Opinions on the first two Fallout games?

Fallout 2 is fucking great. Never played 1 but would highly recommend 2

You really should play 1, just note that there's no shoving, no take-all button, and no proper companion interface.

to be fair I was getting more into my music and getting out of games at the time but hell, I returned about 7 or so years later.

cannot get past the first mission

fuck.

Are you sure you didn't grow up with mobile "games"? FFS lockpick one of the doors, blow the other up with dynamite.

Plant the bomb, dork

I own 4 but not enough disk space atm.

I hope you patched the shit outta it, because otherwise you're gonna have a bad time.

what bomb?

nah I got my first gaming system in 1987, shitdick

oh yeah I got the fixit for 1.

How did you not learn how to play RPGs? Just follow along with this guide, because there's no way you'll complete it otherwise. user.tninet.se/~jyg699a/fallout2.html#temple

Can we just get a sticky on this damn game series yet? I hate seeing this particular thread at this point and a sticky of pros/cons would prevent it from constantly being remade. I've seen several "Fallout 1 or 2?" threads in the past 3-4 months that always end in the same answers anyway.

To answer you, my progress in 1 was halted after an exit point refused to spawn. 2 looks better, but I hear it is more shit somehow.

because when I was really into gaming I hated the genre.

when released, fallout 2's starting area was basically a hard check on melee skills, to the point where if you didn't have at least some proficiency with them chances were excellent you'd never get out. the speechcraft way out was also gated behind a prohibitively high speech check (as it should have been) so really your options for getting out of the temple were "stack melee" or "stack charisma/speech", and if you wanted to make a guns/throwing weapons/etc character you were fucked.

the game opens up quite a bit after that and gets better, and has a lot more to do and see than fallout 1, but that starting area leaves a bad taste in your mouth that for some people never goes away

heh

So the black-Friday deals are on for Fallout 1, 2 and tactics so I'm definitely thinking about getting it, or I might get that Mini-Nuke with all the different fallout games in it for Christmas.

In the mean time, what's your favorite armor?
pic related and suit-fu

Or you know, pirate 1, 2, and tactics and save the money for bills. Your money doesn't go to the original devs.

I also just recently played them for the first time. I liked the first one for awhile but the late game got pretty boring since I'd either steamroll any given fight or get one-shotted in the first round from a super mutant getting a crit, despite having 10 endurance and being in power armor.

I hated the second one though, the first one was mostly good because of how minimalistic it was, it didn't have much bloat and the writing was pretty grounded. Meanwhile the second is crammed full of shit and I wanted to stop even before I got the G.E.C.K.
While I'd normally want more content in a game like this, the content just wasn't good and the game had no focus. Also once I realized that there wasn't actually a time limit my opinion of it went even lower, the time limit was a big part of why the first game worked so well since it made you carefully consider your journey and plan out things, but in the second one the only reason to do that would be so you don't waste your own time.

Another important difference is in the main story, Fallout 1 doesn't have amazing writing by any means but the Master is pretty intriguing and so are the Brotherhood, with everything else being fairly consistent. In 2 the whole tribe thing is pretty awful and the Enclave are terribly generic villains. I was expecting there to be some big explanation of why they're so comically evil but they don't give anything satisfying.

Here's how I'd rank all the ones I've played so far now:
FNV > FROST F4 > DUST FNV > F1 > F2 > F4 > F3

Mega-overhaul mods that pretty much remove all NPCs and turn each game into a survival horror game set a couple years after the bombs dropped.

>giving (((zenimax))) money for shit they had nothing to do with
How about no. magnet:?xt=urn:btih:339de7ccb99bee88188d6295e28963c20822e4ca

this. you will only be lining todd's pockets if you pay for any fallout products at this point

Like other anons said, don't give those fucks your money.

I've always been a fan of the NCR Salvaged Power Armor. Sure it's heavy and has no servomotors to assist with movements, but the knights of old didn't need servomotors and neither should you.

Oh boy it's the F4 shill again.
Lemme fix that for you
1 > 2 > Tactics >>>>>>>> NV >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3 = 4
That sounds even worse than the vanilla game kek

No they just had horses.

But Tactics is 4/10 at best starting at St. Louis, briefly boosts back to 8/10 when you're fighting Reavers, and then plummets to 2/10 when you're fighting robots.

And it's somehow a more finished game with better combat than NV. But tbh I'd rather play JA2 over Tactics since Tactics is just a JA2 clone.

And NCR Heavy Troopers have guns.

And BoS has guns and powered armor

And that didn't help them very much the first time they fought the NCR, did it?

T-Thanks user.

Mostly because they were a perfect balance between strength, flexibility, and mobility. One of the best things FO4 did was show that it's a walking tank.
maybe with 10 STR :^)

They lost the same reason t*rks won irl

They lost because they're dumbasses who don't believe in recruiting new soldiers. Well the NCR does believe in recruiting new soldiers, and we saw what happened when those two philosophies go toe to toe.
Now the NCR has a shit ton of soldiers and heavily armored elites.

Good luck aiming with none of the electronics to assist you and with massive weights attached to your forearms. Have you ever pointed a rifle at something? Shits heavy on your left arm and adding 50 pounds of scrap metal is going to make your aim horrible. There is a reason armor gave way to firepower until you had microfusion packs that let you be a tank, the knights learned this lesson and now the NCR needs to relearn it.

It was the only reason it was a fight and not a slaughter considering the weight of the numbers the NCR brought to bear.

I wonder how a NCR civil war would play out?

That's why heavy troopers are equipped with miniguns and LMGs. You don't need to be accurate when you're sending a wall of lead down range. One of the 500 bullets you just shot is gonna hit something.

Well the buzzards wouldn't go hungry.
That would actually be a really interesting story though. A Fallout game set in California where you need to choose between two (or more) warring NCR factions.
Probably for the best, most of their talent has left.

The fact that FROST is notably better than vanilla is an insult to vanilla, thats why DUST was ranked lower than FNV.

I like wearing weird shit that doesn't really count as armor, this is what I'm wearing right now on a particularly evil character.

I also generally try to choose armor that matches the color scheme of whatever main weapon I'm using.

They suck dicks. Go out and play better games, faggot.

That's pretty cool looking user. Would look better without the pipboy, you should look into getting the pipboy 25000 mod.
What helmet is that? Salt-Upon-Wound's?

All Fallout games are good. Its just 4 is the weakest one it has hardly any quests. Its still good though.

Why not just wear mk2 combat armor and have the exact some protection without the malus to agility? Then that something you hit might actually be what you aimed at, plus you can carry more ammo because you didn't strap scrap metal to your body like some sort of savage trying to imitate the techno-gods he's intimidated by. Face it user, salvaged power armor a shit. If you want to wear it for style points, fine, just don't pretend its a sound decision.

It is.

You should look into a mod called blackjack's armors, it replaces a lot of vanilla armor and adds in a few custom ones. Gives Caesar a nice new outfit, changes the three fiends Major Dhatri assigns for you to kill for examples.

Good at what? Sucking dicks? Fuck off, nigger.

Yep, this was actually the first time I did the DLCs.

Joshua Graham was the only thing good about it other than that helmet.
Dead Money was great until the outro where they feel the need to hit you over the head with the theme by explicitly saying it 6 times in a row. The cheeky bit of presenting you with 37 gold bars that you can't take back and have to let go was pretty clever, and I liked all the characters.
Extremely creative and I loved the semi-twist at the end, but sometimes it felt like a slog since the enemies weren't much fun to fight. Mobius is now my favorite character in the series, which was previously Caesar.
Barely started it but I'm not liking it so far, it comes off as fanfic by making a big deal out of the courier thing. It feels like they did not plan any of this before the game was released and it shows. I think they came up with it sometime near the end of HH's development which is why they reference it in the other two DLCs but so far it feels unjustified. I won't be satisfied unless they have an justification as good as the one at the end of OWB.

Looks neat, thanks.

Because they'd have to buy that, the salvaged power armor was exactly that, salvaged. Why buy armor when you can get it for free via spoils of war?
lol. I forget, which faction was nearly wiped out and reduced to living in a hole in the ground? I think it starts with a B.
Nah, I still think its a totally legitimate form of protection from bullets. I will concede that it's fucking stupid that they stripped out the servomotors instead of spending the time to teach soldiers how to properly use power armor. All it would take is one guy who knows how to use power armor teaching a class of 30 or so guys. A platoon of soldiers wearing actual power armor would be much more useful than a platoon of soldiers in normal metal armor.
But the problem is where the hell do you find someone who knows how to operate power armor that isn't in the BoS or Enclave?

funny you mention NCR. I enjoy killing them in NV. trying to join Caesar's Legion. I hit the console to give me rep points to join them but they all but disappeared from their area. obviously this is gonna piss a lot of folks off but I see NCR as the Mary Sue faction in NV. anything to be a thorn in their side makes me happy. but I haven't seen a single Caesar's Legion member since first meeting them at their depot.

that's a pretty big word for a ten year old.

NCR is more like Mary sue IRL
completely incompetent and over-zealous

Apparently they are just laying around frozen in tubes.

They are good and require you to actually learn how to play them, unlike 90% of games today that are streamlined even if they aren't on consoles. People who dislike them tend to just suck at them and seek instant gratification from their games.

Maybe they thought you were too edgy for them and don't want to associate with you?

I find the 150 day time limit on fallout 1 and 2 to be the deal breaker. It forces you to find the fastest way to beat the game rather than play and explore it.

Anything but the Chinese Stealth Suit MKII is objectively shit.

Somewhat lean on content but the world design and progression is very good and everything ties together extremely nicely narratively. The game has some technical oversights which are infuriating however – it's possible to get stuck in one part of the game if you get a faction to help you because the NPC companions will block your path and it is impossible to get them to move without killing them and pointlessly ruining your reputation with said faction.

Has much more content and fixes the worst offending technical issues, however it suffers from a lack of cohesion in both design and narrative compared to the first, as well as a very questionable starting area as already mentioned in this thread. Fallout New Vegas is similar to 2.

It's plenty of time, and you can do things to buy more time. 2 didn't have a time limit.

I will never understand this argument and it annoys me every time it's brought up. First of all, 150 days is a fucking leisurely amount of time to retrieve the water chip. Second of all, it's the halfway point in the game, not the end. You have plenty of time to do shit after you complete that objective. You are a vagina and you convinced yourself you needed to hurry without properly keeping track of time.

You can do pretty much everything in the game in 150 days and make plenty of mistakes and inefficient routes along the way, the point of the time limit is to discourage you from making said mistakes in the same way that dying in an action game discourages you from making the mistake of getting hit. Git gud or git out.

I'm mid thirties too and I missed Fallout 1/2 and Arcanum, Gothic was on my radar and a great desire but my PC couldn't play it. Played Kain, Wolfenstien, Doom and Duke. Never heard of Blood, Shadow Warrior, Fallout(s), or other RPGs until sometime later. Those PC gaming mags and discs really led me astray.

well since I posted this got farther in F2. I mean what you guys said helped but I got the gist.

what does that make Caesar's Legion? side note: I also found out in a playthrough I forgot to raid the Vault before I ventured out into the desert on 1, those marauders are fucking annoying.

A bunch of stupid cosplayers.

Be sure to run the fuck away if you run into an encounter that looks dangerous at all. If it's several dudes with guns and all you have is a basic gun and no armor or a leather jacket, just hoof it. They have garbage aim and their chance to hit drops very sharply with distance.

I legitimately think Fallout 2 is a worse game than Fallout 3. Fallout 2 is a fucking meme game, literally pop culture references in every. single. fucking. area. Enemies spout 90s era memes, you walk into a town and the locals spout ye olde memes. You take a quest which it turns out was just a meme and when you try to refuse the meme it turns out that's a meme too. You take parts that are supposed to be serious and make them into stupid jokes. Hurr Mike Tyson bit your ear off, check out this companion called SKYNET aren't we original!? Fuck, every time I get to San Francisco I just about want to kill myself. A Scientology joke? A fucking Scientology joke? Just about the only thing that was a good joke was the porn studio and that made zero sense in the context of the world.

WHY ARE THEY MAKING PORNO FILMS IF NO ONE HAS ANY HOLOTAPE PLAYERS?
WHATS THE FUCKING POINT IN HAVING PORN WHEN YOU LIVE IN A LAWLESS LAND WHERE YOU CAN RAPE WITHOUT CONSEQUENCES
THERE'S LITERALLY A TOWN THAT'S WHOLE SHTICK IS SELLING SLAVES, THAT ARE PRIMARILY FOR SEX

And all of that shit would be fine if Fallout 2 actually added to the series but it doesn't. There's not a fucking thing that's different about it from Fallout 1 aside from worse writing. No new combat techniques, no new variations equipment-wise, no major improvements to quests aside from fixing the broken quest journal, not even improvements to the engine. It's a travesty that people only ever talk about because it's tangentially attached to Fallout 1, like a diseased Siamese twin that leeches off the healthier brother.

For as much completely deserved shit Fallout 3 gets heaped with, at least they decided on a tone and fucking stuck to it. You can include stupid jokes, Fallout 1 did it fine as did Fallout New Vegas, but don't make it the entire game. It feels like what would happen if Carlos made a fucking video game.

well that's rude.

I mean if cosplayers were a gang of serial murderers and genocidal maniacs maybe.

uh, are you okay there?

It wouldn't matter how serious they are, if you see a group of dude dressed up in sports gear that vaguely resembles roman armor IRL, you're gonna laugh.
That Caesar's New Regime mod is a must have for me, otherwise they're just a joke.

Nobody's gonna save your lame attempt at pasta tbh

but what about after he stabs or shoots you?

that's the whole point though, they're a crude imitation of the real deal. You're supposed to look at their ridiculous armor and look at them sideways. I've never cared for the Caesars legion because their writing was so fucking bad. But the one thing I've enjoyed is their armor because it shows a lot of effort. NCR is conformity, they wear the same uniform and carry the same service rifle. They're supposed to be like a modern army but they lack the cohesion and motivation. They're pretty weak.The legion is like makhno style anarchy. As long as you have the guts and a weapon you can be a legionnaire. They make their own armor for protection, and model off each other because it helps in a fight. It's sports equipment because that's what they have lying around. They carry all sorts of different guns because whatever works. And they like melee weapons not because they're savages, but because ammo is expensive and their quartermaster never has enough.They're strong not because of size or equipment, but because they want it more.

The legion is on to something, it's just the player never cares because the writers fucked up and wrote them as a generic bad guy. It reflects reality better in a shit world but it makes no sense for Caesar to show that side of his world to you. Fuck, they don't even look like they have a lot of cash so that's not really going for you either. Really you have no reason to side with them unless you just really hate people from Nevada.

Ulysses was supposed to be in the base game (was even on one of the cards in the collector's editions) He was supposed to play a big part with being a rival to you, always taking the opposite approach you did.

Side with Mr. House? Nah, NV needed to be free.
Side with Yes Man? Nah, you need the Structure that Mr. House provides.
Side with NCR? The legion makes sure all their people are save and secure (This was before the content cuts turned them into the evil enslavement faction).
Side with CL? NCR allows its people freedom.

But it all got cut and since they left a good chunk of stuff int he original game (Primm references and the entrance area to LR calling you out)

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I was with you right up until here. They absolutely are savages. Several members of the legion make reference to the use of melee weapons as both a rite of passage for recruits and a way of swinging your dick around, whereas I can't recall any of them using lack of resources as an excuse. The fact is they're stupid savages who shun advanced technology and medicine because of some nonsensical philosophical beliefs, leaving them with enough unused supplies to just give away to the player in crates.

I could see myself liking the legion more if they were better written, but they're not. The Legion is dumb as shit and so is anyone who sides with them.

I keep seeing this, but with no constructives. How would you improve NV’s story?

Make the factions more neutral. The NCR is pretty much the best written since it shows their good side and their bad side. House makes no fucking sense since independent Vegas offers more pros than cons. Independent sort of works but justification is weak since there's really no government. And the legion just fucking blows, nothing they do makes sense and at no point do they attempt to act like normal fucking human beings.

If they made the factions more level then it'd be perfect. I also thought the endings were ridiculous because they were so heavily slanted towards independent Vegas. If you do all the quests for the factions and do it right you get a super sappy sunshine ending where everyone's perfect, a complete mockery of reality. The NCR ending is again the best written. And if you ever thought the legion would redeem themselves when you see their rule take shape, the ending fucks that all up. Instead they just act exactly like you saw them act. It's retarded.

Not an argument.

Get off the internet.

Umm you do know you can search for shit right? Its in a fucking vace. Start searching in shit

If you wanted to save your village and have a "good" ending it did.

Huh, interestingly that sounds exactly like one of the biggest pieces of content cut from Dark Souls 1: Oscar of Astora, the knight who gives you the flask in the beginning, was supposed to be your rival and if you side with Frampt then he does the opposite and vice versa.

I don't understand the problems people have with the writing of the Legion, if you think they come off as generic evil dudes then you mustn't have talked to Caesar or at least not listened to what he said. They may not be an ideal faction, but Caesar himself said that the point is stability at all costs. This is a setting where traveling a fairly short distance between two settlements is extremely dangerous due to shit like raiders and mutants, this is no time for the ideals of democracy and freedom.
He's completely right that the NCR will inevitably fall. And while many claim that his Legion will fall when he dies, the reason for the whole Roman schtick is the concept of Pax Romana. He wants to unify people under a common goal independent of democracy, freedom, or even himself. He wants everyone in the Legion to be extremely nationalistic so that the state will never crumble on itself.

The best pro-Legion argument isn't even anything presented in the Legion but instead the NCR. The ways of the old world clearly don't work in the new one, if they did then the NCR wouldn't be such a corrupt mess. Its unfortunate that the Legion is the best stable solution given the violent means by which they take territory and absorb other factions, but those means are necessary. Caesar describes this better than I could when he talks about how the Legion first started. Power is the only thing anyone respects in a lawless setting like this, so power is the only way to ensure stability.

At the time the NCR was much more powerful and established than the Legion, they were the underdogs and what they were able to accomplish was quite impressive, though its unfortunate that to be consistent with his rule Caesar had to (attempt to) kill Joshua Graham.

tl;dr successful totalitarian nationalism > unsuccessful democratic republicanism
or reals > ideals

Use cheat engine then time limit pussy

i don't like turn based ocmbat
they would have been more fun if they had diablo combat

In the years they came out, they were practically a masterpiece. Nowadays? They're alright. Wish Underrail had speech checks and better writing.

That's actually a good point, the ending doesn't do them nearly enough justice but I've come to ignore the ending sequence of both the base game and the DLCs since I think leaving the effects of your actions ambiguous is much more interesting than explicitly saying what happens afterwards. I've been skipping it ever since my second playthrough.

Well for starters I'd have them remove their arbitrary ban on chems relating to modern medicine. I'm fine with them banning things like alcohol, psycho, jet, mentats, etc, but banning med-x and stimpaks is just a pointless handicap done for the sake of roleplaying as romans.

And instead of football pads and skirts, I'd have them capable of basic metallurgy. There's no reason they couldn't create simple forges to melt down and reforge all the scrap metal lying around into suitable armor.

Other than that, I don't have much trouble with them aside from not wanting to side with them because they're cartoonishly evil.

see though I'm too anti-establishmentarian to side with the NCR. I'll be real here, playing the asshole in video games has been my shtick for awhile.

Fuck off antifa scum.

Any video game developer that is chained to a publisher doesn't see a dime when you buy games. The people who actually make the game are paid a fixed wage to make the game. The only games you should consider buying if you only want to support devs are indie ones.

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The reasons for that was content being cut.

Originally the map was supposed to be 2x as big with East of the Colorado being completely controlled by the Legion and their being towns.

The legion would go into a town, recruit everyone with skills and throw any unskilled person into indentured servitude till they learned a skill. Because of their military size and the crucifixions, their lands were kept extremely safe (the brahmin trader at the entrance to the fort, still tells you this). The original player choice between NCR and the Legion for the player was freedom vs security. With NCR you had freedom to do just about anything, but weren't protected (Remember most of their questlines were about their forces being stretched thin) while with the Legion, you were giving up personal freedoms for security that you weren't going to get robbed, murdered, raped, etc.

But of course time constraints hit the legion, the bethesda wanted an evil faction, so Obsidian changed the indentured servitude into slaver, etc.

I'd have made the Legion sane. The brutality is fine. Worse shit happens in the Ukraine of Serbia today. Never mind what the natives do over in the Near East.

Their shunning of tech, however, is done incredibly poorly. First off, they're shone to be hypocrites as their Praetorians use tech weapons and I think medical tech too. Hell, one quest chain has you fixing up Caeser's autodoc.

I'd have shown them as being at post fall of Rome tech level. I.E. they can hand forge steel mail, iron and bronze cuirass, and work smaller steel tools. Show them as building up their land and developing it. The military camp settings were okish. I'd have based it off actual Roman camps, though. But, yeah, maybe have settlers/homesteaders under Legion control mention how they get manual tools, but of high quality. And that, yeah, shit's harsh, but they don't have to worry about mutants or raiders.

That too. I'd have had Legion parties actively hunting down the various nastys.

To finish off the tech, I'd have explicitly stated that they don't use tech they don't understand. But that Caesar actively has his people try and understand shit. You can keep them low tech, but with hope for the future. Rome was known for the qualities of its engineers and some of the earliest factory style complexes with regards to mass weapon and armor production. Roman's weren't 'low tech'. Never mind the fucking hexeremes and shit.

The NCR has a good, realistic portrayal. They're corrupt and fucked up, but built on good ideals. I'd have given us more quests that let the Courier put his people in charge and seize power in Nevada. Hell, we're told in canon the NCR only went to shit when Tandy died.

I'd have made House less Lawful Retarded. Actually made him charismatic and at least offer much, much bigger bribes. Like quest locked implants/perks/power armor. Fucker could afford SAMs, he can afford to give me a pimp plasma gun.

Independent would have either been you forging your own kingdom, or functional anarchy. Until you died, at least (a lvl 50 sum bitch with power armor makes a hell of a substitute for a government)

Mostly, I would have added in more in game consequences. Fluffed out a number of quests, and given you more missions to actually advances the borders of the various factions.

Fallout 2 is probably the best game in the series, it's certainly the biggest one. The amount of content and the unique style with it's dark humor and pop culture references to the brink is something newer games can't capture, mostly because Bethesda saved the franchise but turned into normalfag shit, but also because stuff like being able to kill children doesn't go well with modern games. The closest thing to the Classics is FNV, I consider it the "Real" Fallout 3. F3 is just a mish-mash of the first 2 games to relaunch the franchise and 4 is just tonnally inconsistent with the Falllout style if you ask me (The world is too colorfull).

I actually agree, personally. I know there was always a level of pop-culture referencing and social commentary in the first Fallout, but FO2 was what started the trend of "whacky humor" and just generally goofy shit that honestly just isn't funny and ruins the grim tone of things. Fallout 3 had a lot of stupid things, too many for me to be able to say it's better than 2 from a story and lore perspective. But the lazy referential humor and attempts to make the entire universe crazier and more off-the-wall are a fucking blight. They were a stain on 1, a cancer on 2, a blight on 3, and weak point of New Vegas even though New Vegas is my second favourite behind the first one.

I got both Fallout 1 and 2. So far from playing both of them there isn't that much of a difference in gamepaly and narrative. Not that this is a problem. I kinda like being put on a timer and have to scavenge the wasteland looking for the water chip/G.E.C.K. with the same gameplay philosophy. This, however only gets you so far. After your first playthrough, halfway the main quest is very easy to solve. Hell, I can find the water chip in ten minutes now that I know where to look. After you complete the necessary fetch quest the game opens up and you're free to do whatever the fuck you want without a timer ticking. There are a lot of hubs and town to visit, but not enough hostile zones (especially in the first game).

I think the first two games are really good, even if they feel short once you get your main quest toy. Play them if you're interested in the story and lore. The gameplay and character builds are better executed in NV. I'd say get them on GOG, but it's best to not give todd your shekels.

you sound like a shill. get out.

Some of the best rpgs. FO1 > FO2.

do you know what that word means or are you just parroting it in a vain attempt to fit in?

actually not ANTIFA at all. actually the opposite. IRL Fascist. but the more Socialist leaning kind.

fitting in is for gays.

I just fucking hate the NCR with a serious passion.

No, it fucking didn't. Don't speak if you don't know what you're talking about.

user there is something really off about your posts.
Are you retarded or something?

Meant for

C'mon, Fo3 just recycled the Enclave plot from Fo2, and I don't understand why you guys hate the wacky humor, I think it's pretty funny and doesn't take away from the experience too much.

I'm not a fan of the NCR either, I just thought their ending was more concise and down to earth than the others. The independent route is way too happy and the legion ending is fucking terrible. A good villain should be an adversary, they do things you might find questionable but they ultimately have a reason to do those things. You're opposing not them, but their ideas. The legion doesn't do this, instead they just kill and rape because that's fun I guess. Zero justification to destroy the major trading hubs of Nevada, instead they just kill everyone because they're dicks or something.

Novac's gone, Primm's gone, Goodspring's is gone, Nipton was trashed before you even fucking get there, Freeside's fucking toast, Khans got conned, and the strip is a ghost town now. Literally the only reason to take Nevada is the dam and the strip, and the legion destroys half of those things. There isn't a single town left when they move in and the ending doesn't really hint that they come back. I really have to question the caravanner you see at the fort since I assume the deceased make for poor trading partners.

That's what I'm saying, I wouldn't put FO3 above 2 necessarily, but I think 2 is definitely a much weaker note (in terms of world-building, writing, and tone) than 1. As for the humor, that's just personal taste. I know lots of folks love it, but I frankly can't stand it. It's rarely funny, much of it strikes me as just trying too hard to be either "random and whacky" or socially relevant. It takes me out of the experience and gives me tonal whiplash a lot of the time. Again, lots of people like that contrast between whacky and grim and that's fine, but I really do not care for it.

How exactly is the independent route happy?

THERE ARE XENOMORPHS IN MY FALLOUT
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

seriously what the fuck were they thinking. There are only a handful of good jokes in fallout 2 and i'm being generous. The marcus stuff was funny, the tribal stuff is funny, and the new reno stuff was funny. That's it. The rest of the jokes are big bang theory tier, just a reference with no point to it. Around the point they thought including herbert walker fucking bush in the game was probably the point where they should have put down the pipe and asked what the actual fuck they were thinking.

I get you now, I guess the first game really sets the tone for the franchise and the 2nd just goes nuts on that. Some love it like me, but I suppose it's not for everybody, and even though Fo3 is not my favourite, I admit it had character development, while Fo2 feels like a giant comedy skit.

Chris Avellone admitted to FO2 being a mess and that it should've had a creative director.

Its all about how you feel you save village at end of game you feel better cause you saved your village.

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Kinda like beating Skyrim but not doing any side quests, did you really beat the game then?
Game ain't beaten till everything is done, end game and credits don't mean shit to me. All tho when I beat fo3 didn't feel like I beat it cause you die

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It's boomer posting lite.

I grew up with PC RPGs but largely lost interest when the "genre" started going isometric. I did not finally play the original two Fallout games until a few years ago. So know that my analysis isn't tainted by nostalgia.

It is no exaggeration to say that the gameplay in Fallout 1 and 2 is flawed on a fundamental level.

At their core, these games are obsessed with the tabletop dice roll mechanic to a fault. Nearly everything that has a vague skill check has a randomized chance of success. This would be fine if you couldn't completely fuck yourself over, but sadly the developers got some sort of sadistic thrill with enemy critical hits. The result is that you end up savescumming for damn near everything because you never know when you're going to run into a lucky enemy with a burst fire weapon or some shit that will get a critical hit on you and instantly end your game regardless of how much you've pumped into your hit points or how good the armor you're wearing is. This has a very detrimental effect on all the other skill check mechanics because there's seemingly no point in putting a ton of skill points into a lot of things for the mere chance of higher success when you're saving and reloading throughout the whole game anyway no matter what you do.

Moving on, the games have fucking awful click-to-move controls and a terrible interface. Fallout 2 improved on the first's interface a bit to be fair, but it's still pretty damn embarrassing that they couldn't think up better, less tedious ways to go about picking up and using items or bartering.

Finally, both games are so ridiculously ridden with bugs and unfinished or unrefined material that they undermine huge aspects of the gameplay such as ammo choice considerations or what endings you're not going to try and play for because the damn ending scripts don't even work properly.

It fucking blows my mind how short on mainline content and buggy and unfinished both of these games are, especially the first game, when they had the money to pay all these voice actors. I look at a ridiculously huge and satisfying RPG from a similar time frame like Exile III released only a few years before them and made by a single guy in his garage and it's just hard to articulate the disparity. What in the actual fuck happened to PC RPGs when developers switched to isometry in the late '90s?

One more thing, the Fallout games are so short and easy to actually beat that they have this dissonance going on where, while they have a fair amount of character-building side quests to do (okay, the first game really has jack and shit), they amount to very little in the end because there's no real incentive to do them except for completionism's sake. The reason you do optional questing in any character-building game is to find dank loot or gear or level up in order to make your character more powerful. In other words, to build your character. However, this only matters when there's an actual reason to build your character. Beating Fallout 1 and 2 is such an utterly trivial feat and the level up system outside Perks is so pointless that there is effectively very little reason to do much of any character building in them. The side content essentially just exists for its own sake.

Majora's Mask is a game with a very similar problem, though not nearly as broken as the Fallout games.

You can also simply steal the key from the guard without too much trouble. Granted, stealing can fail even if you started with the highest possible %, but you're going to be savescumming in the game eventually anyway. And if my memory is correct, you can simply run away if the theft fails and once you're far enough away you can come back and try it again without being attacked.

Do they really? These games practically mandate savescumming due to their critical hit systems that can guarantee a random Game Over at various times. The entire central game mechanic wherein the success of every Skill is determined by some % probability is undermined completely by this fact. It saps out most of the meaning or satisfaction towards putting thought into how you spend your skill points. It's impossible to be shit at Fallout because there's no fucking skill to test in the games in the first place. And all that is aside to the measly amount of largely trivial mandatory content each game actually requires you to complete anyway.

You got proof to back up your claim? I never really found any bugs in the game other than one at some cave that the screen won't scroll all the way to the right. Fallout NV sucks ass, very few quest to do considering how big the map is, and if you join boomers or anyone bad how the fuck does ncr know this???????? At least in fallout 2 the slavers put a tattoo on your forehead which is why everyone knows your bad. New games are rushed far too much which just leads to shit story line shit game play(I honestly can't say how many hours of gameplay I've lost in fo nv cause I was walking on a rock and some how got stuck on it, says can't fast travel in mid air, can't save in mid air.). Oh and that cave I said was bugged, turns out there was nothing in there anyways.

you need to be +18 to post here

I did rather appreciate the new unarmed combat variety in 2 actually.

No, there's definitely a few. Inventory management is easier in 2 and they got rid of the bug in 1 that made all bullet types act the same.

It's too late for OP, but for other anons, note the following:
DO NOT GIVE ZENIMAX MEDIA INC. YOUR MONEY LIKE THIS

Several of these posts lead me to believe we're being raided or something

Go ahead and point a couple out.

Go fuck yourself.

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No user, go fuck yourself.

Yeah I'd say you're spot on.
Eurotime is worst time.

OK we are being raided.

That about summarizes everything that can be said about those games.

They are hardly the cancer of the video game industry. EA has that term copyrighted so Zenimax cant use it user.

You can have more than one kind of cancer.

But Activision own all the rest.

That image is especially disturbing because you can see those shards growing inside his eye socket. Must have gone blind in that eye before finally dying

I mentioned a couple right in the post. But here's some more. Fallout 1 has this bug where if you try to carry too much stuff around you'll cause this situation where interface graphics will start to fail to load and eventually cause instability and (so I've read anyway) can even corrupt your save. Fallout 2 fixes this bug but it has some sort of other problem if I remember right that happens if you load up too much crap in your car trunk. Fallout 2 has massive stability problems on San Francisco for whatever reason that cause the game to slow to a crawl at times.

Hell, the first game has one of the most exploitable bugs where you can simply hold the combat key after exiting combat and it will immediately start combat back up again, basically allowed you to run from any combat.

Here's a reference about that ammo bug in the first game:
archive.fo/fQjwD

Just bought NV. Never played Fallout before, what am I in for?

They should have put him out of his misery

Post-post-nuclear wild west with semi-believable factions and freedom of choice is what comes off the top of my head
Dialogue changes depending on your whole set of skills, not just on how good you are at talking

Don't you mean Dan Quayle? Dick Richardson played more on the Nixon memes.

that's pretty insulting considering boomers hate me for shitting on their "greatest ally" constantly.

how is that even possible?

no, although objectively speaking being retarded is infinitely better than being a nigger, a jew or woman. that's the final word on the matter.

EA is more like video game AIDS, if you want to be really specific.

Install this mod:
falloutmods.wikia.com/wiki/MIB88_Megamod
falloutmods.wikia.com/wiki/Megamod_Guide
if you suck so much.

No they didn't. Fallout 3 was supposedly going to be set slightly after the bombs, but got changed late into development. That's why there's unspoiled food everywhere.

the violence gives me a boner
some of the best gore in all of video games

I thought the exact same thing when looking at that. Can you even begin to imagine the pone of those crystalline spikes jabbing into your eye? Or the feeling off all that shit underneath his skin? What a way to go.

I dropped by just to insult you.

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You're trying way too hard to fit in here.

Nice refutation NCRcuck.

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He's right, though.

god I wish we never took in Holla Forums

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You have redeemed yourself.

graphically yes, otherwise that game was such a huge piece of shit.

Confirmed for not knowing shit. The armor does have an air conditioning unit added by NCR engineers.

Get the fuck out.

Not gonna deny the fact I was planning on buying it, but another user gifted me the magnet for the three so I don't have to.
But holy fucking dogshit calm down with the green-texting, it makes your post incomprehensible especially when typing to more than two people.

I like the NCR because I enjoy the idea of rebuilding America from the ground up, as farmers and soldiers, not some tribal shits or some souped up power armor wearing knights.

Shame you're rebuilding weimerica, then.
Enjoy your taxation with no representation.

I was too young to have played them at release, and I enjoyed them. It comes down to whether or not you enjoy that style of turn based combat, and whether you can handle some slightly archaic interfaces.

The only other choices are retarded tyrants who will just keep humanity in the dark ages, since the Enclave got blown up by some asshole tribal the NCR is the last great hope of humanity.

Very enjoyable, comfy games.

Yeah, nah. House was the only sensible answer, but barring that, even Caesar would have been a better choice.

House was so good, they had to write in murdering him for NCR as the only option he could have been convinced to annexation and becoming NCR citizen, and add the quest to blowup brotherhood of LARP

Both House and Caesar have the problem that once they are dead their empires will fall like a house of cards unless they have a right-hand man (courier) who will support their ideals.

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Wew

You are fucking queer.

The board's been dropping in quality since 2015 and took a nosedive after NeoFAG imploded, so it's not much of a surprise.

Whether he lives for 1 year or 100 after the events of New Vegas unless he finds a way to upload himself into a robot or some other shit he is going to die. Lounging around in that chamber of his is only him buying time.

Thanks for your thoughts, Todd.

Quality argument.

You got a few extra chromosomes laying around I see.

Dude your talking to someone who has done every quest searched where and beat the game 100% then after that I used cheat engine to push everything as far as I could. Like I said be for the only bug I found in the whole fucking game was a cave that had a scrolling problem where I couldn't see the whole cave, no big deal cause after I added a patch for the game for textures and other stuff it worked fine, and there was nothing in there but scorpions. One other error I found that happened every time I maxed my stats with cheat engine the game would crash as soon as I got to kalamith or how ever you spell it. That's it, and is like to point this out

That's no big deal compared to this bug with NV

1 is better than 2 in terms of RP (writing, world), 2 improved gameplay a bit (particularly by making it a lot harder to fuck yourself with a shitty build).

I said best written you moron, I don't like the NCRs practices in the game. Honestly from a philosophical standpoint I didn't like hardly any of the factions, but mr. houses ideas made the most sense. The legion is just an absolute shitshow though, especially since they cut out everything that made them human.

Goddamn you're fucking brainless. I said best ending in terms of quality of life. Watch the ending for an independent Vegas, assuming you do all the quests it's the most saccharine bullshit ever. Everyone does perfectly and sing kumbaya around the fire.

First one was amazing in every way, second is le pop culture references, the video game.
It only got worse from there.

Referencing A boy and his dog where they go and watch stag films

shit movie btw

They're not savages they just have a belief that advanced technology weakens mankind and that it should either be used as little as possible (ie in extreme emergencies or if someone is worthy of use) or it should be banned to prevent weakness.

It's a simple concept you'd understand it if you weren't retarded

I don't know what to tell you, I've 100%'d these games too and tried to find ways to replay them. Maybe I'm just more perceptive or better at deconstructing games than other people (this admittedly is sometimes true). But I noticed quite a lot of bugs in both games, I'm sorry you missed them. In all your playthroughs of the game, have you really never experienced slowdown/stability problems on San Franscisco? That one is a fairly common occurrence for me. The docks and main town area are the two really problematic maps in particular.

Here's another one if my memory is correct: If you knock down opponents in the Lo Pan/Dragon fights in San Francisco and they get up on the same turn that a win is declared, they won't be properly removed from the arena and you'll have to fight them alongside the next opponent. It's pretty easy to do this actually; in fact it comes naturally if you're taking advantage of targeted attacks like you should be in unarmed combat. There's also a way to trap yourself in the ring in both this and the New Reno boxing matches if I remember right. The scripting for both of these events is balls.

New Vegas is fucking horrible, I can't understand the appeal at all.

fallout 1 is impossibly hard

off topic but I thought the movie was really good because it captured a sort of bleakness of the apocalypse that I haven't seen in any other piece of media besides maybe the road, and that was a pile of dogshit. It didn't shy away from stuff like rape and had those nice little nods like the guard who's illiterate. The stag films are probably scavenged by the way and not filmed. I doubt a society where most people aren't literate and food is used as a currency would have much time to make titty flicks.

The third act really broke down since the underground society isn't explained very well and the ending was really fucking corny and stupid. I don't need a talking dog to make puns about cannibalism, it just ruins the mood. But on the other hand it does reflect that society has broken down to such a point that cannibalism isn't even seen as that "out there" of a concept. The book explained everything much better, but comparing a movie to a book isn't very fair. I think it works but it has a few issues. The influence it had on fallout is undeniable though.

fallout 1 is impossibly easy

this is mostly going off my memory, I might have some shit out of order

I disliked it because the focus on sex seemed too 70s for me making it feel like a stupid sexploitation film. There are two great parts of the movie the first being the screamers and the second being just after the girl runs away from him and the Dog is trying to get him to not follow her.

Also the Road is great film being ultra-bleak but I would say ruined by having a happy ending.

put all your points in LUCK

I suggest you check out Threads, that one is quite a bit bleaker than The Road

What visual mods are you using?

And in F2 that limit is laughably easy if you get the car fast enough. I usually had the first vision from the shaman that time is running out and then have skipped to getting G.EC.K. (the last vision) not long after that, bypassing two other visions. From that point you have no time limit beyond the 9 years before the game shits itself (if I remember right).

Thank bethesda. One of the things that was cut was a town behind legion lines, where you could see people walking around going about their day to day lives without fear of being attacked, so as a result all you ever see of legion is the military side.

You're obviously wrong. FO2's theme and direction are shit and all over the place but it has many well done quests, options and a lot of content.
FO3 is shit at everything. Everything.

Second game has better gameplay.
First has better much writing.

I prefer the first

Did you killed Caesar during the tumor operation or something? Is normal for the legion to kill everyone they see because is fucking Lanius the one is giving those orders. Caesar just forces the New Vegas Population into his faction as slaves, the old man even shows some respect his past colleagues from the Followers of the Apocalypse and give then a safe passage out of New Vegas and the Mojave. Novac fall because they keep opposing the legion and so the Kings and the brotherhood of steel. Most people in Goodsprings ran away for fear of the legion and the people at Primm (if they never got a sheriff) just got taken into the legion to expand their trade routes. The Khans were to high and dumb too see how the legion keeps destroying tribes and assimilating their people into the faction, those junkies just wanted to destroy the NCR for the massacre at bitter springs.

Fuck. I should probably avoid these threads until I get further in the game.

Are you retarded?
That's literally in the tutorial.

They are talking about the beginning of FO2.
Also
lmoa

Plasma rifles were pretty cool in 3. That's really all I can think of.

Post more Vault girl art. even Shadman

Personally, I found House to be the only one with a Clue. Once the scrap runs out, Humanity would be truly fucked or at best regress to a permanently agrarian society.

He's the only one with a Longterm plan to do anything with Humanity.

It was novel to see the Fallout universe in full 3D for the first. New Vegas makes 3 totally obsolete though. No reason to go back to that game at all now.

The Legion's central theme is self-reliance, you brainlet. Creating medicine is relatively hard to do opposed to teaching your soldiers to be a self-sufficient army that knows how to scavenge for food, create equipment from scrap, and harvest the appropriate herbs meant for the treatment of wounds/diseases. Caesar all but tells you that his vision of rebuilding the world would require a "from-the-ground-up" approach, basing it off his experience in the NCR – which is a post-post apocalyptic oligarchy rife with corruption and inefficiency, which does not have the cultural and political knowledge to successfully establish a representative democracy - as they claim to be - or the technical and scientific means to ensure their existence in the long run. You can salvage and repair the same old toys a few hundred times, and you can copy the same old books a few hundred times, but if your entire civilization is built off of leeching from the ever-deminishing accomplishments of the old world, then you've effectively confined yourself to a limited shelf-life.

I've played the first fallout through and I think it's quite nice game but I've never been able to get far in Fallout 2. Somehow the early game just bores me to death. The tutorial in the temple is bullshit, the tribesmen are annoying and that wannabe jamaican "me and I" guy is annoying. Then when I read online that it's full of shitty pop culture references it makes me question whether I should even bother with it so I haven't.

and it shows lol

I think people exaggerate slightly just how full of pop culture references it is. It's mostly random encounters out in the desert like this thing. It's not like the memes really intrude on the main plot or anything. I also think some of them are quite fun. I don't really get the rage over having an easter egg here and there. Seems like it's mostly just the cool thing to complain about "pop culture references" these days.

Fallout 1 is a great game and a classic for a reason. Fallout 2 is a good game hampered by being the Memelands of it's time, almost everything is a joke or reference to something else, and it is really fucking grating.

Alright you miserable faggots, can we at least agree that Fallout 4 is better than 3?

I'll tell you when I play it. Nothing about that game looked appealing.

Not enough games let you melt people.

The gunplay is better, everything else is worse.

Depends what exactly you're talking about.
The shooter aspect is undeniably better, but the dialogue, quests and effectively everything else is worse.
Except dem robot tittes
Damn
Look at those babies

Classic Fallout threads, and by extension, CRPG threads really do a good job showing how 8/v/ is barely above reddit in terms of taste/powerlevel. Good fucking lord.

I'm sure you'd know from experience :^)

Tell us about your amazing taste, if you're so great.

youtube.com/watch?v=UWPe7hrEZhI

Yes. I would actually consider it a pretty good game if they expanded the weapon list. I mean why the fuck would you bother changing how the gunplay works while having like 4 guns in the entire game?

If I remember right you can also skip all of them if you don't want to encounter them.

No, no. jamaican Lyaric uses uses I and Patwah only uses me. Its a sociological aspect of post slavery/colonialism culture.
The difference between me and I is more significant then people think, me is the self as an object where as I is the self as the subject.
In Patwah the word I and Me are the same word of "mi" pronounced me. This is a direct result of the language having been developed by slaves who were conditioned and raised as object and not subjects.
Lyaric however reject the use of the word me and instead only uses the word I as a means of reclaiming the self as a subject rather then an object that can be owned, bought, or sold. Lraric is very much similar to Korean Hangul in that that the language was influenced by a rejection of colonialism.

pick one

This is now a designated Midwestern Brother of Steel thread, have you killed any muties as of late?

*Brotherhood

I am so mad now.

Thanks for making me think of Powder Gangers in a jeep attacking a BoS paladin with a baseball bat.

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For you.

Bump

When I first played them I found them incredible.
I have no desire to replay it.
It's like this with every game I liked.

Its absolutely worse than Fallout 3. At least in Fallout 3 your character didn't talk.

So the shotgun marriage in Modoc and all the ways to abuse 'your other half' including liquor fueled divorce in New Reno weren't good jokes?

fuck that, i was still able to take all the bars. killed everything in my path too. the hell with obsidian trying to teach me some bullshit morality tale about greed. i'm at a fucking casino in a fight for my life, you damn right i'm escaping with a fortune.

>WEEEEL HE AIN'T MY BOY BUT THE BROTHERHOOD OF STEEL IS HEAVY

This tbh

Wasn't all of the DLC for new Vegas cut content from the base game, except for old world blues?

Also, i remember you can no-clip in to the happy trails caravan cave in the base game.

probably, given that you can reach each exit area in the base game and it tells you to fuck off if you don't have the dlc (it said this before they were patched in too btw).

Or you could just not be retarded and unequip the spear if you didn't tag melee weapons since you start with like 56% unarmed no matter what.

Get brock flower and xander root and put it into syringe. Wow so hard.

This, temple of trials wasn't that bad. You can even run past/away from most of the bugs. So really, only the tribal you have to talk or punch to death.

Or steal from.

I believe it's 12 years. There's even a cutscene for when that happens.

I didn't even know that.

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Okay so I just got fallout last week.

Is there a way to make this look less ugly? Like graphics mods or something? The game seems okayish but holy fuck it is eye raping and everyone looks like they have that Maisie disease.

check out NMA for mods

Sorry I forgot to type New Vegas

in that case you'll want the nexus

Okay so which of the thousands of mods will make everyone not look like inbred mullato amerimutts? I aint going to get anywhere in this game if I kill all these cutdicked niggers everytime I see them.

you'll want the ENB/visuals category, that type of shit.

There are dozens of guides that will hold your hand through every step of the process without you shitting up the board.

t. brainlet
It's about letting go of Fallout

Nigger you people are Holla Forums tier and you know it. Now stop acting like a Holla Forumsyp and give me shit.

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