There is a very big and even growing tendency here to outright reject Reddit, understandably so...

There is a very big and even growing tendency here to outright reject Reddit, understandably so. It's user base is mostly liberal or reformist and the few leftist subs there are, are controlled by LARPing college students – you get banned for the slightest transgression or upset, for personal opinions that are unrelated to the class struggle or even for just personally upsetting a mod and so on. This obviously makes it very unattractive to everyone who is getting interested in socialist ideas and is not helpful towards any form of recruitment or organization.

Now, my question is: What is going on with /r/leftypol? I see it has been claimed and reactived by /u/_metamythical – is that person known here and can we trust him? The subreddit looks dead as fuck right now and I don't think it is being promoted or cared for at all.

In any case I believe we must have a presence on Reddit and in these regards learn from the alt-right. When Holla Forums started /r/the_donald, they massively flooded that subreddit with both legit activity through users and fake activity through bots: memes, posts, upvotes and so on. These are the kinds of dirty tactics we need to make use of as well – other subreddits did even a half decent job at it, sadly they're in the hands of the wrong people (/r/LateStageCapitalism for example). The whole Sanders crowd originally formed on Reddit and would be a big recruiting pool for example. There's a lot of movement we can build and minds we can influence here.
People don't like what is reasonable, they like what's popular. They like what's strong and what they can be part and proud of. You can call it a spook, but you would deny reality.

inb4 armchairs telling me we have to wait for the material conditions to motivate the people (kys)

You're right.


Let it burn Reddit is cancer.

/r/the_donald has 375,000 subscribers right now. They might all be fucked in the head, but imagine if we had this presence on Reddit. It influences a lot of people.

furthermore Reddit is generally more left-leaning – it's audience is younger and people under 25 are very open to socialist ideas. And as I referenced in the OP there is a huge Bernie crowd that can easily be radicalized. If we were to make a serious attempt at taking over Reddit, our crowd would be likely much bigger than that of /r/the_donald

Pretty much this. The longer we irrationally reject Reddit, the longer we'll languish in internet obscurity.

Redditors CAN be radicalized. It worked for me; it'll work for others.

Oh man, having that amount of reach, would be something formidable.

It has always been this way and it's actually weakening. Like there's more reddit shilling here than ever. Proof? This and every single other fucking thread over and over asking and talking about reddit for some fucking reason recently.

I know it's always been this way, I've been on imageboards since 2006. The growing trend is perhaps my impression of the reaction to a lot of former Reddit users coming here after the catgirl fiasco that was going on there or whatever other reason. The board is growing after all and not all users come from *chans.

While I agree you have a point, we don't have the levels of activity here that we could use to surge a subreddit to something akin to r/The_Donald, Most everybody here would just say "Fucking Idpol infested reddit, stay there you reddit newfag" rather than push for the dedication that was on r/The_Donald. Secondly r/The_Donald had a goal and a very obvious thing to post about, Donald Trump and news about the US election and now his presidency, leftypol is too vast to have such a targeted campaign, what we we post about there? If you just mean general leftist stuff then it would just be lus using reddit instead, which isn't going to happen. Thirdly, r/The_Donald was never explicitly Holla Forums, people who are heavy internet users could obviously see it was Holla Forums but the millions of lurkers who just casually browse reddit at work or when taking a shit who never make accounts didn't know that and weren't repulsed by the relation to Holla Forums. Forthly, we'd be so small any potental userbase would be eaten up by r/socialism. r/latestagecapitalism and our memes would just be reposed on r/FULLCOMMUNISM, we'd have nothing to offer to grow a user base or any original material to use, unlike r/The_Donald who were the only big sub shit posting Trump propaganda. Fifthly, r/The_Donald was literally just shouting memes and pointless spam to push them to the front page with simulated activity, I'd like to think we have a higher level of discourse than that.

I suggest you remodel the idea rather than just leftypol on reddit make it more a class consciousness/ liberal converting subreddit that seeks to educate about class struggle to focus attention on one thing rather than a broad topic like 'leftism', don't associate it with leftypol but do make it explicitly not an identity politics subreddit but one that only focuses on class consciousness and class warfare. I think there is also a good nitche on reddit for a more education based leftist sub with lots of talk of theory and different strains of leftism rather than the general non discussion 'nonsectarian' stuff you get in other leftist subs where a tankie a leftcom and an anarchist never really even talk about their ideas

You can't stop it. Leftypol users are going to move on, get full time jobs and post less and some will die, net migration is always going to replace the 'pure' image board users. lots of people came over from the catgril drama, and considering how big the shit got we became infamous and so those discontent with the r/socialism mods came here

Lurk more. We have been trying to democratically coup the reddit liberal subs for months. OP is just a faggot shilling his awful subreddit that is geared towards ruining this board.

I'm trying to change that. It also doesn't take a lot of legit users, although we will need bots and the like and basically advertise a subreddit. What's important is to control the mod team, since that's what every subreddit boils down to in the end.

True, that's a problem. They directly profited off of Donald Trump's presidential campaign, while there won't be a prominent socialist figure in the US for a long time. But I'm sure we will find our topics – look at for example /r/EnoughTrumpSpam, a subreddit exclusively dedicated to reacting to Trump. It's boring, infested by liberals, full of losers, censored by Reddit admins and the mod team sucks – yet it has 80.000 subscribers and regularly appears on /r/all, merely by throwing upvotes at something.

Yeah I don't think it's necessarily a good idea to be explicitly Holla Forums either or recreate Holla Forums on Reddit – the lax moderation style that's working for this place won't work there.

Then we need to find our niche. I also have no problems with the users of that board coming to us, nobody should have. It's those subreddits' moderation teams that are shitting it up for everyone.

Yeah, and we need to do that too. We also don't, our level of discourse is shit.


I don't own /r/leftypol, I was just asking what was up with it. I don't even have a Reddit account.

Yeah worked fucking well now didn't it. Democratically couping a subreddit that forever stays in the hand of the founder is not a smart idea. It's Reddit, not the real world and all your crying won't change a thing. Best case scenario the owner nukes the subreddit and you have to start over again anyhow.

What have you done, faggot? It brought you here and diminished their legitimacy by revealing they never had any intention of implementing the promised democratic structure, and your lot continue to make the board worse day by day so I guess you're right, all it did was make everything worse (for us). Sorry for trying to help you remove the insufferable moderators for your benefit, you ungrateful cunt.

Mate I've been on Holla Forums before the Reddit drama. Stop being so retarded.

we already have a "why hate reddit" thread, before mods delete your thread can you quickly summarize in a single sentence why you couldn't just comment in the other thread?

because I don't want to know why people hate Reddit (I know why), I want to organize

organize what?
"we want to organize mutual masturbation orgies" is not a reason to create a thread.

ok thanks mister quality inspector for your input

A lot of Reddit users would be open to leftist ideas and most users are also anti-idpol. That sub could be used effectively to start a brocialist movement and guide the growing anti-capitalist trend in the US. Idk how to carry out any of these fancy computer tricks but we should start posting content on the sub and making it active.

No we shouldn't, you stupid nigger.

what the fuck are you even talking about, any promising leftist movement on reddit will be killed by shills immediately like all previous ones.
have you ever actually been on reddit?

go read the "why is reddit shit" thread

pick one and one only

fucking plebbit shill kys

honestly internet wars are really not worth fighting. I think there's a tendency here to mimic the alt right because we're an internet political group and we already have the beginnings of the sort of niche-ingroup spreading propaganda memes thing that the 4chan reactionaries had in their infancy.

That said, I think we should keep their accomplishments in perspective. The alt-right has accomplished very little outside of the internet (>inb4 they elected Donald ←if you think this you're retarded). I'm honestly not sure how much good trying to appeal to redditors will be, especially since the best case scenario is we end up with the same low-quality content sub except now we can say "nigger" without getting banned. I honestly think propaganda memes are much more effective than taking over subreddits and besides, we should be much more focussed on learning and preparing ourselves. That is we should be much more oriented toward a real movement rather than spreading some internet counterculture.

we should definitely start spreading our propaganda to reddit.

I think it's a smart idea. I think the best thing to do is focus on a rejection of identity politics and subvert the rejection of identity politics to mean by definition an acception of socialism.

The reason for this is simple:
1) it creates us a userbase completely detached from r/socialism and their crowd.
2) it's a VERY popular opinion at the moment, we can harness that.
3) it's a targeted goal

Example posts can be all of our anti idpol memes. If we can get those to an audience, it's a simple case of hook line and sinker to radicalise.

This sadly isn't the case anymore.

As someone who debates politics on main plebbit boards daily, the site has now mostly swung to a center-right Blairite/Hillbot position.

The main thing is people on Reddit fucking circlejerk like crazy over being "rational" so they basically eat whatever shit the mainstream media and establishment are saying 1:1. Especially with Trump they've now accepted that "Clinton was actually good" and with Corbyn's Labour being a failure, they all now buy into "Left isn't pragmatic" bullshit.

Honestly, we should create our own echochamber board. The /r/chapotraphouse board is already pretty leftypolly. What we should do is literally brigade and completely take over /r/politicaldiscussion.

Honestly, we should not create our own echochamber board*

Also we should take over /r/politicaldiscussion just for the lulz anyway considering it didn't earn it's nickname /r/Clinton for no reason.

I don't care what goes on on reddit. I DO care when reddit shits up this board complaining about general imageboard culture.

i've been using it for 5 years not and it has become unironically more autistic than chans.

But what about the fucking quality of the board ? Do any of you even realize how significant the discussion quality had dropped ever since the Reddit immigration ? Look at the threads in the cataloq we have now compare to 6-12 months ago.

You are either communist organizers who can work on ANY MEDIA PLATFORM or LARPing l33t anonymouses from 2005, pick one.

maybe it's just probation period for plebbitors to read fucking books.

Which is why we don't advertise this place like Holla Forums sometimes would on /r/The_Donald.

You can't take over /r/politicaldiscussion, I think. The mods there are Hillary shills and will moderate anything away that goes against their consensus. I would still like to do it though, would be funny.


Yes, I realize. Also didn't help that Holla Forums got angsty as a response to our board growing and decided to false flag it up in here even more than usual.


Holla Forums can do this because they have strong moderation and ban anything that doesn't fit the narrative. If you speak out against the board, you're going to get banned for being a shill.

Now, I'll say this as the creator of that petition that got some headway a couple weeks back. I was always the first to say unashamedly that Reddit is where I came from and how I found this place. And I was always quick to say that it can be saved, that we *had to save it* because there were so many on the fence Bernie people ready to be converted, if only they didn't have the Stalinist /r/socialism there to turn them completely the fuck off and confirm every red scare they've ever had. I still believe that only if /r/socialism became truly democratic those mods would be upended and socialism on reddit would be saved.

But I've given up on that. /r/socialism will never change. But OP, I agree. We should all take a greater interest in reviving /r/leftypol and offering a real challenge to those fucking Stalinists at /r/latestagecapitalism and /r/socialism. Learn from them, obviously they are successful in some respects especially LSC with becoming somewhat of a popular subreddit due to their use of memes (many of the memes are leftypol memes). OP is completely right, reddit has potential but I was wrong thinking that /r/socialism was the gateway to unlocking it. We would be doing a disservice by leaving it as it as. I'm with you OP.

All you dummies sitting out there instinctively going "hurr reddit go away", please do continue putting chan culture above actual socialist action. Reddit sure is a shit platform and their shit voting system does create echo chambers. Doesn't mean it wouldn't be a good thing for socialism's spread to subvert the fuck out of them. People already know that PR firms shill the shit out of their platform. Time for the communists, the real ones who aren't trying to fracture the shit out of people with idpol to do some of their own. The capitalists have given us the tools, we should use them.

Pic related: LSC banning me for seeing issues from more than one side.

make a sub of porkie memes and get bernie guys on board

Good job.

more like

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Please tell me this is just a fucking joke.

>"guys stop putting chan culture above REAL SOCIALIST ACTION"

That why you make the sub explicitly anti-idpol.

"This sub is intended for socialist discussion, perspectives and memes. Discussing anti-racism, anti-sexism and other forms of capitalist oppression is allowed, but must be tackled from a Marxist, materialist perspective – liberal identity politics are not tolerated."

Underrated post.

Women trend farther to the left, and they just plain dig pictures more. So why not something like Pinterest? Back during GG we tried moving in there but didn't read the TOS and lewdposting blew everyone up, however since then they've laxed back a bit due to the growing BDSM and fashion communities.
You could do srs discussion here, memes resulting from them over there, or something similar to that.
I'd actually tried to get Holla Forums over there because I knew anything that took off would totally shrek Clinton's numbers in the big cities, but they just didn't care for the platform.
Think of it like "slightly more intelligent instagram" but also not needing mobileshit to get on there.
What does plebbit lack?
pictures
So how would you get around openly stating a hostile position?
make the image your OP but pretend to not be totally for it
Imgur's gone, on that note, I've poked around. They've banned almost all the berners over the past few months. So rather than have a 100% hostile and interlinked-to-plebbit 'community' to deal with, you could use Pinterest to post your images to subs without exposing yourself as the initial poster.
On a similar note, funnyjunk's like 85% T_D but you can build lists and groups there too, and they rarely ever cross over. So you could build a small nest there to use as a mini-pin.
Basically, taking over reddit by using reddit is a stupid idea, especially when you already know the entire administration is against you!

But subverting reddit, now we're getting somewhere.

Run it like a real revolution. Stage your attacks from "neutral" territory.
The worst that can happen is they simply ban all non-imgur hosts, which would lead to eventual site suicide, which gets plebbit out of the way as a problem anyway.
of course, it doesn't have to be pinterest, but that's crosslinked through many other normie areas like twitter and facebook (heck, if you hit share on most sites it's one of the options), and is fully supported by some tabloid news sites (hover over the pictures at dailymail for example), so making a start there would begin making the largest and fastest impact short of building and shilling an anti-imgur.

Communalism is a contemporarily relevant philosophy, which the interest in is growing daily due to the Rojava Revolution.

/r/Communalists walks the fine line between what is popular among the mainstream "left", while at the same time explicitly rejecting identity politics. If we could get more people to come over to the ideas of this tendency, we could recover the coherence of the Old Left.