Stealth porkies

Ever notice how "professional class" proles, like programmers, are all indoctrinated in petite-bourgeois ideology? Even though they seem like workers, they act like they have bourgeois interests. Well I think I've figured it out: they're all investing in the stock market. Doesn't this literally make them bourgeois? Is this how porky has kept the system working so long, by getting proles to invest in the system regardless of whether they really profit from it?

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Programmer-in-the-making here, from what used to be the Eastern Bloc. I study my ass off in the hopes that I can have a better life than the average (shitty) life of an uneducated worker. Obviously I'd be pissed if my effort was undone by some commies who figure that the said uneducated worker should get the fruits of my work, and that I should get the gulag, as we have experienced, a "communist revolution" or """"liberation"""" means exactly that. And school was not THAT many years ago that I'd forget how those people I know who ended up doing low-end jobs did so not because some sort of systematic oppression, but because they did not give a shit about their studies.

case in point

What the fuck is this shit?

top kek, deluded codekiddie detected

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It's a good point. Shares are ownership of the MoP. Many companies are entirely owned by shareholders, with good chunks of many being owned by people's pension funds.
Tbh I think the best way to solve this would be starting at the top 10 most wealthy and working your way down until the system caves from self interest (see: not having your head blown off stepping out of your armored limo).

We'll see. The starting salary of programmers in my country is about twice as much as the average salaries of low-end workers. I should be on the right track unless I fail the university, which would be my failure entirely.

Please explain again how they suddenly lose their proletarian card. They have not the political or economic capital of the bourgeois. Saying they are just ebil boogoozee is on the level of "AHHA WELL JOKES ON U COMMIE WORKERS CAN JUST BUY SHARES IN THEIR WORKPLACE!"

Find a better example. According to you, all the leftist, unionized construction workers (which are paid quite decently in my country) are secretly brainwashed right wing agents of the bourgeoisie because of investment, despite still having absolutely no power over politics, economics, the workplace, or their lives as workers, and ==still== having to sell their labor to survive. Owning an extremely small portion that you intend to sell to keep yourself afloat is not owning the means of production. If it was, you could damn well bet that the well paid workers here would have seized their workplaces instead of letting them be shut down.

Babby's first petite bourgeoisie: marxists.org/glossary/terms/p/e.htm#petite-bourgeoisie.

This is a much more accurate way of defining a portion of them, IMO.

OI, you looking for a fucking fight?

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OP I think you broke this user.

same here, comrade. We are one of the last ones who will be able to get pretty good salary as programmers, enjoy it while it lasts. and try to avoid php

not an argument.


owning shares nominally gives you control.

this is their condition in *their* workplace. this is how they have an outward proletarian appearance.

they can have more economic power than other petite-bourgeoisie.

many petite-bourgeoisie depend on bank loans, investors, etc.

What investments are construction workers making? If they're profiting off the stock market, they may be tiny little porkies.

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These faggots who spend 90% of their time engulfed in work with sky high blood pressure and stress hormones coming out of their fucking ears. Still need to take out a huge loan to get a place to live.

"Poor people/strikers/socialists are lazy, I'm a self made man."

No you fucking retard, you are a slave to your employer and to bankers and to whatnot and you're throwing your brothers and sisters under the bus and playing right into the shitty game of the bourgeoisie. Bullets are coming for you, bucko.

I just said the stock market is making workers into porkies. So you're just shitposting by putting words into my mouth.

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Yes of course, there are programmers who aren't making a lot of money, though most of them are likely junior devs. But also yes, the ones who are getting a high wage are investing.

You got us figured out, fam. The whole "workers seizing the means of production" crap was a lie for the masses. All we really wanted to do was throw programmers in the gulag and give their code to manual laborers.

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Of course they're not all right wing, but you can't deny that STEM fields, and particularly tech, trend towards right wing politics more than average.

Most STEM I meet are apolitical.

And you cant deny most humanities people tend to be retarded muh feels liberals/SJW's, and also tend to be petit-bourgoies as fuck.

Actually just wrong across the board
businessinsider.com/charts-show-the-political-bias-of-each-profession-2014-11

this value is useless as fuck

liberal on these charts, based on their methodology, can be taken to mean "not ravenously right wing" which is good enough for the purposes of this discussion.

Wew

"liberal" in the american sense can be right of centre in europe.

But the entire discussion is "are these tech professionals MORE right wing than the average professional"

Turns out the answer is no.

Of course they are not, OP is just yet another faggot who met one autist once and now rags on anyone who studies STEM. We have this thread every week.

The right wing STEM autists are REALLY autistic though. I've had one off facebook who I never even met stuck in my head for years. He would be everywhere, talking about STEM, RW libertarianism, and his autism.

I honestly can't think of a less worthwhile pursuit

Yes they are. The reason why they act that way is because all their life they have had to struggle through life, always feeling worthless, but in STEM their autistic methodological way of thinking fits well with their tasks and they finally feel like they are worth something and make people proud.

This makes them annoying as fuck because it gives them a massive ego boost and never having had confidence they have not learned humility yet, so they think they are better than everyone else, and adopt an ideology that supports their inflated ego, such as ayyn randism.


Also this.

you will NEVER EVER make it

your aspirations of becoming the next mark zuckerberg/bill gates will evaporate and you'll be a wageslave for the rest of your life

Hey man, if you call cops right wing all you'll get out of Holla Forums is resounding applause.

Not really mate.

Give it a minute. Someone will show up saying they all need to be executed the second the revolution happens.

Cops are all right wing too. We should kill them when the revolution comes, along with the programmer types. Not to mention the academics, engineers, people that know blacksmithing or how to operate heavy machinery, and anyone who wears glasses.

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cops really do deserve the bullet though.

And blacksmiths too. Fucking hipsters.

STEM autists in general tend to be lolberts, but the programming/software dev community is already class conscious: GNU, EFF, etc. Stallman's free software paradigm is still considered far superior to permissive cuckery

nice samefaging

AND WHOLE SOCIETY COLLAPSES WITH THEM

bernie 2020
"you cant know poverty if you are white", literal quote from that communist corpse that forgot which side of the berlin wall got jumped

There are people besides programmers who invest in stocks, and plenty of programmers who don't. You just took things and smashed them together like rocks and now think you've come up with something here.

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This is why China and Robots are going to culminate into the burgies making communism for themselves and wipe out 90% of the population.

Lol, weak bait

I was like you 5 years ago. Have fun once you realize that your life is miserable and you were delusional. Your greatest fears will come true.

just going to point out that you're nuts and living in 2003 fox news Iraq war paranoid land
burn this sage and purify the land

Your are bourgeois if and only if you don't need to sell your labor power
Having a privatized pension does not make you porky.

Owning a share is not the same thing as owning a controlling share. The bourgeoisie benefit off of the labour of others via ownership of the means of production whilst performing no productive labour themselves. Therefore, no, they are not bourgoisie. They will never own a controlling share of the means of production, not even a significant share, owing to the actual bourgeoisie.

It's like saying I'm bourgeoisie because I sold my old chairs on Ebay, while not having anything to do with the labour involved. It wouldn't matter how many shares in the chair company I could muster on my wage as a worker, I'd never control any portion of it.