Knives Out

>>136717460Is it good or not? The movie I mean

>>136717460Please tell me.I like whodunnits and I don't think KO is great but it is the first big budget movie in the genre for a decade or so.

>>136717933It's an enjoyable movie if you don't think about all the ways it doesn't make sense.

>>136716924I just want her to steal my life savings

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>>136718133sure. here we goMajor spoilers ahead.Biggest problem is: There is no reason for Ransom to ask Benoit Blanc to be involved in the case. Why would he assume that Marta even gave him ANY medication if he died by cutting his own throat.Wouldn't it have been a much more reasonable assumption that he just killed himself before Marta gave him any drugs? Maybe he planned to kill himself that night and told Marta he didn't want any drugs. Did Ransom somehow know what had happened that night?Another huge issue. Marta was giving this dude 100mg of ketorolac. Well a normal dose of ketorolac would be 15-30mg. 100mg is an unreasonable large dose in any circumstance. Second, the concentration of ketorolac in the movie is 30mg/ml. Morphine was 5mg/ml. It is written right on the label.So, Marta says she wanted to give him 100mg of ketorolac but instead gave him 100mg of morphine. Well, if she wanted to give 100mg of ketorolac, she would be giving him 3.33 mL of fluid (based on her wanting to give 100mg of ketorolac at 30mg/ml).So, if she actually gave him 3.33ml of morphine, she would have actually give him about 16.6 mg of morphine. Not exactly 100mg is it? In fact, he may have been able to survive that dose.If she wanted to give him 100mg of morphine, based on a concentration of 5mg/ml, she would have had to give him 20ml.More to come.

>>136718133>>136718526ContinuedAnother problem is with Fran's death.So, the dreaded morphine kills within 10 minutes. So lets take Fran. She met Ransom at 8am that day. He injects her with a supposed lethal dose of morphine. However, when Marta comes back at 10am she is somehow alive and in fact alive enough to blurt out the story to Marta before passing out.How is it that she lives after injection for 2 hours afterwards when earlier the morphine kills in 10 minutes. Well, Fran would have been long dead by then.

>>136717860There's a whole scene making fun of the guy for exactly that, you're just dumb

>>136718133>>136718608ContinuedSo. What about the whole "Can't lie or I puke thing". Well, its very very variable.Here are the times between when she lies and then when she actually vomits.First lie to benoit in the garden: 5 secondsSecond lie to benoit after interview: 24 secondsThird lie to benoit after car chase: 3 secondsFinal Lie about fran's death : 1 minute 25 secondsVery convenient for the plot

>>136718416All $5? Just kidding

>>136715904Seething immigtrant you will never be an American

>>136718736I love you bro

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>>136715904Edgy. you have to be 18+ to post here.

>>136718863/tv/ is Holla Forums. We are two sides of the infinite bliss of racism and making fun of women. Assimilate into our glorious collective.

>>136718863Follow laws scumbag.

>>136718736Maybe it depends on the severity of the lie and if she tries fighting it or not?

>>136718912>I’m a faggotCool story bro

>>136718774Yeah let’s say $5

>>136718133ContinuedAnother problem. Why wouldn't Ransom just turn Marta in as soon as he heard the story? So what if the toxicology report ends up being normal. She still allowed the man to die by not seeking help. Allowing Harlan to kill himself, even if it was his wish, would be a major violation as a health care provider.Based on her involvement in his death the family could absolutely contest the will in civil court.Marta certainly is guilty of negligence if not manslaughter.Also, if Marta had done the right thing and called 911, both Harlan and Fran would still be alive.Marta is a bad nurse and a bad person. She just got lucky.

>>136718912>if you post anything negative about immigrants you are Holla ForumsTake your meds or cry about it on your own time somewhere else retard.

>>136718982so the bigger the lie, the longer she can hold it in? because the biggest lie was about Fran's death and that was the longest she held it in.

It did seem like they considered setting up a plot thread where she did manipulate events to steal his wealth, but got scrapped early on. Since that would unequivocally make her a piece of shit and the villain

>>136718988Why do you struggle against us? The infinite joy of yelling racial slurs has been shut off to you. Don’t you comprehend that we wish to free you from the limitations of self doubt?

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>>136719049Interesting, thank you for your autism. On the civil court point I have to err, as a lawyer its a bit moore complicated than that.Any whodunnit recs?

>>136718944>muh lawsno

>>136719049She wanted to call 911 though, she only didn't because Harlan told her not to and she wanted to follow his dying wish. And the whole moral of the story was she should have just called 911 like her gut told her to

>>136719140What makes you think that?

>>136719268Yeah but depending on the state (california?) she has a duty as a healthcare provider to call 911, despite the wishes of her patient.In any case, if he wanted to die, calling 911 would have been a reasonable effort to prevent it.

>>136719089I mean, not throwing up at that time saved her from the electric chair/a life in prison and caught the real killer. So maybe it was like the "stressed parent gains the strength to lift a car off their child" equivalent of not throwing up.

>>136717535That's what Get Out was about. This movie was about Rian Johnson gleefully shitting on his audience again. Awful fucking movie.

>>136719268>she wanted to follow his dying wishNo, she was convinced not to call 911 because he told Marta her mother would be deported. She ultimately didn't call 911 for her own selfish reasons.Even after his death, she could have come forward with the truth but again, she had her own selfish reasons.

>>136719310Anon fell for the basic “who dunnit” of everyone has a potential motive to be the killer. Hers being attributed to her convincing the guy to cut off his fortune. As he himself states her consultations with him played a role in his decision

>>136719170>Any whodunnit recs?- Old timey ones (Charlie Chan, The Thin Man, etc)- David Suchet's Poirot- Murder By Death- Clue- Manhattan Murder Mystery- They're not technically "whodunnits" since you see the murder being committed but Columbo is always great.- In the same vein, Murder, She Wrote.

>>136719431God, unfortunately so true

>>136719442>doing something for the sake of someone else>selfishWhat do you think that word means?

>>136719431Knives Out shits on everyone though. Mocks both the liberals and conservatives in the family

>>136719763>>>/tumblr/>>>/out/Take your non issues and don’t let the door hit you on the way out

>>136719654Oh please, she did something good for her immediate family which benefited her directly.

>>136719049I actually liked the movie a lot, it's one of the most enjoyable of the decade. But you are right that it has problems.Marta isn't a bad person, just a bad nurse. She wanted to save him, but just froze up and became incompetent, and then did everything Harlan told her.Even with everything that you are saying, her being a terrible nurse wouldn't necessarily invalidate the will, even if she violated the healthcare worked code. Right?Maybe Fran took many hours to die because she is 45, not 80, like Harlan. But I personally don't really care if the movie made no sense in terms of the medicine used, as they aren't really structure or logic problems. Like, they could have just made up some medicine or whatever, and it would make more sense then.Sure, her puking timing was convenient, but if it was changed to "she pukes two minutes after lying", the plot would remain the same>>136719442Yeah, she should have told the truth, but then again, Harlan was already dead. All she would have achieved was making his death pointless, then going against his wish of his family not getting any money, and getting her family deported.And even after all of this dude, she still was vindicated at the end, because she ended up telling the truth about everything.

>>136718700which scene?

>>136719922>her being a terrible nurse wouldn't necessarily invalidate the will, even if she violated the healthcare worked code. Right?It doesn't have to invalidate the will. It might be better if it doesn't. All the assets go to her then the family sues for medical negiligence to get all the money.Ahh, but as I type this I think of the residuals.

>>136719922>wouldn't necessarily invalidate the willMaybe, maybe not. I'm not a lawyer. But I would say it at least gives the family the ability to contest the will. Maybe they threaten Marta with a prolonged legal battle which she may not win and have to pay legal fees. Maybe instead she gets offered 10 million dollars to give the family the rest?Its certainly enough to get her to the bargaining table.>Maybe Fran took many hours to dieexcept it wouldn't, not in the reality we inhabit. Morphine usual has peak effect of like 10-30 minutes. Even if we say its an alternate universe, Marta even says "Harlan will be dead in 10 minutes" after giving him a lethal dose.>she still was vindicated at the end, because she ended up telling the truth about everything.Yeah, she told the truth after Harlan and Fran were both dead and after Ransom had already told the police what happened.>but if it was changed to "she pukes two minutes after lying", the plot would remain the sameMabye. But, the very first time we see her puke from lying she is doing it in front of Benoit and that's when he learns it is true about her vomiting after lying. If there was 2 minutes of delay, maybe she gets away and vomits without revealing the secret.

>Its certainly enough to get her to the bargaining table.sure, but that changes nothing as far as the movie goes, just in terms of the aftermath.>except it wouldn't, not in the reality we inhabitthe movie already makes no sense medically, so... but still, Harlan was a frail old man, not a 45 year old. When she said that you die in 10 minutes, she was saying that in realtion to harlan, not as an absolute.>Yeah, she told the truth after Harlan and Fran were both dead and after Ransom had already told the police what happenedShe didn't know there was a murderer out there, you can't blame her for Fran's death. And i'm not in possesion of the movie, but i'm pretty sure she revealed everything because she wanted to tell the truth, not because she was found out.>Mabye. But, the very first time we see her puke from lying she is doing it in front of Benoit and that's when he learns it is true about her vomiting after lying. If there was 2 minutes of delay, maybe she gets away and vomits without revealing the secretwell, i doubt that they would let her go or something. Come on, the movie is just trying to fasten up the pace, it the writers wanted to, they could find a way to have them find out that she pukes. I'm not gonna blame the movie for having a better pace (as long as it still makes sense).

>>136720707 this was meant for >>136720434 (obviously)

>>136720434i know that this is a wikipedia page, but still. she told the truth because she know that what she did was wrong, and wanted to pay the consequences

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>>136720707>you can't blame her for Fran's death.She is not directly responsible but had she told the truth and done the right thing from the very beginning Fran would be alive. As would Harlan.>the movie is just trying to fasten up the paceyeah, that is kind of my point. They make her vomiting fit the plot however they wanted. Which is just lazy.

>>136720896Yeah, she wants to tell Benoit the truth after Fran is taken to the hospital and they are in the waiting room.She says she is going to tell him the truth because people are getting hurt. However, before she can say anything Benoit interrupts her and says he already knows.However, this truth only comes out because she has allowed another person to get hurt because of her lies.So she does the right thing, just a bit too late.

>>136721157Yeah, but you can make all kinds of excuses for every murder/accidental death. You can't blame her for not knowing Ransom was a murderer.It's not lazy, it's saving time, which is not the same. Her puking doesn't fit the plot, it fits the pacing, but the structure is the same.>>136721270Well, yeah, she did the right thing too late, because she didn't know that there was a murderer out there (apart from herself). Who knows, maybe, even if Fran didn't die, she would still have told the truth in the end. But plot happened. Anyway, I don't believe her to be a bad person, just a flawed one.

I liked this movie but the puking was disgusting and the parts wjere they mentioned SJWs and alt right made me cringe. Any chan related stuff brought up irl makes me cringe except for one friend I have i can talk about 4chan with. It's just a visceral reaction. It was like the gamergate SVU episode it's jsut unnatural.

>>136721516>Her puking doesn't fit the plot, it fits the pacing,You really believe this?The very last time she pukes all over Ransom, she literally waits until he is done with his rant until she decides to puke all over him. That is done 100% for plot reasons. By delaying her puking for a full 1 minute and 25 seconds it allows Ransom to admit to all his crimes and get up into her face. And don't say "she puked earlier but held it in". You literally hear her start to vomit after he finishes speaking.

This movie was convoluted and contrived as fuckAnyone who can't see that is just a easy-to-impress pleb

>>136721800Facts, Fuck Rian Johnson

>>136719537>ClueBased

>>136715587Reminder that the spic spends a majority of this movie covering up a crime she thought she committed

>>136721771I'm basically having the opposite interpretation of you. You are saying that, based on her previous pukings, it makes no sense that she lasted so long this time. What I'm saying, is that the other times, she could also have taken a long time to puke, but the writers knew this would just be pointlessly prolonging the length, so they made her puke early. Basically, you are saying that her natural puking time is short, while I'm saying that her natural puking time is long, but for pacing reasons, sometimes they made it short.

>>136715587Shit I never caught that. Nice.

>>136715964No but he gives her a super detailed plan that he should of had no time to do.

>>136722087This is fucking retardedI remember the first time she fucking rushed to the bathroom cuz she couldnt hold itAlso>it's the producers faultFucking mental gymnastics man, just admit the movie is shit

>>136722177huh? i't the writers fault, that's what i said. Yeah, the first time she rushed to the bathroom. What if she hadn't? The plot would stay the same. That's my point...

>>136722087I'm saying the time its takes from "lie to puke" is completely dependent on how long the writers needed and not based on anything intrinsic to Marta's character.That is what makes it lazy writing.

>>136722257It's not based on what the writers need, it's based on what the audience needs. That's like saying that having fast pacing is lazy. We are not talking about character development here, just puking time.

>>136722250If your bullshit super convenient to the plot power can be something you can hold for as long as 1m 30sec you should establish that when first introduced Instead shit seems like it just happens when the plot needs it, which it doesIt's not something to do with timing or pacing is just dumb bad writing

>>136722257is it lazy montage to cut down on pointless character actions for that matter? The most important thing is always the flow of the story

>>136722481why should you establish that particular thing from be beginning? Also, they did establish that she could hold her puke, like when she went to the bathroom to puke, instead of doing it during the interrogation.

>>136722412>it's based on what the audience needs.I can't even begin to comprehend this statement. Is that you, Rian Johnson?

>>136722567the audience needs adequate pacing. There was no point in her holding her puke the first time she did it, it would only make the pacing slower

>>136722491Yeah, keep the story convoluted and moving quickly nobody pays attention to the shit that makes no sense.

>>136718736Damn son. Good job. A real sleuth

>>136722558No nigga, she hold it max for like 20 sec and again, she fucking russhed to itAnd you do that because that's how good writing worksIf you gonna have an element in part C you establish it in part A, it's one of the most basic shit in writingYou really need to stop defending the undefendable

>>136722632it does make sense, in terms of structure and logic. >>136722682but she did hold it up until she got into the bathroom. And no, you don't need to establish every aspect of everything. They established that she pukes after lying, and thats all that you need.

>>136721661>but the puking was disgustingI mean... no kidding?

>>136722788Bro just stop The other user is also calling you out in your bullshit Not every aspect, but such an important one as that, that is the closure of your film, yes you do >They established that she pukes after lying, and thats all that you needObviously not

>>136721933What's wrong with Clue?

>>136722923why? why do you care so much that is is established that she can hold it? what would be the objective benefit?

>>136722788>it does make sense, in terms of structure and logic.Do I have to repost the same shit I posted up top? Why did Benoit never ask her about the blood on her shoe. He admits near the end of the movie that he saw it from the first time they met. If he saw blood on her shoe, why would he never ask her about it? She can't lie.Also, the only reason people like Marta is that they made every other character (except Benoit) a giant piece of shit in comparison.

>>136723117you are right about the blood spot. But that has nothing to do with the problem of her puke time.

Also, remember after Marta gives him the "overdose" when she is looking for the Narcan?In the beginning of the scene they show that the medicine bag was originally in the bedroom before she brings it up to the study (where he gets injected).She doesn't even look in the bedroom for the Narcan bottle. Would that be the second place you would check after looking in the bag? She wouldn't have found it, but tell me you wouldn't search for it there?Nope, she just gives up.

Would have been a much better film with a little nuance. Rian Johnson lacks subtlety in literally everything he does. All the good parts centered around Craig, de Armas and Chris Evans too. That big ensemble really did absolutely nothing and weren’t funny at all

Also, I hated Craig's accent.

>>136723486I thought having an Englishman do an obviously fake Southern accent was a nice throwback to stupid shit like having white guys play Chinese detectives.

>>136723914If that was the intention then I guess mission accomplished.To me it felt like another Rian Johnson "exceptions subverted" moment.

>>136717460Problem is, morphine hits you in like ten seconds so the entire premise is flawed.t. ex-morphine shooter

>>136724105Yeah, I mean the onset of action of morphine is fairly quick but the peak effect is like 15-30 minutes

>>136719922>one of the most enjoyable of the decade.

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