Join Legion

I got a mod specifically to have him as a companion. Too bad he's not Christian.

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It's obviously a last-resort faction with less thought put into it than the other three.

feels good man, even if he might kill graham.

A true patrician brings the legion to victory at hoover, and lets graham be the Paul for a new Rome

You know I really used to dislike the Legion, and used to ideologically side with Mr House, however replaying through the game recently I noticed that a lot of the heads of the casinos complain about how Mr House isn't a good leader. Not to mention the fact that he doesn't show any emotions could be a red flag to him forgetting what it means to be human from spending a lot of time as a fucking robot.

On the other hand the Legion kind of makes sense, I mean sure, are they killing innocents? Yeah. But the wasteland is full of junkies and illiterates, you can't expect them to vote for someone or not waste their lives gambling and murdering each other.

The Legion would bring peace and order which in the future would pave the way for democracy and government.

touché

Yeah Ceaser by no means wants to keep slavery and I would even say subjugation of women. He wants to synthesize the Legions society with the NCR and make something better, and longer lasting, for both.

I mean, how else are you gonna get a generation of warriors out of tribals. People need to be dedicated to this dream or else the tribes will be subjugated to the NCR like the native americans were, or when they collapse the natives will invade to the same result as Ceaser.

Come back after you've lurked more.

Independent is objectively the best option.

Where has that has ever been said or implied?

Reminder that the "thesis-antithesis-synthesis" thing is literally a meme, that Kant hated it, and that Hegel never espoused it. For him, dialectics began with an abstract thesis, was followed by a negation, and ended with a further negation of the first negation. The result was concrete, rather than abstract, like its predecessors. This was the defining characteristic of Hegel's dialectic: the abstract (which is necessarily unreal and thus incomplete) being made concrete.

He tells you himself that his methods are a mean to make the wasteland stable.
While he doesn't say that I think it's heavily implied that the wasteland will go in that direction once its unified.

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Why would I play that horrid piece of shit known as New Vegas?

It's a good game.

For you.

Why would someone burn a man before throwing him into the Grand Canyon?

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If I took off those bandages would you die?

What I got from what he said was that he wants civilization not develop technology that makes people "soft" like medicine and other "luxuries."

It's a 6/10 at best.

ign standards or real evaluation?

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Please stop responding to stupid bait

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You're not my real dad.

Massacring entire tribes, forcing them to assimilate into your tribe, and stealing their resources is not "living off the land"

Real standards, hell even Fallout 3 is better and feels more polished as well as nailing the atmosphere tenfold.

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I don't think that's how countries work

Not a shit opinion, the worldbuilding is good but the narrative concerning the player is far from spotless. Quest markers everywhere hurt the game. It's Gamebryo shit. Radio is so repetitive you'll eventually force yourself to turn off every radio you see. Too much of the world is empty desert and ruin like the nukes dropped weeks ago but it's been a couple hundred years, making me wish it was more developed because it'd sure be a fuckton more interesting.

I hate people who never played Fallout before 3.

the legion is SJW kikes and should be killed
all fags should be rounded up into the factories and burned as fuel, generating literally trillions of terawatts of crisp clean energy

I want 16 year olds to leave.

>Real men play as a sycophant to an asexual old-world elite who is literally incapable of viewing the world outside the lens of how it helps him personally.
House is old, his ideas are old, and he wants to recreate all the old problems of the world. Making the world "a better place" is an incidental side benefit of his never-ending quest to dominate everything and everyone. I kill him every time–he should have been incinerated along with the rest of the old world.

Yeah forget the slavery and oppressive one world empire, also forget their underhanded tactics to trick tribes to fight for them before assimilating them and destroying their identity.

Honestly I think the only reason some of us like the Legion is because they emphasize physical fitness, purity of will, and freedom from decadence.

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It's bad when the old world was so dysfunctional that it annihilated itself in nuclear fire, yes.
Read the thread, I'm an independentfag.
Caesar is a retard who hasn't actually read Hegel, the Legion is the antithesis of the NCR rather than the other way around, and they're shit from start to finish. Caesar might have a point if he could guarantee that he could conquer the entire world, but he can't, especially since the Legion rests on his cult of personality and may dissolve with his death–and if they fail to take New Vegas, that possibility becomes a certainty.

Novac. Home.

Turning off my sage since this thread looks like it's not going to devolve into shit, like I thought it would.

Someone, somewhere, is sexually attracted to that dinosaur.

Ah yes, the three pillars that every user lives by

But user, that was the Zetans.

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and that person is I

Agreed, but people like to forget obvious facts like Caesar's despotism, and the fact that they're all about uncontrolled assimilation removing any form of identity some tribes or groups might have, a literal one world government, but it openly uses the word "degenerate" in its vocabulary , so people like will eat it up.

that's where you're wrong, kiddo

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Nice.

I got trapped in The Glow. This is such bullshit.

I cleared out this base, but apparently because I read skill books which when the time passed as you read them gave me too much radiation, so now even the stock pile of Rad Away and Rad X that I got won't save me and once I get back top side and try to get back to The Hub I die instantly.

Fuck me man, here I was feeling good, got myself a Sniper Rifle and Combat Armor along with some of what I am assuming are key items and this save and all the work I did is completely fucked.

just fuckin use cheat codes or something to unfuck yourself user

Its happened to plenty of us in the past, it's a newcomer's trap, just bite the bullet and try again fgt.

Enjoy Great Khan scum sleeping with your wife, after all, you're all part of the empire!

When i played this when i was 13 I was super nervous about going down there, so I went in and got out as quickly as possible since everyone was saying how fucked up it was down there, so i've never gotten stuck there.

god what a bunch of faggots

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Did you post this in a certain group on facebook?

This is what I was going to to, but my exploration sense got the better of me.
I was just going to grab the holodisk and get back to the Brotherhood.

At the very bottom of the glow there's some top tier gear and a very special NPC that you can get a lot of lore and info from, next time, just buy as much rad-x as you can from some guys at the HUB.

I managed to make it back to hub town after consuming a large amount of buffout, it was enough to make it back.

You brave soul.

Leave the glow exploring to the experts, alright kiddo?

I did that to House.
Was funny when you mention it to him as the reason hy.

It's a shame close as you're going to get in a post nuclear apocalyptic wasteland.

What I'm really upset about is the fact that the one guy that was literally controlling how everything was going to pan out in New Vegas (and arguably the state of Nevada as a whole) had no option for him to completely control New Vegas and begin his own faction/government.

Closest we get to is Yes Man who then niggers you out of the deal, which seemed like a really lazy thing to do. The Yes Man route seemed like it had more going for it than it actually did at the end.

I liked the idea for these hoods.
But the goggles ruin it and it's strangely spacious inside.
It should be tighter on the sides.

Let's sit down and talk about that 4chan watermark.

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Great Khans did nothing wrong.

While I agree that the Legion does SEEM like a fine choice, Mr.House is the obvious best option. Here's why:
Even if you save Caesar, he'll still end up dying a couple years down the line. Someone is going to take his throne and there is no guarantee that the Legion would continue the way Caesar envisioned. A few more years down the line and the current leader dies, who replaces him. That leader dies, who replaces him? The person that replaces Caesar could ruin it all for everyone, if not him the next guy and if not that guy then the next guy, etc. The issue of succession plagues both real life scenarios and vidya ones.

I was 100% ready and willing to join the Legion, but when I got to the point in the game of having a chat with Caesar I realized that his plan, his grand scheme, would fizzle out and no real grand change would come to the civilizations of the wasteland. They would just end up right back at square 1.

This same issue would've been the downfall of the actual Roman empire if Caesar wasn't murdered. It also would've been the downfall of the Third Reich if Hitler won.

I want to like it. I really do. I tried installing mods to fix it, but then the game crashes every 10 minutes, or I die because of random ass broken bullshit. I installed Project Nevada to make the game better, but when I sprint down hills I almost always take instant damage, often leading to death. Why couldn't they have made a better engine instead of copy/pasting shit from Fallout 3?

Mr House is clearly too detached from being a robot for 200 years, he has no emotion, he only cares about making money and controlling people.

In 200 fucking years he fixed a bunch of casinos but didn't even drop a cap to fix freeside. He clearly does not care about the future of humanity.

freesiders should be genocided. useless suburban addicts hoping to scam enough to pay their way into the strip to gamble their way to fortune

But House had a plan, and had all the means to make that plan come to fruition. Caesar had a vision and no guarantee it would last.

what are you talking about
he wants humanity to expand to the stars
he lives inside a tube and his only joy in life is being jerked off by a robot

House's plan was to scam the NCR and Caesar out of their money, that's it

What kind of fucking plan is that

why waste resources on a dead end?

House is basically so much better than the other choices they had to force the player nuke the BoS to keep all the playtesters from constantly choosing him.

A total Mary Sue compared to the other choices.

If rebuilding a functioning society is a dead end then he clearly does not want the best for humanity. That's my point.

The point is that he seems like the best choice, but with multiple playthough it becomes clear he's not all he seems to be

These fucking threads …
It's a fucking video game you spastics

new vegas is possibly the only game where politics are actually on-topic

see

also
The man was smart enough to foresee the end of the world, smart enough to survive it and smart enough to come up with a plan for the future beyond apocalypse.

In FNV you don't have too many (good) choices. You either side with Legion and have a good time for a bit until you have to watch it all burn down years later or side with House and see humanity actually go somewhere.

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Nothing like a comfy room with Willow

Yeah. To waste their money in casinos while he becomes more and more powerful and doesn't try to better the world at all

He's such a good human being that he didn't even let the Followers of the apocalypse, possibly the only good people in the wasteland, in on the life saving technology he has.

The dude's a huge dick and can't even handle 4 fucking families controlling HIS casinos without having them go haywire on him. The man is fucking harboring a group of cannibals in his city for fucks sake, he has no idea what's going on, he's not a leader.

nigger, you do that when you have enough resources, getting the damn fucking platinum chip is more important than some fucking beggars that cant survived on their own.
its like you didnt watch the ending.

Not really. The Legion just ended up depicted as barbarian gangsters. There wasn't time to flesh them out fully with all their cities and culture, so they are generic cobra-style villains who live in raiding camps and run around crucifying people for no good reason.

Does that matter at all?

The point is that he has no plan or interest for the future.

its hard to be glued to a damn computer, user
fuck those hippies

nah, fuck you nigger.

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The NCR is building the railroad you dumb fuck

Yeah what a great plan. I'm sure the broken rockets at repconn will be more than good enough to go to mars and make it habitable with post-apocalypse technology.
Just because he wants to doesn't mean that it's doable or smart.

Does the ending even say how he helps them? It's too much of a generic statement to be taken as good intentions. We don't even know if it's long term or not

Christ "helping towns" could just mean leave a securitron there and that could be just taken as him expanding his reach to the rest of the mojave

Do those femboys have armored skirts so it's easier to penetrate themselves?

There's literally nothing manlier than fucking a man in the ass
It's the ultimate act of masculinity

Resource gain.
He wanted to rebuild civilization and expand humanity's reach beyond the stars. Hard to do that when everyone is a bumbling moron and think they know best for the wasteland.
And expose any weakness this technology might have? Best to bide time and wait until everything is under control before revealing VITAL information
Not his fault people in the wasteland are fucking crazy.
The White Glove Society were ex-cannibals. They supposedly left that life behind, not all did though.

All of this being said, House is written in such a way that he is the only good long term option. Every other option spell disaster for humanity in the long run.
IF house ever accomplished his plans we would never fucking know.

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Because I'm not siding with any wolfaboos.

Let's say you build a civilization. It becomes mighty and powerful and you become an icon to your people and prosper for many years. Then, one day, you tragically perish. Do you trust your successor to maintain your vision? Do you trust his successor to maintain your vision? Even if you personally train and teach your successor, there would still be no guarantee that the civilization you fought so hard to maintain wouldn't just crumble one day due to negligence, corruption, subversion, etc.

Somewhere, down the line of leaders, someone WILL fuck up and ruin EVERYTHING you fought so hard for.

Its a really old notion. Solomon wrote about it in Ecclesiastes where he looks at everything that has been built and realizes that eventually, one of his heirs will brutally fuck it into the dirt.

Bullshit. He has all the money he needs already and he's used it for nothing.
Then how the fuck is he going to do it if nobody knows how to go to space?
Fair enough, although anyone with enough firepower could break into the lucky 38 and kill him without knowing his tech
It's not like he's helping fix the situation.
He didn't even clear out the Vault close Vegas that's filled to the brim with raiders for fucks sake

One faction wants to bring order to the wasteland with any mean. The other wants to rebuild and salvage. They're not perfect, I'm not claiming they are, but all the factions have good and bad things about them. Even House.
I don't know who would do that research since there's not exactly a lot of rocket scientists left after the bombs fell.
He stayed dormant for two centuries, only doing something as soon as he heard the NCR and Legion were coming close to him. He says himself he finished restorations in the Strip right before they got to Vegas.

Sure he prepared for the end of the world, but I doubt that's such an amazing feat. He was just the only cunt that had the money to actually try and stop it. And he didn't even do it in time.

I wish Followers were a major faction with an ending tbh

It would take a long while for things to get that bad, though. Empires typically don't crumble in a few generations.

That's because fedora fags have a god complex, nothing surprising there.

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Surprisingly so. Maybe not all of them, but there's a considerably high number of anons who just want to be a decent person in a decent world and settle down with a loving wife for the "internet h8 machine".

Have you come to a life ending realization?

It really doesn't matter. It's only a matter of time before the Midwestern BoS crushes them with their pacification forces.

Nice blogpost fedora

Old-world currency means nothing in the wasteland. Although I also say he's saving it to use it when the time is right. See, spending every dime willy nilly isnt going to accomplish anything.
What is education? What is rebuilding and establishing schools, which is desperately needed?
That's why you have state of the art securitrons with military grade firepower.
Establish a hold on the wasteland first. Hard to rebuild infrastructure when all of your workers are getting fucked in the ass by every deadly thing in the wasteland.
Granted.
Agreed. House just seems better for the long term.
Again, education. Also weren't there some ghouls left alive that actually were rocket scientists? The Brotherhood and Enclave also have a fuck ton of scientists.
In the world of fallout, it is. Anyone who DID survive ended up a horrible monster.
I bet he would've stopped (some) of it if he had more time left.
Atleast he tried.

Still would occur and there's nothing to stop that from occurring yet

People who made New Vegas are atheists.

Your point being?

They are also homophlies, your point is?

Not an argument.

O shit you showed me

What did he mean by this?

Means humanity will struggle to find an answer and maybe one, a good one, will pop up. But no during my lifetime.

Free will is a myth. Religion is a joke.

THE MEMES JACK

You've done it now, the (You)s will flow

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this

but also this

mr house is the best character and the best choice

Bethesda made them use it.

Because they're ==FAGGOTS!==

What?
Also, the one thing that irritated me about the legion was their hesitation of using nu-tech for battle, because the Romans were using any sort of tech they could get their hands on.

Where does this people get this idea, you can even repair a howitzer on the legion camp, requested by the wolf hood fag, and bomb the ncr. They are trained to master melee combat because arming thousands of soldiers with functional fireguns and ammo is nearly impossible (among other reasons), even the ncr has problems to do this, the average ncr soldier wishes he could have the same equipement standards as a 40k guardsman

House wants to profit of degeneracy and gambling to restart humanity, with a sense of pragmatism (except for nostalgia for Vegas). Haven't you heard he wants to restart a proper fucking space program? What does the legion achieve if they win? Fucking ass-backwards slavery and inhumane cruelty. What does the NCR get? More fucking land and more incompetant government beurocrats fucking shit up. House is the best choice, able to keep Vegas running and expand his powerbase. With Helios one, the dam, the income from gambling, and a localized, pragmatic look, Vegas could turn into a very, very prosperous state indeed, competently run by an autocrat.

The roads would be safe (fucking robots patrolling everywhere), the criminals would get their shit pushed in (since they only cause trouble). Peace comes to Vegas, with a poker chip in one hand, and a gun in the other. A peace with purpose.

NCR all day

This, get fucked Legionfags.

40k guardsmen are actually very well equipped

So, when are the Embryo autists going to get together and rebuild this game from scratch but in a better engine like Unreal or something?

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This.
Good things never came from good people, they came from bastards who had to hammer in the propagation of evil to set psychological building blocks and standards to allow for good to flourish.
Necessary evil is the base standards of the modern methods of mankind- what we call good is only what is pleasant and beneficial, and born of ignorance in the face of weakness.

House put the correct things in place to grow the standards back from scratch again- ambition and gain leading to sacrifice of all things are the building blocks of success, but one must always remember that blood must be spilt to create it- else we fall back down to square one.

We have OpenMW for that. Just give it a few moments.

I guess unless you're talking some obscure edge case from the unga bunga rockstop planet

I still like the idea of the NCR if they organized better and outright enforced sheer military brutality like it happens if the Courier helps them. They seem likely to be the more balanced option of the Legion and Mr House but stuck between bureaucratics.

Because they are fucking retarded.

This. The only thing that would get me to side with the legion over House would be if he was an egalitarian cuck who didn't care about breeding better humans, but Caesar did. Of course, that's not what Caesar thinks at all, in fact it's the opposite, and he wants an army of illiterate mongrelized savages with no culture or racial identity sucking his dick, because that's what retards think fascism is.

Nah, bruh. NCR is the good faction. They even allow stronk empowered womyn who don't need no men to be conscripted and butchered. :^)

You don't understand. Caesar is playing 55th dimensional hyperspace rugby. He's really the reincarnation of Mars but he's downplaying it a bit with his autodoc and atom destroying powerfist. He's not actually a hypocritical warlord, he's the real deal.

That brain cancer is worse than I thought…

Legionfags will defend this

I really wanted to side with the NPR, but when I got the mission to deal with the BoS, I just couldn't stomach hurting the cute troopers. Wound up getting betrayed by the meme robot. Not like I didn't see it coming, but still.

That actually might not be too far from reality. I mean Morrowind is the structural basis for all Betheshit games with the whole .bsa, .esm, .esp thing, right?

Its not that he's against technology, his system is in place to teach basic troops how to do without it and allow them to learn how to do without

Are people still dumb enough to keep saying this? Yes man never betrays you, what he meant is he made it so that some random fuck cant just walk in and give him orders. Did you even pay attention to the endings?

I know about Legion's record, but I'm speaking of Caesar himself, how he needs these 2 things to live with.

Then you don't get the lore because Caesar isn't against using tech at all, he's just against handing guns to every grunt because it's a waste.

I think you meant

Sorry legionfags, but the legion still remains a bunch of tribal niggers larping as an ancient civilization, led by a hypocritical spick who has no idea of what fascism actually is.

No, you fucking idiot, the deal you make with him entails that you'll be the one in charge, but both the final video and the final conversation with the funny creature makes clear that New Vegas will be his.

Explain then why he will only allow usage of things like healing powder and not any forms of more modern medicine?

Then why does he take your stimpaks away when you enter the fort? Why does the guard who takes your shit moan about them making you weak if you manage to pass a speech check to keep them?

I can't stand the NCR because every guy has the same voice actor tbqh

Sounds like a means of keeping the army from becoming a bunch of pussies reliant on modern medicine and addicted to morphine.

Because that shit is easy to mass produce.

Yeah, because modern medicine just makes pussies out of people! What's that? A broken leg? Just chop it off before it gangrenes, make sure to walk it off afterwards.

How does that go against what I'm saying, exactly? They view stimpaks as drugs (and I'm sure there are a degree of drugs in them) and think they'll make you weak. It explains it's self. Also as this user says it's far more efficient to mass product (and in fact each warrior can make their own).

Assblasted NCR faggot detected. Also if someone's lost a limb in the Fallout universe they're fucked, end of story.

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Read my history, faggot, I'm Mr. House all the way, and I say you're just a shitty larper.

I'm not even a Legion faggot, I just know the lore unlike your retarded ass. Mr. House is the ultimate cuckold choice.

Syringes ARE everywhere, AND easy to produce. Unless you're a tribal nigger larping as a legionaire, that is.

I bet you only Know the legion lore because you're a shitty larper Am I wrong?

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He's probably the worst of all, a fucking independent Vegas ancap-nigger.

Or are you so retarded you think handmade syringes are the same?

Yep. Also:
No, I just actually payed attention to the game while I was playing it unlike your adhd-riddled ass.

The problem with the NCR is that they needed a faction to help to actually give you shit to do, so the NCR was made incompetent by default, whereas they underdeveloped the legion to the point where they have few faults other than moral ones and the big one of Caesar dying and electing Lanius of all people. Still boggles my mind Caesar has no heirs, though considering his love for Arcade Gannon, it might be because he's a homosexual.

If you want to be a missionary just become a morman and do missionary work in the mojave, or request it anyway.

He's not a robot. In fact he often refers to things such as terminals and statusboards as if he were a common technician in his missions where you help him.

Some tribes believe peoples spirits return to the land when they die, would that not make them "of the land"?

Hey there,soy boy. Was wondering when you'd show up.

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'least it was before I fucked every 'thang up

What's your reasoning for that?

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I was defending house user

Why don't we discuss the moral complexities of Fallout 4 instead?

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Why is Todd obsessed with putting everything in his role playing game EXCEPT for actual role playing?

Todd has never played a tabletop game before.

I was just trying to join the conversation.

Except you're still wrong on the idea that the legion does not reject technology, they do, they use it against their enemies for convenience but that does not take away the fact that they shun it, making them inferior in terms of medicine and power.

Because using family to make the plot feel personal is the ultimate writer crutch for talentless fucks.

Again, unless you're a technophobic tribal nigger like the legion is, you'd have those advanced machining tools and would be making fresh syringes. Or at least be capable of taking & disinfecting pre-war syringes from drugs like psycho.

Only it does. And as pointed out earlier they also have no problem using an auto-doc or giving their stronger more proven solders tech. You're just factually wrong and don't understand the game. Play it again. The legion simply doesn't give out tech to everyone as a way to make people prove themselves before giving them tech. They shun some tech, but they absolutely embrace what is useful to them and it shows in the game. Go debate with the game if you feel so confident.

I regret not siding with House. This thread has convinced that all the other factions were clearly inferior.

No user, they'd be totally useless and any doctor would tell you that. That you can use them in the game is a gamification, it's not in any way meant to represent reality.

meant for

It's okay user

you can replay the game pretty easily

Have you considered the Father Elijah ending?

T H I S
when you can't write a good character, just make them be your son or dad or some shit

Sorry I'm not nearly as enlightened as you. But the legion ACTIVELY shuns technology, and there's proof for that. Caesar says that technology weakens humans and was responsible for the great war, he tells you this to your face. Did you even speak to him?

Our lives are controlled by something much more primal.
MEMES

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I did speak to him, and technology does weaken humans and did lead to the great war. Yet he's still using an autodoc and still giving technology to his higher level troops. Its almost as if your obsession over one line of dialogue leads to a lack of understanding of the larger scope of the game… I mean, feel free to explain to me then: if they shun technology so much they why do they use it? Also shunning something =/= forbidding it. I know this is a complex view so it's a lot to take in, but: The legion shuns some technology and embraces what makes them stronger.

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Did you even speak to him?

Because he's a hypocrite, and he will use technology if it gets him the upper hand. You're defending him for whatever reason, the shun of technology is part of their freaking philosophy, yet you treat it like it was an off hand comment from the Caesar himself.

This, he's a hypocrite.

That's fucking retarded. You know why militaries don't do that anymore? It's because teaching your soliders how to fight works much better than giving them a knife and telling them to go kill the enemy.

I did the exact same thing man. Even using a save editor I couldn't salvage my character from the radiation, I had to abandon that run entirely.

You're not the real Todd, I know he'd have my side.

The best way to play™.