>movie tried to portray him as bad guy>root for him and cheer at his actionshow?
>movie tried to portray him as bad guy>root for him and cheer at his actionshow?
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because mike douglas has hella charisma
Last I checked the liberals were trying to cancel this movie because hurr racism and celebrating gun violence
>>136716136>>movie tried to portray him as bad guywhen?at no point that happens, movie its about a guy who did everything right and system shitted on him.
Mentally unstable control freak goes home with the intention to kill his wife (possibly child). No, not a hero. But I do remember Time Magazine talking about angry white males with his picture on the front.
>>136716136No you retard the movie sets out to engage you in his fantasy then it pulls the rug out from underneath you.
It'll never be as much of an issue as Law Abiding Citizen was. Even after changing it so much to make Butler's character even less defensible, people still rooted for him. They should have ended it with the realisation he did have a partner who shoots the lawyers kid.
>>136717379>white male paranoiaKek, white males are shat on, demonized, criticized and they don't give a shit. Meanwhile blacks go apeshit over one 6 letter word. Who's paranoic there?
Did he have a cold sore during this? Its more noticeable during the hobo taking his briefcase scene
>>136717497Check out the article that goes with that picnewsweek.com
>>136716136It's a good movie, but if they wanted people to hate the guy or think of him as a villain, they shouldn't have cast Douglas. Michael Douglas plays a lot of assholes, but he's the kinda asshole that the audience likes because he's funny and charismatic. The movie wouldn't be as good without him though in my eyes, so I certainly wouldn't recast if I had the chance.
>>136717684>>136716174This is an even more dramatic example than Falling Down. Every fan of this movie literally watched the movie wrong, and Douglas and Stone were asshurt about it for decades afterwards.
>>136716136Because you're the bad guy too
>>136716226I don't think this is true. The only person that D-Fens kills in the movie is a Nazi because he is disgusted by his racism even though the Nazi thinks D-Fens is on his side. It's a pretty obvious metaphor for the incels and racists who idolise D-Fens that the writers predicted would emerge
>>136717684If you had to choose someone to replace him, who could play an unlikable asshole in that role?
>>136717664>This was written 27 years ago The game was rigged from the start.
>>136717664>>136718015>27 years ago>author actually uses the phrase "people of color"What the fuck
>>136716136>>movie tried to portray him as bad guyThe movie is a bit balanced in that it says that LA is a shit hole filled to the brim with assholes. So in that respect it's a critique of LA and modern society. But at the same time D-FENS is over reacting. Robert Duvalle's character is meant to be a mirror of him. He's also a white guy with a wife but he's not flipping out. He knows they they lie to everyone and that the world is unfair. Critically he has had something happen to him far worse than anything D-FENS is talking about. He and his wife had a daughter, and she just one night died at the age of 2. D-FENS still has his daughter. In that regard, it's a critique of him.
>>136716983>Mentally unstable control freak goes home with the intention to kill his wife (possibly child).I don't think he was. Robert Duvalle's character accuses him of doing that but he seems shocked at the revelation. In fact, at no point did it ever occur to him that he was a "bad guy". Once the realization hits him he realizes he has to die because he too has joined the legions destroying society that he hates. By suicide by cop he goes out with some honor and his ex-wife and child get taken care of. All he ever wanted was a 50's style picket fence life for himself and others. He doesn't care about big ideologies. But the world is changing, and is filled with ugliness and it's getting worse and he snapped.
>>136716637You're seeing the warped mind of a lefty commie fag in action here.They literally cannot understand that this nazi boomer isn't evil.
>>136718015People act like im schizo when i say white genocide is real.Newsweek in the 90’s was the gold standard publication. It was like time magazine.And they published an article saying how great it was that all whites would go extinct in their lifetimes.
>>136718302>all whitesThey specify white males
>>136718346Yeah. Its a chicken and egg problem. White males can only be produced by a white male and female.So if they kill all white males (which they will in the next 15-30 years) then there wont be any white females either.But i see your point
>>136716637>>136718247It’s chutzpah. They know he’s not evil. Which is why they put him on screen. The same way a cult leader fucks your wife in front of you while calling you a cuck.“Yeah, we did it, it was us, what you gonna do about it bitch boy”
>>136716136I don't think you and I watched the same movie, OP. Falling Down and Joaquin Phoenix's Joker movie share a lot of the same themes.They are dramatic tragedies. They are about the deterioration of a man who has fallen between the cracks of a beaurocratic society. One guy loses his job. If there were an economic stimulus package for missile defence contractor the same way there are for Israel or big banking or big pharma, he would have been saved the indignity of a layoff and the shame of no longer being able to provide for a young family.There was no unemployment net for him. No job skills retraining, no second system "back to school" career transition aid.He said it only like 9 times in the movie, all he wanted that day was to make it in time to deliver a birthday present, and all of these obstacles were just kicking him while he was down over and over and over and over.There's an excellent scene in Marvel's Daredevil on Netflix where Daredevil and the Punisher are on a roof. The Punisher beats the shit out of Daredevil and chains him to a chimney stack and tapes a gun into his hand right in front of his sniper perch. Daredevil is trying to talk the Punisher out of killing a man, and the two of them have a moral egrandizing back and forth and the Punisher says to Daredevil that he is just one bad day away from becoming just like him.Falling Down is about that process. It isn't about good or bad or morals or laws or values. It is about how it is understandable that one bad day can make any man fall down to his worst.People who enjoyed the movie weren't cheering him on or rooting for hostage taking in a fast food restaurant or robbing neo nazis or smacking ethnic counter clerk staff at a convenience store about rising prices. They enjoyed the movie because they understood and appreciated the narrative commentary that "this could happen to you" and "cherish what you have".
>>136719503>>There's an excellent scene in Marvel's Daredevil on Netflix where Daredevil and the Punisher are on a roof. The Punisher beats the shit out of Daredevil and chains him to a chimney stack and tapes a gun into his hand right in front of his sniper perch. Daredevil is trying to talk the Punisher out of killing a man, and the two of them have a moral egrandizing back and forth and the Punisher says to Daredevil that he is just one bad day away from becoming just like him.Yeah that's from the comic originally. Punisher isn't being serious there, he's just fucking with DD by giving him an impossible choice so he'll stay out of his way. He isn't trying to prove a point but to get the man off his back for a bit, Punisher knows his way is terrible but he's can't give it up because it's the only thing that keeps the gun out of his own mouth.
>>136719503Thats bullocks.The movie is about the destruction of white male amarica anthropomorphized in the protagonist who is a missle defence contractor showing both Americas imperialist colonialist aims and the futility of their weaponry against what would be their ultimate downfall. Cultural marxism.The character is shown to combat all these problems with cultural marxism which are again anthropomorphized to make them punchable and therefore solvable. But in the end the amorphous 5th generation warfare perpetrated by whites while they built their maginot line is lost. Douglas loses. His personal war is Americas war. The last stand of the white man as he is engulfed and subsumed by his own country which has betrayed him. People cheer because he gets to punch the problems they are powerless agaisnt. But in the end its chutzpah. The very people who are perpetrating the genocide of white men saying. We are doing this, and you are powerless to stop us. Cucks.
>>136716136The only time he was the bad guy was when he yelled at his daughter. Everything else he did was justified.
I swear even the crudest black and white morality would be too complicated for most of you people.
>>136716136you know he created all of his own problems right? yes, even the ones that you're like, 'duh obviously not that'. Especially that.
Schumacher (RIP) said in a DP interview on YT that it was by design and what drew him to the movie, which he wasn't the preferred director for. During dining the LA riots broke out and he knew it'd connect across party lines. He said Duvall's cop character is sadly overlooked and that "they are the same guy."
>>136719966>Thats bullocks.so's this. it's *bollocks* you fucking twat
>>136716136>>movie tried to portray him as bad guyIt did?
>>136716136That's the point, it's supposed to tell you that you are easy to persuade with spectacle and have a deficiency of empathy.
>>136717778He actually killed him because he started retaliating and getting violent with him just because he disagreed and talked shit about his nazi ideologies, it was one of the only ones to actually endager him and attack him physically. DFens would have shot the mexicans in the head too, but he doesn't have the heart of an evil person so he just went for the leg once they started begging for their lives.
>>136720478Yes. It's one leftist retard that spams this thread every few days because he thinks it will radicalize people to violence.
>>136719966You aren't agitating white men Chang.
>>136720478>Gook store owner tries to over charge him on a soda>Mexicans try to rob him>Bum tries to con him out of his money>Nazi tries to rape him>Boomer tries to kill him with a golf ball>Bitch wife won’t let him see his daughter He was never, and I repeat, NEVER in the wrong
>>136717778Oh woow a jew inserted propaganda about how racism and nazis are eeevil into his film? Shocker.
>>136722266You must’ve missed the parts with the greedy Korean store owner and the Mexicans who try to rob and kill him
>>136716226No one has tried to cancel it and it has zero cultural relevance.
>>136722340Jews can be racist towards groups it's only wrong when whites do it.
>>136716136Literally the whole point of the movie is for the viewer to build sympathy for a character doing horrible things. How are people here consistently so oblivious to the most basic aspects of films?
>>136716136Thought this was Secret Life of Walter Mitty for a second
>>136722182>threatening the life of a store owner for trying to overcharge you on a sodayeah definitely the right thing to do
>>136717379That kind of stuff always fails because they have to contrive events to make the character initially totally in the right and then force him to do bad stuff for no reason. It's a really lame and lazy trope
>>136723124he insulted him a little bit
>>136723124When did he threaten his life? He smashed up the overpriced products and nothing more
>>136723415that's still a crime
>>136723712No it isn’t
>>136717755How did they get it wrong? Because they liked Gordon Gekko?
>>136721150>DFens would have shot the mexicans in the head too, but he doesn't have the heart of an evil person so he just went for the leg once they started begging for their lives.You can see he contemplated it. The thought crosses his mind and he backs down. Like D-FENS gets close to turning into a spree shooter but he never quite crosses that line. And I don't think he had any intention of killing his wife and daughter. In fact when he learns that is what people think is he plans to do he starts to realize the monster he's become. And the guy wants is for everything to be "normal".
>>136723050>Literally the whole point of the movie is for the viewer to build sympathy for a character doing horrible things. How are people here consistently so oblivious to the most basic aspects of films?To a point. It's more nuanced than that. The shit he is reacting to is legit and LA is portryaed as a stressful shit hole falling apart and all aspects of society are scum top to bottom. But he's clearly over reacting and lashing out like a psycho. Duvalle'scharacter is meant to be a mirror. Someone from a similar situation who has actually suffered far more, yet he doesn't over react.