Sonic Forces

All cutscenes video. I know some of you are going to play it for the story. So here it is. 30 minutes of cutscenes.

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That isn't that much actually
I'm not gonna watch them though because the game will be shit anyways
Are they any good?

Well. Its like Sonic Avengers.

Didn't this ruin how shit works in Sonic Mania?

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HAHAHAAHAHAH THE OC LOOKS SO FUCKING OUT OF PLACE.

man the oc made me lose it

Its shit.

The game doesn't release for another week. How are the cutscenes already viewable?

For the same reason gameplay and ending of sonic mania leaked.

Presumably Mark bought it and got 13 game overs.

early copies leak is mostly likely the case it always happens

on Halloween
top spoop

As I said in a previous thread, it feels like the OC and Classic Sonic were hammered in to whatever this game was originally. And there's no mystery behind Infinite either. Just an edgelord. And the army of past villains is dumb as bricks.
It doesn't even need that much work to fix the plot.

What does Classic Sonic, the OC, Infinite, or the army of past villains give the plot? Honestly it's nothing.

What the fuck is this, max payne?

The leak is gonna kill sales.
I wonder if it's a genuine mistake, or sabotage.
By Sonic Team
Or even Denuvo
> See, you need our DRM to stop shit like this.

Top fucking kek

It's pretty obvious that the game was rushed and they intend to make more titles using your epin OC.

I know it defeats the purpose of the style of this meme, which I had the cutscenes in higher def to use.
Then again, it's caps of youtube- and pausing brings up the UI. Kudos to the user making them.

Its also fucking atrocious there are no Chaos boss battle. Dem music on some stages though, just listen to this, Prison Hall has probably my most favorite track so far.

Basically the game is written just like colors, generations and lost world - cringy positive anime filler style.

Sonic Boom was at least funny and had decent direction.
Everyone sounds bored here. Quick test- watch OP's video and tell me what Knuckle's personality is- souly from those cutscenes. Same applies to other characters.

You don't have scissors program to capture in real time?

Knuckles sounded like Samuel L Jackson.

I can never get the timing right. Especially if I wanted to re-create those screecaps.

In Sonic Boom, they don't have to play it seriously and some of them ad-lib according to the writers, this is too fucking funny listening to them trying to be serious, the only one I can listen well is Eggman, and that fucking Knuckles trying to be super serious.

So no Chaos Emeralds, but the new shiny jewels is the Phantom Rubies.

Why is Sonic of all games now some viva la resistance bullshit? It was terrible when they did it for the cartoon so try again?

Even Eggman's dull in this.
Hell if the whole thing was tongue in cheek, or parody (sort of like Naked Gun- acted straight with absurdity happening around it) it could have been interesting. Sonic Adventure and 2 was "nice" as a serious plot, but with Eggman being better as a boob, it's better to play to that strength.

Have him whining about now how he owns the world there's so much stuff to do, or him getting stressed out over the rebellion taking ground.

Hell, look at the boss battles- he doesn't even taunt or yell when he's hit. It's all so dry and devoid of life.

At least SatAM knew when and how to be serious.

Honestly this game had a lot of potential to be good, but all is dumped down. Story is dumped down to certain low standard of writing, gameplay and level design is dumped down to a worse conditions than generations, and generally game tries to sell on buddy gimmick alone now.

This is just another flop, but a flop with fanservice bait.

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Sort of.
In Sonic Mania, the Ruby seemingly mutates the robots that find it, and have time travel powers. So, Time + Space + reality powers.

In Forces, Eggman is making artificial Rubies (and Infinite is somehow sentient, or at least smarter than his usual robots). The Ruby basically makes "illusions that feel real"- so it might as well be the same as the above. The only trick it has in gameplay is if you hit this red blocky haze, you lose rings (usually down to 0) the world turns red for a while and you have more shit to dodge (extra hazards that appear based on whatever the stage is, spike balls, lasers, etc).

I think the leak was the best thing for Sonic Team. The marketing made the game look more bland than it is. I mean it's not diverse in level design but it's much better than what we saw before the leak.

Where's that fucking user who believed that Infinite was going to be Eggman's inner mentality manifest. He was so sure he was right, and now I want to see him eat his shoe or whatever he said he'd do if he was wrong.

Step up your meme game, user, this is terrible.

The story reminds me of crash retold, but somehow worse.

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Tails being a gutless coward makes sense in that without Sonic and the chaos of what's happening he's fallen to pieces.

And Rouge's VA doesn't leave me hope for if she appeared in Sonic Boom. No emotional range outside of a Jessica Rabbit impression. Then again, the woman who used to do Tails did Pauline in the Jump Up song, so I think direction is everything. You know you fucked up as a director when Rouge's VA in Heroes was better.

I heard that there's Denuvo.
But I don't know if it's good, like GOTY awesome beyond reason good.

I heard from that from Steam curator/ group. Link:
steamcommunity.com/groups/DenuvoGames

He had two games about him getting over that, though.

user, that information was known since they put it on steam. No, you DON"T buy sonic forces. We shall pirate.

am I going def or is the video extremely quiet?

Lol

Oh man fuck Deblubo.

I think the the military war theme fits good with Sonic, since it's a franchise that shows nature and animals resisting and fighting back the madness of industrialization spreading rapidly by one egg madman, which it kind off implies "viva la resistance". It's not wrong to came up some mature theme and scent for this franchise that expands upon the main plot it has been using for most of its games, as long it's moderate and doesn't make the franchise look REALLY different (like how Shadow the Hedgehog and maybe 06 did it). Factually, I think Forces really transmit a great sense of resistance and war with its atmosphere, while not taking it too far.

If you meant SatAM, it wasn't either really mature. The background, the environments and the redesign the characters (with Rotor's case being easier to notice the changes he has received) have received after the first episode perhaps makes it look dark or even edgy, but the humor, the interactions and the plot of most episodes focused on making the cartoon be lighthearted and funny, since it's obvious it was made for kids. In fact, SatAM based on Archie Sonic, and theses comics initially began as an adorable humoring simple comic with easy plots to spread and advertise Sonic (until Ken Penders came in, that is).

Speaking about Ken, if you want an example of Sonic going too serious and adult-oriented, read the issues written by Ken. THAT is what I call terrible.

Speaking of military forces, where the Hell are G.U.N.?

Forgotten, intentionally or not.

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Why the fuck would anyone play a Sonic game for the story? or the gameplay either, in the case of the 3D games

What? How the fuck is that even possible, this isn't sonic 06 where they had mere months to pull a sonic game out of their ass and most of the team quit at the beginning, they had FOUR FUCKING YEARS to come up with something, they don't even do anything besides Sonic, and they've had almost every other game released between lost world and now outsourced to anyone and everyone willing to take it on.

I'm guessing something changed internally. The OC creator and/or Classic Sonic feel like last minute additions or executive meddling.
Maybe the reception of Sonic Mania shook them more than we realize.
Finaly- they could just be fuck ups. Can you imagine anyone good would apply to work for Sonic Team after Sonic 06? Or Lost World?

2 of those years was spent on The Hedgehog Engine 2 on top of getting it to work on the Switch/achieve console parity. Still, it is rather shoddy for all that time that they were given.

Yeah, when it was just Eggman, not when it was Eggman who conquered the world, along with Metal Sonic, Chaos, Shadow, and Zavok, and Infinite, someone faster and stronger than Sonic.

Webm related

That Tailsbot sounds familiar. Yeeessssss

Close. David Kaye is who you're thinking of.
Then again, IMDB doesn't say who it is, and some other fucker is marked as Eggman along with Mike.

Mania is an illusion.

Yeah I was just joking about Tailsbot being voiced by David Kaye. Apparently the voice direction was supposed to be inspired by Shere Khan instead of Megs.

Please tell me the game pulled off something like this.

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And Chaos. And Shadow, who was pretty much Sonic's darker equal. Don't forget he went solo against Wendy Witchcart and Kukku even before the Adventure games. Tails has been long past the "dependent on Sonic" phase of his life.

Oh yeah, he thought Sonic fucking died in Adventure 2, and his immediate course of action was to duke it out with Eggman, not cower in fear.

New cutccene found! All red rings collected. What could it mean?
Now we just need shadows story, I fucking hate how it became very lore driven at the very end, is there room for a sequel?

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TOP KEK

What country?

UMA
DELICIA

What a shame
it was a good story idea and a reason on why eggman is trying to take over the world

So did Infinite just get killed off at the end there?

It was real in Sonic's mind

Lmao

Music

The music starts good and goes well, and I like the deep gritty voice it has in the background, but when the other vocaloid voice kicked in and is permanent in the most of the music, then it starts to sounds pretty underwhelming and unfitting for me. I don't think vocaloid fits with Sonic, and I hope there's an instrumental version.

This is coming from someone who thinks Fist Bump's theme is great. There are a couple of songs in the game that sounds good or not bad, but I wish its soundtrack weren't influenced by techno rap (or whatever is the name) that's exclusive to Avatar.

Also, why the hell Classic Sonic and Avatar have idle animations, but not Sonic himself? Couldn't Sonic Team at least port some animations for Sonic from Lost World? Bunch of lazies, all of them, I swear.

Inexistent as of Sonic '06, along with Mr. President and the Secretary (human characters from SA2).

If you're referring to SA2, I think you're misremembering. G.U.N. gave to Gerald a motive to destroy the humanity, not Eggman. Eggman doesn't really have a connection to G.U.N., and its motives to rule over the world have been set and the same since the beginning.

I see what they're doing.

3d sonic fans are the most retarded people on earth. Or they just sell out themselves this hard to let their beloved shit succeed in sales even if its total ass.

Odyssey sold 2 mil in three days, I really want to see what these delusional fucktards' excuse will be when this thing bombs.

Don't even compare, pepsiman was challenging enough to be a game.

I wonder if this game is capable of letting the player make an OC that DOESN'T look awful, unfitting, or generic.

To add to this I imagine there'll be a few dozen Sonichu and Coldsteel mods memesters will make.

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Just type "sonic forces" into deviantart and sort by newest. There soon will be a lot of screenshots and fan art of people's own OC.

So who's the masked villain?

He's a big guy.

How come no one posted the obligatory webm?

Also can you be Coldsteel in Sonic Forces?

There are few videos already featuring avatar customization menu in full version of the game.

I don't like where this is going.

I mean does game reveal who he actually is?
Is he player's avatar from other time or some shit?

Where do you think it was going to begin with?

My main complain is that characters are missing proper sonic-style belly, and hedgehogs have round hair and very short spikes. Also there are supposed to be spikes on the back of the body too.

oh, but i do :3

Cannot make the cooler than Sonic.

no lizards, dropped

i know right, fuckin sega's dumb for not including reptiles, can you imagine how many faggots would buy forces if it had a dragon race.

I recently got my boyfriend stockings AND this image Made me so happy

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You can make a fucking doomguy if you unlock right costume, or even a killzone looking trooper. But not a fucking hedgehog character that looks like he fits the universe. This whole idea of "not cooler than sonic" is a mistake.

gay

i prefer chameleons, but yeah, wasted chance

That body is wasted on furshit

I don't know how expansive and customizable is the OC creator on Forces, but I think it all comes down to the personal taste. IMO, the red wolf looks nice and cute with an air of militarism and rookie, while the green bird looks quite radical and cool with an air of freedom. There's also that black masked rabbit most liked to see.

You can make a good looking OC there. All you have to do is have a sense of criticism over fashion and characters's design, and you're good to go.

Perhaps lizards or dragons are understandable not being included because they aren't really represented on Sonic's universe outside of the comics (and Biolizard, hah), but yeah, I still don't disagree, and might as well complement there's no squirrel, coyote, seal, walrus, crocodile/alligator, chameleon, bee, skunk, bat, and others options to became. There's not even a fox and echidna option to pick.

Wasted potential right there, Sonic Team.

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This game is so fucking casual, honestly.

wow

Please tell me that Black Hole gun is unlocked near the end.
And how the fuck is the meter for using it not going down?

This game is somehow even worse than I thought

Do you still lose everything except 20 rings if you get hit? If yes, it's not too broken

Here's some late game classic sonic gameplay.

Good thing there is nothing to get hit by then

Faggot detected.

Game looks like shit, surprising absolutely nobody.
At least Rouge is in it, meaning we'll get more Rouge porn

She still has that sexy as fuck in her 20's voice from Generations, right?

well nat is getting fucked by the courts, he is not allowed to draw lewd human lolis, with the exception of pinups. go2 /loli/ if you wanna know wuts up

I will buy that game for that bat. I swear to fucking god I will. Its a life choice I fucking stand buy.

It kinda implied in the end that Rouge fucks Omega.

user you need help, I'm worried about your health

Kinda makes sense she can hide gems up his metal ass and he most likely has some serious mechanical dildo attachments because Eggman is gay as fuck and he likes that type of shit. He fucking does by the way he named a robot in Colors "The Big Boy".

No Sonic stage should ever have more than 300 rings, let alone over a fucking thousand.

That signature isn't natis though?

2D games have way more than 300 I think.

Look I aint a jew faggot like you faps off to Cream porn I like my furries with fucking boobs OK. My god your such a bigot.

this tbh

I get it, but porn is free, no need to buy the game. Think of all the other things you could spend those shekels on

Good point. A Rouge the Bat costume but I'll need to find a girl that isnt my fat wife.

Work out together so you can both lose weight, then you can wear the rouge costume with no regrets

OR. I could wear the Rouge costume and she can be Big the Cat. Shits getting real Anons.

Can we discuss how shit sonic forces is instead of how shit your porn tastes are?

Are you actually saying shit Sonic is better than shit Sonic?

No, i am saying how sonic shit smells, haha. Why must this series become fucking shovelware.

Nat and bhawk are the sa

*same person

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Here's quality classic sonic physics to you.

How hard is it for them to make it so you can fuckin roll down slopes and shit, classic sonic might be worse than sonic in sonic 4

I don't know what the fuck is happening with sonic team anymore. Programmers are shit, writers are shit, level designers are shit. Where the fuck sega looks? I really don't know. Its like sega thinks sonic is not worth wasting money for better stuff, or they afraid to fire people.

If only, then they can finally stop making them.

I can't imagine sonic being treated with less budget than yakuza.

I saw the final boss. Did Sonic just fucking killed Eggman?

>Dr. Eggman is the main villain of Sonic Forces™ and you have to either kill him or nuke the Commonwealth

thanks doc

I didn't see him escape the mech when the two Sonics and the OC fucking blasted through it. Nor did I see him after the boss.

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Snively takes over

I like the music. Though, some of it is dissonant as fuck and doesn't fit sonic.

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My favorite was knuckles being pushed away.

Someone should replace the video in the OP since it was removed.

What i was even thinking back during release of infinite trailer.

To be fair, I think the game is salvageable thanks to PC mods. I mean the linear design problem can solved by those fans that made those extra levels in Generations. I'm mostly interested in this game because of what I predict is the modding scene in the character customization.

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You'll be looking to mod a completely different set of levels, mechanics and polish.
Why not just buy a better game? Nobody is going to put that much effort in a DRM locked shitshow.

You misunderestimate sonic autists, user.

All sonic autists are busy making their own original games instead of polishing turds.

SEE. SEE?!?! THE GAME IS NON LINEAR!! IT'S MORE OPEN THAN ODYSSEY. HAHAH MARIO FAGS BTFO!! HAHAHAH!!
Holy shit this is so fucking sad.
Don't look at the comments.

He's apparently just Infinite. Same shit as the Time Eater

>Odyssey is arguably the most fun Mario game since 64
Wew fucking lad.

It turns out Mania was never going to save sonic. Denuvo just gave everyone an early warning.

Judging of the Sonic Hacking contest starts in two weeks. How much do you wanna bet that there will be hacks of better quality there than Sonic Forces itself?

I think those kids weren't even born when the Dreamcast died, man.

Still salty that Mania was a better modern 2D game than the New Super Mario Bros?

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Only Sonic Team can fuck up this hard.

The downside is she's trying to say serious lines. Sounds like Jessica Rabbit in Metal Gear Solid fan fiction.
I actually preferred her heroes VA. She had a little more range, like Poison Ivy in BTAS (could be sultry or screaming mad).

Why did they make a big deal about Omega being revived? Outside of the Shadow DLC- he's mentioned at the start, and his missing shots are treated like the cavalry arrived with Infinite's kryptonite.
I wonder if Forces was original gonna be Sonic, Shadow, and the Avatar (or even Silver) before Classic Sonic was crammed in for Generations/Mania appeal.

There are other videos up by fans that actually explain why Forces level designs are bad. And here you are defending mainstream journalism that would probably complain that Classic Sonic anyways because they don't know how to roll.

Sonic fans are deluded yes, but they'll never be as deluded as people still taking mainstream game journalism seriously.

This looks a lot more interesting than either the modern Sonic or OC character stages I've seen footage of so far. Even the alternative routes in the 3D stages look really on-rails, especially compared to those in Generations.

There's a guy called KingK on youtube or something, plus the webm related that explains why classic Sonic worked.

Do retards even understand what physics are?

Hell no.
Name a recent AAA game that used accurate or semi-accurate physics for gameplay? Or how popular games are that do?
If they won't put in the effort to make gameplay fun & challenging- why the fuck would they put in effort for accurate physics (outside of console graphical show-pieces)?

Thanks for reminding me why I don't give a fuck about videogames anymore.

Hey, that second part about low effort only applies to AAA in entirety.
There are a bunch of decent indies and AA devs. Cuphead exists and did well. You just need to dig deeper to find good games, and maybe endure graphics/presentation that are just "OK".

I've just lost interest in an average escape with losers and jews cannibalizing it.

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Every AAA retard is using Physically Based Character Animation including SonicTeam. A very much more complex and very time consuming to optimize into gameplay elements.

Compare the awful Tony Hawk 5 or Tony Hawk pro Skater HD with earlier titles. The difference Tony Hawk 5 and Tony Hawk Pro Skater HD use multiplie body joints to collide the playable character with objects while the earlier titles were using one big box on the entire body.

Rouge's voice is pretty hot.

HE TRIED TO WARN US

See, you just picked up the right song that sounds pretty good out of most songs. Perhaps even one of the best of Forces's soundtrack. I only don't like the beginning, where it has the generic build up that every kind of techno rap song has, but for the rest, it sounds great, especially through the middle to the end. The rhythm is just sweetpost, along the instruments fitting well with the music.

Please, no. Snively was a pretty odd uninteresting character that doesn't look like he fits with Sonic, nor does he look like a suitable character to look like Eggman's helper. Any other Sonic villain can take Eggman's spot, but not Snively, for the love of god, please.

Have this been posted yet? Polygon gives this game a 5/10.

archive.is/9Ev5H

What's with 2017 and developers phoning it in like someone's threatening to shoot their mothers if they make a good game?

Why even bother.

Fucking awful, literally no skill required for higher ranks then?

Lol.

I can't speak for the other developers, but I'm damned certain something weird was going on behind the scenes of Forces. I think Sega might've forced Sonic Team to redo a bunch of content late into development, causing most of the level designers to walk out.

Hope then they are ready for a huge flop. Or maybe its all a huge grand plan by sega to make boost based gameplay look bad, so they can switch for something new.

Not like you need level designers when your levels are just race tracks anyway.

Here's some truth - sonic forces is actually a commercial for mobile game called "sonic forces speed battle". It features all characters from sonic forces in a pay to win mobile game, where you pay to continue playing or you're forced to watch a commercial.

Sonic forces as a game was dumped down to resemble a running mobile game such as this one, so gameplay will be extremely similar on ther sonic dash game, so more people would spend money on sonic forces speed battle.

The only thing that matters is that if you accept it as jewish truth, or go blind and forget that it exists.

Meter doesn't go down for basic attacks (which this OP piece of shit counts as) it goes down for extra actions which you never need outside of few exceptions where they allow you to break the game with them.

Interesting fact, this man is not wrong. He even states sonic adventure 2 wasn't too bad of a game, since sonic and shadow levels were good. He was like fucking cuckchan Holla Forums-tard trying to warn you, but effortlessly. He isn't ign crowd that says sonic was never good, and actually states colors was one of his favorite 3d sonics, and that generation was good too. He saw that damned level design but couldn't articulate well, but at least he articulated that avatar stages are shit before they even released.

The fact he actually taken his video down shows he had compassion characteristics, but they made him a cuckold in this perspective. Shouldn't had video down. Completely good review if you watch it till the end.

Sounds eerily familiar

But user, even if you hate his shitty painting behind his back and his shit t-shirt, if he was a true shill he would say to buy switch version. He didn't. He gave honest opinion.

A hat in time and mario odyssey both came out recently, and both were good example how you do exploration platformer right. Sonic adventure TRIED to mess with exploration platformer mechanics, but now sonic is nothing but just mobile dash game.

I think Sega is either trying to kill off the 3D games, or they were fucking stupid enough to get the devs to toss everything out and just make it like Mania after they showed the games off at the 25th anniversary party. Either way, this is most likely gonna be the last 3D Sonic game made for a long time. Let's hope the slew of 2D games coming out won't follow the same path as the 3D games.

So.. sonic pinball is still the best sonic game out there?

That's not a very high bar. I mean holy shit user, NSMB varies from meh to awful.

And those big one or two boxes were definitely much better than what we have now because they allowed the devs to control what could or could not interact with what else, so that you don't have glaring bugs sitting on the first level of your game.

It did look like that old Sonic mobileshit, it's true.

Woun is livestreaming the Episode Shadow dlc

Episode Shadow for your unwilling pleasure, that is to say none?
Le mimis? Heeheeteehee, hyehye nyuck nyuck nyeh heh heh.

Usually I'd say that was crazy, but with "games as a service" being pushed more I could see it. Just doesn't make sense to spend that much money on a game AND losing PR due to it's reception to shill a mobile game. Yes your audience will be more aware of Forces- along with "it's shit."

Infinite as a mercenary that was patched up by Eggman is more appealing than what they didn't show in the main story. At least somewhat
Looks just as bad, if not worse. Is Shadow's homing attack faster? Irony is, Shadow's VA is better than during the Twitter Takeover. Less gravel.
Really am starting to think shit was changed last second. Why not mention ANY of the Infinite stuff in the main game?

I think those theories of him being either the Avatar or Tails would be better than this.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
This is literally coldsteel bio!

Is this a plot hole or a timeline split?

Infinite's lost childhood materialized sonic as he always knew about him. Mania was about how Infinite remembered sonic as a hero. As soon as infinite dies and power of the crystal fades, sonic fades too. Classic sonic was just an Infinite's fantasy all along. Fantasy of an old hero he beloved before turning to the darkside.

So it's a canine or possibly rodent like face, with stripes, and long claws (as he's given claws while other animals have not), wild hair, and a bushy tail.
Could be an American Badger (as they are stiped), but that doesn't explain the mane of hair or large ears (unless it's a design choice).

Plot hole. The Ruby seems to have time-travel + reality manipulation powers (alters the robots) while Forces has them alter reality- but no time travel or space travel. Plus, Eggman's were artificial.
Also FUCK the idea of Sonic Team fucking up so bad they made another game non-canon and getting away with it

Always count on muslims on deviantart to deliver unmasked fanart of edgy furry characters from video games. He's also supposed to have a scar or missing eye after battle with shadow.

INFINITE IS KLONOA'S BROTHER?!
ARE YOU GONNA HAYA HIS WAHOO?

Sega is really sinister in terms of delivering furry shit to autistic people such as yourself, while providing as minimal effort as possible into actual gameplay.

He's apparently a Jackal. At least, Eggman mentioned that he was captain of the "Jackal Squad" in his encounter with Shadow.

Really wanted infinite to be a Xolotl dog to feed my autistic SA connected lore about Aztec/Maya mythology.
A Jackal is fine too.
Not really though, but hey, if they don't want to connect infinite to the ruins and everything they've been building up to it's fine. It only hurts a little.

Really fits his extensive design. Wish OC character creator was good to make all sorts of furry shit.

Can't make a character cooler than sonic. I hate Sonic Team, I really do.

Well, you know what they say:

IT ONLY HURTS IF YOU LET IT

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Also the mask. This god damn mask. I thought maybe i was overlooking something, maybe it wasn't looking like berserk helmet, but no, now they shown it up close i am 100% sure its heavily inspired by it.

Did Sega forget how to make a challenging final boss?

I don't know. The last actually challenging boss they made was egg dragon in adventure 1.

Why exactly do you have these pics on your computer? I dont even understand how a furfag could like them.

You mean the Egg Viper?

The more I see game footage of this, the more I realize it's a bad fangame that somehow got official approval.

The default Unity3D lighting effects, specular highlights, motion blur, a set of physics that haven't been customized to fit in the game at all, tortured object placement like someone was fighting against a WYSIWYG game making program they don't know how to use and then gave up and flood filled ring paths all over like 8-bit sonic 2. There's amateur hour tells like that all over.

I guess Sega's really in debt to the yakuza these days huh?

Damn.

I hope one day we get a game where Eggman tries to remove Sonic games from canon and reset the franchise as we know it.

Uh…

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Is there anything about this game that isn't stupid?

So the level designs are shit, but what about the controls? I heard Classic Sonic's physics were more like the Genesis games. Also this vid.

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Why is all the music knock off dnb this time? I mean sonic is no stranger to it and jungle I suppose but i'm not liking this style much

Yardley was able to make him fit into sonic

Here's a launch trailer.

Seeing how this game has a zone that happens on space, especially when the scenery looks like Unleashed's intro, I gotta say this pumps me, even though I know Forces has already fell into the Sonic Cycle's curse. Wait, when was the last time a Sonic game had a space zone? Advance 2? Rush?

The very first stage in colors, hell, all of colors takes place in a space station and several surrounding planets.

That's disappointing
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Don't forget that white cat oc from the Tokyo Game Show. Despite the shitty customize options, that one actually turned out okay and cute.

I just wanted a Bat so I could see what the male equivalent of Tits would look like.

A slender chihuahua

good life choice man, i will stand with you.

Before you accuse me of just being salty over the rating, note that Polygon reviewed not a released nor a reviewer copy. They reviewed a leaked copy, something that Nintendo planted an embargo on anyone who leaked a gameplay. And they're showing clear bias. It won't change the fact other reviewers will shat upon Forces, but I think this could get Polygon in trouble just for acting unprofessionally. If not for the bias, then for Polygon for reviewing a leak of all things.

I do not even give a fuck, if sonic forces had clear message that eggman is donald drumpf, maybe polygon would give it 9/10. The game is actually bad, and it doesn't matter that reviews find it bad because of lack of diversity and inclusion.

UGH. IT'S ACTUALLY OBJECTIVELY GOOD, HAVE YOU NOT SEEN YOU FUCKING MARIO FANBOYS!

Thank God mario odyssey and hat in time were a things released right in front of forces, so people at least have something to compare it to. That will teach sega making cheap shit out of sonic and putting denuvo on it.

The problem isn't the score, it's the timing of all things. They didn't wait until release.I thought Holla Forums hated Odyssey anyways. Or at least thought the level design wasn't as thoughtful as 64. I remember someone complaining about how finding the moons is too easy and is mostly just stomping on certain areas. Is it true or is it actually more thoughtful?

HOLY SHIT I GOT IT!
I GET WHY SONIC FORCES LOOKS SO CHEAP AND RUSHED! SEGA IN THIS YEAR WASTED MONEY ON DENUVO FOR AT LEAST TWO SONIC GAMES IN A ROW!
SONIC FORCES IS CHEAPLY MADE BECAUSE THEY TRY TO MAKE UP LOSSES FROM COST OF DRM
THEY COULD WASTE THAT BUDGED TO IMPROVE THE GAME INSTEAD

It's thoughtful as fuck, but there are so many moons that some are easy to obtain. Back on the thoughtful point, some moons are obtained by very strange obscure means.

But is it thoughtful like 64? Does collecting all the moons give you something? I heard it just gives you the polygon suit a la 64.

That's the lowest point of odyssey, do not bother about collecting all moons. Just collect as many as you can.
Having them all collected IS the reward itself, I'll tell you that much.

Could Sonic Team do anything right anymore?

From what I've seen of gameplay videos, the ridiculous amount of collectibles in Odyssey is heavily offset by the way it doesn't break your flow when you get one by kicking you out of a level.
That one difference made me notice just how much the older games have level design where, even though on the surface it looks like the same open-ish world design, they lean really heavily on a pattern of leading you down a dead end where you either get the shiny thing or perish (or worse, fall off and have to backtrack).

Holla Forums is obligated to respond to any praise on any game with "no it's shit", you know this.

These are kinda cute

But where did Classic Sonic come from, then?

After having seen a video where a woman crushes and kills a mouse with her ass, I honestly thought they were gonna rip it's little arms and legs off.Poor little guy.

This is unironically good.

Well I guess you could say that's what it takes to be Infinite.

Oh my god.

Yeah, around the time they were making Colors.

they're charging $40 for this tripe.

THE GAY COMMUNITY

All Sonic fans should be gassed.

at least rouge is as thicc as ever.

From infinite's lost purity and imagination.

Seriously though, how the fuck did we go from two fantastic games like Colors and Generations to this shit? How did they manage to fuck up the boost formula?

There can be theories made out of that mistery. Its probably money problems, they wanted to make forces as cheap as possible. But made also a bad marketing decision to implement denuvo in both new sonic games.

Did they fix Omega's voice yet? It was fucked in 06, has it reverted to Heroes/Shadow style?

Is there a cool Crush 40 song like Knight of the Wind, or Live and Learn, or is it completely worthless?

Isn't KingK that fag who said StarFox Zero was great and we're all just too dumb to appreciate it?

Jun Senoue does guitar work for the game like i. Infinite's theme, and All Hail Shadow is featured briefly in a cutscene, but other than that, nope. The game's music and level design is a step down from Generations, shame.

I picked it up last night. Turns out O think it is pretty [sp]fun.[/sp] It epitomizes the Adventure style hedgehog on a rollercoaster gameplay. It is a flawed formula, but I really feel like they tried to make it work. There are a lot of things they did right here compared to other entries. It is just a pitty Mania put it all to shame with something that isn't as beautiful. Also, the soundtrack is worth a listen even if you never plan on picking this up. Oh and that is a vool thing too. The music actually fades in and out depending on your speed on Sonic levels. Its really badass.

Calling it worth a pirate at least. You might not hate it.

Yeah man the game is way lower than 5/10

Shill.

You just discovered the secret. A secret previously unbeknownst to us all. A secret none of us had ever dreampt of. A shocking and terrible secret that no one would ever guess!

Polygon is shit.

I was expecting to be pointed to some shit corner of the internet for confusing my spoiler tags, but you are some interesting kind of stupid.

That doesn't even make sense
Of course it does, you need to work really fucking hard to make a sanic game with bad music. And this one is really average
That's been a thing for a while now

Linear bullshit 3D gameplay. I'm saying this is ad good as it gets.
Fuck off. Way better than most of the 3D sonic soundtracks with muh Crush 40.
Has it? Don't remember that in Generations, but maybe the music was just forgettable so I didn't care. I didnt care much for Generations comparatively, which is why I'm surprised I like this.

Shill.

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This is amazing, they've fucked it up so bad on PC. Probably because of Denuvo.

You really don't belong here regardless.

Why is Sega so skittish about having Super Sonic show up in the final boss fight nowadays?

Are you playing the patched version? And is the physics similar to ?

Bravo, Sega

But the Adventure style was actually action platformer, where SA1 had bigger emphasis on platforming and 2 with spectacle and speed.

How is Sega this incompetent? Did they not bother to test it at all?

It's like they want to do everything possible to fuck themselves over.

Found the recent arrival. I hope for you that you have refunded. The typical modern Sonic gameplay didn't emerge until Adventure 2, the Soundtrack as far as I heard strikes me as average. Also calling Generation's Soundtrack forgettable is truly the epitome of 00s fag ignorance. Calling Generation's soundtrack forgettable, is calling the most iconic songs of the entire Franchise up to Generations forgettable. At worst it was unoriginal, because it was nothing but remixes. Fucking smash your balls with a hammer. I don't want your pleb spasms to show up for future of this place.

Other than that; lurk more and learn to use the software!

Wrong: All of Sonic Team will live cardboard boxes in the same dark alley if they continue like this. Sega-Sammy That's the actual who they are nowadays itself has bought together a nice and safe collection of game studios that makes them enough money to operate.

No. 4cuck! Don't be a fucking imbecile; Learn memes and jargon!

Nigga, its modern Sanic Team! Do you even remember Sonic 06?

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Infinite's true face and his team mates are revealed in the official prequel comic.Don't know why they didn't bother showing us this in the Episode Shadow dlc itself. Laziness/ran out of budget, maybe.

This game screams "RUSHED AS FUCK"

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In case anyone is curious, even if it's useless, the game has already been dumped and available to be pirated. It's on cs.rin.ru to download.

But no crack yet, though. Wait for it.

That's fucking hilarious. How out of tact is Sega, holy shit. The first good game in like 2 decades and it's not even canon, what a steaming pile of shit.

wew. Is it a dude or a girl?

This game is officially worse than Sonic 06, colors, boom, generations and lost world combined

Who's to blame?
Who directed Sonic 06?
Why none other than Shun Nakamura…

If the Ruby has the power to fabricate reality then issn't it way more likely that Forces is the fake reality? Made from every odd and end of the world when it all went haywire at the end of mania?

archive.fo/86ONL

Really i don't buying it. Its sad though that game has on-disk dlcs, that is real offense here.

So wait a second, how the fuck he looks exactly like his pre-release fanart here: ?! Coincidence? Was comic released before the leak?

This Shadow voice is really shit, why even have him takeover anything?

Curse of Mephiles. Every time villain edgier than shadow appears - the game sucks.

I also notice a pattern here:

Sonic Adventure 1
Sonic Adventure 2
Sonic Heroes (a little bit different, but still counts)

Three respectable games with similar gameplay, and then turd comes in their style but done completely wrong - Sonic 06

Then we have:

Sonic Colors
Sonic Generations
Sonic Lost World (a little bit different, but still counts)

Successful sonic games of this generation, and then turd comes in their style but done completely wrong - Sonic Forces

Seems simple.

Mephiles at least sort of was the final boss, actually accomplished shit and was pretty cool , Infinite seems like a regular faggot.

If this is real, this DLC could be something else, like cloth from others Sonic characters or even more social in real life clothes, and all they choose is a boring unfunny stale joke to be a stamp of a bland t-shirt. What's next, a Sonichu's stamp, which despite will go entirely against the OC creator idea in the first place, still has chances to appear?

Sometimes, I feel Aaron should step out. He has became really tedious over the years, since I'm tired of hearing theses samey jokes.

He and Iblis had some fucked up deepest lore, featuring references to islam and shit.

Imagine Chris' reaction

There probably is a theory behind development cycles, whose hired, and whose in charge over time, and the natural eb and flow of the quality of a company.
But at least Generations was so broken it's funny. Forces isn't as edgy as Ow The Edge. It's all so dry- in presentation and gameplay. There's not even anything to mock- other than "it's sub-par".
Apart from maybe memes like this

While I'm more of an Adventurefag, I actually really enjoyed Forces. It was a mix of Colors/Generations and Lost World. Beat it in one sitting today and had a good time with it. I think it's just some kind of stigma the franchise has that makes people keep it under a magnifying glass since it's had a few rough fuck-ups in the past. I kind of wish Sonic discussions weren't as autistically terrible as Pokemon ones, though; it's just a bunch of bickering and screaming and elitism and I just kind of wanna chill out. I can understand not liking the game, but fuck, the chillitude of these threads is way past off. I like getting comfy about this franchise but it's borderline impossible given how everyone reacts over it. Sonic Forces wasn't anywhere near as fucked as 06, not that I have a problem with someone thinking it's as bad. Hell it's an opinion man and tastes are tastes; if you don't like a vidya, that's cool, and if you like it, I hope you have a lot of fun with it, even if it's something I don't like myself.

wew

Super Sonic being final boss exclusive was what a lot of people hated about all games from Adventure 'til Colors, so it makes sense that they'd bury that trend for all future games except Generations.

I'm seceretly very excited to hear this news.

There's never been a Sonic Cycle.

Forces does and does not exist.

In theory, every single event that happens in Mania and Forces does and does not exist at the same time.

Schrodinger's canon?

I am deeply disappointed.

crack isn't out yet we ain't buying this shit

From other saps. Plus some clearly bought it.

who is that semen demon?

Well in that case…

I can't believe this is real.

Don't act so surprised. We all knew degeneracy of this kind would happen at some point. One more for good measure.

What the fuck is it with the awful stories in Sonic games being self-aware enough to write themselves out of existence at the end? 06 did it, now Forces is. It's ridiculous.

What in the ever loving fuck is wrong with Sonic Team and SEGA?
They had it with Generations.
They actually fucking had it, at least with Modern's gameplay and level design.

It wasn't perfect, but jesus fuck it was legitimately good level design, that rewarded exploration, was challenging, was more open ended than previous boost games, and was in general really fucking imaginative.
Did Generations just blow the budget for the next fifty years or some shit? Is that why so much of this game's assets are reused?
Why the levels are all so shitty in design? Why the story makes no god damned sense?

This makes no god damned sense, all they had to fucking do was just think of some good original level themes, and then make Generations 2.

This is both hilarious and great. It's nice to see Forces allows us to get at this point of customization, especially when I can see the underwear of my OC that's wearing a maid outfit. In fact, I didn't even know there's a maid outfit in the first place.

And although it's a joke character, the bunny does look good after all. The only thing that looks off is the iris on both eyes not correlating.

Even in gothic lolita dress up the OCs don't look very good.
That might explain it.

Ah, that explains my suspicions.

At least we have Rouge.

I can't believe literally everything they've fucked up. Just fuck Sonic Team.

I'll never forgive them for excluding Blaze.

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The fucking lack of gameovers and even checkpoints during boring and easy as shit bosses.
The disgustingly shit stage design that's never been so horribly on rails and linear.
INFINITE
being a complete little bitch that originally jobbed to Shadow and shitty bosses after being hyped up the entire fucking time since his reveal.
The sheer retardation and senseless tryhard over convoluted mess of the story revolving around the Phantom Ruby that simply gave reason for visiting all kinds of old areas and some neat boss ideas in Mania. Worst of all, the fucking complete fumbling of literallymany and all suspense and tension within the story at all with the shitty gives no fucks dialogue about the world being taken over or Sonic being believed to be fucking dead for almost a year while a pissed off dead serious Eggman, Metal Sonic, Chaos, Shadow and even Zavok and the new reality warping superweapon on top of an army of Death Egg Robos fuck up and kill everything they can hopelessly throw at as a resistance without even trying.

Fucking fire everyone. Everyone.

GODS NIGGERS KIKES FUCKING DAMN IT ALL TO RAGNAROK

At least some of the music is enjoyable and I say that as strictly as possible because it absolutely is love it or hate it. It feels like Sonic 4 tier shit with undeniable wubshit tendencies like it's trying to appeal to both Classic and "hip, cool" Modern fans. Honestly, only the vocals seem decent and something you could listen in its spare time.

Gods, everything in the fucking shit is way too tryhard despite being as pussified, casualized, hamfisted. misguided and underwhelming as possible. It's truly fucking sickening. This is Shadow the Hedgehog levels of they didn't know what they were fucking doing and promised what they couldn't begin to deliver.

Back up, Shadow was a good game, Forces is just pure shit.

Forces is probably the more disappointing of the two since it's not a spinoff and had at least 4 years of dev time after their botched Lost World attempt, but come on, user.

Half assed framerate, melee fighting, physics, vehicles, graphics, and just about everything really with one of the series' most hilariously bad stories is not better than a watered down Generations. Though I suppose a point in its favor is that it was harder than Forces, sometimes for the wrong reasons. (Fucking camera obfuscating the last Artificial Chaos in a rail shooting section)

The graphics were average for the time though I can't help but feel SA2 looked better.
What about it is bad, exactly? The branching paths are there to explore every potential decision Shadow can make and ultimately what becomes of him because of those decisions, and the True Ending is the canon one. What's bad about that?

That part people liked.
People didn't like this part.

The idea of a story based on moral decisions is a good concept on paper, but when you throw away a player's decision in order to wrap up the story, player's don't want that. The game basically says "fuck your decision" and decides that Shadow just doesn't care anymore. A single canon ending throws away all value of the player's decision, and in many cases can contradicts it. You could argue that the inclusion of the Black Arms was unnecessary as well, as they only add fluff to a backstory they had no role in initially.

Deciding to shove aliens in his backstory for no good fucking reason thus relegating the details behind Shadow's return and the Shadow Android subplot (which goes nowhere and is never referenced or used again) to the corner and hastily delivered at the Last Story. Characters swearing and gun usage further contributing to the juvenile tryhard tone the game was going for coupled with mediocre voice acting and lines like being ok with taking candy from babies. Not showing the aftermath of Shadow's noncanon choices after giving similarly framed monologues following his disposal of his downed enemies. And so on.

It's become legit infuriating at this point how inexplicably retarded and incompetent Sonic Team is. How the fuck did they ever get hired?

I'm with you so far, but it would be impossible to include Shadow in any future games or stories if they didn't have a concrete resolution to the game, making his revival pointless(which I think is the #1 complaint with Shadow post-SA2) if they just kill him off again at this point. I think this issue goes away if they made a single story, but I think the game would suffer because of it, because the single story would be longer, wouldn't be able to explore possibilities the way the branching stories do, and would have fewer levels. The thought just doesn't sit right with me.

I agree about the Black Arms, I kinda liked them but when I think about it they really had no business existing. It does give a better reason for the eclipse cannon's existence but I'm not sure it's worth it.

I liked the part where Aline Satan told me to assassinate the president.

But for real I like how it's an explanation for why Shadow is Black and red, and it also explains The Biolizard since that was basically a giant one of them.

It was literally shit. It's exactly what you'd expect, except annoying.

Completed fucking shit. Fuck Shit Team.

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No wonder you're attracted to trash, you already had trash taste.

I guess customization wasn't total ass.

Is this missing a few pages? Infinite's decision seemed awfully fast.

I wish they had actually talked about the Biolizard in that game more since he was only featured briefly in grayscale pictures as part of Shadow's flashbacks. When vid related explains that he donated his blood in order to complete the project, he doesn't mention that he contributed for the Biolizard in any capacity. In Rouge's Report, it makes it out as though it was done entirely by the scientists aboard after researching the Chaos Emeralds and making knock off Chaos Drives, and was a lizard because they initially wanted the Ultimate Lifeform to have regeneration properties. It being big, bulky, inferior to Shadow, having a life support system, and being more similar to an animal that couldn't be controlled as opposed to a higher thinking was why Gerald became desperate enough to collaborate with Doom at all as they were having trouble accomplishing their goal by themselves.

info.sonicretro.org/Sonic_Adventure_2_-_The_Truth_of_50_Years_Ago…

Here's the rest of it, but the ones I didn't post concern Eggman and the origin of his experimentation with the Phantom Ruby. But that along with Infinite's decision to work with Eggman are both over with quickly:

twitter.com/sonic_hedgehog/status/927955925721161728
twitter.com/sonic_hedgehog/status/927956516702863360

I KNOW
Who the fuck is doing this. This is what I don't understand. It's like they reboot it all every fucking game.

Of course I have shit taste; I like Sonic. I haven't played many Sonic games I disliked. I was able to have fun with 06 despite it being a big mess and the gameplay being stale as hell; I didn't enjoy myself as much as I would've with another game, but I had a few fun moments back when I played it. Did you even read my post and what I said about tastes? If you like a game I hope you have lots of fun with it, because I believe vidya is about fun and being happy; it's a luxury hobby that can become a lifestyle if you're passionate enough about it. I thought the SA series was really fun because of the way it played; it had a few flaws that could've been ironed out but overall I actually got used to the way Sonic controlled in the games, and I thought the hunting stages were kinda comfy and even fun once you got good enough at them. I still haven't tried to dig into the mech stages in 2 but they weren't bad from what I tried of them. Adventure 2 is one of my favorite Sonic games, I think.

Ya need to chill for a bit, pops.

I know it's good to discuss about the blue blur, and I understand why is it considered great for you. Simply said, it's just we're currently experiencing Forces being new. It's that Forces as of now is disappointing a good portion of people who expected a decent game after Generations, just like it's giving great time to others. As of now, it currently has a mixed reception so far (according to Metacritic). Or maybe it's just Holla Forums being Holla Forums, perhaps, but I'm sure it's more inclined to the former.

The Sonic franchise is a such a mess of entertainment with so many different games compared to each other, where there are more one-off different games than ones that are plain normal platforming and speeding games. Thanks to Sonic Team, it's what lead us to this ocean of subjectiveness, where a general consensus to be estabilished has the same difficulty as Sonic Team stopping to make Sonic games: impossible. The huge amount of disagreement you see is what gives this hostile and hothead situations between the people that are arguing, thanks to the Sonic games itself being unable to stay in one estabilished formula. It's not in one bit of anormal to see at least a portion of raging people raging onto others in Sonic's fandom because someone said what they don't think it's good or bad.
I have my own ideal dream of a perfect 3D Sonic game that mostly bases on Adventure's gameplay engine style while having a bit of elements borrowed from the Advance games, but nevertheless, I don't bother sharing my innocent and simple idea to others because I know I will be namecalled as the man with no taste, no matter how different is my taste. I'm not saying that I hate when people disagree with me, I'm saying that it's worthy of unintentionally ticking off the bomb that's masked as a cake. In other words, It's no use to try to discuss with theses same people from Sonic's fandom that always look for something to explode themselves and have a HUEG flaming internet fight.

All of my wall text I have made is to clarify it's normal this kind of thing to happen. Not all the time, but sometimes, it pops up. Although I think you shouldn't care about this, I want to say it's alright. Just do what I'm doing: play your personal favorite Sonic game while you keep waiting for Forces's crack to come out. If you want to discuss Sonic right now, that's cool too.

*I'm saying that it's not worthy