Muh hard games

All modern games are easy as fuck.

They also aren't fun.

Games today arent that hard. Dark Souls isnt hard, its just a normal challenge rather than trivial "everyone gets to win" bullshit.

No game which is piss easy is fun.

This is what I'm talking about, you fucking nonce. Games can be fun and easy, kirby is one. I want more.

RIP

Harvest moon, spyro games, city building games… Basically any comfy game.

They can't be
Kirby is baby shit that isn't fun. Its a mindless time waster.

Fuck off, it's great.

Still assmad that Cuphead sold well, John?

*blocks your path *

That's what easy mode is for, you nimrod.
That has NEVER been the case because games that cause you to break your controller in frustration are never fun. Their just designed for try-hards who want bragging so that they can stay hip and "In the know". Games are not meant to be hard just to be hard. They are hard because you're putting together a skillset of combos, tactics, and execution methods to beat numerous challenges, and a good game will result in you failing who knows how many times, but also looking forward with a sense of confidence that "I will get it next time" and you pick yourself right back up.

Failure in games shouldn't be the result of cheap shots, unavoidable events, or "Hur dur, you're not smart enough user. U bedder go study the wiki again this weekend."

3D sonic games are made for tards like you.
Brain dead with focus on style over substance.

Practice utilizing your motor skills to make your muscles react in conjunction with the information your brain processes from your vision.

It's not the first time I heard that but is he really, I've been wondering all this time. I really don't want to believe it.

git gud

Ideally, you want a game that offers a fair challenge, without becoming an exercise in masochism. Dark Souls and Cuphead are just right. I Want to be the Guy, not so much.

Easy modes suffer the same shit that most hard modes do, just makes the enemies fall over when you look at them and the game isn't designed around it so it becomes a walking sim. I share your sentiment for the rest though.

Well at least you're contributing to the thread as you spout stupid memes.

But the most fun games are the ones that require effort to play. Games are GAMES, they shouldn't be interactive TV shows, they shouldn't be made for you to turn your brain off and zone out while playing. What's even the point of playing a game if there is absolutely no challenge to it? Just watch a show/movie.

Alternatively sort your fucking life out so you don't need to escape into the void of your mind just to experience FUN!

Or you could tow the line.

I hate this goddamn "comfy" meme. Games with no purpose aren't fun to me, and games that are easily and/or quickly beaten aren't fun.

It's distracting, sure. Entertaining? In the same way a fucking fidget spinner is. If you're okay with extremely simple-minded activity, why go to the lengths required to play a video game when you can just watch TV or play with your balls instead and get just as much enjoyment?

I'm tired, I don't want to put effort in, and I don't have anything to watch.

No one said comfy you retard.

God damn it I fucking did it again.

This is you, isn't it?

Challenge serves a purpose. To push you to do better until the game beats you or you beat the game. Think metal slug. But Red faction gorillaz isnt hard, but it's fun. Dark souls isnt hard but its challenging.
Both games are fun because they allow a degree of freedom with how you play. Theyre more about experimentation than just skill. Figuring out what works can be part of the challenge. But that differs from skill challenge like a fast song in a rhythm game. Or a bullet hell level in a shooter

That's not applicable because I'm not playing with someone else who wants to take the game seriously.

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Baka

AWWW THEY MADE ONE GAME, ONE FUCKING GAME THATS A BIT CHALLENGING, LOOK AT ME IM A HUGE CAUSAL FAGGOT, I CANT DEAL WITH THIS SHIT , WHY ISNT EVERY GAME A PIECE OF SHIT CASUAL GARBAGE?

MUH COMFY AMIRIGTH GUISE

DO I FIT IN YET? PLEASE LET ME FIT IN

This is why we cant have nice things, end yourself you piece of shit

Sorry if we fetishize skill too much for you user

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He never said it was. Answer the question. That's you, isn't it?

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Why re-invent the wheel? Just make a fucking good game

Then don't play games, don't complain about games, consume literally any other form of media. Complaining that games don't win themselves for you because you don't want to put effort in is pathetic.

Go watch movies if you don't want a challenge you fuckin faggot.

No. Easy games can be fun, and I want some fun easy games.

I enjoyed Slime Rancher. It borders mind numbing time waste and slightly complex fairly well.

The hgame dev curse is real.

boner ruined

This better not be futashit.

Kill yourself. Go play xyz simulator or something.
I hear online facebook tetris is pretty easy

Go to a guetto wearing girl clothes and play the "getting raped" game, you wont have to do anything.

Always funny to see Holla Forums whipped up into a dick waving contest about how hardcore they are.

Not all games are for casual times user. It's just the way things are.

Die idiot.

@13722496

You having trouble replying there mate?

STOP LIKING HARD GAME! ITS A FUCKING MEME! YOU GUISE JUST WANT TO DICK WAVE! MUH COMFY

I would turn a faggot like you inside out by shoving my arm up your butthole and pulling your thongue out your ass. Am i hardcore enough for ya?

GODDAMMIT I FUCKING HATE VIDEO GAMES

The work of one who consorts with beasts is pretty fun, and also pretty easy because a certain something is stupidly overpowered while also being the most fun move to use.

Finally, a voice of reason.

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I REALLY HATE VIDEO GAMES

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Well this thread is going to shit. What games have you guys been playing that's been giving you a hard time or at least challenging you?

I'm playing through Mary Skelter right now and some of the Nightmares can be tough. The Temple Nightmare wasn't that hard himself. The silly gimmick of how you fought him was what made it challenging. You had to break multiple parts of him inside a tower because he's gigantic. You can't heal outside of battle either. But the biggest fuck you is that there are hidden forced battles inside there. Step on one and the boss can attack you while you fight insanely powerful enemies. After some trial and error I memorized the hidden spots and kicked his ass. My party didn't really have anyone tank status or any defensive buffs so the enemies could OHKO some of my party members.

I recently started playing C&C forged alliance, and I really wish the tutorial was a lot better because I have no idea what I'm doing.

acquire proficiency

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Enjoying your horseshit website crushing its insides out, NeoFag?

Games do not have to be hard to be fun, but overcoming a challenge instills achievement. If there is no challenge, there is no achievement. Killing a dragon means nothing if you can do it in the first hour of a game without breaking a sweat. But a dragon that requires you to learn its combat patterns, to dodge and time your attacks, to take advantage of game mechanics and ultimately overcome.
The latest generations have been coddled by their parents, media and society, told they are special when they do nothing to achieve, standards lowered to allow them to progress and ultimately given too many allowances to let them win (in life) where they should fail, leading to an entitlement that everything should be so easy. So every time there is a Dark Souls or Cup Head that comes along and punishes people who refuse to spend the time learning how to play, dodge and master mechanics properly and get really mad at videogames, of course I'm going to laugh.
Irregardless, people on Holla Forums don't shit on you when you bitch about getting stuck in Cup Head or Dark Souls. They offer prompting or generalist advice, because there are only two things that ever hold you back in these games.
>2. Yourself

Just use save states or game genie. That's what I do.

OP if you prefer videogames that do not reward your skill/mastery of its mechanics perhaps you should pursue some less interactive mediums of entertainment. the new Disney's(tm) Pixar's(tm) Star Wars (tm) Rouge one (tm) a Star-Wars(tm) Story(tm) should be some great enjoyment for you.

I don't think a game should be hard. A game should challenge the player and require them to get better at said game in order to beat it. There's a difference between fair challenge and making a game unreasonably difficult.

This. A game that's made to be easy will most likely lack in depth. Or whatever depth it would have doesn't matter because it will give you the same results as playing at the most basic level. Games were always made to have some sort of challenge until the past several years. Now they just throw a ton of rewards at you for not doing anything really tasking. It's also why many people don't remember lots of things about the game they played if it was easy. It all just blends together like a long drive on cruise control.

If I want to get comfy, I'll just read a visual novel. Even then, some VNs have gameplay that actually challenges you like Kamidori Alchemy Meister.

>>>/neofag/
>>>/cuckchan/
>>>/ovens/

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IMMEDIATELY KILL YOURSELF

NeoGaf refugees pls go.

Fuckin' casual
Go play Gone Homo or something.

Fuck off.

OP, since you're a faggot who doesn't want to put effort into anythi… I mean since you like Kirby maybe you'd like Klonoa.

Irregardless is an actual word faggot. Don't fall for the Seth Macfarlane meme

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The problem is this: jst like with faggots, it's not enough to have both sides of the issue represented. 'Easy' and 'hard' games cannot coexist. As soon as you enable casual games to set in, their culture starts pushing out the skill based ones.

The solution is the essence of red pilling: acid and acrid, but working. You have to split the market and the communities in two, and keep them very far from each other.

And people wonder why americans got angry kirby

improve

Used by morons who think more syllables makes them sound more smarterer.

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Warframe

I am having flashbacks just reading the filename

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You would have got if me not for
Too obvious, surprised so many people fell for it.

What're you, gay?

I hate comfyfags.

what meme? most games are easy as shit and the only time a "dude so hard" game rolls around its because of reviewer/casual incompetence more than anything. Dark Souls isn't that hard but it actually punishes mistakes which was and is still mostly fucking unheard of in the modern market which is why people think its so hard

Games actually being a challenge is fun since it forces one to put in this little thing rarely seen these past two gens that being fucking effort into being good at a fucking game.

and there i was expecting that not to be porn

try katamari damacy, its not too hard to get the objectives, and its fun, until it gets boring

>It's not gay if she has a feminine penis
Come on, user. We've had this conversation a thousand times.
Enjoy your complimentary (you)'s

What this user says is true, I started fapping to futa and over time I'v started fapping to gayer and gayer shit.
It's a downward spiral.
I'm fapping to more girly/traps boys now. I'm haven't been fapping to buff dudes yet but if that happens in a few years I wouldn't even be surprised anymore.

what about futa on female? that's like strap on porn right?

All jRPGs are piss easy so maybe you should play those you queer.

You would think that.
but It starts with futa on female then it can easily go to Futa on Futa, and then you could get tricked to into Male on Futa.
Then at some point, You don't know when! it became male on male!
A girly male but still that shits gay.

Try out buff girls for a nice change of pace. Also, there is no penis.

This is a place I didn't expect the thread to go.

Acquire skill higher than thine current proficiency, knave.

I can occasionly tolerate futa on female but if i see the futa on futa tag i generally go find something else. plus we all know patrcians fap to vanilla tomboy porn and maybe some light bondage

It's usually either this or dubsposting, maybe a roll sheet if the vols are off their ritalin.

When it comes to Porn I don't even try to argue with my dick anymore. it takes full control and the rest of me is just along for the ride, wondering where we're going to end up this time.

This is really the pinnacle of fapping here. A true man allows his penis to guide him, regardless of what others think.

クール数字たちだ

porn addiction is very real, before you know you will be fapping to gay shit

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What are you all fapping to? Could we share some doujins or images?
In pic related female Oda Nobunaga unifies Japan by fucking.

Good thing that hairy macho man-ass on man-ass doesn't turn me on. There needs to be atleast something feminine in it to make it work for me. tbh. You've got a problem when you can't get it up for normal women anymore.

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nhentai.net/g/212180/
tomboys for life

It's like people who call out everything as homosexual have never actually seen what homosexuals actually watch. A quick look at 4/gif/ or /cuteboys/ or anything gayfur would quickly show you this.

That's not how it works. You don't just go from vanilla to full blown shitting dick nipples just from fapping too much. It's more like you are hard wired with a few dormant fetishes with some room to gain appreciation for different things. The reason we go on a cycle is that we're just looking for something different than what we are used to fapping to. That can range from something extreme to vanilla. Most people will discover some of their fetishes while some never do and stick to a variety of vanilla stuff.

I still find scat and pissing disgusting and always have. However I've come to love good leg, pantyhose, and sumata. Yet one of my main kinks is still paizuri and that has yet to change despite fapping for years to various stuff. Saying that, people who converted to homosexual material had something they already enjoyed about it in the first place but didn't realize it.

この数字たちがいいですね

Man ass is gross, I can agree, if it ain't round I ain't takin' it to the pound.

I don't have much in the way of specific doujins in mind right now, but I did fap to this not too long ago.

No, that's numale. A man's ideal nature is that of domination, of control. To truly unlock the greatness in your XY chromosomes, you must learn discipline and self- control.

Fapping addictions are a spiritual problem.

oh lordy that gets my motor running

You know what truly is the partician's porn?
A loving relationship between a fit tomboy and a muscular powerlifter where they have sweaty post workout sex for the purpose of procreation in the missionary position and then cuddle each other in the shower/bed

Might as well just watch two dudes fuck, faggot

Sounds like an ideal, maybe when you're done in fantasy land you can join us here in the real world, where the majority of women let their tits get saggy the moment you say, "I do"

Let me guess, you are still a newbie that will fap twice, maybe 3 times a day and get done.
Say that shit again when you are fapping more than 10 times a day. You start on the most vanilla shit and not even know how the fuck you ended fapping to the crap you are fapping to on the same day.

Listen virgin, you are sore and tired all the goddamn time when powerlifting, also making you hearth too muscular isnt good for sex

You got it, user!

pft, even earlier than that. my roommates girlfriend stopped giving a fuck the moment they got engaged and treats him like shit now. Normalfag memes also constantly promote being a trashy fuck. the shit you see if you put up with normalfags is appalling.

user delivers, danks.

I'm believe some of my taste in porn would be frowned upon. nothing as degenerate as vore or shit like that, but Due to my earliest porn viewing experiences being from Newground's Adult flash sections, the things I fap to are incredibly broad and often far lacking in the quality that is to be excepted when posting porn on Holla Forums
I'v fapped to many over sized furry tits in my day.

I just like a strength/size difference in my porn.

Why not hit the gym to get buffed & find a fit girlfriend? That's what I've been thinking.

One would assume his whole problem is that they stop being fit post a commitment.

Ooh nice

Anyone who tells you some fetish is degenerate is just being a retard no fun faggot. Pay them no mind.

I'm sick of these "hard games aren't fun" threads. Every thread that complains about difficult games mentions Dark Souls for no reason. So tell me Holla Forums, why do people who are bad at video games make threads on this board?

I have been taking my fitness more seriously lately, i work out at home and have started jogging but I'm still too pussy to go to a gym

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I totally understand that but I also see that unless it's a Sonic thread kek Holla Forums isn't the place for fur shit.

What did you mean by this?

If you actually want to know what I'm into besides those. It's loli, femdom, futa on female, vore, parasite, kemono, deepthroating, insects, size difference, stomach deformation, heart pupils, and kissing. I've found that fapping more than 2 times is pointless unless stupid horny. It's better to have 1 really good fap instead of many smaller ones. I'll just convince myself not to fap since I realize the pay off would be very unsatisfying. Then again, if you were addicted, that may not even matter.

My collection only consists of 2D though. Besides a few webms, there are no full videos. I've shared it a few times in the share thread actually.

What did I mean indeed.

Too busy losing to enjoy themselves. It's even worse for fighting games as casuals make up myths on why they can't play them.
Meanwhile my friend got on my level in 10 hours of gameplay just by learning from me, who has been playing for years while he's relatively new.

I don't know why, but those fetishes seem really common. All the jap artists I follow on twitter have the same taste as you. Also that's a lot of pornography.

Where do you live? If I'm right next door, I can come joggin with you.

I doubt you live in my RI and jogging with a stranger from the internet seems sketchy

You're true about that, user.

This. Fighting games are one of the few genres that casuals don't shit up by proxy. I mean I'm raw shit. Just plain awful and anyone with even a modicum of skill would probably laugh at me. But getting better is half of the fun.

I'm literally trying to have my cake and eat it, too.

Only a few of my tastes are extreme. Though I don't mind guro, I don't fap to it. Same with kemono. I don't fap to it but I like some of the art. Most of my "porn" is actually just ecchi and not actual screwing. As for it's size, it took ages to organize. Which is why there are so many files.

What do you play? I don't mind helping people get better. Right now I'm playing Nitroplus Blasters and Gundam Versus if you consider that a fighter.

Check'em.

Recently picked up Guilty Gear Xrd-Revelator, and Melty Blood Actress Again Current Code. I'm just going to come clean and say I picked them because of characters I thought were cool.

What games would those be OP because anything that was made in the last twenty years hasn't been hard at all. At most you get games that are just trial and error that are disguised as hard because you couldn't have possibly known what was coming and then you just beat it immediately after because you know whats going to happen.

All games don't have to be ultra hard. By that same token, all games shouldn't be piss easy. That was the point of the difficulty option but developers got lazy with it by just changing health and damage parameters instead of number of enemies, placement and skills available.

This is always what bugged me about NG+ in games. It's usually the same game, but things are beefier. Using Dark Souls as an example, how great would it be if enemies were either placed differently, or came in groups where there were singles. Maybe entire bosses show up in different spots because "reasons".

Barely touched GG since XX Reload but Melty is pretty fun. I just got into it myself as I just found a friend to play. I would say give Chaos Code a try too. It has some pretty cool characters on top of some interesting mechanics. Like a chef grappler who slaps people around with sausage links or does a double lariat with dinner plates.

Full blown homos don't like anything feminine. Faggots don't like futa because its girl and dislike traps because it feminine. Homosexuality is based around female hate.

A game does not need to be "hard" necessarily, but it does need to present some sort of challenge to be an actual game. Epic Yarn and many other modern Kirby games which piss all over Kirby's roots to pander to an extremely infantile edutainment-tier class of fans are sadly little more than Heroin Heroes.

yeah , you are just a newbie, if i collected porn there wouldnt be enough space on google servers for it

Hello fellow shitposter. What have you been fappan' to?

most weight i ever put on was when i was working in a kitchen, glad i don't do that anymore

thats a fact, you will always see a women hating tag on a crossdresser profile, pretty sure if you dig into full gay shit it only gets more obvious those fart smellers are full of hate

i wonder how much more we gotta shitpost for this thread to get deleted

nice semen demon

Everyone is tired of that shit. Stop caring about other people and popular trends, on this particular occasion I mean. Play the games you like and don't be super twitter proud that you play easy games. That shit is just annoying. There is way more to games than difficulty.

I'm gonna put some context on how this shit works, so pay attention:
"Hard games meme" can be divided into two camps of people. One camp likes to just be entertained with very little effort on their part. They want to relax through inaction or just participate in a small way. The other camp wants to be entertained through challenge and overcome obstacles to be entertained. They want to "blow off steam" and relax through satisfaction of success. Both camps are equally valid in the terms of having fun in your sparetime. Most people are partly in both of the "camps".

We are talking about entertainment media, so none of this should matter outside of your personal experience. Do what you like, play what you want, and don't post about it arrogantly in the internet. But mostly thanks to human nature, socialmedia and marketing, people are pushed forcefully to buy and play things they don't like. This push creates controversy that is not wanted or needed…

Buuut while writing this, I noticed that this has become shitposting dubs thread, I'm out. Let's do a real meta-"gitgud" thread sometime in the future.if possible

Quality over quantity. Anyone can fill there there HDD with a bunch of stuff they'll fap to once and never look at again.

This thread is video games, it's not gonna go. and if that's true why are so many fags feminists?

I can post more if you do too, user. The best images are yet to be post. :^)

what retards made that for the wii? "you know what tihs game about a cute talking cartoon cat needs? i more realistic and less prismatic color palette"

those arent fags, they are either betas trying to get any scraps or chads that want these crazed sluts to become even more degenerate

unless you mean how fags pretend to be PC, they do it just to fit in

Your really bustin' my balls dude.

Not everybody. Most people don't care one way or another. It's just that the "media" has a pretty clear bias towards lowering the bar, calling any game that is remotely challenging the "Dark Souls of X". Which is funny because even dark souls wasn't difficult as much as it was not a game that made things easy.

You're forgetting that group makes up a third camp as well. They don't want easy games to relax to, they want to lower the standard of what is considered difficult for everyone, including the other two camps. We've seen it in how they treat the "gitgud" mentality completely negatively while praising nongames and "story rich" titles with as much interactivity as a show on tv. Games should be a challenge. Even if it's a small challenge it should still require the player to actually have to put a conscious effort into things.

It's one post that's been ignored by everyone but you. You're just afraid of someone challenging your opinion.

Well kirby you already got
Animal Crossing
Harvest Moon/Stardew Valley
Midboss
Thief 1+2 were sort of easy if you took it slow
Slime Rancher
A story about my uncle (This is actually the funnest, its about having a laser grappling hook)
Oxenfree (Not much of a game)
Yoshi games are about the same as Kirby in terms of difficulty
Viscera clean up detail
Neopets has some good minigames
Antichamber sort of counts, its a puzzle game though
Diaries of a Spaceport Janitor (I'm not 100% on this having a point though, I still can't find one of the idols)

Sonic Forces

don't go there, i love and hate that artist because of that bullshit

I think you have a solid good point - the third camp. Those who push games to be "a platform to everyone", like TV. Brainless to the point of being brainwashing. But those people, the third camp, are not really the consumers of games. My point was to focus on the camps that love games - both in it's own way.

True. I did not want to be confronted for my post, I lost interest half way through writing that. Mostly because I like slower boards, but mainly because I think "The Big World" is better to be discussed elsewhere. Good post, It's nice to be called out, every once and a while.

At least he's more jovial then autistic about it.
That and He makes me fall in love with Tewi

I'm mostly in it for Mokou

That's fucking autistic.

More people need to play this game. It's short, sweet, knows what it's good at, and has a qt frog daughter for you. What more could you ask for?

Games don't need to be easy to be enjoyed casually. Tetris isn't necessarily easy, I mean you'll most likely die eventually, yet it's pretty much a casual game. I like to think Doom and Nethack as casual games because you can just hop in, play for a 10 minutes while pausing and doing something else at the same time. They don't require too much focus and investment from your part. Yet they're both quite hard and challenging.

Some RPGs can be easy yet requires you to have the right mood and enough time to enjoy playing them. They're not casual at all yet they can be like watching a movie when it comes to the difficulty. No challenge whatsoever.

I hated Maggie really. All the frog people just looked wrong to me, and that bitch made me not use the grappling hook for one of the funnest sections with it.
And I'd ask for a level creating tool, I'd kill to see some challenge courses after I finished the ice caves without landing.

You could have used it, just sounds like you wanted the achievement. That bit was no different than the ice caves in that respect, otherwise I agree, the ice caves were a great challenge, and I would love a level editor too. I can only imagine what other people could come up with

Really good games can be light and fun to play but the best games really are the "hard" games i.e. games that you have to learn how to play and have average reflexes. I think most games that people call "hard" are actually pretty simple games it's just that they want something mindless that they can play and digest. And while it's fun to play something casual and mindless sometimes, there is nothing more rewarding than finally finishing something that you've been trying to beat for a long time.

I was offered a challenge and I took it.
Being a completionist is terrible user.

I know this feeling all to well, friend.

I think that there are actually 4 groups out there. I made a chart showing where they are all at. In my view the cancer is coming from people on the right side of the chart. Rather than just playing whatever they feel like, it has to be made into a social thing. They get together to talk about how cool they all are for playing the same game they decided was hard. They complain about how a need for challenge is a thing of the past and devs should focus on inclusiveness and accessibility. Either way, they're not playing video games they are just circle jerking. I think that people that hate difficulty and care about public opinion are probably more damaging though. They need to make changes to whatever everybody else is playing to get their satisfaction. It can be hard to tell how much someone actually cares about public opinion. Someone that can't stand the fact that they can't deal with difficulty may hide behind the comfy meme for example.

La Mulana is a prevalent example of a game that is not really that fun but people overglorify because its punishment is hard.

Use real words.

The farther to the right you go, the more normalfag you become. Que poltards crying about SUBLIMINAL MESSAGING.

Did you hurt your arm reaching to make that connection?

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Hi Holla Forums

You don't know what you are talking about.
1st, it would be futa on male. It doesn't make much sense, but that is how it is.
2nd, you are likely to encounter male on male first than futa on futa.
Then there is also that you wouldn't develop homosexuality if you were not suppressing it in the first place. However an ability to appreciate futa and other publicly frowned upon fetishes would let you fap to something that could be considered gay.

What's the progression you are implying? To fuel "10 times a day" addiction not only do you need massive amounts of pornographic material, but you also need a lot of time not only to fap, but to find and download everything. It would take at least half a day, that would leave almost no room for anything else, meaning that this is not natural even for Holla Forums going shut ins, which are minority here btw.
In other words, fuck off with your bullshit.

He is either baiting or making stuff up for attention.

But that would only mean that you were always trash, while your friend was either hiding his powerlevel or has a way higher IQ than you do :^).

Nice post. We need to have a good meta-"gitgud" thread. This is not it, I'm too tired to post good shit and the timezones combined with the semi-fast deletion of threads makes it nearly impossible to even have one. I think that the only way to do this, is to cross post from another board, or to just force it happen. If hotshit would give us a locked thread, with some moderation for 2 days, I think we could make some new shit happen.

So this is what pisses me the fuck off:
Gambling mechanics in games sold to minors, lack of reliable media coverage, gamers being demonized in the "nu-media", phone games using secretly mined data to specifically target "whales", no matter who they areage. Laws to get this in control is being delayed infinitely by lobbyists and representatives claiming to represent the democracy. These people are deliberately selling digital heroine to minors, and no-one is doing a god damn thing. It's bigger that us. It's about the future. Help me.

Except having lower values on the left and higher values on the right is pretty standard for graphs. And politics, you commie fag.

That chart just makes everyone look like fags.

I'm fine with gamers being demonized, maybe that way everyone will fuck off. And I don't think government intervention is gonna save anyone from anything. Just look at pachinko in japan, or at least until they legalized gambling again.

Not all games need to be hard to be fun. In fact, there are more casual games where you're bombarded with casual fun than there is hard games at all.

I was going to write some shit about it's about engagement which higher difficulty provides more of but then I re read the OP past the title and seen.
IGN's 2 blocks down my guy,, they'll appreciate your shitter attitude more.

Every time.

Dark souls started the "you die a lot so it's really hard you guize" meme, which is why I included it.

you have no idea kiddos, im like a lvl 99 at this shit, you are puny lvl 1s

Post you collection in the share thread then.

My point is conveyed, faggot. You hardly rebuked my statement.

When I did nofap, it was the complete opposite for me.
My tastes got increasingly more degenerate as it went on with the desire to fap to handholding and consensual bondage with plenty of kissing kept rising.

It's okay, you'll be fluent in English someday.

when i do nofap i thinking about marrying and having kids, im fucked up

Victor was a cuck, Tommy is a real patrician.

VERY patrician

Which Jojo game is that, even? It doesn't look like a fighting game.

games need to be challenging to be good and fun, the challenge is the core component of a game and the only thing that separates it from passive mediums like film, music,or literature
there is nothing inherently wrong with those other mediums mind you, but if there is no challenge then there is no game
I surmise that the very essence of games is overcoming challenges, and the harder the challenge that is overcome the more of a game it is, meaning that if you easily overcome all challenges you barely played anything, and if you cannot overcome a challenge you are likewise not getting gameplay

The only bad thing about it is how little of it actually exists.

I don't get how anons had trouble with this. I can beat this in every single thread it's posted without much trouble, beyond maybe fucking Owl, who triggers me no end.

yeah it fucking sucks dick, bro. I found a few doujins here and there that entail that stuff and they're miles better than usual bondage stuff

what is it lads? My computer is saying its dangerous and im scared to open it to see if its a virus>>13722268

I legit wouldn't shit on it so hard if it was solely consensual.

The degenerate scum that don't care need to be chainsawed. Rape should always be only enjoyable no matter the cynicism.

Sounds a bit hot.

Jojo's Bizarre Adventure: Heritage for the Future. It was the 2D fighting game by Capcom for arcades, PS1, and Dreamcast. Was most likely many westerners first exposure to Jojo.

I VISIT REDDIT TOO MY DUDE
LOOK AT THIS EPIC RICK AND MORTY MEME I FOUND THERE

that's only used for quotes and lists, user
use ; instead

I recently played Dropsy. It was fine for what it is. I would suggest playing a point and click or maybe a light platformer like Shovel Knight?

I don't really see the problem here. Everyone has something they're into and it shouldn't be a problem to fap to it as long as they don't shove it down anyone's throat or cause harm. If someone faps to gay shit I don't care.

Getting off to mutilation and murder is a mental illness. That pathetic edgy shit does nothing but reflect an actual degenerate subhuman with absolutely no natural sexual appeal.

And yes, the retarded hipsters shove it down your throat.

That shit isn't a kink, it's just tryhard edgy shock value material from obnoxious retards meant to look as evil or twisted as possible.

I fucking loathe pseudonintellectuals.

You're assuming sexual urges are linked to how a person acts or behaves. Like the idea that someone that has a rape fetish would most likely treat (or at least see) women/men as only object to satisfy him/her. Or if a man has a femdom fetish, they must put women on a higher totem pole than them. People don't control their fetish but people can warp their personality around one. Furries can end up being very obnoxious because their community is made up of people who knowingly are into something that many detest so they feel like underdogs (no pun intended). They've let their fetish dictate how they communicate. Though it doesn't help that the community is full of suicidal homosexuals.

Either way, it has nothing to do with how much sexual experience or appeal since fetishes are usually hard wired into our brain to find X as attractive.

While many edgy people do grab it just for shock value, that doesn't mean people can't find it attractive.

Any JRPG, for starters. Eternal sonata, chrono cross, etc. Anything turn based that isn't tactics is pretty cake. Dynasty warriors is mildly enjoyable and easy as hell. Most 3d platformers like mario or ape escape are easy. Metroid games are fairly low on the difficulty scale, at least the ones I've played. For megaman, the ZX games are much easier than the older games, unless you play on hard mode.

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>>>/reddit/
>>>/4chan/

I think this guy is from reddit.

Neofag

I once got hard when observing the mutilated bodies of females enemies on Fallout. I get why people get off to that shit in a sense of "blood of your enemies", "hatefucking", but people that get off to innocent people being tortured, yep thats definetly mental illness.

and dropped

There's no response to this except Git Gud. Few games, especially modern ones, "dump" deaths on you without warning. You just suck and got punished with death for that.
If you weren't a casual faggot, you'd acquire proficiency and learn how to not die. That is, itself, fun.

I also think he is a redditor.

Thank you.

I don't care if it's just being cut a little, or zombies raping hot chicks, but if it's shit like destroying eyes or disemboweling, it should be shit on relentlessly and encouraged to kill itself.

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I want to be the guy is a meme game, but it can be beat
Dank Souls was never hard, but simply required a mindset that had been trained out of people over the years by shitty devs and triple AYYY cancer.
Everything else that pretends to be "hardcore" by making you die a lot is just poorly designed.

Wait never mind about the already posted thing, it must have been in another thread. The other points still stand though. You get the ax.

So harmless masturbation to something you personally find offensive is wrong and a mental but bullying someone into to suicide for being different is okay.

Seek help.

What if it's duel bosses absolutely tearing the shit out of you until you git gud? Even having their own combo meter just to mock you at how much they're going to fuck you up by being able to teleport and blow the shit up out of the battlefield?

where the fuck do you think you are

Absolute shit marginalization. There is nothing but pathetic depravity that retarded serial killers live off of and you can't defend wanting to see that shit.

I'm not validating your pathetic pseudointellectual compromising for the sake of convenience of your own fetishes bullshit I'd expect from fucking tumblr and deviantart with their "MUH KINK SHAMING!!1!1!"

Really glad there's no dick

Nice.

Yes, it does mean that because there factually is nothing sexually attractive, just another shitty nonsensical brain defect retards are too insecure to accept and get overdefensive about.

Wanting to mutilate and murder a sexy or beautiful sexual partner is subhuman and mentally ill and I shouldn't have to state this simple human logic and morality, even on a shithole like Holla Forums infested with edgy retards that spew senseless contrarian shit just because they think it somehow looks more "smart".

People have absolutely no obligation to be tolerant or civil about this shit and they'll rightfully condemn and stigmatize it until the end of time.

on who's fucking authority?

It's called biology and hormones.

Don't try and pull that. Science is no where near close enough to understanding the brain enough to know why people develop certain fetishes.

I don't know where you people come from, but you have to leave, and preferably kill yourself.

Are you for real?

show me the evidence.

C'mon user, the thread has 245 replies. Why derail it now?

it has been off the rails for a long time now. Only a few people have bothered posting on topic and of those less than half are anything more than git gud.

Even people who fap to furry tits and fucking 3D pedos I find obnoxious and insufferable have roots in wanting to breed or enjoy intimately.

We wish only to inflict violence on our food we hunt and on threats to our existence as well as sentimentally other existences and objects we value. These subhumans pathetically have fucking nothing.

Fetishes are mostly just Pavlovian conditioning. You fap while looking at a certain type of porn, and your body rewards you for it. Simple. A fetish is simply defined as a sexual attraction to something not inherently sexual (ie: something not the genitals or a universally erogenous zone). So attraction to dogs or kids or the same gender is NOT a fetish, no matter how much you dislike it. Attraction to tits is a fetish; despite it being a completely mainstream fetish that is accepted as "normal" in modern society, it has no basis in biology. Primitive tribes have the females walk around with their tits hanging out all the time, and nobody gives a crap.

I'm not into guro, but can you seriously not see that probably escalated from something softer? It could have all started with spanking and gone from there.

Look up what the definition of fetish is retard.

I've already provided it. "A fetish is simply defined as a sexual attraction to something not inherently sexual."

Did you try actually reading what I wrote instead of skimming it until you found one line you disagreed with? I thought not.

Then attraction to dogs and kids and the same six IS a fetish, as those are normally not sexual things.

Right. I forgot we cut the genitals off of dogs, and children don't have functional ones until the legal age-of-consent for the territory you're currently in, and when two men are in the same room their dicks retract into their bodies.

I am going to make this post for anyone who isn't fucking mentally ill so that other anons can see it,and form a coherent argument against this kind of perversion. My argument is as follows, you will not be able to refute it.
1. Sexual urges are given to you by your brain for the purpose of procreation, if we did not procreate sexually our brains would have no reason to give us these feelings as they would serve no biological function.
2. If you have a sexual desire that is not geared towards procreation let's use furries as an example. Then you are mentally ill, to what degree is up for debate, but you have a desire to have sex with something you cannot procreate with.
This is why we can objectively say pedos, furries, zoophilia, gore, and many more are rooted in mental illness. Your brain is broken, please seek help.

what the fuck are you going on about?

Regardless of how you feel about the legality of pursuing sex with them, to think that children and animals aren't sexual is retarded.

Humans feel many things that serve no biological function, there is a flaw in your statement.

Are you really claiming that dogs and kids are MORE sexual than tits? And you are really projecting here, 99% of people don't find anything sexual about animals or kids.

A fetish for spanking, femdom or bondage does not have any correlation with wanting to tear out intestines, ram dicks through eyes or fatally fuck brains. That is unmistakably only a mental defect that has nothing to do with the procreation or intimacy purpose and appeal of sex.

Sexuality is not one of them. It is a purely biological function.

Separating sex from reproduction is one of the crowning achievements of human sapience, so much so that it's commonly used as a metric for measuring the intelligence of other animals: whether or not they have sex for pleasure. To deny this for a basic appeal to nature fallacy only shows your lack of critical thought on the subject.

And what authority do you have to make that claim? Do you have proof sexuality is segregated from other mental functions?

It could easily go from spanking, to ryona, to guro. Happens with other fetishes.

People literally everywhere say they want to marry or have babies with someone. Loli and furry characters can possess the traits found behaviorally appealing in children and animals when fetishized, like catgirls going into heat or wanting to purr on their master's lap or lolis being able to play innocent for their parents or other authority figures.

In that sense, it's still founded in the desire to procreate and the sentimentality of romance that convenientlly and universally serves it with its appeal. The only obvious problem is that's fantasy and obviously completely unobtainable.

False equivalence, you are using a condom to prevent pregnancy, or disease. This has nothing to do with sexual attraction.
Also a false equivalence. You are relieving sexual pressure, this still doesn't mean pedophilia for example isn't mental illness.
You're three for three with false equivalence. That scenario still doesn't have anything to do with sexual attraction.

Biology.

Would you like to cite a study of some kind or continue talking out of your ass?

Your entire claim was that fucking something that you can't procreate with is mental illness. I provided three examples where you can fuck something that cannot procreate with. Just because you know a term from proper debate doesn't mean you're using it correctly.

Here's one you can't get out of: If pedophilia is so wrong, then how is knocking up a 12-year-old girl wrong? It's procreation!

In other words, the brain is still working as ot should, but things got a little glitchy.

That makes absolutely no sense. There has to be a preexisting appeal and a conscious desire for a fetish to "intensify".

Wanting to beat someone mercilessly without sexual pleasure intended for the victim is not the same thing as bondage.

Please educate yourself.

Your entire claim was that fucking something that you can't procreate with is mental illness.
Correct.
And they were all incorrect.

Wait a minute. Girls can have children at awfully young ages.

True
False. You don't need a biological pretext in order to engage in sexual activity. Humans have evolved to choose when they can procreate, and sexual activity is perceived as a recreational activity.
False. As previously mentioned, and because sexual activity can be engaged in for the purposes of recreation, it is possible to utilize sexual activity for personal gratification, without bringing a life into the world.
The (rightful) disgust that the majority of the population has with these types likely stems from their subversion of what is considered a social norm (i.e. most "normal" people do not have sex with children or animals). The simple fact that some of these people can be classified as mentally ill is a secondary piece of information that does not necessarily have any meaningful importance to discussion over whether or not said activity should be considered acceptable.

I like how you just ignored my challenge about pedophilia. Therefore you concede the argument. Therefore you lose. Good day, sir!

are you telling me you can get a condom, a hand, and a barren woman can be impregnated?

Pedophilia is wrong because you're intended to be attracted to a properly developed woman that will bear healthy offspring and even in the case of sentimentality, kids are fucking annoying ugly retards you'd have to be legitimately brain damaged to find sexually or romantically appealing. Loli knows this and deliberately works to remove any and all realistic and physically and psychologically unattractive negative aspects.

This is why pedophilia is a mental illness.

No there doesn't. The brain is a chaotic thing. Maybe you found some porn with spanking a little harder than before, and it awakened the fetish in you.

Those aren't looking like proofs friend. If you are so educated it should be no problem to point specifically where it says that sexuality is fundamentally divided from other mental functions.

Let's not forget even enabling lolis to safely get pregnant or have nice big tits.

Twelve-year-old girls can bear perfectly healthy babies, though. The rest of what you said is just your opinion.

That is true, but has nothing to do with what you are sexually attracted to. Try again.
Something being gratifying has nothing to do with sexual attraction. You don't argue in good faith I see.
The revulsion is instinctual, and completely natural.

It isn't, and I never said that.

Well that takes us back to my original claim about the flaw in your logic. Humans feel many things that don't make sense from a biological standpoint, why should sexuality be any different?

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So when you fap, are you sexually attracted to your hand? When you look at porn, are you sexually attracted to pixels? You've got an extremely narrow and subjective idea of what "attraction" is, which of course conveniently lines up with exactly what you are.

You've still not addressed the simple fact that humans have sex for pleasure and for social bonding reasons. Lions have gay sex for the second reason; why can't humans?

Mate I"m not even good at videogames and barely complete them but what you said is fucking wrong

Spanking is still meant to be pleasurable for the receiver. Ryona is meant for assholes who want a legitimate bitch to get beat up before getting fucked.

I do believe it has a vile tendency to mutate into that shit, but masochism in general means sex is intended both somewhat painful, but still enjoyable for all parties.

That's the whole point of a fetish user. It's an intense sexual attraction to something whether sexual or not. Someone sticking their dick in an asshole, where feces come from, makes no sense for humans yet some find it attractive for various reasons. It's just a way more acceptable one.

No one was saying "tolerate my shit fetish". Just that the people who have them aren't borderline serial killers or demons.

No one is even doing that here. You just think it's that way because you don't see how anyone can have such tastes. The point I'm getting at is that their fetishes are just there with them. I don't need to justify my love for tits just as you don't need to justify your kinks or fetishes.

So liking breasts, legs, certain hair styles, certain clothing, and certain personalities makes someone mentally ill? None of these have anything to do with procreation yet everyone likes something from one of these things.

I said sexual feeling are given to you by your brain for the purpose of procreation. That doesn't imply that part of your brain is separate from anything. You're insane, please seek help.

You're argument makes no sense. When you look at porn, or use your hand to masturbate you are still sexually attracted to what ever the screen is depicting. Having sex for pleasure still doesn't change the fat that what you are sexually attracted to is determined by your brain for the purpose for procreation. You are mentally ill, seek help please.

The best thing about the MUH HARD GAMES circlejerkers is they don't actually play hard games. They play dork souls and shit with artificial difficulty for meme cred, but have never played a game like Chaser or Iron Storm. Losers.

Some people like large breasts yes, but that doesn't change the fact that pedophiles, and homos are mentally ill.

And guro is excluded from being enjoyable for all parties? With the power of imagination tons of people make porn where the person getting destroyed wants and enjoys it.

And I'm saying the brain functions in ways that do not accord with biology. You are very sneakily dodging the crux of the argument here.

The depth of your delusion is unreal.

HOL UP

Irrelevant. Humans can freely disassociate their instincts from their needs or desires. That's part of what makes humans better than animals. Unfortunately, you seem bent on doing nothing that isn't basic biological needs. WHY ARE YOU EVEN HERE?! Shouldn't you be off trying in vain to get laid, or stuffing your face with food to add more layers of fat for the coming winter months?

Just for that I don't want to argue with you.

But for that much in particular it absolutely is mentally ill and in no way rooted in any natural sexual desire. That's why we can insult the shit all we want and only retards will try to act like it's acceptable.

How does it function the, magic? Kill yourself you utterly retarded dipshit.

Not an argument. For example why does the brain like music? What makes music so important biologically that people will pay thousands of dollars to seek it out?

Well it's not a mental illness, but not a good idea either.

Arguing with holes huh? You should take a long time to think, and sort yourself out.

Gradually, I began to hate them.

No, but shit like nonconsensually destroying limbs, eyes or even disemboweling or butchering to cook is.

All I care for is condemning that shit specifically.

You are about as smart as the average creationist.

I feel your pain, user.
Admit it, some parts of some videogames are close to impossible if you're on a schedule.
I generally don't have the time to let my fingers learn all the patterns before i have to quit the game, and next time i play I'm starting from scratch.

Nice job completely escaping the argument so you can pretend you have won. You refuse to offer evidence to support your stance, and will not answer me directly. It's ironic you're quoting hitler arguing with jews when you so clearly argue like a dirty yid.

Well you can condemn what you want man. I'll be honest I kinda forget what the original argument between me and you was.

No you just ignored it.
Perhaps if you were healthy mentally you would remember.

Yet you still don't provide evidence. Show me where music has been proven to be a biological need.

Show me where then. Posting an image of a biology textbook is not evidence.

What? Have you descended so deep into your own retardation that your language is reverting? Keep in mind that language is also not created by biology. Humans made that up, same with computers and pixels. What you really ought to be doing is grunting and hitting the computer with your fists because you don't understand it, as that's all your pitiful little biological urges are capable of doing.

this man is a false flag trying to look like Holla Forums and a goon at the same time, ignore and report when you see this shit

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Games don't have to be hard to be fun.

Games do have to have a reasonable fail state that the average player can reach on accident to be fun.

Gamers have gotten better, as a whole, at playing video games. The video games that they play have to be harder in order for them to be fun, otherwise it's just a stupid-easy cakewalk.

Not every game has to be targeted at gamers. Go play a standard Mario game. Go play Zelda. Those aren't games for gamers - they're games for everyone else. Sometimes people get into video games by playing these games, and they get better at playing video games and end up where the rest of us are.

It's OK that you're not a gamer. It's OK that you do not want to get good. Not everyone does. But do keep in mind that unless you have a mindset that it is good to try to get good, you really shouldn't be playing the games that most of us here play.

tl;dr see pic

its up there

Observe how he argues anons. He attempts to relate something completely different from what is being discussed make you accept his flawed argument. Shameful.

I'm just arguing with the mentally ill, thread is already at bump limit. I just hate all these fags trying to defend their disgusting shit.

Hebephilia isn't pedophilia.

A little after a girl has their first menstrual cycle they're able to properly reproduce. And the younger the age, the less likely they will be able to get vaginal cancer. This was why the age of consent used to be around 14 because every girl should have had their period by this point.

Observe how he argues anons. He attempts to attack the other position to escape the press for evidence on his claim.

Maybe you should follow your own advice, heretic.
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Oh c'mon user, no need to get hostile when you're wrong. We can't all be right all the time.

You do a fantastic job summarizing yourself. You STILL HAVE NOT ADDRESSED how pedophila can be wrong when when it's possible to procreate with preteen girls.

It's equally illegal, though, therefore equally "wrong".

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You're going to jail.

Actually commit suicide.

Are you fuckinf retarded?

you know being a goon is a bannable offence right?

Irrelevant and I don't even like little girls, you retard. You cannot use your argument to refute this claim, which proves that it is false. QED.

Maybe resetera, or neogaf is more your speed.

You're pathetic. You've completely shifted the discussion so you are no longer responsible for providing evidence.

Nigger you don't even know when your precious fallacy is applicable. You are arguing that because we don't know how the brain operates, it must in reality operate exactly how you believe it to.

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whats pic related then?

A human woman with ears and a tail.

Because girls can procreate before they a physically suited for giving birth. Second - they can procreate before they are mentally inept of taking care of a child plus socially distanced.

How about this?

Fuck off, Marche.

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So if I create a porn game I'll finally be released from this mortal coil? Or does it specifically need to be in stylized like japanese cartoons?

Stylized like anime or like sexy adult flash.

Is it possible to post that human without being called Marche? That bloke sure has made a name for himself.

Both of those are social matters, though, having nothing to do with a biological urge to procreation. From a purely biological standpoint, the brain recognizes that pubic hair and breast development signals that a girl is fertile (which raises another point; how can men logically be attracted to flat-chested women or those who have shaved all their body hair??) and is not capable of "thinking" about the consequences. Biology, which was the other user's argument, goes as far as "if there is grass on the field, play ball", and no farther.

Kinda furry, because she has a bit of a muzzle. But you have to lose that stupid human hair (that is not the same color as the rest of the fur) to make it properly furry.

No. She is kind of hot tbh, tho.

I sympathize, but I've carefully thought out the arguments for simply being attracted to a female form VS subhuman unsympathetic mutilation and murder.

That's because you're a dumbass that was probably bottlefed and homeschooled. Neuroscientists have a fairly good idea of how the brain works; just because you don't because you're a wilfully ignorant fuckwit doesn't make it any more true that it runs on fucking magic. Every single time throughout the history of science, when "magic" was posited as a solution, science has proven it wrong, every single time. A natural solution has and will always succeed over a supernatural solution. Gravity is not "intelligent falling". The planets are not gods flying across the firmament. Sickness is not caused by an imbalance in the humors. Mental illness is not demonic possession. Disease, drought, and famine are not a punishment for failing to sacrifice virgins. Lightning is not Zeus throwing spears from Mount Olympus. The soul is not the result of fucking MAGIC.

Pathetic.

Everyone has their own opinions on this. For me, the purpose of sex is to share pleasure with another person whom you romantically love. Obviously, any kind of fetish to giving severe pain to the partner goes against this.

Also, rape isn't "sex", per se. It's masturbation mixed with violence.

I don't think that has much to do with attraction. Its more a young fertile / mature deal.
I have never met a man who unironically like small breast. The only argument for the non-huge breast is that smaller one are supposedly more firm.
Liking flat-chested is a meme.
Also what pic 2 related then?

correction - attraction based on development between fertile and non-fertile

Yes, user, and opinions that favor that are shit.

I love the direction things are heading.

Does that mean if I punch myself in the face while jacking off I'm raping myself?

Yes.

Those cats have tits.

No, I'm not saying specifically attraction to a flat chest, but asking how it's possible to be attracted to a woman WITH a flat chest. Since they are signal of fertility, by the "biological" argument, the brain should interpret a flat-chested woman as a prepubescent girl, and not be attracted to her.

Only if you don't enjoy it. Which would make you lose your boner. So you couldn't masturbate. Therefore, it's actually a Catch-22.

> the brain should
See this is where your logic falls apart

Even rape a majority of the time satisfyingly becomes enjoyable and animalistically satisfying to the victim in a corrupted way and all kinds of both men and women share a closet love of that aspect, even fantasies.

Meant for

Not my argument! I was using it being a failure of logic as yet another way to prove that the "muh biology" guy's argument posted way back in is incorrect.

I meant real rape, not anime "rape" which is just forceful sex where the woman actually wanted it and enjoys it thoroughly after moaning "no no!" a few times. That's not rape so much as it is unspoken role play.

Breasts aren't the only factor. Everything that defines a female would attract a male. Feminine face, hips, legs, smell, skin softness, hair, etc. In fact a face is probably a majot factor and you can judge a lot of thing about a woman by her face, thats just how males have toned their way to pick proper mates. In fact, I'm completely capable of jacking it only to a pretty face.
Pic related for instance is great so this, although the rest is also great.

Oh.

my English is off the charts today

Yes, but besides breasts and pubes, a lot of that is present to a muted degree before puberty. The difference between boys and girls body-types becomes marked and obvious by about age six or so.

That pic does have a very nice face. Get rid of the tits and add a dick, and I'd totally do her. Lol.

Ye, no.

So you're saying that before puberty there is no physical difference between males and females?

Aside from benis and bagina, faces can also be kinda hard do differentiate if they aren't coated with social based cues such as hair length, clothing and others.

I would disagree. Besides, it's not like that noticeably changes after puberty. Plenty of adult men could pass for women if they shave and have long hair.

Nope, its either recognizable or they are using hormones, which works, I'm guessing, only until they reach 25 or something. Even that is giving them too much.

>Neuroscientists have a fairly good idea of how the brain works
Then surely you can give me some of this evidence I've been demanding for the past 50 posts. You are so very clearly knowledgeable about this subject, so you can point me in the direction of the evidence supporting the other user's claim.
Fucking mods banned me for the wrong reason and not the other people still posting about it. Spoilered to not trigger the vols.

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Faggots.

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