is already open. We are doomed. I have a unique take on this as a leftist robot.

1) We can not go back to pre-female sexual liberation anyways. Pandora's Box is already open. Have you ever heard of "Tinder experiments" or "dating site experiments"? I made a fake profile of an overweight middle-aged white woman looking for casual sex. And I got lots of messages from hot guys. Some of them were hung. You can't go from a life of licking whipping cream off Tyrone's abs and taking his 10" dick to being monogamous with a balding manlet with a pot belly and a 5" dick for example.

2) The traditional way of doing things where men provide and women stay at home does not work for me. I don't want to be a beta provider. Being a beta provider is for cucks. I want to be Chad/Tyrone. Or better yet I want to be a woman. Not a trans. A real woman. Because the raw sexual power that a woman has is incredible. And you can milk men out of their money with that power.

Honestly the best case scenario I think is really just Bernie Sanders (for now, socialism is a long ways away), holding my nose at the leftist IDpol and just collecting my BernieBux and seeing a whore once in awhile. And cry myself to sleep because the whore is obviously repulsed by my social awkward autism. And just pray that there will be VR waifus in my lifetime.

Most robots on the other hand don't think that a Berniestate is sustainable. So they just want to see shit burn to the fucking ground. Just to spite the liberals who have deprived them of a gf and ruined their vidya, twitter, etc. Cut your nose to spite your face.

women only have "raw sexual power" because of our cultural attitude about them, m8

Then why is this imbalance observed in different cultures, even hunter-gatherers, different times and even in our nearest ancestors within the animal kingdom?

Donald "Build Dat Wall (and also nuclear wall with Iran)" Trump

Pretty much.

Men are shamed for being "sexually inadequate" by not only their male peers but also women! since teenagehood. A man's self-worth is tied to his sexual conquests.

Meanwhile my female friend says that if she is horny, she'll play with her clitoris until she cums or she'll get out her dildo if she wants to "get fucked" and the horniness subsidies. She says that she doesn't need to go home with a guy on Tinder because she knows that the guys on there want her. She doesn't need validation. She can get off without the hassle of STDs through masturbation. Women aren't shamed for not getting laid in a while. Women are not shamed for being virgins.

Women are far more likely to be shamed for being single. And even that is changing now. My sister is in her forties and she's self-conscious about it. But she is not a FA "basement dwelling loser". People might talk behind her back and stuff. But she isn't openly mocked by society. It's becoming more socially acceptable. And plenty of millennial women don't have boyfriends at all and peers don't judge them for it.

I don't think that's true. I think we're just overwhelmingly presented with evidence of other cultures that match our own in terms of attitudes towards women. I'm no anthropologist and I won't try to make any lofty claims, I just find it hard to believe that there has never been/isn't a single culture where women weren't viewed as the primary decision-makers in terms of sex.

They are virgins.

I'm inclined to say that our collective desire to emphasize relationships is because we have all been told that reproduction is the most important thing in the world. Whether it be because of socialism or advancing technology, I see that attitude as destined to go away, for both men and women.

Also not only is maleness tied with sexual conquest but also sexual performance.

A man's self-worth in society is not only tied to being able to get a woman in bed. But also tied to being able to sexually satisfy her.

Male gender roles are incredibly rigid and absolutely no one talks about that. Feminists don't talk about it much. And MRAs/MGTOWs want to do some sort of 1950's Leave it to Beaver LARP…

What about men who don't want to be some sort of beta provider traditional male? But yet resent liberal women mocking us for being socially inept, sexually inadequate, etc?

Surely I'm not the only one who sees a common psychological profile between Tories, libertarians, MGTOW, gun nuts, fundies, traditionalists and other assorted reactionaries?

I actually have discussed the rigidity of male gender roles with feminists quite a bit, but I think it's a more difficult issue to proselytize because you have to get men to buy into it too, rather than being able to declare it about yourself.

I think I'm the only robot/MGTOW/MRA type that talks about the intersectionality of gender and class and also neurodiversity (autism) and class.

Maybe my calling in life is to teach a "Male Alienation in 21st Century Late-Stage Capitalism" Course in University. I don't have a Master's Degree, let alone a PhD. But surely there's gotta be some sort of right-wing nutjob private university that would give me tenure. So as long as they can get over my anti-capitalism talk. lol.

Vast majority of MGTOWs and such just want to be living right-wing male stereotypes.

I have a liberal arts background (Sociology/Psychology double major grad) and I actually took a gender studies course in University once because I needed to take a sociology elective in summer school and the gender studies course was at 2PM so I could stay up late playing vidya and then wake up later. So I actually have first-hand exposure of the intersectionality stuff. And I've always wanted to raise my hand in class and talk about male intersectionality with class. But that wouldn't be Politically Correct. People get all up and arms when you point out that women actually uphold capitalism by placing capitalist pressures on men (ie. putting on their dating profile: You must have a job, have your own place, have a car, etc.)

Or maybe we have an innate desire to reproduce because natural selection weeded those who didn't out of the population for the past 3.5 billion years.

Yeah and we also have taste buds so we can pick out the berries in the forest that are good for us. Not all evolutionary developments are still relevant.

And that's the main issue I have with all this r9k sperging. I just don't see any solution to it. No gf nazi proposes raising girls in goverment facilities and then marrying one to a person at 14

Aside from unreasonable shit like that, I don't know how to fix it. That's why I hate the r9k threads here. I can't offer a solution to them like I can to poorfags

Source?

Consent is a spook.

Because the State/Gynocracy attacks men's wallets first and foremost. Easy math

It's Social Alienation.

Every time I see someone field "I can't get laid" as the biggest argument against their "self-actualization" I laugh my ass off.

GUYS GUYS I NEEEED TO RUT A CUNT OR I'LL HAVE EMOTIONAL BREAKDOWNS WAAAAAAAAAAAAH

Fucking sheesh.

All of us are socially alienated tho, but only some people develop that sort of "pathological reactionarism".

Yeah you'd have to have a controlled environment like that from birth for girls. Robots in their teens, twenties or thirties such as myself are already screwed. If you raised girls in a controlled laboratory setting like that now, I wouldn't be able to have a "wholesome gf" until I'm 47 (assuming that we are following age of majority laws and I am assigned the first batch of 16 year old lab-controlled gfs).

Because let's face it, women my age or even in their twenties and teens have had all kinds of casual sex by now. You can not undo that part of your past. Pandora's Box is already open.

In fact my ex-gf was very jealous of the fact that I used to see prostitutes (she knew before we dated) before we dated. Because I have autism and was largely an incel and didn't have many dating options (and now I'm back to being an incel). Because in her mind, she thinks "how can he stay faithful to me if he had sex with multiple beautiful women and has easy access to them at his fingertips?"

Thing is, is that prostitutes are really just a pretty prop. Like a pretty sex toy. The vast majority of prostitutes didn't even pretend to like me. Some are visibly repulsed by my autism. Making love to a girlfriend is much more satisfying. Even if she's not the hottest girl around. But women just get so insecure and think that men think that looks are everything. And that the forging of bonds doesn't mean anything to us. Most of the time after I see a prostitute, I actually feel like shit. No matter how hot she is.

Consider suicide

t. idiot who thinks they are an authority

And you wonder why robots HATE leftists? To the point that they belief in memes like "cultural marxism."

I may vote for Bernie Sanders type for my self-interest. But I certainly don't socialize among Bernie Sanders supporters. They are not my people. I don't feel welcome among those normalfags. They look down on us and take us for granted just like they take blacks for granted. Because we are a minority and we have nowhere else to go basically. The Republicans aren't going to do jack shit for black people, just like they aren't going to do anything for autistic NEETs.

You can't just pretend that economic issues are everything and reject intersectionalism of gender, race, neurodiversity, etc.

If I was a woman, I wouldn't remain poor for very long. I would use my raw sexual power as a woman to drain men of their resources just as they drain men of their semen.

And then I'd tell pathetic incels "don't be so divisive, let's focus on economic issues kay ;)"