How common are unsimulated scenes in film REALLY?

>>137809325>Nymphomaniac DP scene>Rio Babilonia's pool sceneseriously?

>>137809587Nymphomaniac: looks like it. Compare the body being penetrated to Charlotte's. It's the same, down to the nipple. The supposed body double (Elvira Friis) has a different figure, particularly her breasts. The movie was initially announced as all-unsimulated, the "body double" thing appeared much later, Lars changed his story. Shia already confirmed his scenes were HC.Rio Babilonia: apparently one of the actors recently said that the other 2 were dating at the time, so while the bf/gf were fucking for real he was fondling her or something like that.

>>137808078What's that one scene you're certain was legit? I know there's ones always publicly rumored like Monster's Ball or Don't Look Now

>>137810316en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unsimulated_sex#Films_with_unsimulated_sexual_activity

>>137810316You named it, Monster's Ball.

>>137809195This, he only says it's unsimulated to be edgy and save his ego. I know because I would do the same thing

>>137810373>billy bob thornton fucked prime Angelina Jolie AND prime Halle berryDude must have mad charisma

I always found the unsimulated sex scene between slave Leia and Jabba titillating. Granted, it was a prosthetic schlong and a body double. But still.

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>>137810394>>137809195Then why wouldn't she deny it? It badly hurt her career

>>137809325That's hardly news on Nymphomanic, its whole gimmick was having unsimulated scenes put in

>>137810356He's asking about ones not publicly disclosed as unsimulated

>>137810666Lars changing his tune and trying to explain things away afterwards is what sounded strange. Some scenes clearly use a body double (Charlotte's fingering), but others are more ambiguous.

>>137809976Wasn't Shia supposed to use a double too? I recall them explaining the name actors had stand-ins for the explicit parts

>>137810982It's not ambigious, they were open about having unsimulated sex scenes in it, there's lots of penetration on screen

>>137809976>for real he was fondling her or something like thatThat's probably more common than actual unsimulated sex. Anne Hathaway at one point confirmed that Jake Gylenhaal really did touch her breasts during their sex scene, I think in Brokeback Mountain.

>>137811185He was but he later confirmed that wasn't the case: it was him fucking.

>>137811337Fondling up tits isn't rare. You can't really fake that.

i saw a plot based porn once not some shitty "pool guy comes over and fucks" plot, but it was like 2 hours long with an actual storyline. the only difference from a real movie was the budget was shit and they showed penetration.

>>137811306They weren't. Lars had to push the body double narrative, which doesn't seem to apply to all sex scenes.

>>137811355They could use prosthesis like >>137809195said.

>>137811431For tits? Nah, they're only tits.

>>137811355anon, welcome to 4chan(nel), home of the eternal wizarddon't bother explaining what 2nd base is to these guys, you'll give them a false sense of hope, kind of like obamacare

>>137808078It depends on whether the movie is being filmed in Europe or America. European actresses will fellate a dog if you manage to convince them that there's artistic merit to it, American actresses will only do it if you shower them with money while simultaneously threatening to blacklist them.

>>137811402I don't know what you mean. Have you seen the film? It's full of explicit scenes.

>>137811347Weird. Why lie about that?

>>137811505Before released, it was implied that the actors would have real sex in the movie. Later, Lars started the story that the scenes were real, but body doubles were used for explicit shots. But Shia said nope, I did it, and some of the scenes, particularly Charlotte's DP, looks as it's her, not the supposed body double.

>>137810492Yes, 10 inches long charisma.

>>137811468You ever see that terrible Ryan Reynolds/Jason Bateman body swap movie? The Switch or The Change Up or something? Olivia Wilde and Leslie Mann showed their "breasts", but it was actually CGI.

>>137811547The actresses mostly seemed to have had a case of buyer's remorse because of moralfags and harpies going haywire. Google the bullshit explanations the Blue is the Warmest Colors actresses attempted to give even though in the movie you can clearly see their pussies in detail etc.

>>137811606Wilde has been nude a bunch of times though

>>137809976>Compare the body being penetratedThat's what a double is for genius, they hire someone who looks like them

>>137811730No you retard: the point is that the body double WASN'T used on that scene, it was Charlotte Gainsbourg doing it for real.

>>137808078Actors engaging in unsimulated scenes is always well known. See lists of films for it.

>>137811780Come on, that's bullshit. That was some hardcore graphic porn scene.

>>137811853So fucking what? The point of the thread is, which movies feature unsimulated scenes?Watch the scene carefully on xhamster, afterwards google Elvira Friis or something like that. Compare breasts.

>>137811584She got pounded up the ass on screen for real?

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>>137811780>>137811853Chloe Sevigny's career got damaged badly by her explicit scenes. There's examples of careers of actresses being hurt just by the false rumor of unsimulated scenes. Now she's a pretty out there indie actress but even Gainsborough's career might get damaged by that. Would she really risk that?

Couldn't Lars have casted somebody actually hot for Nymphomaniac? Why is he obsessed with this hideous Gainsbourg bitch? Even the actress playing her younger character was a dog.

Anti-Christ had an unsimulated scene, used body doubles though, supposedly.Love had unsimulated blow job scenes. Enter the Void might have had some unsimulated stuff too.A Japanese movie called In The Realm of the Senses has unsimulated scenes too.

>>137808078I know I saw Billy Bob's nuts slapping off Halle Berry

>>137812097The character wasn't supposed to be hot.

Ken Park has Ziggy from The Wire jerking himself off. Shortbus showed a dude jerking off and catching his cum in his mouth.

>>1378119991-carefully look at ther body2-carefully look at the body being DP'd (nipples)3-compare to supposed body double (Elvira Friis)xhamster.com/videos/charlotte-gainsbourg-nymphomaniac-directors-cut-3672065

>>137809976Looked it up on wiki and the director said at Cannes:>We shot the actors pretending to have sex and then had the body doubles, who really did have sex, and in post we will digital impose the two. So above the waist it will be the star and the [sic] below the waist it will be the doubles.So there is your explanation for the tits, everything above the waist is the actress. I am pretty sure there's an obvious divide on the waist for the dp scene, so that's the digital imposing. Isn't she shot from like the side only?

>>137810641She collaborated with the same mindset, creating an arthouse film. she wasnt prioritizing a safe career at any point. also, she continued to get gigs at this caliber.

>>137811999what an artist

>>137812040>Chloe Sevigny's career got damaged badly by her explicit scenes. That's bullshit. After Brown Bunny she worked with Woody Allen, Lars von Trier, Jim Jarmusch, Fincher, Herzog etc, at the pace of 1 or 2 movies per year. 3 years after BB, she was starring a succesful, long-running TV show.

In this movie the girl character is 15 (but the actress is a young looking 18) and her lover is an Asian in his 30's. There's a missionary position sex scene and on the DVD you can see for a 1/2 second that the man is rock hard and it really looks like he was actually fucking the girl on set. H O T

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>>137812040That sounds like a reason someone who did explicit scenes might backtrack after the fact and hide it.

>>137812309She isn't really that attractive but this is pretty hot to know she did it all the same

>>137812040>Now she's a pretty out there indie actress but even Gainsborough's career might get damaged by that. Would she really risk that?Yes, for the sake of "acting", which doesn't mean she didn't want LVT to go ahead with the body double story.European actresses live and work outside the confines of American puritanism. Check out Charlotte's bio/filmography.Many actresses started their successful careers with movies full of nudity/sex scenes: Mia Goth, Eva Green etc.

>>137810641It only increased her brand as an edgy choice for cool gen x gurl amd she still gets roles on this basis

>>137812382Lars is the one doing the "explanation". I'm simply looking at the images. At the DP scene, it is obvious that only Charlotte's face is (crudely) superimposed, perhaps as an attempt to suggest it wasn't her. Later on that scene there is a camera move that moves directly to her face in close-up to her behind being fucked.

>>137812309pornhub.com/view_video.php?viewkey=ph5990b6d4838f7Better quality. Very easy to see her boobs during the graphic shots

>>137812598>Later on that scene there is a camera move that moves directly to her face in close-up to her behind being fuckedwell that settles it, right?

>>137812727It's yet another evidence.

>>137812382>I am pretty sure there's an obvious divide on the waist for the dp sceneActually not, you can see her whole body uninterrupted in parts of the scene>>137812626>>137812309

>>137812598Did that close up of her face show penetration? Maybe she did a fake sex scene with the two guys so that they had good coverage for all the angles. Its been a while since I saw it, but it did look like it was faked at certain points (the rear view showing the DP)

>>137812533It seems the double explanation came out when it screened at Cannes in 2013, but it was shot almost a year earlier. Here's what old Shia had to say back in 2012 when it had just filmed >The movie is what you think it is. It is Lars von Trier, making a movie about what he's making. For instance, there's a disclaimer at the top of the script that basically says we're doing it for real. Everything that is illegal, we'll shoot in blurred images. Other than that, everything is happening.Also I have to include this line because kek>LaBeouf got his role in Nymphomaniac by sending a tape of himself having intercourse with his girlfriend Karolyn Pho to von Trier.

>>137812868Rewatch the scene: >>137812626

>>137813064Ok after seeing the whole scene the whole body belongs to whoever is getting fucked, up to the shoulders. So the only explanation is that it's a face replacement for Gainsborough digitally, on the stunt double.

>>137812943based Shia spilling the beans

>>137812943Goddamn, Shia really was desperate to get away from those Transformers movies, wasn't he?

>>137813157What if it is Charlotte who is really getting DP'd, because she is a huge slut, and she asked the director to digitally replace her face with her own face (so it looks a bit fake) to get away with saying it wasn't actually her?

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>>137812943I think there's a later statement by him where's he's more, well, explicit about how his scenes were shot.

>>137813320That's the Occam's Razor most likely explanation considering the scene itself.

>>137812598The explanation is pretty clear. From the waist down is the pornstar double, waist up is the actress. They just imposed two halves.

>>137813320Or cos she regretted it later

>>137813370There were but that was years later, more recently. Around the time of the film's release it was all body doubles, pornstars etc.

>>137813740The "explanation" doesn't match what the scene shows.

>>137809195>lol Gallo stole a prosthetic penis from a movie he had acted in before (Trouble Every Day)Sure sounds like bullshit to me>t, professional bullshitter

The easiest thing would be running the Nymphomaniac scenes through computer software that unmasks and calculates whether the body being fucked is that of another person or the actor. That would be easy to do in Charlotte's DP scene, for instance, because she is fully nude while the black guys are discussing etc and some of the close-ups are unmistakably her. It would be simply a matter of ascertaining whether the asshole/pussy is hers as well, which is what it looks like.

>>137813157>>Ok after seeing the whole scene the whole body belongs to whoever is getting fucked, up to the shouldersAh, but then what about this user's observation about the boobs? >>137809976 >>137812309

>>137814216it would be incredibly easy to make a casting call on the factors of: do your nipples look like this?

>>137813919If I can be bothered I will look into that.

>>137813821How so?

I don't understand the Nymphomaniac debate. They hired porn actors to do real sex scenes and every other actor was superimposed over them. None of the real actors had real sex

>>137814274that would be fine if you had generic nips, Charlotte does not

>>137812626>>137812309>>137812598>>137812943>>137809976Between all these I'm leaning towards it's true

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I know Brown Bunny had a real blow job, but it looked fake as hell. I don't remember them ever showing his dick at all. Just the back of her head going back and forth. Why film a blowjob for real and then film it so you never see a dick in a mouth?

>>137814469>None of the real actors had real sexjust like everyone posting in this thread

>>137814651publicity

>>137814627What kind of dumb response is that?

>>137812382I've watched that Nymphomaniac DP scene multiple times (for research!) and I swear that's real. I know all the CG bullshit they said was used at Cannes but I distinctly remember LVT saying he was only casting actors if they were comfortable with real penetration. Charlotte Gainsbourg seems like the type of freak to really get double stuffed by two BBC mandingos. Pretty sure that's her clit with blood make up on it in Antichrist too. And her butthole in Nymphomaniac.

>>137814651You def see his dick. Not sure if you see his head but you def see his shaft with her mouth around the head. Also implied cum swallowing but not sure if that part is real.

>>137814667delet post

>>137814960Well consider that Shia has since said his scenes were legit and no double used

>>137814493Right? They're like three inches long.

>>137814651I'd intentionally blow a load in her mouth regardless of script/staging. Imagine. It'd be worth being fired and I doubt anything could happen to you legally kek.

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Charlotte Gainsbourg likely fucked her dad when she was a kid so it's not that much of a stretch (haha) to get double stuffed by BBC on camera. That bitch is horny.

>>137814960The CG claim doesn't even gel with the scene. He claims the lower half of the body is a pornstar's and it's a digital camera trick, except in the scene it's clear it's all one body, you see her full body in several shots. And the tits on that full body are obviously Charlotte's distinctive ones. I might buy some kind of seamless digital body combining in a blockbuster movie but not a tiny budget hardcore indie film.

>>137815396I remember reading about the pre productions and all the hype was that if you wanted to be cast, you had to fuck on camera. Shia bragged about being willing to do it around when he was cast. Nobody even blinked an eye about Charlotte Gainsbourg because she's always been a horny arthouse hoe. It was only at Cannes that LVT and everyone changed their tune about fucking on camera. I still think it's bullshit they made up to save the careers of people involved. Like if anyone said "oh we're not casting you cuz you fucked on camera" they could be like "oh it was actually a body double blah blah"

>>137815143I thought it was just that her father was a famous irreverent comedian and French satirist who sometimes challenged conventions, not necessarily incestous.

>>137815396I agree. CG that seamless back in 2011 would have been expensive and it would be cheaper just to have the actors really fuck on camera. There's also a blowjob scene on the train and either it's real or it's the realest looking rubber cock I've ever seen. The hype in pre production was that the sex was all real and I still think it's the case.

>>137815623And then there's that Shia has gone back on the cg/double claim since then and confirmed he did his hardcore scenes

Did she do it?

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>>137809976Christian Slater didn’t have a double either

>>137810641I think it helped her career tremendously.

>>137816193>jewishyes

>>137811185Why is Shia so fucking insane? > In 2012, LaBeouf told US chat show host Chelsea Handler that he had sent von Trier a sex tape to secure his role in the production: "I sent him videotapes of me and my girlfriend (then stylist Karolyn Pho) having sex and that's how I got the job," he said.

>>137812438At the time everyone thought her career was over

>>137816193yes

>>137816778>Why is Shia so fucking insane? You misspelled "based".

>>137815095It was his movie, no one could fire him.

Kate Mara actually rubbed and maybe fingered Ellen Page's pussy in My Days of Mercy.

>>137816778Yeah this really sounds like a guy who would need a body double for a Lars von Trier film built around explicit sex scenes

>>137817235>everyoneYou're extrapolating based on your own worldview perhaps. 1st rate directors cast her immediately afterwards; likewise TV execs. The celeb news cycle and random internet gossip are just self-communicating echo chambers.

>>137817300Damn I just watched it, Kate was really digging around there. Whether or not Ellen was wearing something, she was definitely feeling it.

>>137817407I didn’t say it hurt her, but it was widely assumed that it would. At the time the rumor was her agency dropped her before it even premiered at Cannes.

>>137812626So I've seen this for the first time and I'm not seeing which part is meant to be fake. It just looks like a legit porn scene

>>137813064There isn't any closeup of her face with penetration

>>137817300Wow they really went at it. Ellen is moaning hard.

>>137808078Vincent Gallo makes my uterus explode

>>137818154is this you?

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>>137818233She doesn't seem like the type to watch Buffalo 66

>>137818287trashy art hoes like that love Gallo

>>137818312When I took a general filmmaking course at school (did it for fun) I remember multiple indie art hoe girls saying they liked him but they would call him toxic. So I think these girls are fans of the film, but not attracted to him. It's called separating the art from the artist, I think

>>137816193do what?

>>137818478Any one of those girls in private with Gallo would suck his dick no contest

>>137818287How old are you?

>>137819044I highly doubt it. You think artsy girls are fond of far right Trump supporters who have a history of verbally and emotionally abusing women or just people in general? Take a quick look at Tik Tok and Twitter and Instagram and you see these girls detest people like Gallo. They always out people like him on social media. They would probably be disgusted and MeToo him. They like his films but they hate him dude.

>>137819142I'm in my 20s

>>137818478Women fuck "toxic" men all the time. The only insult that really matters is "creepy"

>>137819157OK incel. Mentally ill women love being dominated that's why they don't sleep with söy losers (maybe if they're fucking them) but sleep with actually aggressive men. This is why they're all complaining now about crypto trump supporters duping them on dating apps.

>>137819190And creepy really just means ugly guy with a normal ego

Is the Brown Bunny scene actually real? Or just a fake scene hyped up?

>>137819157>you see these girls detest people like GalloThats what they say. In private, when they think they will not be found out, they think differently

>>137809325>Nymphomaniac DP sceneno fucking way

>>137819157Dude gang bangers in prison have girlfriends. Don't sit hear and say women are great arbiters of good behavior, they aren't. Women would fuck the handsome star quarterback even if he had other women claim he assaulted them, hell it would probably work better for him because girls would want to "tame" him or someshit. Art hoes are no different than any other class of women in morals or anything, only aesthetically

>>137819044Not that user but I've shared a story about this whole thing before. I remember asking these art hoes why they would want to meet someone as disgusting as Gallo. I don't think he's disgusting but I said it to fit in at my University. And they basically said he's a good person and he only acts extra because he's a provocateur and they could excuse his conservative persuasion since he was misled and raised in a different environment

>>137819190>>137819264Times have changed tho. Social media is such a big thing that I don't think they would sacrifice that shit for a toxic Trump guy. Again, just look at all of their BLM posts and stuff. They're more likely to hook up with Kendrick Lamar or the Weekend. And they wouldn't get cancelled over it too.

>>137819326No, the art girls have a greater social media presence and are social justice warriors, so no they aren't going to sacrifice that for a racist toxic guy, when they could go on Tinder and find someone who won't get them canceled

>>137819473Naw you're getting played. Women rightly see social media as a shallow playground, even their friends are just shallow upcummy generators for them. But there are some men that make them tingle so much they would throw all the fake shit away. And when it doesn't work out, they just go back to their friends and say he was toxic and abusive>>137819521Yes they would, especially when they're not 16 and actually get a life

>>137819521Plus their social media doesn't even have to know of all the guys she's fucked (a lot)

>>137808078What did Gallo mean by this

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More common than is reported

>>137811780>the point is that the body double WASN'T used on that scene, it was Charlotte Gainsbourg doing it for real.That's a very lofty claim

>>137819157 >>137819157 Yet 90% of the men metoo'd were liberals. Strong men get away with it, feminist nice guys get metoo'd. >And when you're a star, they let you do it. You can do anything. Grab 'em by the pussy. You can do anything.

>>137809976>Children of Charlotte Gainsbourg taunted over her Nymphomaniac role>Yvan Attal, the Franco-British actress’s partner, says her performance in a series of often painfully degrading scenes has had dramatic consequences for the family.>Speaking on French television, he said their children’s school-friends had nicknamed her Oreo - in reference to Nabisco’s chocolate and cream biscuits - because a promotional photograph for the movie showed her naked between two black actors.>“When you….hear that your mother is an Oreo and a thingamajig…,’ Mr Attal said, leaving the sentence unfinished in a sign of his embarrassment.