Apple now demands every mobage gachashit on the appstore displays 100% accurate rates for fall lockboxes

Demands, or requires? How can it be verified? Is Apple going to decompile every garbage mobage to check?

Pretty funny and pathetic that companies would rather put up with a million regulations on their microtransactins rather than just make a game without them.

I hope to god they implement no one under 21 can purchase lootboxes thing
That will really fuck some niggas up

i see the addicts getting buttmad about the chance of their fix going away are showing up early this time. The CSGO lotto servers down friendo?

The sooner this cancerous shit goes away the better.

Millennials really don't have the slightest sense of personal responsibility, do they?

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Your hysteria over lootboxes is going to end up with goverment fuckery in video games. Just don't buy the fucking lootboxes if you don't like them. Crying to authorities to get shit banned is exactly what SJWs do.

And get sued.

You know, you don't win if you don't play!
Snake eyes.

and heres the other side of the addicts slippery slope rebuttal. "first they come for my gacha waifus, next muh guns!".

If you dumb motherfuckers didnt buy this shit they wouldnt step in to begin with.

The issue is that because of those millennials, game devs desifn their game to make a profit. Therefore, it fucks other consumers over with cooldowns, cut content, and overpriced DLC.

It's also why we don't have unlockables or cheat codes in gaming anymore.

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Reminder that the only solution is white sharia and thot patrols while also bringing back pre-vatican II Christianity to have a say in government matters.
Race war wouldn't hurt, or a biological weapon that'd annihilate 80% of humanity

First off, the West already does that. Second, if companies can't draw a line for themselves, others will draw a line for them.

You're a retard if you don't think both are to blame.

It's the same thing as heroin. You should blame the people getting addicted and ruining their lives, but that doesn't mean that heroin should be legal, or that people trying to make kids get addicted to something so they can leach all their money away for years isn't horribly nefarious.
The answer here is both. The people getting addicted need to be responsible for themselves, but the people making a business out of cultivating addictions don't have clean hands either.

I don't buy lootboxes you fucking mongoloid, I've never paid for a single microtransaction in my life. If you want to fight lootboxes and gacha shit just use the fucking free market and vote with your wallet instead of crying to papa government to forbid other people playing the games you don't like.

You are an addict who is threatened by the loss of their fix and going nuclear. You need to accept you have a problem.

Take that corporate cock out of your mouth and think for a fucking second.

Nobody's doing that, you fucking retard. Did you even read what's going on here? They want lootboxes to be considered gambling legally and have to abide by the restrictions gambling does. That's it. Fuck your stupid slippery slope, it's nonsense here.
And fuck your "vote with your wallet" shit. "Don't want meth being sold in your neighborhood? Just don't buy it! Why would you get the authorities involved when capitalism can do it?" I'm as capitalist as it gets, but capitalism doesn't work when it comes to addictive behavior, because the consumer can't reason or spend responsibly. There is a real place for legislation in our system.

I don't think you understand what's going on here. Video game companies are trying to get into the casino business without paying the governmob its take. You try to run a gambling ring without paying Big Tony protection money, the IRS breaks your legs. Gambling in video games isn't going to be banned, it's going to be regulated and taxed like gambling.

>>>/suicide/

These companies prey on people with addictive personalities, shill-kun. I have a friend who is utterly addicted to Gachas like Puzzles and Dragons. He doesn't even play the game. He uses a cheat engine to farm his waifus and he is totally addicted. He was completely caught in a web of complete yiddish fuckery because he wanted to play video games.

Like another user said this shit is designed to be as addictive as possible. For example the lootbox in overwatch will sometimes glow the same color as legendary skins for no reason other than to trigger a dopemine rush. It's fucking insidious.

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Reminder the artist who concepted and photographed this image had several outtakes that were stolen and sold on a stock image site

You realize that when Granblue Fantasy obfuscated their drop rates they got sued after autists statistically proved their drop rates were tilted right?

Thats how fucked things are, since the'll still get their shekels and shit bad products. That's the bad you can get in a industry with retarded consumers, normalfags and whales feeding it.

Using the war on drugs as an example of good government intervention? Holy fuck your mental retardation is terminal, that shit only build ultra-rich criminal empires of militarized inhuman sadistic butchers.
You faggots sound like a bunch of feminist cunts going "muh patriarchy" after trying to get titties censored.

Idiots have a finite amount of money and kids nowadays are more interested in watching youtubers and their vineshit than gaming

Please leave or try again with actual arguments.

Oh sweet honey child. Its time to open your eyes to the sadness.

RIP Fate GO

Be honest. How much have you spent? Its time is ending and now the healing must begin.

God damn the deflection going on here.

Spendgame Sadboys throw logic out the window when their addiction is put under a microscope. They just need you to shut up, they can quit anytime they want!

The chinks are miles ahead of the rest of the world concerning loot box regulations. archive.is/2Z4HM

What timeline did I just slip into?
Who won ww2?

video games are not a scarce resource, so any market for them is farcical in the first place

I never got gatcha phone games.
I get why it's there, because waifufags want to acquire their waifus or have some form of connection, like ownership to them (reason why pokemon games are popular).
But why the fuck would you bother going through billions of lootboxes just to get her? Even if you get her, what the hell is there to do? Grind? Grinding in a phone game is fucking worse than grinding in a console/pc game.

The simpsons are still on air
Donald Trump is the President
Atari is making a new console
It was always barenstain bears
People hate the new star wars movie
Nintendo is doing better than it has in a decade
Welcome to universe 3928188

It's such a tragedy that no one makes video games that aren't thinly veiled money harvesters anymore.

Please cite the lawsuit. As far as I'm aware, there was a shitstorm of complaints leading Cygames to eventually apologize and issue virtual currency credit in some cases, but that's a far cry from setting a legal precedent.

A by the numbers combination of rng, rarity tiers and lockbox animations to trigger a habit forming dopamine release.

see those banner adds for malware desquised as chinese f2p mmos with "lvl1….lvl30…lvl100!" shit? same thing. Addictive personalities dont demand quality or gameplay. They want rarity and carrots to chase.

Things that are hard to get tend to be more valued. Think of all the skins or mounts in MMOs that look terrible but are shown off because only 0.0001% have them.

Ah gee, I wonder.

That's because elmo sees that fat cuck as food.

Elmo is a good boy that dindu nuffin.

My guess is that they're just depressed, honestly. Who would actually choose digital roulette over the real thing, or any other fucking game really, with friends or other anons?

I thought it was his cat or something. I'm still laughing even though I stopped watching that trash.

A real NEET would weigh those gacha in order in takeout and cheap vidya and write them off as wastes of money compared to waifu figma or some shit.
Micropaycucks and spendgame sadboys are normalfags that want to be part of a herd. Look at CSGO culture.

Addiction is addiction. Kill yourself.

I'd be willing to bet clinical depression is more common in normalfags than NEETs if only because a NEET isn't deluding themselves into thinking they matter.

demand for dope is because the american dream consists of a 60 hour work week and living paycheck to paycheck until you can save up enough to fucking kill yourself.

All addictions start by doing something monumentally stupid and avoidable, which is why nobody cares about addicts. This is the future they chose.

If you don't prevent retards from being fleeced don't be surprised when every company starts butchering their games to fleece retards.
At that point all you can do is change hobbies and hope that your new hobby doesn't get kike and goy infested.

What if they get addicted to drown their troubles?
Such as the millions of guys around the world who drink from morning to night every day.

Before GTA 5 rockstar used to release a new game every year.
After GTA 5 they haven't released a single new game yet but are still able to pay the salaries of thousands of employees. Microtransactions are that big of a money maker.

Japan literally already has laws that regulate virtual gacha rates, and considers it false advertising if they don't. There's no legal precedent to set as it's already illegal. And autists proved the drop rate unbalanced. unwire.hk/2016/01/08/123-6/game-channel/
Have you never heard of a false advertising lawsuits? The reason they avoided the lawsuit going through is they had to rewrite the drop system so that if you make 300 rolls, you get to choose directly one character you want and get it, in addition to accurate rates. Then that autists joining together to make the lawsuit capitalizing on the accurate gambling rate laws dropped the issue. It's also true that Japan has already made one entire time of gacha, konpu gacha, completely illegal in any form whatsoever. archive.is/5s4EX

*type of gacha

Shill or retard?

So is the nips equivalent of modern "art"?

Again, that's their choice. Not my business to tell them what to do with their money, nor is it my place to rescue them from their own stupidity.

So there was no lawsuit, formal complaint, investigation, or judicial action. What happened was that social media had a bitchfit, then Cygames apologized and implemented a system to limit their liabilities in the future. Why then did you say they got sued? That clearly did not happen.

Japan too. Gachas have to display their R/SR/SSR rates and all of that shit. If a game has a form of in-game currency that can't be bought with real world money, it can have secret shit; but otherwise, you have to accurately display everything.

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if dubs the poster that I'm replying to dies a horrible death

Too bad.

whats the rng rate of that drop?

Someone post the "don't you think we are complaining as bad as SJWs?" normal person mask pic.

trips = prediction true

Shitty gatcha rates permeate our entire universe.

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You asked for proof of a legal precedent, it's already a law that was created after this fiasco. Even if the lawsuit did not go through the regulation did.

I asked you to cite the lawsuit you said occurred, you illiterate nigger.

Gambling addiction has been a thing long before millennials, you'd know this if you weren't obviously a millennial yourself.

A large portion of F2P games on mobile are made in China, and you aren't going to sue jack shit in China.

No but the Chinese government will, they've been cracking down on gacha for awhile now.

The Chinese government already requires there to be ways to get items you can get from lootboxes without spending money, that children not be allowed to purchase lootboxes. and a full disclosure of what the items from lootbox does and the rates for getting said item all be clearly displayed. archive.is/2Z4HM

Chinese companies make a profit in Western states without having to show the figures to the glorious Party, who do you think will they pay, the kid in Tolouse who spent a hundred yurops on berries and roulettes or the system that is so great and works so well they kill millions for every misstep?

It's kind of sad when the chinks of all people are more on top of this than Westerners. Then again, the chinks know the Jew.

Nobody over 20 actually thinks the free market is self-regulating by nature. This idea bases itself on people being rational and responsible with their money. Do you think this is the case?

If saving the retards from themselves means I don't end up with Shadow of War tier kikery, then so be it.

The chinks just don't want the jews out-jewing them.

Not three months ago a Destiny 2 player counted pixels on his monitor over the course of a week and compared notes to determine Bungie was lying about XP rates. What makes you think something more popular (Hearthstone, for instance) will undergo less scrutiny?

Only millenials are gambling addicts

Oh boy. What else did millennials do?

Niggers, if you were born prior to 1980s and are still posting here, then you can't act smug.

Millenials are there to look worst than the mongrel memer beaners that is Gen Z.

I don't want to the government messing with my vidya either, but a simple boycott from people who don't even support this shit in first place won't fix anything

not a thing right

Now that's a funny headline.

Your nose is showing. Go get your shekels somewhere else scum.

Holy fuck this.
I've seen both of these headlines now. I mean what the fuck do the high school educated, retired at 65 boomers want? Second and third homes? 4 cars? Fuck enjoy what you got, the Millenials and everyone after them aren't getting shit.

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Fuck off, I don't want gambling in my vidya

Pathetic deflection. Learn to format an OP, faggot

I'm sure you thought that was a clever addition to the conversation and not a meaningless joke of a post

I'm not mad about some retard ruining his life over a terrible mobage, I'm mad about kikes enriching themselves through that and then fucking up other shit. Both of them deserve the oven, but the retards wouldn't matter at all if they didn't enable the existence of the kikes.

Apple are turbo-prudes about their app store. I'm sure they will need to look at everything like they do already.

Take your meds

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Still not going to make mobileshit good. Though hopefully this takes off and kills a big chunk of these shit games.

Lol no people drop THOUSANDS in Granblue.

OY VEY MY E-GAMBLING SHEKELS ARE SLIPPING AWAY BY THE MINUTE
I CAN FEEL THEIR SMELL WEAKENING

Why. I don't understand why they pay money in a shitty free game.

If you're going to try to use words, try learning what they fucking mean first.

Its gonna be a dark future with a whole generation of people with even worse social adaptation and no respect for their own personal privacy.
And not to mention all sorts of retardation from over reliance on phones.

Says the millenial.

nice bait faggot

Says the cuckchanner.

I'm going to need to see your license before I check these dubs

Final Fantasy players are untrustworthy plebeians, nothing new there.

Fearmongering of "goverment fuckery" to defend corporate fuckery, I see. Nice try, democuck. Your fallacy won't work here. "Free market" doesn't cover misleading people on drop rates, and you know it.

Wow, just wow. Incredible that someone even thought of a false trigger like that.

I'm expecting "how millennials killed clickbait style newspaper headlines" next

Wowoo, looks like Apple has our back!

I can't wait to buy an Iphone X now.

Gamers WIN!

It's not all that impressive given that we've had centuries to figure out how people work. Even if it's only roughly that often good enough for con artists and people making addictive video games.

No, because that picture is fucking stupid.

oh shit

People are mega-autistic about this kind of thing. Back when WoW was released Blizzard was intentionally obfuscating practically all the fucking mechanics from aggro to attack tables to proc rates to spell damage coefficients and adamantly refused to be helpful in this regard. It was majorly fucking retarded how hard they were trying to shut down mechanical analysis because they were worried about it disadvantaging the casuals. The playerbase autistically tested all the fucking mechanics and calculated the numbers and behaviors for themselves and then wrote shittons of analyses giving all the numbers anyway.

Gamblers are similarly autistic about their projected odds and charting their actual performance since being lucky and exceeding the projected odds always makes their dicks hard. In today's day and age it's not very hard to have a spreadsheet anyway.

You're taking the individual responsibility approach on this. The government's situation is a bit different, since they notice there are entirely too many retards in the world who will become addicted to gambling and become complete fucking failures and overall worthless detriment to society as a result of it. This is why the government regulates gambling for society's good, because even if you can legitimately blame the individuals for being stupid enough to go down that road, it's still society's problem to have a large population of gambling addicts. You can blame drug addicts for being stupid enough to do drugs too, but you sure as fuck don't want to live in a neighborhood with drug addicts. You know you'll have crazy fuckers stealing shit, being temperamental nutters, and so forth. Gambling addicts are similarly disposed to resort to insane shit to fund their addiction. Even if it's their fault for fucking up their own lives, that doesn't mean their shitty lives should become someone else's problem.

Passing laws to keep this retarded shit under control and out of the hands of retards who will not only ruin their own lives with it but also fuck with the lives of those around them is just doing a favor to society. You can't really claim that this kind of gambling is in actually constructive or helpful for anyone other than the gambling enterprises.

Casinos are legally required to show accurate payout rates and people still literally gamble all day there.

archive.is/YdmD3

Breaking gambling laws is serious shit. These companies aren't big enough to pay their way out of that kind of lawsuit.

You could make a less retarded lie

here

you're stupid

i work as developer for ios
this is how you get your app to store:
1. submit build for apple to review
2. they will most likely reject your build because you forgot some minor detail on one of your pay dialogs
3. submit new build

example: we are scummy corporation and we set subscription to auto-renewal (you have to opt out so you wont get billed when your subscription expires)
apple rejected multiple builds until we placed the autorenewal information in big letters on the pay screen and pay dialog
also they said if we make this shit more they will remove all our company products from the store
apple store is some tight shit and they have complete control over it

Reverse psychology works. But no seriously, that picture is pretty dumb and misused.

where are you from?

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My mom says you're stupid

now imagine the next generation:
the generation born from the late 2000's - early 2010's that grew up using ipads while in diapers, watch Elsa Frozen videos, LPrs, spend their parents credit cards on Brazilian Chink google play store games, and are even more mongrelized than Gen Z memer beaners.

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Besides that you'd have to say goodbye to cryptography, games benefit from RNG in countless ways.

jmtd.net/log/deterministic_doom/

Heck, randomized drops can be enjoyable, but it becomes insidious when real money gets involved, or if the odds aren't balanced such as Diablo II ones in singleplayer.

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I think most people appreciate the little bits of randomness that prevent games from becoming solved like

I for one prefer a damage range to a solid "this is the amount of damage you'll always do no matter what" in almost all kinds of games.

I think that if we see the media hyping up a "war on gambling in video games" is when people should worry about the government taking things too far in that regards but what's going to actually happen is companies are just going to do the bare minimum of what's needed to get past whatever regulation put in place till they can pay off enough lobbyists to slowly go over the line again but this time masked as something else entirely

Ballistics for example are quite demanding for a bot to make heads or tails out of anything, meanwhile it's comparatively easy for Humans.

One thing I forgot to mention but don't feel like redoing my reply.
So you're telling me that Humans only defense from bots is rng bullshittery?
If that's the case "skill" in video games never existed.

and here he is. already trying to sell us strategy guides

Literally and figuratively annuda shoah

There are an infinite number of tiny details that go into firing a gun IRL. To the omniscient it's predictable, but to regular people it is influenced by randomness that is outside their capacity to control, let alone know. RNG is a perfectly acceptable way to model gun accuracy spreads, or whether they strike a critical part of an enemy for example. It's also necessary such as for randomizing item drops. As long as they design it well that the game can't be impossible to win then it's good. Even enjoyable to have luck involved.

On the flip side, purely deterministic games would be boring as shit.

Oh shit did I miss the vote?
I didn't realize we were officiating this.
Brunch is an important part my day and it will make my life much harder if millennials have ruined it.

Yeah you missed the vote. It's too bad how it turned out, but brunch is ruined now. I'm sorry for your loss.

I'd like to interject that you are correct but there's more to it.
It's true that RNG is used as an abstraction of all the factors governing how a bullet will travel once it's fired, much Hit Points are an abstraction of how much punishment someone can take before keeling over.

However, similarly to HP where you have games that instead track individual limbs, organs or different types of damage to each one, you also have other details when firing a gun that could be integrated into the game like overheating, wind direction, weapon condition, ammo used, shooting stance and similar.

The question becomes then "how many variables do you want to give the player?" Give them too few and it's a very basic and simple game. Give them too much and it might require autistic APM or attention to too many details, detracting from the experience.
As with all else, the correct choice is a healthy middle ground (depending on the type of game you are making) where the player has enough variables he can influence so the outcome feels like a consequence of his actions rather than RNG while also not having so many variables that you spend more time computing them than actually firing your gun.

A curious and debatable example of this tends to be JRPG's actually. Despite the heavy usage of RNG in the game, you still know the odds and there are several mechanics to influence those odds. The final outcome has a lot of chance to it but the game still asks you for enough input that you can juggle those odds in your favour.

Losing sight of why we oppose SJWs and the flaws in their way of thinking is a legitimate problem and you're not helping with that kind of simplistic strawman.

Well RNG typically serves to add some unpredictability on top of core mechanics. As the simple example, damage might have a ±% applied but it'd be secondary to major modifiers like weaknesses/resistances, where you're aiming, whether you're using the right weapon for the situation, etc. Generally RNG should be biased towards the middle results too to reduce "streaks" of bad luck, as some later Tetris games do to the piece generator so you don't often get the same piece repeatedly, or find yourself starving for an I-block.

In the context of AI behaviour, some randomness is essential lest you end up with boring predictable enemies, or at least heavily exploitable ones once you understand their triggers. But they need some constraints or you've got average Pokémon trainers.

Absolutely agree on deciding where to draw the line for complexity. Because for a game like SotN there's just too much clutter piled on that has a marginal effect, if any, on top of a game that's too easy. Some of the Classicvanias, despite low randomness, are much tighter designed, and later Metroidvanias do a better job at deciding what's needed too.

Ultimately, like anything in a game, it needs to be a considered inclusion, not just thrown in because it's standard, or expected, or the current "in" thing. That's lazy and part of the reason most AAA games are so bad.

That's not AI. I think you meant "NPC behavior"

No. Fuck you. If gaming becomes worse, either because of an unregulated industry or a regulated one, both will contribute to the quickening of gaming dying.

THIS SHIT'S ONLY GOING TO GET
BETTER BY ONLY GETTING A HELL
OF A LOT WORSE, FIRST

Excuse me? Pokémon battles are AI-controlled and vary in quality depending on the game and the opponent you're fighting. Most wild encounters choose random attacks (no constraints) while most trainers show a bit more strategy than that. The stronger enemies like gym leaders typically use items and super-effective moves where possible, and may even have custom AI behaviour to take advantage of something special about their team such as recovery moves or toxic. That sort of thing. That's on top of the battle randomness but the AI heavily influences the threat.

For a different style of game, well, I already posted that Glue Man video. It sucks. This is a much much better example.

AI in videogames is the part of the code that dictates the decisions that the NPC's choose to do, so even a decision tree is AI.
It's not the classical definition of AI but we aren't talking about classical AIs either, the context is videogames.

mfw

go figure

is it HFCS? If it is, no fucking shit.

ever since Uber came through, I haven't worked on a schedule since. good riddance.

I don't like millennials either, but this image makes me think that they are just smart enough to realize certain ways are dumb, or found frugal alternatives, but everyone needs a scapegoat or nothing will feel okay.

Yes it does. But nothing stops the place it regulates itself to from resembling hell as closely as fuck. Read up on Prisoner's Dilemma, for example.

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There are too many retards to reply to you all and give you all your neurochemical boost. So, assume this post is meant for you, that's right you, you reading this.
Having the government classify video games as gambling is, in fact, government regulation. It's really easy to spot when you note that I said the word "government" right next to the word "classify", plus being that gambling is generally highly regulated (because casinos are basically tax houses, and taxes are only to be paid to the lord of the lash). Pretending that lootbox games being classified as gambling isn't government intervention/regulation is just retarded, it's like pretending you give your money freely to the government, because you're such a good citizen - when in reality they steal it from you under threat of violence.
Furthermore you "video games crash now!!!!!1!1!11!!one!!1!" people have lost your composure. A ship does not need to sink in order to float better, a bird does not need to be buried beneath the ground in order to truly fly. Better games can be made before, after or during bad games are made. Expecting a mythical reset to fix all your issues with the video games industry is just plain illogical. To remind you of your celebration of regulation, simply look at the various industries which are highly regulated by the government. They're stagnant, disgusting and full of political machinations. The Golden Rule dictates that he who has the gold, makes the rules. This is almost explicitly true because he who has the gold can bribe he who makes the rules - despite not being literally who makes the rules. The more the government shows interest in an industry, the more the top players in that industry invest in lawyers and lobbyists. Does that sound like what you want for video games? Do you want a man from your favorite company to be wasting time and money on sucking off politicians to ensure that their company goes under the radar, while their competition is slowly strangled by 'law and order'? Wouldn't you rather they simply … made video games?
That was without mentioning the potential nightmare for small companies and development teams. How can someone make a video game that isn't potentially illegal if they have no idea what is and isn't gambling? Is any randomness gambling? Does it specifically have to be roulette wheels? If so, is God Hand gambling? What about dice? These are questions that may seem simple to answer, but when you start getting the horrible cycle of lobbyists I mentioned earlier, one note-card of rules becomes several hundred thousand pages of regulations. To comply with these, you basically need an army of well-paid lawyers. Meaning start-ups can go fuck themselves - and for what? For the hate of bad companies?
(All that being said, Apple regulating their store has always been a joke and not a very funny one)

You'd seek to destroy these huge corporations and end up empowering them further! (To the detriment of video games, I might add)

Don't listen to this ancapistani, he's retarded.

Free market principles don't work on lootboxes because they aren't subject to traditional laws of supply and demand you fucking idiot, only >1% of the players are responsible for 90% of all income from lootboxes and mtx in all cases.
These types of business practices wouldn't occur period in a healthy free market economy, mostly because they bubble quickly and saturate easily, but we don't have a fucking healthy free market economy, now do we, idiot?
These are two bit kikes trying to profit off of vidya and pump and dump it.
Granted, a crash is exactly what needs to happen, but seeing as mobile hasn't hit saturation point yet, that's still a long way off.

"muh free market" only works if its an actual fucking free market. Which this isn't.
Then again you're probably a corporatist larping as a libertarian.

You can fuck right off to whatever political board you want to discuss the merits of Capitalism\Communism instead of shitting the videogames board by politically charge everything that's debated here.
But I'll give you a free tip: There's more than 2 answer to this problem besides Right and Left. Most people don't give money to the government just because they are good goys or because they are too scared of the consequences. Some just understand what living in society actually entails and think a little bit ahead unlike you. You have as much legitimacy complaining about taxes as you have to say that insurance companies are stealing money from you or that saving money into an account is theft as well.
The consequences for not contributing to society are actually far, far worse than just the police showing up in your house, but you can't see that because you take everything else for granted until you lose it.

So it's no wonder that this is exactly how you see this issue here. That you either have no regulation or you have a Ministry of Gambling dedicated specifically to classify and control what games are considered gambling and what games are even allowed to exist. You only operate on extremes.

Meanwhile, everyone with a functioning brain or simple people that are more concerned about the reality of situation instead of the ideology behind it see that these games are not being made illegal, just regulated. They can still operate like they used to but they have to be more honest about it. In the end, the only thing that's gonna happen is that they can't swindle as easily as before and that's it.
A completely free market is utter shit, ripe for opportunists to take advantage of the market or heavily manipulate it for their own benefit and history is so full of examples of this shit that your ignorance isn't even funny. Nobody is requesting some PEGI system for gambling with some games completely removed from the market nor that gambling and RNG are entirely removed and neither is this law or measure designed for any of that shit.

No regulation is just as bad as no regulation. You need the right amount and that's that.

You're an idiot.
Lootboxes and prizes are what's being discussed here, not game mechanics. And if you think you can boil them down to that, you're also an idiot.
A crit that doubles your damage with a 5% chance is merely a 5% increase in damage over all. Unless the whole game was a single attack, probability and a nice bell curve still applies.

More like digital goods don't work on lootboxes.
You can't have "supply and demand" for something that has infinite supply, to begin with. You can't even gauge how much something costs since it would only be the salary of who made it multiplied by how many hours it took plus the electrical bill, but that's not even close to it's actual value.

There's also the Star Citizen example where people paid full price for JPEGs.
There was no chance, no gambling, they fully well knew exactly what they were paying for and still did!

It amazes me how people are even willing to put up with a game having lootshit. The last thing I want in a game I'm immersed in is a fucking add telling me to buy shit with money.

It's the main reason I stopped playing Planetside 2 actually.
I fucking swear that at any single point in any HUD at all, there's always a flashing icon somewhere related to a way where you can spend real money for some shit.
Because that's just the thing I want, whenever I'm under fire from the oposing faction, a small button reminding me I could buy credits to unlock some hot pink camo for my gun.

The funny thing is that some Devs have been way more successfull at drawing money from my wallet just by being humble and making a good game, which is why I still buy good games.

You fucking idiot we haven't done a single thing. In fact nobody called government to regulate shit. Every normie was just fucking furious at their game being gambling, and guess what Star Wars means there was a lot of normies to do this.
And you try to guilt trip us into stopping doing a thing nobody here did by calling us SJWs.

Well besides people like this guy, but he still doesn't want goverment regulations. He wants in everything to burn in cleansing flame.

Have you ever seen the shit normalfags do? TV, sports, the internet without adblocking, it's all filled with fucking ads. Some people even look forward to advertisements like they are entertainment. I don't like it but I'm not surprised either.

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Nice meme you got there user, can I have some more?

They have loot boxes in mobile games? Well, I don't care about mobile games since I don't play them but I really wish steam did this for pc games.

Yet plenty of people know and understand ballistics (even if they can't actually do the math behind it) and can do godly things with that knowledge.

Stop catering to the lowest common denominator and we might finally get some good games.

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I'd rather use the government to ban the practice altogether. Sorry not everyone is a lolberg like you.

Holy shit kill yourself you fucking cancer.

The government fucking over all lootboxes in videogames would be a good thing you stupid fucking shill. Paying for lootboxes is a retarded cancer that should die. Go fellate a shotgun you retard.

Nigger, the only retards in this thread are the morons like you who let their irrational fear of government overtake any fucking sense of context. Yes, regulating games as gambling would be a government regulation. That's a good thing.

No, you're just a fearmongering retard who thinks a length of verbiage is the same thing as an intelligent argument. There are in fact laws and regulations that are just a single page long. Most of the regulations will probably be "disclose RNG odds you fucking nigger" variety. What constitutes gambling or not will likely boil down to a consumer making a choice where he is led into a state of uncertainty about his return or otherwise engages a random chance mechanic which returns a virtual good. You don't need to slice that into a 1000 pages of confusing text. If your mechanics devolve into e-gambling with real money, you probably deserve to be regulated as a gambling enterprise.

Don't be a legal autist if you don't have what it takes to understand the law. Your ability to be a retard when reading rules and regulations does not justify removing perfectly good laws for fear of your small brain being too confused to do shit. Any videogame developer who is too stupid to understand whether or not his mechanics are gambling was probably too stupid to make a decent game anyhow.

Fuck off soyboy. Grow a pair and take responsibility for your own actions. If you think casinos are tax houses then just don't gamble. It's easy as fuck and also the correct decision to make 100% of the time.

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Why do people shoot heroine in their veins? A lot of folks are susceptible to addiction. Hell my own family has alcoholics so I stay away from drinking.

psychologytoday.com/blog/the-compass-pleasure/201110/video-games-can-activate-the-brains-pleasure-circuits-0

This is just going to make me want to spend more money on my gammes. Now I know it is a 1/1000 chance to win a super elite pokemon, so I need to spend at least a thousand dollars on 1 dollar crates to get it. Thanks apple, it makes planning my financial situation easier to know the odds.

OH YES PLEASE

It's basically them getting angry that they're saving money after they were told to stop spending money on superfluous shit.

If they're effectively double damage, a critical can easily swing an individual fight when it happens, and especially if it's multiple on the same enemy. And as you said, if a champion dies, it has knock-on effects to the entire match, the win condition. Similarly, a single win in a game like Poker is irrelevant. It's always down to long-term stats because any random scrub can roll a royal flush.

Even masters of guns have their limits though.

Nobody likes ratings boards.

I agree with all of your post, but it's kinda neat that cryptocurrencies managed to create digital scarcity: you can't copy a bitcoin.
I wonder if that digital scarcity might lead to any funny ideas.

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You mean anime in general, right?

Developers only lie about things they can get away with if they are caught anyway. They can't get away with this if they are caught.

I wouldn't be surprised if this actually increases player base. When people know odds like this it makes it competitive.

You people are discussing the randomness of players earning money. It's not gambling if you don't have to invest anything. If you are talking about betting on the winners being gambling, well, in horse race betting, there's always a chance the horse you bet on might trip over itself or have a stroke and die and the racetrack. The thing that keeps this from being gambling is the fact that that chance is just a small amount of randomness in a mostly skill based game. That combined with the fact that you are investing on someone else's performance, and not yours, which is removed from the influence of yours and the houses influence.

They rig those all the time by doing something as simple as not letting the horse drink water on race day.
It's not even animal cruelty it just won't have the breath to win the race.

Deluding yourself into thinking you matter is nature's anti-depressant. Everyone smart enough to understand their place in the universe is depressed.

Either way, I doubt they do that to e-sports professionals.

Horse races are barbaric.

Other way around, people without purpose are more susceptible to despair.

Wrong. Bullet always goes where the barrel is pointed. Always. There is no random variations, bullets don't leave the muzzle at an angle. Its muzzle velocity is offset marginally by gunk in the barrel and gunpowder weight. Its direction is then offset by wind and gravity off straight line path mid-flight. Skilled marksman accounts very well for those just by making mental calculations. After the shot the barrel will flex and the gun will thrust and torque. The bullets will still come out exactly in the direction the barrel is pointed. And when it enters the body, it will cause a very specific hydrostatic shockwave cavitation, rupturing very specifically located blood vessels and internal organs in within specific volume. It's just video game programmers are noguns faggots who have absolute zero fucking clue how guns work, so they just think it's random. And the players being faggots of the same magnitude, think that random is indeed how it is.

Which is to say, none of the game mechanics come anywhere close to where things start to actually get random i.e. quantum wave function collapse effects.

I play a waifu mobile phone game with that gacha shit, I enjoy it and I like the artwork. I didnt spend a dime on it because I don't know how to navigate nip sites or how to buy the nip space coins but the only other real reason I play it because I play other games on my PC and play that mobile game on downtimes. I would use my 3ds but those game require too much attention so I can only focus on one game at a time. Also, I would rather spend money on liqour or computer parts than some mobile game that require literally hundreds of hours to be any decent at it.

With all the shit talk going on I still don't get what the end game is supposed to be.
Showing odds for every "loot box" will not stop people with addictions from gambling. People go to casinos knowing full well the mathematical odds.
Or would you rather there be laws that enforce games with these mechanics to be rated 21+, so publishers start doing the same with movies and swear words, where the end products just ends up being even more sanitized and bland than they already make them.

Either way I think the mindset of "fuck the big corporations" has blinded some people to the long term effects of this controversy

It's to make it at least a little more "fair" and clear cut to the players.
Lootshit still sucks and I never partake in playing stuff that has it, but consider that many overly-obsessed players with autistic levels of said obsession go around and actually try the odds, figuring out that shit isn't as advertised. Example right on point was mentioned by .

Just look at Granblue Fantasy's messy story. Loot/gacha games are already predatory enough, but having to publish the actual rates can prevent shit like "Oh hey, in this special weekend X items have Y chance, go ahead and buy more shit, goy!" (when the actual chance is Y/50)

I hope with developers like activision copping massive flak for their actions and their titles and distribution platforms taking their own measures to vet loot boxes, states don't feel that it's necessary or are able to justify whatever ridiculous bills and legislation they try to pass. I think it's pretty rich that they're waiting until now to actually step in, at what point did they decide that this was anti-consumer? Because you'd think the blatant false advertisement, failure to deliver on contracts, and violations of consumer law would have been what pissed off the government but no, it's this. Hell I'll fucking bet that all they're trying to do here when everything is said and done, is get their slice of tax revenue out of it by applying gambling tax law under the guise of dissuading people from doing it.
I hear this thrown around every now and then but never in a conversation I cared about enough to google it, it sounds like the japanese term for a mobile game? What's the correlation between that and this?

I've had to submit an application to the appstore at work. This isn't a trivial thing to lie about and they're already absolute cunts about the whole review process. You might be able to pull a fast one on them, but if somebody pointed out that it seems off apple can pull up the source themselves and check, if they see you're lying, or even smell something fishy, they'll just pull your app from the store and ban/suspend your account.

Pretty much as you said. Contraction of 'mobile' and 'game'. Does not apply to 3DS/Vita/PSP, but strictly to mobile phone/smartphone games.

The correlation is that lootshit and stuff like stamina/fuel/ is a mechanic born in, and common in mobage, which are usually free to play but have MTX as optional 'skip grinding' and 'play with perks' functions.
On console/PC main gaming however, you get AAA games that already costed you $60 or more (for 'shitty dlc included that will be all free in an upcoming Gold/GOTY edition') and yet they still try to gouge more money out of players. In competitive scenes, the hardcore fans outright REEEEEEE at this kind of stuff when the lootshit includes stuff like stat bonuses or special OP weapons since it kills the competitive aspect. Cosmetic crap is popular and liked enough, as TF2 and Overwatch show.
Consoles still have free-to-play but MTX optional games - Warframe being one of them - and it seems to be quite popular. So it can be done, but here comes EA and fucks it all up. Their 'pride and accomplishment' answer not only became reddit's worst rated comment so far, but there are also t-shirts with the phrase… That's how bad it was.

Looks like a bright future.

So, the entire RTS genre basically. As they need to be deterministic and lockstep in order to function online.

Like I said, it's predictable, if you're omniscient and perfect. But no shooter is, you only need to look at olympic-level shooting and archery to see that. There's variations between each shot, and they have time and no other distractions to worry about compared to say, a combat situation in a FPS game. The gun itself matters too, see MoA ratings. Now, no game is going to go full simulate the universe to model something like that, but I'll agree on one thing: They could at least try to model RNG that is reasonably consistent with how guns work.

Doom is deterministic too, its RNG is literally a table of 256 numbers that loops. This means for example you can never get upper and lower damage ranges on the BFG9000. But for individual events there is inherent randomness caused by what is actually calling the RNG in-game, as moving monsters use it, and sometimes it'll only be invoked if a monster can see the player to determine when to fire. It isn't predictable to the player and it's more than adequate for that game.

This is why you be a tertiaryfag, if anything, for most of those types of games.

I prefer "mobile garbage". It's an unfortunate portmanteau.

I'll just say that even though I've seen paid upgrade items in certain games, like in Neptunia, sometimes they are free, and more importantly, the game itself is beatable without them and doesn't constantly nag me about it.

Anyone that's stupid enough to pay for that shit deserve to get screwed.

Except what we are getting banned is p2w gambling being forced on children

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Everyone's purpose is fucking and dying.

Worst case scenario: they ban DLCs & Special editions.

tbh if they banned video games it would be great.
Normalfags would be too scared of the gubbermint, and parents wouldn't let their 12 year olds near them just because they're illegal.
We'd have video games anyway, they would be low budget underground works of love.
It would bring a new golden age to gaming.

Nice strawman, fuckwit. His post clearly was pointing out that you niggers want them to ban games from companies you don't like, or games that have mechanics you don't like - not games in general. In any case you and all of the rest of you government-dick-sucking retards are just so: Retarded.

GOVERNMENT LEAVE!!!! If you fuck with the video games 1776 will commence again!!!!

We've been not buying them for years faggot. It makes jack bit of difference as long as there are a few idiots who go and spend thousands on them regardless of what we do.

I just want lootboxes to be legally defined as gambling worldwide and see all the companies using them sued into oblivion for promoting gambling to children.

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If this helps stop gachashit I'm all for it.

Japan isn't common law you tard. If they already have laws regulating a given activity, that's it. There's no required precedent like there is in common law.

Actually I love ratings boards.

It was the compromise with Christfags. Put a PEGI18 on it and anyththing goes.

Ever visited a pub ever during the day? Nothing but oldies at slot machines.

In addition

You sort of need RNG for games based on risk management. If you knew what the enemy is going to do every time for a turn based tactics game, it destroys a lot of the challenge.

Working real well for censorship aint it!?

The correct way to counter lootboxes and shit is to NOT BUY THEM, giving the goverment any influence over anything is the wrong move.

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Those are millennials in disguise, retard

If only people had the virtue, self-restraint, tastes, and standards to buy good games with good business practices would your ideals work, but instead we have a massive influx of people who have none, thus the most profitable and exploitative business practices were pursued. And unlike the physical world, we can't enact border controls or barriers to prevent such people from entering gaming.

If you still insist on "vote with your wallet", just know that 90% or more of players do not actually buy microtransactions and instead it is a very small percentage of big, addictive spenders (whales).

The principle is not effective anymore if it was ever to begin with.

✡WHY✡ ARE THESE POSTERS NOT BANNED.

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Reported for not even trying to hide your shilling.
Reported, again, for not even trying.

are you 10 my dude

It's better to publicly humiliate than ban you retard.

kill every fag, kike, jew, heeb, yid, kike, and millennial
they're all cancer

I know this is bait but~
They're in their early 30s at minimum…

Oh and reminder Valve are one of the progenitors of this system. The whole hats thing, where they banned people who used the idle tool because it allowed you to beat the system by minimising RNG and without any power cost to yourself. I suspect that's also why they removed the super low graphics console commands so you can't make profit as easily…

Reported.

Mmm, nah. It’s better to actually do something about it, you stupid fucking kike.

Fucking hell stupid niggers, when we post rage threads oves retarded localization and retarded loot boxes the point is to laugh at stupid nigger retards who buy them. You get more games you like by supporting games you like by buying them.

You are doing something about it. Also bans are easily diverted. Stay mad faggot.

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Hey, at least it's something compared to the level of shit in America where blank canvases can get sold for $15 million dollars.

Holy flying shit-eating fuck, you stupid motherfucking kike. You’re supposed to have your first kids in your early 20s. Your kids are going to school before you’re 30. “Millennials” were born after 2001. Don’t fucking accept jewish newspeak and redefinition of words.

That's Gen Z you retard.

Yes goy, embrace the debt.

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Biologically speaking, your early 20s are the best time to have kids, even if it isn't economically feasible for most today

Only women. for men 30 is optimal age.

fuck off reddit stacking faggot.

Yawn.

Yawn.

Yawn.

FINALLY a reply not made by triggered kike shills. This statement is interesting. Why’s that?

Really makes you think.

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Thanks for admitting I’m right. Holy fucking christ, kill yourself. Words have definitions, shlomo.

>trusting (((jewish))) medical science

Take 10 seconds to think about your reply, please.

You're wrong because everyone who speaks about millennials are referring to people born from 1980-2000. They're millennials because their generation ends at the start of the millennium. I realize it might be more intuitive to call the generation that begins with the new millennium, millennials, but that's not how people use the term.

Yeah, well I have higher aspirations than just trying to survive the winter.

Late 20's is perfectly healthy and gives you a much better life.

Jump off a fucking cliff, you pathetic lemming.

Nigger detected. Not only because you have no comprehension of planning for the future, but also because you have no reading comprehension and can’t understand what’s being discussed here.
Thanks for asserting something that no one questioned, you illiterate dumbfuck.

When it comes to language, yes. That's how it fucking works. I can't just claim "OOGA BOOGA" means molecule, because it doesn't.

That's just what (((they))) want you to think.

This is what soygamers are saying.
Just don't give your credit card to kids and don't play games with lootshits.

has this EVER been true?

Having kids before you're financially stable is what I'd call "no comprehension of planning for the future."

ay fam hold my beer
seriously, how retarded can they be

Granblue and all other mobage should be banned from the board.

For fuck’s sake.

Thanks for admitting ‘millennial’ doesn’t mean what jews say it means.

It's a self-defeating proposition. A totally free market is only viable if you make the assumption that people are rational actors looking out for their best interests. They are not. They are, by and large, ignorant consumer sheep who follow brands and trends because they either do not have the time, motivation, or willpower to research for themselves or exercise any sort of purchasing principles.

The free market is little more than an evolving machine that generates money by finding ever new and innovative ways of shaving the flesh of it's consumers ever closer to the bone. There is no concern for quality, safety, health, or civic responsibility. Just profit at any cost.

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Bullshit.

Millennial Pride World Wide

40 is pretty far off from late 20s, user.

And pretending there's no problem and trying to play down controversy when an egregious breach of ethics is being committed by an entity (((they))) benefit from is also what SJWs do.

30 is the start of the danger zone for women, user.

Japan already had gacha laws for accurate drop rates for years, as did China. This will only affect western mobile games and will not touch the weeb market as the US has nothing close to the Japanese or Chinese laws on the matter at this time.

Even better: Divide the amount of gatcha rolls the minimum increment of paid ingame currency gets you with the price for an effective price per roll. Make prices be reported reported as price_per_roll * (1/chance). For a game where it costs $5 to buy monopoly money for 2.5 lootboxes thus essentially costing $2 per roll, the effective price for a 1/10000 rarity item would be reported as $20,000. The lance Saber would be $38,129.

Using the equation you gave the average cost to get a Titty Arturia is 122.5$ if you do the least efficient route. And drops down to 69$ if you buy in bulk at most efficient dollar to roll exchange. Which is easy to calculate as Japanese law already requires published drop rates.

Are you a woman?

As long as the judge listens.

Hey reddit, you posted kike twice

Look up the word "millennial" you fucking moron. It refers to people born in the 80s and 90s. You're a millennial, dumbfuck.

Ditto. Gachashit is a cancer ruining the industry. It fucking blows when you have real devs with good games to their resume reduced to working fucking mobile making awful shit because that's where the jobs are now.

The idea is that they should start making laws on the matter, you know. Ideally better ones than Japan's shit since clearly Japan still has a major problem with gachashit.