Skyrim > New Vegas

Insofar as the political intrigue goes, at least. Why do people praise NVs political conflict so much when it pales in comparison to the depth and complexity of what is presented in Skyrim? The Nords have legitimate grievances over the White Gold Concordats terms, particularly the ban on Talos worship, but the Imperium also had legitimate reasons to accept that treaty. The entire conflict is handled in a nuanced fashion that shows that neither side is truly righteous, or truly evil.

Ulfric really is a power hungry, selfish man who is being utilized by the Thalmor to further weaken the Imperium, but he also genuinely cares about his peoples faith, culture, and future, and views the Imperium as a dying, decadent empire that will drag down Skyrim with it as it collapses if they do not separate now. Much of the game world reinforces this, and he is also correct that Elisif is nothing more than a puppet and most of the Jarls that support the Empire are being bribed and therefore controlled by them, rather than genuinely looking out for their people.

On the other hand, the Empires point of view is that Ulfric is sapping vital resources needed as they rebuild to face the Aldmeri Dominion once again, and that the Nords should be willing to sacrifice their culture and faith for a while in order to preserve the Imperium. That they should be willing to put aside their own individual interests for the betterment of the collective whole, and take a more pragmatic, long term view of things.

And of course the best part about all this is that both sides are being played against each other by the Thalmor, as both sides recognize their threat, but fail to realize the full scope of their goals (ending linear time) and that the ban on Talos is actually more than a ploy to agitate the nords, it's integral to their long term plans. It's heavily implied in the lore that the Thalmor are much more thorough in Cyrodill at rooting out Talos worship and they are rapidly readying the entirety of the main Imperial provinces for their second attempt at conquest by bribing, blackmailing, and otherwise cajoling many into throwing in with their plans rather than stay on the side of what many view to be a failing empire.

This gives the war a sense of futility and stupidity that nevertheless cannot be avoided due to the deep rooted cultural, political, and religious conflicts at play. It also gives the player a sense that no matter what he does, ultimately the world is larger than he is and there are some things out of his control.

I think that's one of the biggest reasons I like the conflict in Skyrim more than NV, the player doesn't really determine the destiny of the overall world. He has an effect, and theoretically can decide the winning faction (although even that is malleable with how it's written, the Nords could ultimately still break off from the Imperium and Ulfric could still lose control of the province to Imperial hands even if "victory" is attained), but he isn't the be all end all of the world. The larger scope of the political and military actions being taken mean that regardless of who wins, the Thalmors schemes move forward and the Imperium is weakened, and there's nothing you can do to stop that.

I feel that's one of the problems with not just NV, but RPGs in general, that the character is the center of the entire narrative and decides everything, rather than just being a powerful piece of an overall setting. And in this regard TES does a much better job simply due to how vast and detailed the setting is.

Of course I have no faith that will continue in the future, the gameplay of the series has already greatly suffered and I genuinely doubt Bethesda still retains the staff needed for constructing a compelling setting, narrative, or world. Which is probably why they just keep remaking Skyrim rather than releasing TES6.

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MODS CUCKCHAN ARE FUCKING RUINING Holla Forums!!!

tbh I just want to test these apng files in this shit thread

I agree, OP. The Elder Scrolls™ VI: Skyrim is far superior to the garbage called Fallout: New Vegas. I hope people will pre-order The Elder Scrolls™ VI: Skyrim for the Nintendo® Switch™!

I can't believe I have to post this again today.

The empire died with Martin Septim, every emperor after him were ilegitimate anyway. And they further desecrated its corpse when they bowed to talmudic elves and turned its back to their founder Talos. Now check my singles.

If you take into account the meta-lore, the thing becomes more interesting when you consider that eradicating Talos worship is part of the goal, since the Thalmor want to weaken him as part of their ploy for immortality - except their way of doing it is to actually straight up genocide the whole party. It's also heavily implied in lore that the Thalmor are basically a secret society that's usurped control of politics and is using the rest of the Aldmeri Dominion to execute its plans.

The player has little control because TES is meant to be "true" high fantasy. You play the Hero - your role is to be a savior, and then to fade into obscurity. If you weren't there, everyone else would lose themselves, being caught up in the petty squabbles and wars they deal with. In Arena, you're the only one who realizes Jagar Tharn is running the show; in Daggerfall, you have to navigate regional politics and figure out a solution, but can't use the Mantella yourself; in Morrowind, you have to get everyone to rally behind you and fulfill a prophecy so they'll give you the tools to actually fix things; in Oblivion, you have to basically do all of the work and then get Martin to the position he can actually save everyone; in Skyrim, you kill the big dragon but fuck if anyone actually respects you doing that shit. You're not Aragorn - you're Frodo.

Of course, this is all failing to ignore a very simple fact:
The game itself is shit.
Yes, there's some good stuff in there. The problem is, the game does not support it. The civil war is badly done, in terms of game-play. Mechanics are fucked in some areas and overall made overtly-simplified. The dialogue is weak and limited.

If Skyrim was a good game, it's good points would actually be worth discussion. But since it's a bad game, why discuss it?

Yeah, I am aware of that. I addressed it in the last part of my post. The gameplay in TES was weakend in Oblivion and more or less destroyed in Skyrim. The only thing it still had going for it was the lore and the world exploration. I genuinely feel Skyrim was such a success simply because it was fun to walk around the game world. I still found its political conflict far more interesting than the one in New Vegas, at least from a story perspective. The player decides the overall fate of the entire setting way too much and I feel that the Legion was written in such a hamfisted way with their atrocities and their luddite hypocrisy.

The NCR is overplayed too, too much emphasis on their failings and not enough on their good side. House and Independent are the only decent options and I feel Independent is a cop out, so it really is just House. I feel NV would've been far more interesting had they made both the Legion and NCR more compelling, with good reasons to choose both, rather than good reasons to not choose either.

Finally, Someone that realizes the brilliance and sophistication of The Elder Scrolls™ V: Skyrim. I too agree that the shitty, filthy niggers of Obsidian couldn't come to 1/10th of the depth that The Elder Scrolls™ V: Skyrim presents.

What is fundamentally wrong with O-pee?

Skyrim might be the weakest entry to the TES series, but NV is just trash.

What that really means is a lot of people on here have opinions they don't dare voice between the odds of getting shouted down or even having their thread deleted by a hotpocket

LOL
What a gay.

then they don't belong, congratulations you figured it out

nigger what?


no


Did you use a j instead of an i in "thjs is fact" on purpose?

You don't have to post stuff everyone agrees with, this isn't a namefag board. Generally people hate Skyrim because it is in many ways a shit game but I still can make the topic if I feel like it, just be prepared for the bantz and the anger. The problem a lot of Holla Forums posters have is the same problem New Vegas has with its factions, too much focus on the negatives to the point that they completely outweigh the positives, especially if overall the negatives are in excess of the positives.

This is exacerbated by the fact that most other forums have the opposite problem, they take even mediocre or shit games and praise them wholeheartedly and shout down any criticism of them no matter how bad it is, which leads to Holla Forums posters feel this is the one bastion left where you can honestly call shit, shit. So it becomes the general narrative even when a game is just decent or only good in certain areas.

Skyrim has good graphics, especially with mods, and TES has good lore. The RPG mechanics were stripped down from an already weakened system in Oblivion and the combat in TES games was always terrible. The former two will get the game praised as an amazing masterpiece on namefag boards, the latter two will get it called irredeemable garbage on imageboards.

Getting back to the topic at hand, New Vegas factions are much worse than the Imperium and Stormcloaks in Skyrim because neither the NCR or the Legion are really compelling. All the trash of both factions is so in excess of their good points that just about everyone I talk to who has seriously played the game either sided with House or went Independent. Obsidian forced the dark side of the shades of grey too much, especially with the Legion.

jesus what the fuck is happening in this thread

shaking my head to be honest family

4niggers are sitting out their bans again.

If you dont get it then you need to lurk more or fuck off

It's time to go back.

Soyboys that are scared and mad that someone has a different opinion to the hivemind and they know deep down that OP is right.

Gameplay wise it is a more enjoyable game, also prettier. But as far as writing goes, well Skyrim has better lore but the story of FNV is superior.

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It gets better if you play with the Civil War mod.. It restores much of the cut content from the game.
It's pretty much mandatory.


But you know how it is - there's always a few very loud autists who claim to present the "PERFECT!" opinion of Holla Forums and try to "enforce" it.
You mentioned Skyrim in a non-negative light, so expect this tread to be assailed by a bunch of no-life cucks who love hating things.

you can kill the emperor and it has zero effect on the world.

Actually, it's not the majority opinion.

It's the opinion of a very local bunch, who are probably a minority even here, and DEFINITELY a minority in the world.

The only thing NV did better was the NPC dialogue and interaction. I think the center of Skyrim's story is the interesting conflict between Ulfric and the Imperials. Dragonborn and stuff are just the topping.

its like pottery.

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Mods don't care about your shit opinion as long as it's on topic. I know your used to up/down voting system but we don't have that here. You're free to say anything and shouldn't be afraid when everyone here anonymous.

Tldr: go back to Reddit faggot.

What would it be like to fuck that little reddit alien?

Fuck off somewhere and sleep snug smug.

Cuckchan started injecting actual malware into the site's code so a bunch of refugee niggers have come to shit up the site.

epic maymay


yes but tl;dr?

Reminder elves did nothing wrong and nords are the niggers of Skyrim.

Hey, congratulations OP, your post has more words than the script of Skyrim's main story, and the Stormcloak/Imperial war side story combined!

The underlying lore may be really good in Skyrim but it doesn't change the fact that it suffers from the "player must be able to see all content within a single playthrough" syndrome. Which means that both civil war questlines are not only boring but pretty much identical, with only a few location names switched around and enemies dressed in different uniforms. It all falls apart the second you start a second playthrough to check out the opposite faction, which you were never meant to do.


Ruggarrell is that you? Does your latest tactic consist of shouting down legitimate discussion with accusations of newfaggotry and encouraging "post yfw shekel yiddizen" circlejerking?
your dick will forever remain tiny

>>>/reddit/

It may sound nice lore-wise but in practice it's a real trainwreck of how it's handled.

Jesus, winter break is like a hyper summer. Board quality went down the shitter around the 10th and went down hard with this kind of shit, wojak and niggerfrog posters.

You can thank the PS360 for holding the game back like so many other titles. They barely managed to run the game at the equivalent of low settings and sub 30 fps.

No, you can blame Bethesda for being talentless hacks who can't optimize a videogame to save their lives, because there are plenty of games that demanded more, looked better and ran better, even on the PS3/360.

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Wow, its almost like another political happening brought in an entire new wave of faggots. Please fucking go back. You obviously haven't been on this site for more than 6 months.

But user, there hasn't been an actually enjoyable / fun political happenings in months.

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I wasn't trying to imply that.

Thanks for the reminder, fellow gaffer. Next time I see your posts, I'll keep that in mind.

lol

tl;dr the Skyrim political conflict was more interesting than the NV political conflict.

The most thrilling political event currently happening is peoples reactions to Trump drinking a cup of water with two hands. So, yeah.



It's not like NV is better. You don't really see significant impact on what you do once a faction wins since the game ends at that point. And the ending slides are obviously a terrible idea for something like TES, and frankly I don't even like them in Fallout. But it's an easy way to make players feel like they had an "impact" on the game world even though it's just a static picture and a few lines of text, and despite the fact that the next game will completely ignore all of it.

Fantastic writing

No problem friend :^)
Don't forget to report threads about problematic games you don't like!

OP, you have a wrong opinion. You need to understand that the autists rule the anonymous "free-speech" boards by iron tantrum. Fall in line or be sperged to death and called reddit, because in their circle that's some kind of terrible insult and your supposed to care.

Or you know, he's not actually racist and the empire was slandering him to try and isolate the stormcloaks to one race.

I can see that

NORDS AND DRAGONS LITERALLY SCREAM AT THEIR ENEMIES AS WAY OF COMMUNICATION
its at the level of pure fantasy and childrens books
are you high? MIDDLE EARTH HAS BETTER POLITICS

Yeah, and don't forget to keep going on reddit so you can use them for political influence!

This is what happens when you toddpost, bethesdafags think they are in good company.

they werent making a fucking Game of Thrones
its fucking fairytales, monsters and ghosts
if you want complex politics play the Witcher series

gay

I wonder why Bethescucks aren't shitposted as hard as Blizzcucks, they're about as bad if not worse

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You are a retard who doesn't know what toddposting is about and the only reason we are having this thread is because cuckchan is leaking.

I don't give fuck about what you're talking about OP. I just want to play a game set in the comfy snow town that you just posted.

This.
Some people here treat "go back to reddit" or "cuck" like it's an argument, rather than a tantrum or shitposting that it is.

Their words have no power if you don't care about them. Also, you can filter anyone that act like a retard, so that helps too.


You're on Holla Forums.
How the fuck is this supposed to be "good company"? Don't tell me you think you are good company.

It used to be good company, right around the time of the first exodus.

Are we being raided?

I honestly can't believe this is what this site has come to, you opinion does not belong here scum, I don't give a shit about your argument for it, this opinion has never EVER belonged on this site. It would improve everyone's lives right now if you got out faggot.

One of the biggest reasons Skyrim did so well it is the setting resonates with Western men. We all love mountainous, snowy climates deep down in our souls. That's one of the other reasons TES is doomed aside from how garbage Bethesda is today, the only province left that would even be halfway interesting are the Sommerset Isles and it still won't have the aesthetic draw that Skyrim did.

There aren't nearly enough games with such a setting and Skyrim more or less scratches that itch.

It was never good.
Don't cling to the myth that everything bad is the result of "cuckchan".
Holla Forums was always shit because the world is full of shitty people and gamers are no exception.

It's quite easy. I just think of what an idiot would think (for example, You) and think the opposite.

Sez who?

Yeah, back then we could have a discussion without autistic screeching taking up half the thread.
Here you have faggots who will throw temper tantrums like described without ever explaining their stance.
Right now I suppose they're just faggots from the shitposter squad baiting because I don't believe actually believes that some opinions are outright forbidden on a site that was supposed to be about free speech.

We have skyrim threads every fucking week you nigger, and the fallout threads are always invaded by unironic praise of bethesda. The toddposting has only encouraged and amplified it. Turns out what you are posting ironically some other faggot is taking to heart, it's like you don't know the first thing about imageboards.

4cuck's owner turned out to be aggressively datamining and using malicious ads like people were warned.
Refugees not welcome.

Did you ever stop to consider that maybe you are the outlier here and not us? Of course you didn't.

I sure fucking hope we don't have discussion about this shit game, go fuck yourself.

You think Holla Forums is shit because you don't fucking belong, how can you not understand this? Fuck off.

Entertain me some more with your insightful posts.

Go back.

Stop bumping this shit thread.

You weren't here then. Holla Forums was actually great for just a couple of months and the declined rapidly.

And they are always either shitting on Beth's new fuck up or about porn. Nobody would talk good like this shit thread.
Never seen that and lurk those thread. People shit on beth there too because they got outdone by NV.
Complete bullshit. Toddposting is always making fun of it.
Maybe we should enable cuckchan and bully them in shit threads like this.
Kill yourself, faggot.

They were given a district and made a ghetto out of it. Even in the game theres a dunmer who is a farmer and points out they're all lazy as fuck bums who just whine and expect the nords to do shit for them.

shouldn't*

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Skyrim is a great game and I for one can't wait for Bethesda to release Skyrim 2!

Stop bumping cuckchan threads then retard. You aren't even bullying anyone, you're just posting about how bad your memory is.

Have to go download your smug anime grills? Protip; you might fit in better if they had native filenames.

Please don't use the word bullying.

This little picture has more buildings in it than all the cities in Skyrim combined. Think about that for a moment.

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I was calling this a cuckchan thread from the beginning you just decided to be a fucking faggot of a different sort. You want me to shit this thread? I can't, pedofags should post their loli shit to scare off these faggots. Or better yet someone start posting gore.

He didn't DL it, just hit 'copy image' on some file in a search engine, and pasted it directly into the QR box. for instance -

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>entryism and refugee crisis is how fun died
I wish you where not correct but you are correct.

Show me some statistics to confirm that.
Proofs that your view is the overwhelming majority.

And once you do that, then explain to me what different it makes anyway. Should I change my opinion because a subgroup of a subgroup of a group of people holds a different one? Do I look like a lemming to you?

Maybe if you stopped clinging to your opinions (and/or Holla Forums "consensus") as some sacred dogma and stopped shitting on every thread or post that doesn't agree with it, Holla Forums wouldn't suck as much. We could have… actual discussions.
Or you could… I dunno… ignore the threads you don't like, like a normal human being?

A district in a decadent city in the middle of an assfuck snowland
Why would you take the word of one fucking dunmer? Most "characters" are bitter as fuck against each other

>>>Holla Forums11050958
>>>/cow/298217
nothing to see here :^)

If you were here for more than 5 days you would know that everyone hate this shit.

/thread

Or maybe you don't and it's time to retire from posting on imageboards. Preferably the internet.


I was here since the beginning.
Unlike most of you kiddes here, I'm in my 50's, and I was around when the first imageboards popped up, 14kb modems were the latest craze and games came on several cassete tapes or floppy disks.

Being loud does not a majority make.
And it makes even less EVERYONE.
Don't try to claim uniformity of opinion when it doesn't exist. I thought Holla Forums wasn't a hivemind?

Skyrim was a shit game that could not hold my attention once all the pieces of how bland and generic the "choices" were. Its a shit open world game that cant hold a candle to nwn ORIGINAL campaign which was panned by people for being generic and problematic. skyrim is generic of generic with little to no story. It has no narrative no substance. Its a open world with no story or real direction. A empty souless shell that has a shiny veneer. Everything important is learned though obscure books. Nothing is given to you ingame really no real meaningful impact or choices. Its all the blandest of bland and the generic of generic.

Ok, then faggot, prove that people like this shit.

This is just sad. Every time an user defines themselves with age or sex or amount of time supposedly spent on imageboards it is proof the entire concept of anonymous posting is being destroyed. Still clinging to creating an identity through something, rather than just speaking your mind frankly without worrying about a general consensus or your perceived standing within a social group. And of course the entire thread then devolves into shitposting about your opinion being the correct one, not because of anything factual or rational, but because you're an oldfag, or represent the first exodus, or you know the true spirit that Holla Forums is supposed to have, or any other inane bullshit that you can come up with to create a shred of identity to define yourself with and use, rather than actually communicate.

Shouldn't you be spending time with your grandkids instead of wasting your autumn years here?

>>>/reddit/
xD

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Unpopular opinion threads should be bannable.

Holy shit, I remember this in late 2014 when I lost my HDD.
Never seen it posted again but was hopeful to see it again.
Thanks user, now I can properly cheerish it.

How else could we mock people then.

Isn't that Harry Partrirdgegef

Thats great OP but your thread is shit, NV does a better job than level scaling Skyrim at properly building a living world that works outside your influence with actual non binary choices and you need to go back to >>>/cuckchan/ with your bullshit.

In Skyrim, you play as the chosen legendary pest-control where you kill some flying lizards. There is a civil war literally only plays two incredibly insignificant points in the main quest. Literally nothing anyone would do in the future would be more important than the main quest. The true difficulty of the choice in the Civil War is giving a shit.

To be fair to OP, he isn't the biggest faggot in his thread for once.

Barely anyone talks about it as well and you have maybe a single mission in the whole game that ties with it outside its designated thread.
Its amazing how poorly done it is

True, but he still sucks cocks regardless

And that still doesn't address my point that the political conflict in Skyrim was superior to that in NV due to the fact that Obsidian failed to write either the Legion or the NCR as anything but colossal fuck ups. There's no real weighing out the choices in the NV storyline due to this, as if you're paying attention at all you realize how absolutely garbage the two factions are and that House or Independent are the only choices that are compelling to the player.

In Skyrims case both the Stormcloaks and Imperials have compelling reasons to join or support them. NV gives you plenty of reasons to dislike the Legion and the NCR, but very few to support them. Which is why in most NV threads discussing said factions the entire argument for supporting them is to talk about how absolutely garbage their opposition is, rather than how great their side is.

skyrim is a video game

Like changing the Jarl in the different towns and the near identical faction quests.

Bethesda can't write a story worth talking about but fuck if Skyrim doesn't hits the right levels of comfy and wonder. Sometimes I boot up the game just to walk around it with that Frostfall mod. Also

oh i am laffin

Did you even play Skyrim's main quest twice? It's the exact same shit with two different colors.

I thought all your posts in the thread were bait until someone pointed out you were OP. Congratulations I guess.

You mean besides the fact that the world at large seems to like it? And as evident by the posts from people who disagrre, even on this board you cannot form a concensus - otherwise you wouldn't be so aggressive towards everyone that doesn't conform.

The idea of no identity is a fallacy. Keeping it a secret and minimizing your footprint on the net is one thing. Not pushing that identity everywhere is one thing.
But to deny having an identity completely is another.

You are forgeting that this is a forum about games. What makes a game good is highly subjective, to the point that two people look at the same game completely differently, since what they want from it and what they take away from it is completely different. So you can have all the discussions you want, but I doubt that anyones opinion will be swayed.
FFS, you have a group that love realism and think it adds to the gameplay since they love immersion, and a group that hates it and think it detracts because its' "boring".


You'd think I'd be coming here if I wasn't an archmage?


Tried that, but it was meh. You mom was way more fun.

How compelling. I'm sure you also love Achmed because he's about to obliterate your wife's cunt.

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New Vegas

Yes truly riveting stuff

Well unlike Obsidians shit narrative, the TES world doesn't entirely revolve around the PC so, since the Imperials had a legitimate reason to want to execute anyone caught near Ulfric, only an entitled plebe would be unable to see the forest for the trees.

Are you one of those niggers who needs everything to be spoonfed to you to understand it? The entire history of the setting and its most significant military and political events all lead up to the conflict and all of those things are chronicled and accessible in the game if you care to engage the world and its lore.

You're glowing in the dark, CIAnigger

I already gave a much better summation of the details of the conflict between the Nords and the Imperium in the OP. You can't really claim there's no complexity to the conflict in the Skyrim storyline unless you are simply a dumb nigger that never reads the lore in the games he plays, and only understands what the game straight up shoves into his face.

As for NV:


House and Independent are the only two choices with reasons given to the player to support. Why would you ever support either the Legion or the NCR? They are both portrayed as colossal fuck ups in different ways, and their negatives far outweigh their cons.

I literally heard that retarded excuse for Institute in FO4.
If you are going to give the player a big decision, maybe don't make the outcome so insignificant.

How are the Thalmor Jews? They actually have competent military forces and have accomplished their goals through conquest and strength as much as subversion, which the Jews have never done. If anything the Imperials are the kikes of the TES series, they use everyone else as proxies while enriching themselves and claiming their divine right to rule. Hell, even their racial powers to find more shekels and subvert people they meet fits.

This is all the fucking conflict boils down to. Even the voice actors sound bored out of their fucking minds.
I'M DYING HERE! You actually believe this? The civil war doesn't even get past a stalemate until you fumble through one of the factions and pledge "loyalty" to one of them. This supposed end of the world involving dragons doesn't even start until you take some ancient stone of plot convenience to that mage in Whiterun. In New Vegas you can see the factions ramping up their forces before you even get there. We are shown how Caesar is getting his pawns into place and how fucked the NCR's situation is before we even decide who to start following. House has his own plans and you just so happen to be the last piece in his puzzle. All of the things you do, some other schmuck could do, but in Skyrim everyone sits with their thumbs up their asses until you stumble into them, who then hail that you are the chosen one who's prophesied to do all of the side quests.

The legendary pest control who is the only one that can permanently kill the flying lizards. You magically become the leader of all of the factions minus the Imperials and the Stormcloaks.

Emil is a fucking hack. You are a double faggot OP.

Your nose is showing.

It's perfectly accurate - either Frodo or Sam work, really. You take the ring to Mordor, navigating dangerous terrain to accomplish your mission. Once all is said and done, you travel back home and either get married or get on the fucking boat. Either way, you're out of the picture afterwards. It's just another Hero's Journey; your hometown was "obscurity/nebulous/somehow I wound up in prison", and that's exactly where you're going back to.

The reason TES does as well as it does, is because of a degree of internal consistency that comes mostly from what Kirkbride did with the Daggerfall lore, causing it to have a "real" mythology (i.e. contradictory yet with patterns) that reflects our own, and reflects into the game stories. I somehow doubt Pete Hines and a lot of the others understand that, but Todd probably at least has a bit of an idea, given his length of involvement. It's why, so long as they don't change the formula too much, TES6 will do far better than Fallout 4 and make Bethesda a lot of money.

None of that changes how bad the gameplay and dialogue are. It's unfortunate, because there's enough material to make a good game. But they're never going to match, let alone surpass, Morrowind again.

How can they not be bored when they voice both sides of the conflict? They probably don't even understand who they are voicing.

That's Major.

I agree Skyrim is a perfect game especially if you buy it on all platforms.

Dubs

I really doubt TES6 is going to match Skyrim. As I said a huge draw for Skyrim was the setting and I really don't see any other province having the kind of draw and mass appeal Skyrim did. Hammerfall and Elsewyr would get boring as fuck fast, desert landscapes aren't compelling or breathtaking.

Valenwood would be interesting, except I genuinely doubt that they are going to take the time and effort to create the kind of forest that it's supposed to be, and a generic woodland is incredibly dull on top of directly going against the established lore.

Really the only place left that might be a fun setup would be the Somerset Isles, especially if they take the time and effort to create the crystalline buildings and structures against oceanic landscapes. Pulling that off would be amazing, but it's a lot harder to create that kind of aesthetic than it is compared to Skyrim or anything else they've done.

Bethesda is also in a decade-long downward spiral. Fallout 4 has proven that they're now too retarded to make mechanics that appeal even to normalfags.
That's the entire reason they're shitting out the five-hundredth re-release of Skyrim: Because they know it's the last remotely sensible thing they'll ever have made.

The Bethesda of 2017 doesn't have the raw talent to pull off stunning crystal towers, let alone thick rainforests with giant migratory city-trees. I doubt whether they have the talent to produce an acceptable desert either. If ever there was a studio that needed to be taken behind the shed before it embarrassed itself further, it's Bethesda.

You know they will just retcon those, right?

That doesn't make the crappy generic fantasy FPS they'll doubtlessly shit out any better.

It already has that due to the popularity of the game, which basically guarantees a sequel that will probably fuck everything up in some way

If you need supplementary material to "fully appreciate the the complexity of the plot", the game failed
Which also happens in Skyrimjob, just that with the Stormcloaks being less fucked

how delusional

What you seem to misunderstand is the theme of NV, which is about letting go of the old world. Every factions biggest mistake was repeating the old mistakes. Both the Legion and the NCR would be fucked even if they got hold of the dam. The NCR would still be suffering from the same problems as before and the victory would be just a political one for Kimball. The Legion would be fucked because no worthy successor and the plan to turn his tribal savages into civilized men is kind of ridiculous. House is just a megalomaniac shriveled tube man with a god complex and it's going to bite him in the ass eventually. He doesn't care about humanity if it's not a humanity that worships him as their god emperor and it's not like he can project force anywhere outside the strip or mojave. His intricate plans are too intricate to actually work in the real world. All it took for his master plan to fail was one man making his own decision. He works with robots, circuitry and programming, but the real world isn't a circuit board. If you make Vegas great again, there will be a lot of people shooting for that throne. The securitrons are susceptible to guerilla warfare and House himself is weak against backstabbing. His head is so far up in the clouds that he can't see the radscorpions at his feet. Independent is more of a rejection of choice than a choice and probably the best outcome for all factions so they can cool off. If there was a sequel I'd say the canonical end should be independent where the Courier left soon after the battle and never returned. All the factions are kind of shit because they are that way in the real world too. You can bet that if the Legion or NCR found the nukes in the divide, they would be nuking the hell out of each other and just restarting the apocalypse.


tl;dr: All of the factions based on the old world ideologies will only ever repeat the mistakes that lead to the destruction of the world in the first place. For something new to be born, something old must die. Letting go is the lesson.

If they didn't like snowland they shouldn't have stopped in skyrim
Winterhold is not decadent.
Because he is successful from hard work, unlike his lazy compatriots.

I've had three threads deleted by a mod for being on a topic he didn't like. One was a porn mod discussion, one was "help, I'm addicted to a shite game", and one was a Skyrim thread.

Fucking newfags I swear. But yeah we really don't give a shit. I'll let you know on a little secret. I don't actually like VNs

>I don't actually like VNs
I love them If you take them away, then there is no where left to talk about them, as they all die. /a/ is shit /hgg/ is filled with newfags. Thanks I guess, you fat jew. You shouldn't put on the trip though.

You're right that the civil war was done in a way that is surprisingly nuanced for nuBethesda, but that doesn't excuse the rest of the games writing. All of the guilds as well as the main quest have writing that is beyond abysmal, its clear that whoever came up with the CW didn't do much else in the game because surely noone that competent come up with the absolute garbage seen in the thieves guild or college of Winterhold, not to mention all the random suicide-inducing NPC dialogue.

Not seeing the problem. They just appoint another one because he's more of a figurehead than anything else.

Why the fuck do you retards keep believing that Fallout4 was some massive flop just because the people on Holla Forums tell you? It made Bethesda so much goddamn money they don't know what to do with it. Normalfags are still playing it to this day, and they ATE UP the VR version, despite its glitches and the fact that it adds little to the experience. You're out of your FUCKING MIND if you think Fallout isn't their flagship right now, and stronger than it's ever been.

All anyone has to do to completely overthrow House's rule is break in and kill him or hack into the computer controlling the securitrons, even if Caesar dies at least his legion will attempt to maintain control.

House is no better an option than any of the others, at least if you're disregarding the shitty ending cutscenes that ruin the fun of speculation.

House is a better option because he just wants to control New Vegas and advance technology. Outside of New Vegas people would be left to govern themselves rather than placed under the heel of a corrupt democracy or tyrannical dictatorship that strips them of what little rights they have to begin with. Furthermore, as the PC, you have the most reason to side with House if you want to retain your own autonomy and gain tangible rewards for your actions. House is far from perfect but he is absolutely the best choice between the three options given to you in the setting.

I like how every interesting element each faction could have to it either gets retconned out or just conveniently never appears.

Oh, fuck off.