"YouTube culture" is turning kids against "art games"

Games are an artistic medium, it's just that these days there are people who confuse art with abstract 2deep4u hipster bullshit because we live in an age where modern art is taken seriously instead of thrown in a garbage can. There is art in writing, in visuals, in music, in the elegance of code optimization, and so there is art in vidya. It's just not what (((Games Journalists))) think it is.

Why do hipsters think that games are art?

faggy walking simulators with no gameplay, gone home and the likes

You're not wrong but honestly who gives a shit if it's considered art or not. It's just people who want their hobbies to be considered as more than just toys for grown ups (or not).

All games are art. When people say "games aren't art" or "this game isn't art" what they mean is that it's not meaningful or that it's shitty art. From what I gathered from the article it sounds like this guy is just butthurt that people rightfully don't like his dogshit game. It's literally just him whining.

Pretentious hipster games.

No, games use art to create their world, stories, etc.
But if they game itself claims to be """art"""" then you know it is a pile of trash only meant for discarding.

a low-effort scam

ne'er e'er

This fucking guy.

Post the full picture user.

I wonder why?

Because they saw their older brothers become pozzed and swung hard the other way?

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Pretentious Hipster shit.

Well, they need to justify insane speculation for toys somehow.

Its the games journalist as well. They are that one guy who didn't find a Job and then somehow ended up in a gaming outlet. Since they are jelly of the "real" subjects let's not kid ourselves. They are all hacks in all fields, the got the crack pot idea of fixing the public image of vidya itself. Thank God it backfired thanks to a certain sex scandal.

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Holla Forums was right again

youtube.com/watch?v=o-VbtnSaYMs

Poignant to the topic at hand. Artists of old spent their entire lives working on the things they did.
The Da'Vinci's etc of old lived in shitty tenements like a slave at times to finish their projects spanning over their lives and lives of other.

In short, the best art has already been made, and unless your willing to dedicate your life to the craft, you will never match up. All your going to be is a glorified Deviant Artist making Anthony Burch tier characters for ever.

HOW FUCKING DARE THE GOYIM LAUGH AT MY ART
THIS IS A TOTAL HOLOCAUST

Any of you actually read the article? This faggot straight up admits his "game" is just a shitty zine about all kinds of pretentious shit and even repeatedly refers to it as a " "game" " while admitting that only hipster journos appreciate his navel gazing.. and then he goes on to blame youtube instead of himself for trying to sell a zine to people who want games.

A game with no actual gameplay made for the sole purpose of pushing a shitty "message" or to "make the player think".

I once made a gay little interactive story in sugarcube. Am I an artist?

Pure coinkidink

Every single time without fail.

Its getting to the point a poster on Holla Forums could make up something so utterly ridiculous, so braindead stupid that 3 months later will turn out to be true.

God bless Holla Forums

I looked at his twitter (@alienmelon) and wouldn't you know, the guy is a complete SJW.

wot

I dont get it, vidya is just a medium like any other

I still have my old Earthbound cart
It got scribbled all over with marker by my brother so it's worthless now

these people are even more retarded than I thought
is there a limit to their retardation

t. Wikipedia

So lets say I made an interactive dice roller/interactive visual novel about the life of Randy Stair.
Am I an artist now?

No, there isn't a limit to their retardation.

As long as you're part of the indie clique, everything you make is an art game.

It could be

for what fucking purpose

Let me post a few games I consider to be works of great art, but ones I've never seen pushed as such.

Yeah, I know. Meme away. But the game is wonderfully designed to feel just hard enough to be overcome for a strong catharsis. I feel it's artistic simply on the merit of how the world is put together, how your understanding of it grows naturally over time without needing to be shoved hard into your face. It's a work of art in the sense of making you feel strong, capable, and yet also weak and underequipped, leading to a strong sense of underdog achievement.

Holy shit I have never felt more immersed in a game than playing this series. Everything about a hunt feels tense and dangerous. You never truly feel safe, even a Great Maccao or Jaggi can fuck your shit well into your 3-star hunts. The monsters feel like a natural part of the environment and the areas feel like an actual ecosystem. The game has an elegant, if slow, progression that is both from mechanical upgrades like better equipment to personal growth from learning how each monster fights.
Defeating your first large hunt is a feeling I've never had in any other game. Every single victory feels earned in a very powerful way, and that in and of itself is an artistic achievement.

Art doesn't just mean pushing a message, or looking nice, or being profound with words. It means creating emotion, sharing your own, and expanding the horizons of those that experience it. 'Art' is not a moniker of something great - there is shitty art, mediocre art, etc. Anything made simply for enjoyment and not for practical purpose is art - this is why sometimes cooking can be art - and videogames definitely fall into this. There's no real good argument against this definition, because any argument that games are not art leads to pushing out some other medium if you were to apply those standards to all art. Just because it's made for-profit doesn't mean it's not art, else movies, commissioned paintings/drawings aren't art. Just because it's made by a team or from multiple mediums doesn't mean it's not art, else (again) movies and animations could never be art. Just because it's enjoyable and fun to experience… I could go on and on.

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From the "game"

This comedy writes itself.

Is it art?
files.catbox.moe/bqcep9.rar

While I play the new ones, I can appreciate the older ones as well. Granted, I prefer the more smooth newer games, but I've played and gotten to 3-star hunts in the first game, because I make an effort to look into any game's previous iterations after I hop into a series late. Did the same shit with Witcher, Senran, etc.

no thats probably dolphin porn

This cant be real. What is this ?

The problem isn't with games being art or not. It's with these pretentious fucktards' definition of "art".

Walking simulators about LGBTBBQ people.

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Games can be more than art. They can also impart feelings and provide experiences that other mediums cannot.

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I consider Shatterhand and Gimmick to be art.

Is this art?
files.catbox.moe/idj97l.nes

it's an NES game. It's instantly art.

I would actually welcome the inclusion of video games into the arts alongside literature and music and so on, but I don't want it to be under the auspices of people who think a woman jamming cans of Spaghetti-Os up her cunt is art.

They may as well say "YouTube culture" is turning kids against "post modern art"

Kids will stand in awe in front of actually beautiful art, they will naturally be captivated, but they'll be like "wtf is this?" and move on for random paintbrushes with some shit smeared next to it. Kids inherently understand value and beauty because it's something that's part of our biology, they have to be indoctrinated to believe that what is ugly actually has value, or even more value than what is actually beautiful.

The same goes with games. Kids know what game is boring and what's fun.

And the same with stories they know what they like and what's a snooze fest.

I recommend you guys actually read this article.
It's mostly him whining about people not liking "alt-games", but he's being vague by what that means.

Sorry, it's a gurrrl behind this tripe.

They are limited due to their lack of interactivity.

I'll believe it when I see "her" cunt.

In any event, I know what the article said, and it's retarded shit that I expect out of VB. I'm not interested in talking about it, it's a waste of fucking time and it'll just make me angry. But talking about whether video games are seriously, truly art and not shitty fucking modern "art" is an interesting conversation.

No they don't. Kids play the first level of game, dying over and over while having no clue what to do. Kids follow walkthroughs step by step for the entire game, doing nothing on their own. Kids play minecraft. Kids use cheatcodes to skip every single level in the game. Kids watch games youtube and twitch. Kids are fucking retarded.

leftists need to be killed

Like one of those art paintings.

Fucking sick of the "putting the alt- prefix on everything" meme.

u cheeky git

Tension is a good example. Especially the type that occurs from being overwhelmed or low on resources.

the article would've been fine if the point was that you should treat "art games" differently than "video games", and have appropriate conventions/meetups for either so people aren't bamboozled into having to deal with "experimental art game" bullshit at a vidya convention.
but instead she went on an autistic rant against youtubers for some reason so i'm not sure where that leaves it.

The closest thing any game has got to this was killing the boss in MGS3 and even then no other game has really impacted you in a meaningful way through gameplay.

Good riddance i had no cheats or guides when i was a kid to actually enjoy fucking video games. The only thing i had were word of mouth, gaming magazines and very rare tv shows.

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Every single line in that article is doing a wonderful job of pissing me the fuck off.
Different is not better. Your brand of "different" is the active deconstruction and destruction of the medium. Literally making things worse for everybody that isn't in your clique.
No, you don't get to control what people think of your game. You interact with your audience and try to present a better product. I'm surprised she's intelligent enough to know how to write.

No, many kids have been indoctrinated to be like that.

Kids are naturally inquisitive and willing to explore and play and learn.

A kid doesn't cry when it falls over until it is taught to cry when it falls over.

Women in gaming were a mistake.

That's called learning you fucking asshole.
Kids are kids. And you're a piece of shit.
I don't even like kids.

That just means that the gameplay is good enough for the kid to replay it. If the game was boring then the kid would drop it and do something else.
Of course that was before the internet age, children now a days are dumb as a fucking brick.

Women have been in gaming as a minority from the start.

How about women and kikes.

Fuck off (((MGTOW))), i used to play with my girlfriends all the time.

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If we get rid of the jews the women will follow, and then the casuals too

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Not really. With technology and the internet people learn faster than before.

Dude, you're fucking sad.

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Did the article blame Gamergate and Donald trump

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No. Just kikes.

I bet they beat your ass at them to you bitch. :^)

This. But a video game.

captcha had fbi in it

I wonder if that cake tastes good.

Unless you're telling me an artworks worth is only determined by it's selling value then I guess it makes more sense.

It probably tastes like famine and black guy.

No, it's an alt-cake.

Jesus, dude. You smell like mommy issues.

What a complete kike. I find it hilarious that this person loved the journalists but suddenly couldn't take actual criticism and ran away.

I bet the icing is store bought and the cake is dry as shit.

people get to mount stupid faster than ever, it's just they blockade themselves from getting better

We know Jews ruin shit. We know. We also know that women ruin shit regardless of the presence of a Jew. Women are fucking incurable philistines and Schopenhauer was right and you damn well know it. Women can cook, but men are better chefs, better artists of the culinary sort. Women can sing prettily, but men are better musicians. Women at BEST imitate, at WORST corrupt arts they endeavor to become a part of. They are risk averse by nature and thus almost never do anything daring or interesting. Outliers exist, but by and large they are as Schopenhauer described.

makes me think of the alt-kike for some reason

The whole fucking cake is store bought.

so not games? is that what he wants to say? he wants people to like not-games?

Woman are basically a canvas, one that is ver sucesptable
And right now the canvas is smeared with shit in some faggy art project and it's not clear on how to get it out

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Women smeared themselves with shit because they successfully made everyone else too afraid to say "Ma'am, stop smearing yourself with shit". They smeared themselves with shit because they're fucking dumb.

he's eating it from within one cake at a time

I guess we should blame the whites for California getting as bad as it is if we are going to use your logic.

And if we didn't have the jew going on and on about feminism women would be perfectly OK with staying home or choose more feminine careers, except those outliers you mentioned. Trying to get to women before jews is putting the horse before the cart.

Artificial wombs when?

So is this the Trad Art VS Abstracted Art debate again?
Traditional art is still right in the end "People can take pictures now" is not an excuse to draw worse

Fucking jews, this tranny crafted the article just to get shekels and PR.

Because of the Jew you retard
You blame a cattle for getting into a bandit's wagon while ignoring the herder that got the cattle in, in the first place

Was Susan B. Anthony a kike? Was Elizabeth Cady Stanton a kike? Were the Wilsons kikes? Were the cunts responsible for the White Feather scandal kikes? Kikes are responsible for a lot of shit but sooner or later you're going to have to own up to the fact that women are fucking dumb and ruin shit unless they are kept firmly under thumb.

Not soon enough.

honestly it's jarring to see kosher as well as goy when it's used, by them rather than us

The first sentence in the article is mentioning her game. I have no idea how you would think this article could unfold.

Certain british people love to repeat the word "kosher" over and over again, when they see something worth of approve.

While he's still seems kind of new to the series, I feel he is correct on the whole for the series being art through its struggle and immersion. I remember back on the PS2 with the first Monster Hunter and having my adrenaline pumping when I did the first egg hunt as a young kid. Trying to slowly crawl down the mountain while the Rathlos shot fireballs like they were going out of style. Or when the you finally had to hunt the Rathlos the Elder was telling you was too strong back then. I remember hours of trying and failing, before I realized finally that there was no shame in bringing out all the stops for this hunt. I slowly learned how to avoid his attacks, built pitfalls and barrel bombs, all to finally down this thing. The sense of accomplishment for younger me was something else. just a shame my memory card got stolen a little while later. I think it does mean a lot in how well a game does to have you go through all that, teaching you it's good to make mistakes when you learn from them, when you do a mission to build yourself up for the bigger things, to put yourself or your group up against things far bigger than yourself and to come out on top. I think video games aren't art because they send a message. I think it's the journey that happens as you play. And I use the term play, not FUCKING WALK YOU GOD DAMNED HIPSTERS. But I think the philosophy of form following function should be first and foremost with games. Have your game be fundamentally solid. Then make them pretty or hamfist your message. That way we can still shit talk your game, but at least say, "Well For the Motherland: Stopping Imperialist Pigs 2 has a ridiculous message, but at least the gunplay and level design is good"

I wonder if certain New Yorkers and Berliners do as well

>comparing women's rights from that era to the 1970+ (((women's rights)))
Like I said, your logic would blame whites for the world's problems instead of the jew. You are just being disingenuous instead of bringing anything substantial. All you prove is that women are gullible. Perhaps you can prove to us how drones waste their money next.

user, just because the Jews encouraged them does not exonerate them from blame. You can hate both women and Jews at the same time, as can you niggers, spics, homosexuals, and all the other sewage humanity has accumulated over the millennia.

And who was responsible for enabling them
They would of done shit all if they hadn't been enabled
Also isn't Stanton a Kike name IIRC

>>>/mgtow/
fucking fag lol

Calm down Sam Hyde.

>All shit that was fucking nothing until the jew stepped in

My shriveled heart has enough space in it to hate any number of people.

Well look the issue is unlike Jew, Niggers, Homosexuals, Niggers, Abos, Muzzies and all them, we kinda need Women to ensure the survival of our race until we can find a way of reproduction without women

Are you going to tell me that there aren't whites dumb enough to further kike schemes? Are you going to tell me that there aren't whites evil enough to do kikey shit? Quit putting shit on pedestals, they have a bad habit of crumbling beneath the weight. Just because whites built the West doesn't mean there aren't whites dumb enough to want to destroy it, for fuck's sake.

I know we need women (at least until iron wombs are a thing), but we don't need to give women rights, or to pretend they are equal.

And according to you if there is any undesirables then the entire faction needs to be wiped out. So we kill the women, then all the whites, and perhaps the jew if we have the time. Right moshie? :^)

You have to get your hate priorities in place. You can't hate niggers and homos the same you hate white women.

Of course not, I don't think that's what any of us are saying

Of course I fucking can. At least with niggers you know they are just acting on their bestial instincts, women and faggots have no such excuse.

The moment women had the vote it was over. Jews accelerated it, but women and a few stupid fucking dumbshit men signed the West's death warrant. Since when have you known a Jew to actually INVENT anything, for fuck's sake? They plagiarize and thieve.

I said nothing of the sort. Quit putting words in my mouth, faggot.
Except I'm not, and you don't, because you're a retard.

You could argue nukes, But then you can also argue that a lot of that work is stolen and misatrubted, remember John Trump worked on the Manhatten project but he wasn't heard of until his nephew ran for president

Okay, so you are whining about women without providing a reasonable solution? Sounds about right for a faggot who brags about owning an EB cart.

It wasn't even women per se that "won" the vote, thirsty betas handed it to them on a platter.

That's not even remotely true. The development of nuclear weaponry, or the whole branch of physics that relates to harnessing the atom and related sub-particles was only possible due to contributions of dozens of scientists from all over the world over the span of several decades, or centuries even. Einstein himself said that if he hadn't stumbled upon his research someone else would have.

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Women should be gassed

I gave you the solution. Put women firmly back under thumb and fucking strip them of suffrage and preferential treatments across the board. You will claim it's unreasonable, and I'll call you a fucking faggot.
I was young, it was fun and I wasn't bragging.

Take away their right to vote and deprogram the ones that you can and lobotomize and use as breeding stock those that are incurable.

Not until suitable replacements are found.

To be fair
Even China admits communism is such a shit idea they have capitalism zones.

this
females are basically jews with vaginas

That's kinda hot tbh.

is that done by the unulternbach guys?

I thought it was Shadman.

You spelled that wrong.

Holla Forums IS ALWAYS RIGHT
NO EXCEPTION

I'm not claiming it's unreasonable, I know it's unreasonable. Are you actually proposing this or are you pulling my leg?

what? what does world of warcraft have to do with anything?

Did you know that the unterulterbulterabachinbach guy makes Rugrats porn.

You're a fucking faggot and I'm a fucking prophet. Swear to fucking god. Defeatists.

Hold the fuck up. I recognize this "game" and I think I know what "YouTuber" it is he's specifically referreing to.

>Vinny gave it a shot, but was visibly getting uncomfortable as the "game" progressed due to all the "life sux may aswell kill ureself lol" humor being delivered through extremely grating helium voices keep in mind this is coming from a streamer who is very desensitized to surrealist/edgy shit due to streaming such content for a living

I'm guessing Vinny's video was what got him all buttmad given that I never heard a peep about his "game" from other Jewtubers other than his Gettin' Weird With It streams, and I highly doubt any other Jewtuber even knows this soyboy's game even exists.

fuck it probably is, I guess his work seems different when it's not coloured

Yes I did, did you know Stu Pickles or at least his wife and children are Jewish

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I consider The Void, Pathologic and EYE Divine Cybermancy as art games. I can't quite put my finger on it. They just seem so much more than video games or just art.

Truly germans are dead.

I honestly don't know what to write. Do you have any perspective issues of sort?

Nu-Holla Forums argumentation at it's finest.

Given how sickly that thing looks I wonder if it purged after it ate only a teaspoon full.

Walk Simulators. That's exactly what they're referring to. People prefer watching a "hahafunne let us play boy" youtuber/streamer play through them instead of wasting their money on a game that is boring in and of itself.

What is your brilliant strategy to fix society's ills?

from the creators of Jew rapes every child in German Villiage to save it from another Jew

Big problems require big fucking solutions, jackass. But by all means, keep thinking small.

Yeah, because it couldn't possibly be "art games" are complete shit.

What do you guys think of a family vote? That would also keep fags and childless commies from voting.

Should I wait for the actual remake to finish or go for the remastered hd edition?

How do we get there though?

Dry-erase markers can be used to remove sharpie and other permanent markings, even ball point pen ink. If the surface is glossy, or at least not porous, scribbling on the markings with a dry erase marker will lift the old ink up, letting you wipe it clean. Of course, those giant metal markers that smell like an oil refinery tended to use ink that would bleed into plastic, flesh, or anything less dense than lead.

We're also at the point where the average Holla Forums user is from reddit or some other namefag site. I didn't think you could type like a normalfag while posting things about national socialism but every time I go there I'm proven wrong.

The remake is going to be very different. You can play the HD version.

Have enough white people pissed off enough that they realize genocide is actually a viable alternative.

Consider that voter turnout is already at record lows. Convince women that voting is a racket, a scam, pointless and worthless. Simultaneously, oust politicians who pander to women as a voting bloc, by hook or by crook. This is a start.

Their (((art))) is not compatible for the vidya format.

For someone with as grandiose ideas you sure don't have a lot of foresight.

Nota bene: you will find that in ousting most of those politicians, you will oust a lot of kikes.

Get your enemy of the state revisionist bullshit out, you fucking commie.

You do realize that the only reason spics, niggers and mudshits act like they do is because whites tolerate it, right? Once the Jew is removed there is really nothing stopping us from carpet bombing non-white countries into submission. Hell, you could just as easily roll out the biological weapons and let them do the work.

Biologicals have a nasty habit of backfiring.

Pics or it didn't happen.

I dunno as I haven't really paid any attention to the remake so I don't know what they're going to change. If it's just QoL and texture/model upgrades then wait for it. That said, the 3rd world tier graphics is kinda endearing, especially because of the setting.

I'm reasonably sure the military wouldn't have been developing biological weapons if they didn't have the assurance they would backfire on them. They either have the cure or the virus burns out so quickly it doesn't spread out of the targeted area.

That's true, and depending on the nation the only ones that would cry would be the good goy UN members. Though is right, not to mention that's a completely different ball game compared to bombing your belligerent neighbor's borders while securing your own.

Holla Forums IS ALWAYS RIGHT
NO EXCEPTION

Sure. But sometimes not everyone wants to listen to Holla Forums because it's depressing. So that's why we ask them to go back.

The military does all kinds of stupid shit and they've abandoned most of their biowarfare programs IIRC.

First you remove the fuck out of (((mainstream media))), which at this point doesn't seem so far fetched. Then you promote nationalism and eliminate jewish schools of thought. Then you progress into an ethnostate, and then you go from there.
I know my answer is pretty much full of holes but at least I try to make it as sensible as possible. You can't go around removing people's rights and outright advocating genocide at such scale, you're going to fail 100%

Big problems require clever solutions. You'd just throw the world into chaos, make another hundred fucking problems and and then go mad when you realize shit isn't so simple.

Nigger the stay with toriel ending came from here.
The original ending was just you going home to your human family in an earthbound sort of way.

Complete erradication of the browns and blacks is the only safe way to ensure they cannot be weaponized against whites ever again. It's also a way to guarantee humanity a few more centuries of comfortable survival without the vermin eating up all the resources without giving anything back.

Because the (((UN))) said their use was a war crime. All the UN ever does in terms of military matters is make sure white armies fight with one hand tied behind their backs.

I didn't say it was simple, and the world is already in chaos or haven't you been fucking paying attention?

where are the pics?

Or even better.

Fuck off 12 year old, you're the same cancer that flooded in on Holla Forums 10 years ago when Fox aired "hackers on steroids"

Go ask /mtt/

I'd much rather progress into a pan-white alliance.

Oh, I wouldn't screech about muh real Holocaust like some sperg, I am just outlining what the endgoal needs to be to ensure the survival of the white race.

The world is in chaos but you shouldn't try to mess with it unless you're certain you're not going to make it worse.

Fuck the UN, I think their use is as likely to get our people killed as theirs. God only knows what happens if one of the strains we release mutates, for fuck's sake. Biologicals aren't neat and clean and don't always go away when you want them to.

That would remove me from voting though

I don't want to get AIDS by typing that url.

Like I said, your plans are ill thought out and you come off like a fanatic who thinks bombing a federal building will solve everything. Congrats faggot, you are blackpilled.

You'll live.

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Like I said, most bio weapons are designed to quickly burn out to minimize uncontrolled spread. If you're so asshurt we can just douse the whole of Africa in nerve gas, I don't give a shit.

Also, the only useful thing about the UN is the Security Council.

You okay there rabbi?

Dude what are you talking about? I was criticizing the Holla Forumsack for screeching.

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Then suffer in ignorance and accept revisionism robbing you of your history and weaponized against you.

Now who's calling who a jew? Keep larping though, i'm sure that dotr will happen any day now. :^)

Just fake being straight. It's not that hard.
Knock up your wife a few times and no one will ask questions.
Except you do it too obviously like pic related.

Why bother? Africa's going to kill itself the moment the gibs stop flowing to it.

Funny how people forget the Genesis also had an art game.

Niggers will eat all the animals and plant life before they die like the vermin they are. I don't want the animals to suffer, so hitting high density population centers with rat poison is the only solution I see.

If the gibs don't come to them they come to the gibs.

Holla Forums wasn't a thing when the demo came out

I hadn't thought of such a thing. That sounds like a pretty good idea. If we could get rid of the (((media))) constantly berating whites for existing that sounds like something possible, specially if blacks and shitskins keep being so fucking stupid.

The animals are going to die anyway if the bite any of the niggers.

Let's face it. Africa is doomed, and the last african animals that will be saved are in the zoo.

Yeah, no wonder why no one gave a shit about her "art" piece.

Are you sure?

I think you underestimate their pitiable laziness, but it can't be ruled out.

More worried about them destroying their environment in total but keep in mind no gibs means an uncured ebolAIDS epidemic that ravages them unchecked.

Wait, is this the game where you have a manual and you shout instructions on how to diffuse a bomb to your friend? That game is actually pretty cool. It's like a digitized board game.

October 2013 came after May 2013.

It's one way to stop whites from fucking themselves over by fighting pointless wars against each other.

Then we can just figure out a way to sterilize niggers without them finding out about it and let nature take its course.

It's unchecked as it is. They breed faster than AIDS, malaria and Ebola can kill them.

I factored that in, of course.
Eurabia will take them all in, on their own money even.

No, it's this piece of shit: alienmelon.itch.io/everything-is-going-to-be-ok

yes

No. It's not.

Maybe it was around christmas then, apologies though, my memory isn't very good after around 3 years. Though I do distinctly remember at some point before the game came out one of "us", being, people browsing at the time in those particular threads, before the game came out, somebody had emailed them and he had stated that he had, in fact, been browsing the threads.

Kill yourself.

That video is shilling for tthe game

the fucking worst part is he acts like he represents all "surrealist games" and ignores that games like Yume Nikki and a bunch of other surreal japanese games have followings because they're actually fucking fun to play

Indeed.

Good.

Isn't that the board owner of Holla Forums?

I'm ok with loli but this is just sick.

Honestly the best solution would probably be a lottery in stead of voting.

>Dev's twitter, game's official page and dev's fucking vlog listed

I'm fucking tired of all those (((meta))) games acting more like malware.

Fuck art games.

I'm nota faggot, I just would have no fucking clue at all on how to get gf

Goddamn. I feel insulted seeing that.

The channel is filled with pretentious shit like that, so probably.

Videogames can be art, but they are a form of art that is unique unto it's own media - can only be properly expressed when played by someone skilled at the game, and has more in common with craftsmanship and athletics than it does with music, theater, literature, etc. It encompasses aspects of other art forms, but is not an offshoot of them.

Artfags just want to shoehorn videogames into pre-existing accepted "art" pidgeonholes for wider cultural validation and because they are lazy unimaginative fucks who can't even recognize that their own precious traditional art mediums are largely either money laundering scams or mass-market, hyper-commecial, pre-assembled dross devoid of any scrap of soul or meaning lest they offend a potential paying customer.

WEW

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kill me tbh

This is probably the most pretentiousness ever made.

pretentious game*

I love that the only defense for this game is that the people who like it "relate to it" and act like it's healthy that they do.
What a horrible mindset.

(((NATHALIE LAWHEAD))) ???

Artists get hired to do stuff and have been selling their stuff since someone was decent enough at art to warrant a price for their craft. Shut up and learn what a good videogame plays and looks like.

Learn some skills or suck it up then.
Seriously, you probably haven't tried very hard have you?

Why do women always use these stupid "lel so quirky xd" names?

Pure coincidence

so, can i borrow the mona lisa painting? it's only fair since it's free

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An "art game" isn't really a game. If it were a game it would be called something else.

Try organic solvents. If you're precise with them it will easily remove the pigment. A correct solvent may also dissolve the plastic but its already worthless and if it wasn't attacked when the original writing was done.

In fact that's all markers are: a very small amount of dye dissolved in an organic solvent that evaporates quickly leaving just the ink behind. It will wash away, just not in water.

What a wasted trips on a mouthbreathing retard. Sure, there might not be alot of artist such as Da Vinci who was also a Omnidisciplinary artist, since being a genius is rare. But to only know someone by their best know works (which itself rather lackluster compared to his best) is a pleb mindset.

I thought the Finns had that first? Can a finnanon explain in detail?

>(((art)))

Jesus Christ this looks obnoxious.

Yup. The worst part is that they never do anything interesting mechanically. Where the fuck are the chaos simulators? Why hasn't anyone tried to make an extremely detailed politics game? And I mean detailed as in "you have a congress with 200 participants and they all have defined personalities". Videogames got fucked artistically, since they came after art went to shit, i.e. started being completely about the message and not about the skill of the craft. The worst part is that would be at least passable if the message was at least deep, but art nowadays is just "lel lets just shit on everything arent i the prettiest subversive" and the message is always more or less "people are hell man". Subverting shit got so tired that reconstructing grand ideals is way more subversive now than questioning the meaning of art for the 30 hyperbillionth time.
Postmodernism was a fucking trainwreck. It could've worked as a precision tool but no, it had to cascade downwards into shit.

your giving these fucking Niggers WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY to much credit

Deconstruction implies they understand the parts which make a decent game

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goat you say

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Holla Forums is wrong about Net Neutrality being gone as a "good thing".

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Technically the situation is more complicated than that but short term for those that have local isp options Net Neutrality being gone is a good thing.

Agreed. The idea of "artistic" games is fine in itself, if you want to explore some retarded aspect in an abstract way, fine, but you can't cry about it when the masses don't give a shit about it because it isn't fun or entertaining in any way. The fags that push this shit don't want to face that fact that first and foremost, games are meant to be entertainment. Just like you can't expect "Beta Male: The Anthony Burch Story" to outsell "Summer Action Explosion Festival 7" at the box office, you shouldn't expect your political feminist walking simulator to make Call of Duty type sales.

I hope this is some retarded "Muh 4D Chess" thing where Trump will also break down ISP monopolies. Losing Net Neutrality might cost Trump his second term.

I don't trust faggots who think they're always right. Sketchy motherfuckers like that can go fuck themselves off a cliff

Maybe these assholes need to learn that making an overpriced single player game that 's 1-2 hours long with no replayability and very little gameplay no matter what "meaning" and "message" they try to put in to it.
Even early point and click adventure game have more respect because they at least put in actual puzzles (before they got convoluted solutions) and writing that can be funny and can possibly have alternative writing when can only be seen when replaying it.

If anyone here wants the "pretentious walking simulator art game" to die there need to be the creation of a parody walking simulator game (released as a free mod), akin to how movie parodies (like Airplane) signal the end of certain movie genres (airplane disaster movies).

Potentially the loss of the "protections" people had could lead to the issues of a heavily centralized telecommunication industry could force the government's hand to actually unfuck the monopoly situation with companies refusing to allow competitors to operate. In addition it would be unlikely to be fiscally sustainable for companies to throttle any heavier than they already do.

I wouldn't give a shit if artistic games also tried to be good games. But if a game doesn't even try on the visual, audio, gameplay and storytelling departments I doubt any sort of "art" quality is going to make it hold up.

Long before Net Neutrality was a thing, I remember seeing many ISPs and now they are gone only leaving Comcast and AT&T.

Nope.
Just because something contains art does not make something art in and of itself; game play, the thing that separates games from movies and books and music, is not fucking art.

This. Anyone who claims games are "art" is an insecure faggot who can't nut up and admit they enjoy electronic toys for fun.

You are dumb nigger.

You really are a dumb nigger who needs to read some books instead of playing video games.

I logged in a month ago, as I do a yearly checkup on the state of the game for a few weeks and I can say trade chat in my server is the basically /r/Thedonald and filled with kekistanfags and other kinds of retard that are on par with youtube comments.

Yeah, because Comcast and AT&T bought most of their cable rights and instead of the government doing their job and telling them to fuck off and forcing them to break up their company they basically signed a paper that said "Please don't be shitheads, k?"
And it ultimately did very little if nothing, because companies still totally throttle the fuck out of you hoping you don't sue, because you think they can't because it's a law.

Then you have this,
rogerebert.com/rogers-journal/video-games-can-never-be-art
In this article, Kellee Santiago gave three games to Roger Ebert to play in order to make the case that video games can be art:
1) Waco Resurrection
2) Braid
3) Flower
Let me ask why did she picked these games. These are terrible choices to give him. One is a weird take on the shooter genre. One is "It's Mario but a twist!" which only works on someone already familiar with Mario. The last one is blowing fucking flower petals.

rogerebert.com/rogers-journal/okay-kids-play-on-my-lawn
Eventually, Roger Ebert decided that he doesn't really understand video games enough to give a good answer. He said that Shadow of the Colossus came the closest. From the sound of it, he just wants to stop being bother by these "please notice me senpai!" fags.

At least, he didn't die being some stupid mouth piece…

Wrong. They can contain art, but gameplay isn't art.
You just described 90 percent of the games industry.

Ebert may have been a oil drilling libtard, but he was right. More so, why the fuck did these art niggers think a 70 year old man, who's expertise was in movies, needed to validate MUH GAMES R ART movement

One major distinction is that you can interact with games. Would you call chess, poker or football art? Although, to be fair "art games" have very little interaction so maybe you have a point.

Art is only paintings and music duh.

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Because they think that prostrating yourself is a great way to gain respect. Also, these guys are mostly failed movie makers.

the distinction should be between commercial/entertainment art games and fine/conceptual art games. the problem is that the creators of the latter keep trying to make their work succeed through commercial avenues when that setting is completely wrong for what they're doing. steam is the vidya equivalent of costco, it's where people go for cheap mass entertainment. you go there to get 200 corndogs for a fiver, not to look at a rothko.
setting aside for a moment that most of these fine art games are irredemable trash made by idiots who think too highly of what they're doing and never even make an effort to create a solid mechanical core to their games, they should be aiming for grants and exhibitions; settings where the audience and expectations are actually appropriate for this kind of work.

every fucking time

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Videogames are not art. (((Art))) itself is a money laundering scheme run by racketeers.

These people are living parodies. What the fuck

And movies.

The stereotypes had to come from somewhere.

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I thought the whole point of communism was to not be self reliant.

Holy shit, that's accurate cosplay.

fixed

I love the salt, but that doesn't mean post-modernism was a mistake. A meme that needs to be wiped off the face of the Earth.

someone needs to give that cat a tap between the ears.
indignant little bastard shit

Games aren't art.

you probably couldn't get half of them running

art is subjective :^)

Most people who've "played" those games just watch someone else play it.

Yeah, at least he did not become Bill Nye

Liberal Crime Squad is close.

I didn't know activity centers were in style again.

Unless he's improved recently, I don't think it's actually him.

opinions aside, I'd bang the math girl

britney still passes as a human being but gaga is another one of those idiot women who shaves their eyebrows off so of course she'll look like a fucking aylmao without makeup. Course lots of chicks do this shit

same for broads who constantly dye their hair and inevitably it looks like shit down the line because they keep dumping chemicals into their scalp

I used to play shit like this all the time as a kid. I had some Winnie Pooh shit.

Let's be honest, would you rather have toddlercon, or deal with more of this jewish art game trash?

Honestly, Britney Spears looks marginally better without makeup.

I think I got a power rangers activity center once for christmas but the only result I can find with a search looks nothing like it.

You're making the assumption that any of that is art.

It's entirely materialistic if you dig deeper. None of these manlets actually a) know what art is and b) are interested in producing art. What they are entirely interested in is government grants for culture and arts. If making shitty walking simulators are considered art by higher society, guess which soyboys getting some sweet government money to churn out literal trash.

Bullshit. They don't learn a goddamned thing. They die, over and over and over again to the simplest shit - and rather than develop their focus and motor coordination, or try to figure out the logic of the game, they will cry that it's too hard - then pop out the cartridge or exit to the dashboard or whatever and immediately start up some other game to repeat the cycle. They'll go through every goddamned game you have just looking for one that basically plays itself with little to no input from them. You have to put your foot down and limit them to exactly ONE game per play session - or at least require that they beat the current stage/mission/whatever before they can switch.

9 times out of 10, they'll walk the fuck off and go play with Legos or beat the cat or something.

Kids today are pampered little shits who's parents and teachers have drank so deep from the "self-esteem movement" koolaid that the little spergs simply can't handle anything that doesn't let them coast through on minimum effort and reward them with a gold star.

I'm always disappointed

Not the only thing. I also blame abundance for this. I started with vidya with a 8-bit console and a small colour TV my mum's cousin left for me when he started working offshore. He only had 3 games. Street Fighter, Contra and Super Mario Bros. Sure I'll get my ass kicked at all 3 games because I'm fucking 5. But when I got stuck in Contra and I couldn't think up a way to advance, I move on to SMB. Once the same happens in SMB, I move on back to contra for a second try or go vent out in SF getting my ass kicked by chun li for the 10th million time. I'll think up strategies in the shower, over dream up ways to beat the level in my naps and sleep and try to realize them in game when I woke up. I was 5 and my world of gaming was limited to these 3 titles because there wasn't an internet culture screaming about which next hype train to jump on. The internet consisted of a noisy singing box my father would use to check stock price listings and shitpost in message boards. Until I was 12 and my parent got me a second hand PS1 after I convinced them to foot half the price, my gaming world was limited.

It's not. It's just Trump being the controlled opposition he's supposed to be. Same shit would have happened under Hillary, only it wouldn't have been denounced like it was.

Yeah, I can see your point there. My family was skirting the poverty line when I was growing up, and while they could afford to buy video games consoles and a PC and shit - they had a rule. I wouldn't get new shit until I finished what they already bought us. Not that I had a whole lot of choice in games early on anyhow, since for some reason my parents decided to go with a TI 99/4A instead of a C64, and a SMS instead of a NES. Looking back, I'm ok with their decision, but it kind of sucked as a kid since literally nobody in my area knew what the fuck those systems were - and their libraries were limited. I didn't really start getting access to my own shit until I started getting an allowance, and when we got our 386 PC and I was pirating games from my local BBS.

Maybe it's shit art that no one wants.

From the gamer gate thread

Nice reading comprehension faggot. Can you name the best work Da Vinci has ever made by name? user stated that nothing could be made to rival his work so give me some examples by name.

That's a funny way to say "liberals"

has he posted the stream on his full sauce channel yet?'

nvm, found it

I wouldn't call chess an art, but the physical components (board, pieces) are a good artistic medium. I would call a well-constructed and pleasant to look at chess set art.

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I felt more sadness when reading about the Ents in Lord of the Rings then I ever did when playing a video game.

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True, a well-constructed chess set can be considered art, and you could even say the same for a video game's box art. But games are made to be played, not collect dust on a shelf.

after all this, you wonder if you wife is still around, and may swell in the distant lands the little critters you recently met hail from.
it concerns you not, for you too are starting to feel a bit sleepy

Well something which is art seems to have something like a right to be offensive where mere entertainment does not.
The way I see it, being considered art provides a useful barrier for a medium against censorship.

Not that it always works, but I think it would be an improvement to what we have now.
People don't give games the same prestige as other mediums, so manipulating them is no big deal.

But people see the word "art" and just think of snobs in turtleneck sweaters snorting farts so it's no deal.

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Depends on the skill of the players. I absolutely would consider what two equally matched masters of the game produce in their competition as art - but again, it's art in the sense of fine craftsmanship.

Granted, if you're uninitiated in the game, watching them will do little to nothing for you - and similarly, watching two old fucks in the park playing a friendly game isn't going to amount to much either. But when you are skilled enough in the game to really appreciate the improvisation in each move and counter, the unexpected and novel strategies strategies… it absolutely can be moving and deeply satisfying.

Overused clip and e-sports faggotry aside, tell those people watching aren't deeply moved by emotion when watching that. Tell me that Diego fag wasn't fucking in a transcendental state of zen when he pulled that off. All of those people watching were familiar with the game, and knew the level of skill involved to pull that reversal. No pretentious art faggot with zero experience in games outside of some Zelda T-Shirt and an NES mini that was bought solely for display purposes could look at that and understand or be moved or truly impressed by it.

And yes, I would extend this to all sports as well. What, just because a football game makes you leap out of your chair and scream like a sperg after a big play, not stroke your chin in contemplation, it's not a valid or equivalent emotional response to what your witnessing? There is no beauty or elegance to be found in a well executed strategy on a battlefield?

For all intents and purposes, I'm probably using far too broad a definition of Art compared to what these faggots are advocating. But again, that's part of my point. Games can be art, and I think they qualify, but not in the narrow pidgeon-holed ways that these shitbirds desperately seeking societal approval wants it to be.

don't forget the poetic song that the ents and entwives sant to each other.
green will be the ents, pink will be the entwives

When light is on the wild-wood stream, and wind is on the brow,
When stride is long, and breath is deep, and keen the mountain air,
Come back to me! Come back to me, and say my land is fair!

Games are art. What people don't understand is that art doesn't make something good or deep. I can smear my shit on the floor and call it art.

Women are the kikes of sex. Anything they touch goes to shit.
Videogames
Social "sciences"
Politics

Nah. I know women in just about every field who are decent people. The trick is finding ones whop don't buy into normalfag shit. So basically country women more or less.

The greek word for "art" is "tekne", technique. All jewish subversion of what should be art, what feels like art, is readily swept aside if you remember this: originally, art means technique.

So a game full of art, is one that shows skill in its making. The art of making games: not the games that pretend to be artistic expositions at the MOMA.

And also the art industry. So…

This man knows what's up with kids, I confirm what he says. Some of us have kids: REEEE my dick, neets. Kids don't like dying and repeating the same thing, all they want is to screw around in peace. Their perfect game would be a sandbox with lots of easy and intuitive things to do, and without fail states.

Feels unbelievable? Imagine browsing a website that randomly bans your IP for 5 minutes, if you fail a QTE. That would be enjoyable, right? Well, they feel the same: they don't support the notion that rules should be in place to punish activity.

I'm sorry to hear that, user.

Pics or it didn't happen, what's so fucking difficult?

i need to read those books again.

You need to pay more attention to your kids, user. They are turning into enormous faggots.
If your kids are behaving the way you describe, then they will become the worst people you can imagine. You only have yourself to blame.

I distinctly remember beating the game before first grade. Parents said if I could beat it, they would buy me another game, so I did. They didn't follow through.

I can't believe I watched the whole thing.

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