Original Hardware: The Edition Edition

Woah dude, relax, keep your daddy issues to yourself.

I have recently beaten all the snes games I didn't get to play in my youth so I know exactly which ones I want and which ones I don't want. It is roughly only 20 games. That Nintendo seal of approval though right?

Whats stopping you from just emulating them?

Well see how much the games will cost you.

Nothing really, just curious what other anons have to say on the matter besides "emufags are niggers". It does look pretty comfy to set on up, but I assume most of it is nostalgia and placebo cocktail.

Yeah fair enough, it is either that or buy a modern console like a Ps3/Ps4, WiiU or Switch which doesn't sound like a good idea.

Dude. Modding a US console to play JP games is as easy as breaking plastic with pliers. You literally open the cart slot, grab the tabs with pliers and snap them off. With a JP unit you have to dremel out the shell since US carts are squared, not round.

I like original hardware because there really is nothing like playing the game on the original controller with all the original quirks of the system you remember. It brings up more nostalgia than simply playing the game with a modern controller on PC.

If you don't want to go with a CRT you could get a Framemeister. Upscales old consoles to 720p/1080p and makes them look emulation sharp, even better when you turn on the scanlines. Downsides are it shits it's pants when you play a game that switches resolution in game (Silent Hill on PS1 for example becomes pretty unplayable as it's menu is in 480i but gameplay is in 240p, though games that do this are rare), and it's price (don't listen to fags who complain about display lag, it introduces exactly 1 frame of lag and that shit simply isn't noticeable, anything else comes from the display it's hooked up to). It's a good way to go if you have the money and it sounds like you do, also of note is they stopped producing them in January of this year so supplies are running out, cheapest place to get them at the moment is the official international seller for it: Solaris Japan. Still in stock and still at base price last I checked, I just bought myself a backup in case anything happens to my main.

the games aren't supposed to be sharp my man

also why do emufags have so much trouble staying in their own thread

I don't know, why do CRTfags have so much trouble staying in their's?

do they?

Funny, the PVMs they were developed on made them look pretty sharp.

Emufag, GTFO.

clean your screen you nigger

I expected conflict to be had in this thread, but try and make it constructive. Do either of you have a PVM? My local nursing home is getting an upgrade or reno and I might be able to snag one. I want a small one though.

you seem to.

OP said he doesn't give a shit about CRTs.

That's an Ikegami monitor grille, moron. that IS a PVM.

even they aren't completely sharp. pixels weren't supposed to be square on these systems.

I have about 14

do I?

t. poorfag

GET ONE
If not because they're RGB capable, then because they're engineered for longevity.

Learn how to settings you retard

90% of the reason to buy original hardware is to show it off and pretend you have taste. You won't find systems for a reasonable price anymore, and the games are insanely expensive for anything worth actually owning. Unless you're really, really committed to the idea of owning the hardware and dedicating space for it plus a CRT, it doesn't make a lot of sense.

also because even s-video on them blows away consumer stuff. and they're very neat and compact too.

I've adjusted enough pots in my time

What the fuck OP?

why not get a back up solution, get the superior experience of original hardware and the space saving of not having a million copies of games around?

Not every console has proper back up loading. Not to mention the natural wear and tear on those lowest bidder made disc readers.

The only issue on that front is the SNES. Everything else is 99% backup capable. Just get an Everdrive and whatever specific carts you want from Japan because prices over there are much lower.

SNES isn't an issue on that front, just get an SD2SNES and buy the 6 (maybe less) games worth playing that it can't run, all of which are pretty common.

You're not trying hard enough.

most do, and ODEs exist for disc based systems. More and more are being developed too, even odd systems no one gives a fuck about like the jag CD are getting ODEs.

I've also manually adjusted yokes, more complicated than your drop down menus and sliders my man

snes is about as iffy as it gets, and with so few games being spotty as says, its not even a big hurdle.

If only ODEs weren't made of fucking unobtanium, or if that faggot making the Saturn/DC ones would just outsource already. FFS, having these things rare just pisses off non-scalpers.

Game carts/discs aren't what I was thinking of when I mentioned space. If you have three or four systems hooked up to a CRT, that takes an easy square meter of your floor space, plus or minus depending on furniture. Some people don't think it's worth rearranging their interior to accommodate, and I can't really blame them.
It's also debatable whether original hardware is a "superior experience." It's authentic, certainly, but that doesn't always mean better.

Not for Saturn,PS1 or Dreamcast. PS2 backup loading is iffy too. If you have a slim model you are fucked.

gdemu, rhea, phoebe, and soon, satiator. DC also has hdd ODE, SD ODE, options options options. PS2 will get there soon. Ps1 also has PSIO and $7 laser replacements so…not an issue.

that's the debate right there. Do you value authenticity more or so you value getting a bit less slowdown more? Framerate is important, but there's a lot of pretentiousness involved in citing how important it is. Too bloated and cancerous of a topic to really discuss especially here.

Good luck preordering that shit.
Could you name one? I never heard of this.

And they perform as well as you expect. Unless you're burning top tier discs you're gonna get skipping.

How much longer are original Ps1 and Ps2 games going to last before deterioration kicks in?

Pardon me while I measure the dimensions of my PVM's rack.
C'mon now, at least learn math.

ps1? 70 years. ps2? 100 years. I haven't heard of any CDs except first generation ones degrading.

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Never had any issues with the cheapo lasers from ebay and shit.

Emulation + CRT is even better. Saves space and is way more reliable than ancient region locked hardware.

Don't be an idiot.

PVM's are a meme. You can accurately emulate PVM's aperture grille for free with dozens of shaders so why pay $500 for a shitty 4" screen that requires custom cables and has busted convergance coz it's been used for 100,000 hours.
What you can't accurately emulate is a shadow mask CRT, and they look far superior.

I got this pretty boy and it's only got $500 hours.

500 hours*

Putting framerate aside, the only situation I could see original hardware being advantageous in is multiplayer for the sake of simplicity. And there's all manner of failures hardware is prone to, from dead save batteries and corrupt memory cards to leaking capacitors, bad cart connectors, and worn out disc drives. Emulation eliminates any concern for maintenance, ever.

Thanks for the input, I'm sure your game consoles look swell in your IT lab.

I already have discs from the SNES era with pinholes, user. CD's lifespan was over-estimated. Here's hoping none of our systems get IC rot, though. That shit isn't like a disc whose data can be written to other media. SNES PPUs are already dying.

nothing that can't be fixed, it seems. These are skills that can be learned and these are repairs that are easily and cheaply made.

share some notable documentation or articles on failing discs. Only ones I've seen fail are 1st generation. I heard about the SNES plague, but nothing solid and afaik, causes are undocumented.

Nigger please. Don't act like these are rare.

Original hardware + CRT is way more responsive than emulation. Even if you have a CRT computer monitor there are several layers of buffering from the input to the display that you can never get rid of completely.
Collecting is autism though, just buy flashcarts and don't feed the kike resellers.

walmarts got 'em for like 35 bucks

it's fun watching friends play a game on my crt and then have them tell me how good it feels when I ask them about their own home setup. A friend was even getting screwed up in smash melee because he was used to his emulators timings being off compared to my wii+crt.

I tried to start rebuilding my old SNES collection a few years ago and deeply regret it. I was really lucky to get the actual console for free, but the only games you can find nowadays for an even remotely sensible price are either the first-party games like f-zero or whatever that were printed in huge runs, or the sports games nobody else wants. everything else has been artificially inflated to a truly insulting level and it's a fucking waste of time and money. if you insist on spending money on original hardware and want any games other than madden or wicked 18 golf or whatever, you're better off to just buy an everdrive

PS1 and PS2 libraries are well preserved apart from a select few rare titles.
The real worry is shit like Saturn or Laserdisc which had a low penetration while also being trash in terms of preservation.

Good luck finding a graphics card that outputs 320x240 at 15khz.

Anything that doesn't need language for gameplay can be gotten from Japan for much cheaper. Rockman X2 and X3 are at lost $30 compared to US versions.

crt emudriver is an option and you can do 320x240@120hz on a crt monitor.

If you invest in the hardware, then you'd better invest in a good CRT as well. Playing a 90s or earlier console on a digital display looks as disgusting as emulating with smoothing filters set to maximum.

Go back to Bangladesh.

Also like a previous user said, bringing up taboos like "latency" in original hardware vs emulation is pointless. I have done more then enough research and side by side comparisons in my early days to know it is a terrible meme that most original hardware user use as an argument. Yes, some emulators have faults but most ones have no latency if you know how hardware/software works on a PC. That being said, I will keep pondering over if I want original hardware, but so far it just seems like a novelty.

On another topic, why are speedrunners or the (((Majority))) so religious/cult like over original hardware.

nigger that driver thing is old as fuck, only works on very old cards and there are like 3 or 4 better alternatives. I dont remember right now but let me check my 15khz bible

Because a 14" CRT isn't that terribly heavy?

I don't emulate so I don't keep up with that stuff. I like buttons and panels.

Original hardware and a CRT are mandatory for the best experience.
Emuniggers have never played on original hardware so they think their glitchfest is how the game is supposed to run.

Read the thread faggot.

I love CRTs but hate all aspects of using old consoles (buying, modding, maintenance, dealing with jews everywhere) the only exception being using a real N64, maybe would justify a Dreamcast or Saturn but i never liked most if not all of Sega's Libraries.

How hard is just buy the fucking console and a flashcart?
Git gud, faggot. Stop being a lazy nigger.
What, occasionally wiping contacts with a q-tip?
Flashcarts and modchips, dude.

Dont flashcarts just emulate roms on a card?

I actually love modding and maintenance.

they "emulate" the storage. Actually, not really. They just dump and write to a readable storage for the system to access.

Why does old stuff look so sexy when clean?

You use bleach and the sun for that right?
Also, the JAP snes looks way better then that block.
JUST DONT U DARE PUT NEW LABELS ON THOSE CARTS

because it always looked that good. The problem is when it gets neglected. The aesthetics for these things, they aren't timeless, but they are rich in the time they were from.

just alcohol, a rag, a toothbrush, and sometimes a bit of magic eraser. No sunshine, just care. I don't replace labels, I actually damaged the extreme G label a little bit…

And the my thread is over. Have a nice day faggots.

You still have
I believe you can somewhat solve some of these issues with DirectFB on Linux, but if you're going to that much trouble for your emulation setup (especially purchasing an ancient GPU to use 15KHz modes on a PVM), why not go all the way to real hardware and know you're getting the perfect experience?

pic related

I have an original Earthbound SNES cartridge among others i ve picked through time, when i was a kid, some guy sold it to me with a Donkey Kong label pasted on it, back then i had never touched an RPG, and at first i thought this guy had scammed me, little did i know…

I eventually tried removing the Donkey Kong label since it was a sin having it like that, and turns out the Original label was intact below, good times.

What happens when you take too big a huff of jenkem and fall down?

Until someone builds 1:1 exact copies of original hardware for each console, there's no reason not to. Even the $500 Analogue NT mini has slight audio differences despite trying to be "reference quality". If that sort of thing doesn't bother you though then why not just emulate?

different revisions of consoles also have different results in performance. for example not all PS2's can run all PS2 games, and even not all SNES systems run games the same way. Different revisions offer different results. The issues with the NT mini is about the same as having a genesis model 1, revision 1, and a CDX.

I'm loving my Retron 5 for GBA recording. Native HDMI out works with pretty much any capture card on the market. There's a few titles that don't work, can't remember which ones specifically. I know Metal Jesus mentioned a few on one of his Retron 5 videos.

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I only own consoles that aren't very well emulated, or can't be emulated at all. It's not even all about money, it's also about space. I simply don't have enough space for that many games, and don't really want to. Big houses are pretty damn inconvenient.

Currently, I only own four consoles (probably will own at least two or three more consoles). Emulation for everything else. Just got a new CRT with component video and a really nice screen, but I still don't have the cables that I need, and I still can't hook it up to the PC for the emulators. Doing it soon, though.

There exist flashcarts for even old consoles like the NES. They typically don't support every game, but it would be a good chunk of space saved.

That includes consoles. Having too much of anything is really inconvenient, and it's not like it's my only hobby.

Who are you trying to fool?
Masturbation isn't a hobby

Even if you do it for 4 to 8 hours a day and have a massive porn collection?

Shut up. It's a hobby.

Yes it isn't a hobby Captain Jackoff
i know because I do this as well, life is pain and 3 seconds of bliss every 30 minutes

It's because you can only last 30 minutes. Stop being a casual. Just don't do it for more than 6 hours in one go. Believe me, that burn will take more than a week to heal.

What a fucking retard.

Nigger 30 minutes is the cycle in a round of 8 hours.
I'm seriously thinking about learning Nip because I can only get it hard to obscure stuff most of it not translated.

The Model 1 has the best sound chip revision though. Nobody would make a CDX their main console.

Model 1: High Definition Non TMS
Model 1: TMS
Model 2: Short Mobo revision with good sound chip
everything else

I have autism don't I?

Exactly the point about why discrepancies with the nt mini sound shouldn't matter. If it does, use a real nes.

Being a /tg/ guy does kinda take up space as well. Books, man, books.

>Prepping to softmod my PS2
Would it be easier just to buy a memory card preloaded with the software and skip all the bullshit? I've had enough.

If you have an IDE hard drive and a computer with IDE ports you can just put the softmod directly into the hard drive.

The SNES only gets fucked up from capacitors going out of spec and/or leaking due to age. This happens with any electronic device using electrolytic capacitors, and it's worse on anything that uses cheap capacitors. You need to recap anything around the 20-25 year mark if you want to be certain it will last.

SD2SNES won't play super FX or SA1 chip games. Most SA1 chip games are expensive as fuck, and they include goodies like Mario RPG and Kirby Super Star. Yoshi's Island is super FX, and also fairly expensive.
I'm also not crazy about the CX4 timing it has on MMX2 and 3, the nip version of those carts is cheap, though.
SD2SNES is still worth it, best purchase I made in years.