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Nice ellipses did they teach you that at reddit :^)

Advocating for socialism can get you arrested in a lot of places. We should probably ban that, too.

Holla Forums is infected with bourgeois morality

If anything, historically, pedophilia has been something that the bourgeoisie indulge in

Listen to this historically illiterate faggot. The modern definition of pedophilia as "anything America doesn't like" didn't exist until 100 years ago.

Banging qt3.14 teen virgin girls is something the current bourgeoisie have reserved for themselves exclusively while denying the right to others. And if people like you are in power, you'll do the same thing.

Historically the peasants/serfs/proles used to marry very young to start having as much kids as possible because more kids meant more hands helping with work.

This is exactly what happened to the reddit leftists, until the slippery slope arrived at 'catgirls or not worshipping liberal feminists is an instant ban'.

If we ban actual pedophiles like most boards do how quick do we travel the slippery slope before I get banned for constantly posting about the topic non stop

Pedos shouldn't be banned, they should be shot on sight. You're lucky society still pretends enough to care that you can peddle this garbage in public.

Daily fucking reminder that pedofags decided to constantly and relentlessly spam all of the major boards when they didn't get their own way.

Kick 'em out.

Holla Forums's main problem atm is indeed unmoderated thread creation, not shitposts within those threads.

Slippery slope is only possible if the ban reason can't be generalized and applied coherently, this is why i'm asking about the essence of the reason behind the "pedo/hebe-ban" to be consistent in further application and prevent a "slippery slope".

If it's "disgust at something common sense dictates as acceptable", which is very vaguely formulated, then we really should just go ahead and put an end to Holla Forumss shitposting altogether.

*unacceptable
of course

Image boards are fucking dead, Jesus Christ.
If you like being a sheep and being around another sheep that pat themselves on the back and just mindlessly reinforce whatever moralfaggotry was imposed by the high sheep council a.k.a society then why don't you just like, fuck off? you have the entire internet to be a stupid mindless moralfag and not be bothered by anything that might trigger your fee fees, so seriously go be a moralfag somewhere else. Banning people just because their opinions trigger you it's fucking ridiculous.

The main principle as far as I'm concerned is to put an end to the liberal shit from Holla Forums, /r, /v, Huffing Post, CNN, Breitfart, wherever, whatever. There is no or negative chaos magick in supporting liberalism.

You aren't welcome where you're not welcome. Kill yourself, liberal.

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It is in my egoists desires to live in a world where children are free of exploitation

what now, pedofags

They're fascists. That's what fascists do. They can't tolerate any dissent anywhere. Tankies and Nazis are basically the same thing.

It's in my egoist desire to live in a world where you're required to produce science-based definitions of terms like "exploitation" so that we don't have a society with a tyrannical government that slaps some arbitrarily-defined label on anything they don't like as an excuse to oppress people. Like this asshole, for instance:

Kill yourself, fascist.

This is called Leftist Politically Incorrect, not Leftist torture chamber. I'd like to think we aspire to debating and refuting shitty opinions instead of just banning them.

The only issue is making sure this isn't Holla Forums. Pedophilia does have a political character and should stay. If they're spamming the board you should defend the anti-spam/flooding rule like you would for any other topic.

nice, but my ego>your ego

you might want to get the fedora flap out of your eyes

Git out faggot.

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style never goes out of fashion

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Anti-intellectualism has never been a good style.

this

dammit mods just ban pedophiles this shouldn't have to be a discussion

How is it possible to be this unable to detect sarcasm?

You sound like a fucking goon faggot

It's hilarious how these moralfags get triggered so much over mere words, and yet they somehow think they have the fortitude to pull off a revolution.

intellectuals in Greece had relationships with boys along with their spouses. nobility married teenagers. I don't give a fuck what the modern day notions of pedophilia is, i'm just saying it isn't a "bourgeoisie morality" because the bourgeoisie engaged in it

They were both young in these instances. That's different

we're all goon faggots, get used to it.

and yet triggered pedos make fifty posts a day about muh consent laws, muh lolils, muh kink shaming, muh heebo,

We get it you want to fuck kids. No line up and prepare for the bullet.

LMAO

it became hip again when people started to think they were right if they mentioned science enough

So did commoners. The nobility ate food, so maybe you should stop doing that too. In fact, please stop doing that immediately.

Now you see, this is where it gets interesting. You people always say teens can't understand the consequences of sex, but then turn around and say it's fine when it's between two teens. Here's where you run into a problem: It's still sex either way and therefore the consequences are the same in both cases. So in order to be consistent, you either have to say you want to ban all sex below a certain age, or agree with us. Of course, you won't, because you've never been consistent before, so why would you suddenly start now?

If you want to LARP about a mass execution you'll never be able to do because you're a pasty-faced cheeto-dust-covered armchair revolutionary, you should probably go to Holla Forums. They love that sort of thing.

That's been a problem for the right and the left lately. You've got people like Sargon and the rest of the YouTube "rational" clique vomiting out idiocy on an almost daily basis. But just because there are pseudo-intellectuals out there doesn't give you license to just advocate any restrictions you like with no proof for their necessity and expect not to be called out for said lack of proof.

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Better to larp being a revolutionary than to be a real life pedo. Also I don't eat cheese.

Wanna hear something wild? I play Grand Theft Auto, but that doesn't mean I should want and be able to shoot random people on the street. So maybe, just become someone masturbates to adults, it doesn't mean that they should have sex with them or even wants to. Fucking wild man. It's like your logic was fucking stupid.

No. I don't have to say that. That's a false dilemma. You all claim that power struggles between children and adults are a spook and a product of society, but I don't agree with that. I believe the power structures between adults and children are instinctual and an adult will always hold a massive amount of power over a kid. Two kids don't have that. They're on equal ground.
I don't care how mature you think the person is, they are going to look to you for guidance instinctually and you will have the power to coerce them to do things they may regret later. It isn't liberating, it's imprisonment to someone else

what the fuck

Also, the bit about teens not understanding the consequences of sex. Most of us don't say that. We say they don't understand the consequences of being with someone much older than them

Let's make one small change to this and see if that will help you understand.
>nobody has a problem with a 13 year old girl masturbating to pornography
>but if the girl were to fuck the porn star she was masturbating to, everyone loses their shit
LMAO

Did you just compare a teen having sex with an adult to shooting somebody and stealing their car?

Well then, let's ban relationships between rich people and poor people too. There's a much more massive power disparity between rich and poor than there is between an adult and a teen in the same economic class.

You've failed to specify any difference between the two every time you've been asked. You've got nothing.

Sounds pretty sexist to me tbh fam.

Well it's not like she can watch porn with 13 year olds, my man. And there are so many fucked up genres of porn that I could use to refute why just because you fap to it doesn't mean you should do it. Logic sucks

Lol I do every time but you have fucking Stirner so far up your ass that you will listen to absolutely nothing. Stop projecting a lack of support. Let me ask you this. Why are you for dating children? What about them specifically gets you?

No, but people usually see it that way, and if you say some "kid" is masturbating to porn most people will think "boy". Try reading the context.

Read the context my man.

I don't think I've ever seen someone on this board engage in this level of historical revisionism, not even Holla Forumsacks. Name some right now if you actually have any, and do try to avoid using any more double standards than you've already used.

If someone could explain to me how discussion of the age of consent will lead to the liberation of the proletariat, then I would be all ears.

t. mod

Answer my questions, I want to know what specifically you like about teenagers. You already know my basis of support. Yours is as abstract as mine. Just because someone is sexually prepared for sex doesn't mean they're cognitively prepared for someone with more maturity than them.

It removes a boogeyman that the capitalists can use to smear socialists with. You know that the capitalist media is dishonest and will manufacture wrongdoing if they can't find any. If socialists started making major headway, you can expect the porkies to scream pedo to try and stifle change.

13 year olds arent children, they're teens. Is one of the mods a helicopter parent?

THIS

Arguing why it's OK to fuck kids isn't going to help de-boogeyman pedos. If that's what you want, then try explaining why pedo =/= child molester.

Bullshit. You said I was projecting a lack of support, so I challenged you to prove it, and this response proves that you can't.

They're cuter, sweeter and have less unwarranted self-importance than adult Western women.

And there's that unwarranted self-importance. You don't have more maturity than anyone.

Has even one person in this thread argued to be allowed to have sex with anything that's biologically defined as a child?

This board's relationship with pedo discussions goes beyond this thread you snake, but here

Hey do you have a learning disability? II showed my evidence. Now where's yours besides MUH PUBERTY
Sounds like you have the exact fetish I thought. Getting off on innocence. That's fucking spooky and something a serial killer does

No gulag 4 you.

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Cool. We are literally reddit now. Thought this place would be fucking different, but I guess imageboards going to shit is universal. Always thought BO understood imageboard culture, but maybe not. Not to defend pedos, but arguing about that shit hasn't been considered an issue until newfags invited reddit to shit up the place. Maybe bunkerchan or some other shithole will step up, but I'm not holding my breath.

NEWFAGS WHO DON'T REMEMBER THE GREEK EUROZONE CRISIS GET OUT

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PEDOPHILIA IS NOT EMANCIPATORY

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EVERYBODY WHO ISN'T TALKING ABOUT POLITICS AND ECONOMICS GET OUT

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It won't, but arguing about that shit wasn't a problem until reddit invaded the board.

Go back to junior high. The students there know more about biology than you.

Damn, you're so desperate to fool people into believing your garbage that you're actually gaslighting people to try to make them see evidence that you didn't post. Sorry, but two and two will never make five.

mods pls ban.

Are you going to tell your therapist that I'm mentally abusing you now?

Should ban tankies and nazbols too if being a retard is enough for a ban.

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I regret to inform you that this is a torposter

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Looking at your posts is more mentally abusive than any adult/teen relationship could ever possibly be.

Agreed with
MODS PLEASE BAN

You've literally proven nothing wrong. You just autistically screech, "Yeah well everything's made up and morality doesn't matter." It's like I'm in some fresh hell of philosophy 101 and there is one student who learned about existentialism and egoism and won't shut up about it.

On the contrary, I'm a big believer in having a solid moral foundation for society. I simply don't agree with the foundation you've chosen to use, because your foundation is made out of mindless, drug-warrior-tier moral panicking.

The drug war was used to persecute the poor, kill them, and throw them in jail. Me not wanting adults to have sex with children literally only hurts pedophiles and I don't care about them

ftfy. Your freeze peach is much less important at a grand scale than the destruction of liberalism and all who believe in that shit. Hold your wee-wee for a month or three so that the board stays well away from the various forces that, if you haven't been paying attention, are authorized to eavesdrop on much more of the Internet than they were just three months ago. fucking autist in here trying to get us all killed

You sound like a liberal infil. Into this un/comfy/ ditch with you.

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sorry

You're still going with the "teens are innocent, helpless little darlings who need me to tell them what to do or they'll destroy their own lives" thing. You're persistent, if nothing else.

If that's your standard for when laws need to be struck down, then you might as well advocate for getting rid of all laws, because the law under capitalism is just a cudgel for the rich to smite the poor with. They don't follow any of their own laws.

And as long as we're talking about this, where exactly do you think the current American AoC laws came from? Do you think they're somehow exempt from the same government corruption that's created every other ridiculous law?

Freeze peach is a literal reddit-tier meme. You could at least try to hide it. Wasn't even arguing for free speech. Discussion of taboo topics like this are part of what makes imageboards a good place to talk. You're supposed to get exposed to disgusting or otherwise disturbing posts because they can challenge you and make you think. If you're this triggered by one retarded pedo I don't know how long you're going to last here anyway. This discussion shouldn't be a problem here if we're also letting nazbols, socdems, and other reactionaries post and recruit.

Honestly you come across more a like a liberal. Been shitposting about politics starting on revleft more than a decade ago. Swore it off after getting banned and spent my time on Holla Forums and later /a/. Part of the reason I like Holla Forums and stuck around is because people don't get banned for unpopular opinions. I don't want another torture chamber. I'd recommend ignoring pedofags and eventually their threads will die. Usually the topic only crops up a few times a year in individual threads without much fuss.

I never said they're innocent, but the people who want to be with them definitely see them that way and get off on it. They're inexperienced. They may be able to sense the predatory nature of a relationship with a weird dynamic, but if they still go through with trying to pursue it, the adult is supposed to reject them. It is unhealthy for both mentally.

The laws are arbitrary. I just don't want age gaps that are gigantic and spanning over stages of cognitive development. I could care less if a 19 year old and a 17 year old are together. Or an 18 year old and a 15 year old. They only serve as a useful cut off, so creeps don't prey on them in high school while they're trying to figure what they're going to do with their lives afterwards. I agree legal definitions of adulthood are asinine, but that doesn't mean I think being 15 years older than someone is arbitrary.

How the hell is it any of your business what anyone else gets off on if you can't prove that any harm is being done?

Who the fuck are you to decide how other people should conduct their relationships?

That's absurd. You're saying "kids" don't manipulate each other, especially highschoolers. A 17 YO jock is just as capable of taking advantage of a 15 YO nerd as a 25 YO is.
As do many people in relationships. I've rarely seen a relationship that was actually equal and didn't have significant gaps in intelligence or experience.
It's not coercion if there's no actual power involved.
That's the individual's choice to make, not you and not legislators in some city far away.

Btw, stop calling teenager's kids, it was offensive to me when I was a minor and it's offensive to many others who should be able to live their life how they like without some authoritarian moralist telling them what's best for them.

They're kids. I called myself a kid until I was 22. I will continue to call them kids because it makes heebie jeebies uncomfortable and it's what they are

Also, what are you some fucking sjw, policing my language? I'm not denying them agency by calling them kids. The only people I'm being authoritarian to are old creeps who want to have relationships with 13 year olds. 13 year olds don't actively look for 35 year old men who browse imageboards just so you know.

Getting off on innocencerequires destroying said innocence in demeaning and controlling ways that involve abusive power structures. Between consenting adults, roleplay with BDSM in this aspect is fine, but when the innocence or what it really is inexperience is genuine, it is always abuse

1) Your definition of innocence is flawed. Merely being inexperienced doesn't mean you don't know anything, and someone who waits until they're 25 to have sex isn't going to be any less inexperienced than a teen. Teens are hotter and more energetic, though.

2) Do you have a single fact to back that up?

You should call yourself a kid now. You haven't evolved past the "moral policeman" stage of the Konigsberg scale.

I mean inexperienced as a person. Jesus Christ why do you guys care about sex so much and not cognitive development. I mean you even sited Kohlberg, but you clearly haven't progressed passed the stage of "How can I avoid punishment?"

Really interesting that you somehow twisted a theory used by educational psychologists to advocate for pedophilia though.

It's been explained time and time again.

Fucking kids screws with their heads.
It's an objective nono.

What planet are you on?

Social media is becoming dead. I merely use it to clarify news nowadays.

Both the extreme left and right are fucking impractical and retarded. Time to go outside and have a social life methinks.

If they weren't banned the memes would gain traction.

We're just tired of sexual exploitation of women. Now we've chased the rabbit down the whole, we just want it to fucking end.

The other talking points are fair game. There's not that much of an immediate threat.
Personally the distinction between right and left is disappearing. I personally hate both. I think we should aim for pragmatism and flexibility and new constructs of thinking.

Well, it's frowned upon.. Might mess with their brain development.

Quoting a version of this post edited for clarity.

And no, you've blindly asserted this without providing any proof time and again. That's not the same thing as explaining it.

The "sex isn't in a vacuum" argument actually works against you, not for you. Other factors surrounding sex don't have to be factors that would make a sexual relationship between two people exploitative. These factors could just as easily act as a balancer instead, just as they do in many other types of relationships.

This coming from the side that compared adult/teen sex to LARPing GTA with live weapons.

sex by itself is balanced, the other things added on is what makes it exploitive. how could social implications ever make something nonexploitive?

Just because you're incapable of not projecting your own feelings of immaturity onto them doesn't mean they're kids. If anything they remain as kids because that's how they're treated, and that's what there's manchildren in their mid-20s acting like they never left highschool. Unless you expect agency and maturity from them and allow them to have it, they'll never stop being a kid.
And here I thought heebs were actually pedos and go off on children.
No, I'm saying it's insulting and dehumanizing to call an individual a "kid" when "kid" implies a lower level of personhood.
That's exactly what you're doing. You're saying they shouldn't be allowed to determine their relationships like all other adults.
No one's advocating for adults forcing themselves onto minors, so that's irrelevant.
No, but teenagers, especially girls, are attracted to older people, and they're being being told they're too stupid to make their own choices and if they tried to then their partner will be punished and then called a pedophile. It's inherently oppressive and dehumanizing. It's like telling women they aren't capable of deciding their own husband, doing everything in your power to prevent them from trying, and if they manage to have a relationship with a man then that man will be punished for taking advantage of the weaker, dumber sex.

You want to ba someone for understanding biology? What the fuck?

my fucking sides

Link me to petitions or groups by young people wanting to legalize their relationships with older men. Prove to me it isn't only older people who want the AoC lowered. Also fuck everything else you said because it was honestly just a huge fart noise of virtue signaling from a group of people that told me i'm morally authoritarian

leftypol gives this board a bad rep

I don't care if pedos get banned since pedo excusers are extremely annoying, but I don't get BO's stance on banning this, while so many other shitposters from Holla Forums are allowed to roam free – it is inconsequential. Either you ban what is detrimental to discussion or you do not.

By mitigating the impact of differentials in physical strength, experience or other things. By your logic, because males are generally stronger than females, they have an inherent power advantage over women and thus all sex is rape. However, in the real world, there are more factors than just physical strength. The first time the bow was invented, women gained a great deal of counter-leverage because an arrow will kill you just as dead whether it's shot by a grandma or a bodybuilder. The gun amplified this even further. Now we have social institutions designed to inform and protect people against hazards. Unfortunately many of those institutions have been corrupted into tools of authoritarianism, but the concept is there.

It's very difficult to find a perfectly balanced relationship of any sort, whether it be among family, friends or co-workers. Even in a socialist workplace, some people would be better qualified than others to do certain jobs. The entire concept of democracy is an attempt at creating an institution to mitigate the power of feudal warlords. In theory, if you don't like the president, you can just vote them out. Now the system has been subverted by corporate power, but that's because there weren't sufficient safeguards built in. What you want to do is the equivalent of throwing out democracy because it might be subverted (or because, as in this case, you don't think the people can govern themselves) instead of just creating a better version of democracy.

What do you expect them to do, dox everyone who signed the petition? I bet you'd like that, wouldn't you.

Most teenagers don't give a shit about the law, they'll ignore it rather than trying to change it, since they can't anyway since they don't have franchise. I'm not sure why it's relevant, considering that says nothing about how many teenagers illegally date adults, and obviously if they were they'd prefer for it not to be illegal.
Almost everyone involved in politics is an adult. And it's irrelevant considering it's about allowing people to give consent, not about allowing adults to rape minors.

Not all the leftists here are against lolicon…

Is it that hard to find young activists and articles in the information age? Not really.

Students? What the fuck are you talking about?

First was for

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Last time I was in one of these threads another wildcat flag poster with a very similar style of writing to yours mentioned how they snitch on their students when they date an adult.

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So you spend most of your time on a forum dedicated to leftist theory, arguing about the age of consent? Dude we have the perfect forum for you >>Holla Forums

pedo bullshit constantly derails threads so I would argue it's pretty detrimental

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Wouldn't be surprised if it was the same person. Sounds like something every terrible teacher I've ever had would do to people only a few years apart because they're mad jelly.

what was i even backpedaling from? you accusing me of being someone i was not because it's unheard of that not condoning pedophilia is a popular opinion?

what a faggot

Come of dude (I know you're a girl tho), either you're the same person or there's an exact clone of you also posting here. Same timezone too because this is the second fucking time I've been enveloped in this argument with you instead of reading some Heinlein which I usually do at about this time.

This pepe is what I should be doing right now.

THIS JUST IN

NEW TIES UNCOVERED BETWEEN NAZI HATE SYMBOL PEPE AND PEDOPHILIA ADVOCACY

no. i'm not. go read faggot. i'm drunk and need to go to bed anyway

I'M TAKING IT BACK.

You know, I could always ease some of that resentment you feel towards your students and make you feel desired. I like all kinds ;)

what's wild to me is you shat on me for calling teenager kids, but you somehow think i must be a woman because i'm so horrible for shitting on you for being a pedophile who wants to diddle teenage girls because you're chronically unlikeable amongst your own age group.
i'll tell you this much my dude and why I speak with so much conviction about the topic and I didn't wanna bring it up bc you aspies get all fcked up about anecdotes. I like cock but it's because i'm queer as shit and not because i'm a chick. and when I was young older gay men tried to take advantage of me. it still happens on dating apps from like 50 year olds and i'm 25. y'all just want a fleshlight with a heartbeat to be perfectly honest. it has nothing to do with love or liberation. purely selfish. also your taste in sci fi is shit tier

Nah, you just have a writing special typically unique to women.
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Yes, people tend to try to take advantage of people they think they can. The AoC does nothing about that, because not only does it not teach people how to not be taken advantage of, it's also useless because no teenager who is going to date an adult is going to let an authority figure know, along with because of the law the only adults obviously interested in a teenager will typically be manipulative people because normal people tend to not want to get involved in something that can put them in prison.
If that was true, then there's no laws preventing men from going after dumb, easily manipulated adult women, which happens but which no one cares about.
That's just rude and unnecessary.

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My guess: the topic is burned for the moment. As soon as all the manufactured controversy dies down, discussion will open up again.