Sonic Forces

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Both of those videos are so trash.
This game is going to be trash. I am done. I thought only first city was just a linear tutorial level, but judging from all those trailer the level design of forces is amazingly shitty even for a booster game. Story is a fucking bait for a cheapest made gameplay in the series. Even unleashed is better than this shit.
And yep, that totally deserves denuvo so less idiots will buy it out of fanatism.

vector is my favorite sonic character because he is cool and he likes rooms with computers

This’ll end up worse than Boom AND ‘06

It will only hurt pc sales. Console fags will continue to be gay and buy large stocks of it. Both Boom and '06 had same thing about them - they were console exclusives on top of their usual problems.
The answer will probably be: "hurr durr goyim don't buy our games on pc, lets not put anything on pc ever again, what denuvo? That's a drm. Only pirates care about drm".

Sonic is dead or better put should have died a long time ago and i'll tell you why. Since day 1 Sonic was thought of as the ultimate Mario-killer, a danger-seeking cool dude who kicked villain butt while being cheeky and carefree. A polar opposite to the image of Mario, the kindly almost blank-slate chubby everyman. And therein lays Sonic's fall and curse. Unlike Mario he is fast, he has a slick design like a sports car and his entire gimmick is the one of being the fastest creature alive. He can't be like the superman Mario, capable of everything and a blank-slate for the developers to pour their ideas onto him, giving Mario a dynamic flexibility accompanied by talented teams of marketers and devs that have made him a permanent figure of pop culture.
Sonic's saving could have existed in his furry friends whom are like him but with enough notable differences to stand out. Knuckles is a muscular red Sonic with an even bigger attitude and a bit of an airhead. Tails is a yellow, flying more methodical Sonic gifted with the smarts. But aside from a handful of old smaller games they didn't know how to exploit this. So here we are now again, Sonic Team making complete fools of themselves trying to keep the gimmick character alive out of the pockets from a rabid, autistic fanbase of aging manchildren and kids who like playing as Sonic in Smash Bros and the Sanic internet memes.
Companies mostly care about making the profit now instead of later, so it was only natural that Sonic would struggle to find a place after the Genesis. There was still demand but the way that the franchise should have moved forward was uncertain and Sonic Team was exploring other genres with stuff like NiGHTS into Dreams that had revolutionary game design for its time but no place in the market and saw release in a quickly dying console.

Nah user, the main problem is a fucking level design in forces. Just fucking look at it. Its a fucking metal board with circles of enemies which you dash through and more to another metal board with circles of enemies and a wisp orb. Then you watch a cinematic with a train. That's is a real fucking insult right here, everything else may be a global problem since adventure 1, but level design managed to beat all my expectation down into drain. Its like sonic boom people were in charge of it again.

Yeah that's why Sonic should die already but it won't happen until people stop buying clearly mediocre or downright shit games.

It's still just linear corridors and PRESS X TO GO FAST. There's speed, but no sense of momentum. Will Sonic Team ever learn, or must Taxman start making 3D Sonic games for them as well?

The guy in charge of the level design is Morio Kishimoto, the same guy who worked on Colors' and Lost World's. You know, games known for their stellar level design. Once I learned that it explained a fucking LOT about what we're seeing in these gameplay videos.

This game is like the worst parts about Generations and Colors all rolled into one aggressively mediocre title. I know this game will still sell because of brand recognition and autism, but I have a feeling it won't do nearly as well as Generations. Reason being that its biggest selling point was nostalgia, which was much more appealing to the average gamer than Forces', "Look, we went back to doing darker, more serious plots, there's an overly edgy villain, AND you can make your own OC! This is what everyone's been asking for!!!" All this without a hint of irony, even though that's what Sega of America's marketing team is desperately trying to meme it up as. (Poor bastards always have to run some kind of damage control for Sonic Team's retarded decisions.) Too bad no one's buying it. Sorry Webber, no amount of Twitter shitposting will save this one.

Webber probably already hates us for leaking mania and dying for 12 tribes of israel. He won't go lightly on shitty memes now.
I played both games they were not even nearly as bad as what i am seeing here. inb4 he is sabotaging the project or forced to make open spaced for shitty OC flamethrower weapon. Also weapons in sonic games, holy shit we have to deal with this again.

I don't see problem.

This game looks almost as good as Mighty No. 9. The overtly Megalovania-flavored background music 20 seconds in really seals the deal though.

Egg vacuum best gun. Prove me wrong

I can't put it into words exactly why, but this looks so bloody amateurish and unprofessional. Second video especially, looks like a Sonic fangame I'd see on Steam, and not an actual fucking game. The speed of the character doesn't look like it syncs up with the animations themselves, or something. It's just off. And that's ignoring the subpar texture work and baren environments.
I pray that Mario Odyssey will be fun. At least it looks professionally made.

The best platformer of the year was already released. It features a loli and a hat.

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Mate, please. It's barely average. Should have been put together in 18 months at the most. Just because it's the best Kikestarter has shat out in recent memory does not make it an actually good game.

Nah, that goes to Hollow Knight my nigga

Those are definitely QTEs. Fuck, I had so much hope for this game. Do they think we're retards or something? "Space Port" my ass, it's obvious they're just repurposing the Chemical Plant assets from Generations.

That second clip is exactly what I had in mind while typing that post.

It seems very segmented. No flow. This was always a problem in 3D Sonic, but the increased focus on cinematic moments, and parts of the level railraoding you into using all of the new abilties make it worse.

Move from left to right, try to avoid enemies and obstacles as you go, slow down occasionally for more precise platforming, pick up items and rings if you like.

Walk forward, hit a zipper and stop to watch a cutscene of Original the Character going through a loop, camera shifts to sidescrolling view, pick up a powerup, and blast through a chain of conveniently places enemies, stop to watch a cutscene of OC doing something cool, move forward a few more steps, stop for a highly scripted sequence showing off cool new grappling hook mechanic, and so on.

It's like you guys weren't even here for the autismas that was the ride. I just want to play as a hilariously edgy character, a cute cat waifu, and maybe a cringey oc I kept to myself during the ride.

That was one of the last fun things we did on 4chan before moot cucked out.

Eat shit

Even Colours at it's worst isn't as bad as shit shit, though. I think a big reason why the level design here is so bad is because, and this is pure speculation on my part, they scrapped half the levels and rebuilt them with assets taken from Generations in order to compete with the Mania guys. The levels are sloppy not only because they're designed by a hack, but because they're horribly rushed.

>tfw I still wanna play it even after taking all this into account

looking at this shit show got me thinking, why didn't they make this an rpg? they know fans don't like how they do 3d games, they added an oc creator, with the oc they could shift focus from movement and going fast to combat and exploration, why not take advantage of this and redeem your rpg reputation

I'd almost consider posting them again if I weren't so disappointed that Ian became one of THOSE liberals and decided to fuck with best waifu in the reboot.

Some games can get away with it. Drakengard is a good example of novelty>gameplay.

Because that worked out so well last time.

Don't hire Bioware this time, obviously.

But hey, at least it had a fantastic OST, like all Sanics!

Because Sonic fans don't like RPGs.

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i said in my post they could redeem themselves from tdb, if they could've made this a good rpg, instead of another 3d sonic shitshow


well judging by how well mania did, i'm guessing the fans are largely retrofags, why not make a good retro rpg instead

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I agree with you (I thought the middle cutscene looked pretty cool, though). Let's not forget the returnable zones themselves.


My real problem with this situation is not that they are making Generations 2, I think it's really nice to see old brought back zones now in a new 3D vision. It's that the zone's selection itself that looks pretty bad and awful. As if Chemical Plant making its appearance for the third time (I think?) wasn't enough, now we have Green Hill being reused for the tenth or whatever time. If they keep doing this, this will only bring bad consequences, as in making the future games look repetitive and not really anymore unique. I like Mania for several factors, and one of theses factors summarizes that it brought back unpopular zones like Lava Reef, Oil Ocean (which I didn't expect it AT ALL), Flying Battery (my favorite zone), Metallic Madness and others.

See, I really like the Forces's atmosphere and theme it's trying to show and the OC creator's idea (yeah, unironically, which I don't care if it's associated with Devianart's cringe stuff and such), which I think they really have potential in a Sonic game, but looking at the zone's selection, plus considering what you have said, it's sad but not surprising to assume Forces has greater chances of it being bad than chances of it being good. Oh, long time no see, Sonic Cycle.

Oh, and Classic Sonic.

You're making that assumption off of the one existing Sonic RPG, which is also a terrible shovelware tier game. No one would have pinned Mario or Megaman fans as being into RPGs, but the devs put out some well made games, and people took to them.

Of all the characters that can be sexualized from this series, why the most innocent one?

You just answered your own question, user. Innocence is appealing.

I fucking hope to god this doesn't sell better than Mania. Especially not after they delayed Mania to add Denuvo to it then tried to imply that this was a decision by the devs, and included Sonic 1, a game EVERYONE probably owns at this point, as dlc so you don't refund the game.

Embed related isn't quite as bad, probably because it's one of the few original songs for it rather than a remix.

Pro-tip: Don't look up Al Nilsen or Tom Kalinske's twitter, either.

They're scared to just make the game stand on it's own- because they have nothing.
So they throw in Classic Sonic and throwbacks to stages. What do they add?
Seeing the gameplay hammers it in. In Classic Sonic Green Hill Zone- every time the ground is raised- you can keep running into a hidden spring.
It's not hold right and hit occasionally- it's just hit right.
How this shit doesn't have a review embargo to save their ass I don't know.

Mania is gonna fuck them hard- Denuvo or not.

Actually- how could you make a decent 3D Sonic game, if it even needs one?
It's fast platforming in 3D. A nasty combination that's hard to get right.

They had a whole fucking soundtrack made for this game too, but for whatever reason only bits and pieces made it into the game, the rest is just fan midis they stole from the internet.

Not that this is particularly great. Kinda bland actually

link me, my dude

No idea, but judging from the general reaction to this shit, it seems like the sonic fans really just want another Adventure-styled game, with most of the shit taken out.

Drakengard is hot garbage though.

flat cat is best cat.

On a side note I went ahead and installed the Unleashed Project mod… I gotta say, it's pretty damn impressive. I can't imagine Generations was the easiest thing to mod for so recreating entire levels with an older games assets must have been quite a bit of work.

A similar thing happened when they had to switch out a remix remix of the original Sonic title theme in Spinball for an original track at the very last minute because they didn't receive Masato Nakamura's permission to use it again. That is to say nothing of what happened in Sonic 3 and their reluctance to acknowledge any of the later half of the game's zones musically because of MJ, with Ice Cap being the stand out example of being lifted from one of his bandmate's earlier works.

First you decide if your goal is to make a good game, or a good translation of classic Sonic into 3D. The Sonic stages of the adventure games, Colours, and Generations are all solidly good games, but they all fail at translating the feel of classic Sonic.
To do that you'd have to look at making things less automatic and guided, and bring pinball physics and momentum based gameplay back into the mix. Personally, I'd look to skateboarding games and Super Monkey Ball for inspiration.

Spotted the faggot that got his ass kicked.

FLAT

The options don't even look that appealing to play it for novelty

Kicked by boredom? Yeah then sure, it's an overrated piece of shit done on a shoestring budget Musou clone with horrible flight sections and lots of padding.

what monster would do this?

I agree, about the best looking character came from TGS and even that one looked pretty mediocre… but, considering how dedicated and autistic the fandom is, you know it's going to be modded to hell and back again.

Plus I'm pirating it first so at worst it's as bad as it looks and I'll just play through it once or twice for the laughs, at best it's one of those games that doesn't look good in videos but manages to be fun when the controllers in your hand. In that case I'm more then willing to support Sega if they make something decent.

But on the topic of the game, it doesn't look bad, but it doesn't look like anything special. I'll buy it on PC if it doesn't have denuvo.

heh.

Every time they add shit, it goes wrong.
Not that Adventure or Adventure 2 are great. Controlling Sonic in 3D barely works, and if you don't hit ramps just right- you can fly off.
BUT, because the fans play the stages they like over and over- perfecting them (and grinding up Chao) they remember it fondly.
You try to get good at the 2D games, and you're rewarded when you get good with better times.
You try to get good at the 3D games- and it doesn't take much effort. Who cares how quick you beat City Escape in? There's more margin for error.

Fuck it, I'm just gonna dump Sonic based reaction images.

Stop saying stupid shit and just admit why you came to this thread.

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I literally would not care what direction 3D Sonic takes if they'd just bring those little shits back.

Well shit, I was honestly being hopeful about it. Haven't been staying updated about Sonic Forces information. But, I should've known as much seeing what happened with Sonic Mania. Thought the controversy with Mania would've been enough to get Sega not to do this.


I don't know what you're implying, user. I don't have much to post anyways.

So would we all- but the code behind their bodies slowly changing (after they evolve- Dark Power for example- you can either specialize in the stat or go for another to change how it looks) is lost

They should just get it over with and make a standalone chao game. They never had a hell of a lot to do with Sonic anyway.

There's a crack for Denuvo on Mania- or consoles if you're a heathen. Denuvo was also "removed"- but all it means is they said you can play offline, all it does is check less often,
People are cracking them ONE DAY after release.

There is also another option on the same day.

How hard could it be to just do it over, though?

Hell, there's a few decent 3D platformers, and some older ones if you want to pirate/emulate them.

And once you consider other genres- why play Forces? Money is too important for games that are "eh, it was ok." Especially from an AAA (or just A) studio.

Mario Odyssey comes out less than two weeks before Forces, and that actually looks solid. Forces doesn't have a bloody chance of competing with that, nor with Mania.

How's A Hat in Time, anyway? I don't see much negativity, which is good, but I also don't see a hell of a lot of people talking about the game.

With how little care modern devs put into work- it'd take them a while to prefect an imitation of it.
sonicfanchara.wikia.com/wiki/Chao:_A_Beginner's_Guide

Keep in mind the pictures of them after evolving aren't a second evoltion or their final appearance. The more their stats change, the more they slowly change over time. If you hack the game and push stats higher- their proportions exaggerate even more.
Then you've got the breeding for colors and two-tones.

Okay. No.
Sonic RPG featuring Chao as the equivalent of Pokemon.

It's cute, it's fun, but it needed a bit more polish here and there. For every moment graphics are bad, They'll be two other things to make up for it.
It also does things in certain stages very different from the usual collect-a-thon, and if you don't like it, it'll suck. It looked cool to me though.
Look up Commisar Bear or Vinesauce on Jewtube for their playthrough.

They gave Forces a $40 pricetag, which is becoming more and more evident as they show off more of its gameplay. Going to be pirated to hell and back on PC after their Denuvo fiasco, regardless.

I swear to god I thought it was 60$
That's not bad of a price

I know how Chao work famalam, for a while I was digging deep into their ins and outs on some dude's website to work on a fangame which I kinda got bored of

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It is in maple bucks.

those baby levels should be replaced with young adult, because thats what those forms are
pre-adult should also be included in the image, as chao can even change based on stats before becoming adults

labels, not levels

Don't forget about the Chaos Chao stage. I remember making a list of animals I did and didn't give to my chao.. Sure as hell don't see that anymore. Also I may not remember, but only after their first rebirth do they take on the mixed appearance based on their stats.

I was on the fence about Forces but these two video have convinced me that the game is going to be irredeemable garbage.

This looks nothing like Chemical Plant.

The level is called Space port, but pic related is the same thing as what's in chemical plant.

meant for

That's really fucking pathetic.

This thread need more porn

That third picture is just sick

Probably some deepest lore shit. Chemical Plant being rebuild into a Space Port.

The best part is that in forces you don't even get to run on them :^)

HOW DO THEY KEEP GETTING IT WRONG?

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the vidya crash happened we just never noticed

Need more Rogue for research

This is Rogue Two

Talk about karmic balance
God Hand alone was good enough to make 2006 a god tier year for gaming, even with all the turds mentioned in this post

Why? Sonic games are supposed to be replayable, and that cutscene is going to get old fast.
Forces is looking to be really average. You've got your fast but it's interrupted constantly. You've got Infinite, who was hyped up to actually be tough, but that boss fight video looks like shit. I might grab it used for cheap in a few years, but right now there's nothing that stands out.

All I want is a proper Generations 2. They could ditch the mainline games and use the Master System and Advance ones. They could even bring in Sonic 3D Blast stages, since we have the technology to make it not shit now. Imagine seeing Aqua Lake, Cyber Track and Panic Puppet in proper 3D. Generations 3DS was alright but didn't stray far enough.

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Speaking of 3D blast, it is getting an patch from one of the guys who worked on it.

Did they just reuse assets from Generations?

I was in the 'These levels are early levels, it's bound to get better' camp.

but this is just awful. rings scattered everywhere, enemies are just even bigger canon fodder than usual, the OC character's controls lack finesse, highly linear.

and i'm not really a big fan of the OC level's soundtrack. not my thing

i'm going with
your clearly supposed to think of chemical plant when you see this level.

Liberals of all stripes are faggots, don't kid yourself.


Oh sweet fuck, how cucked are they?

Oh hey that's a reference to Rent A Hero isn't it

Also it has Sonic characters talking fucking constantly except they're don't talk like cartoon animals but instead like those annoying CoD spunk gargle weewee characters that tell you what to do all the fucking time

Because pedos are degenerates.

The Sonic twitter has put up 2 Short comics so far.

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It looks like I was right about what I guessed before.

The Chaos that's going to be a boss in Forces is the Chaos from before Adventure 1 happens, so he's not pacified yet.
I assume that means that The Shadow boss is going to be Shadow from before Adventure 2 starts so he's still going to be dead set on destroying the earth.

Sometimes Sonic fans are alright.

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What are some actually good boss fights in Sonic games?

SA2 Sonic/Shadow levels were really great tbh. The lowest points were when you had to stop the level to put a key in a slot but I can only think of a few times this happens.

Forces has a great presentation, but the stages look very boring. I'll pirate it and play it but I'll probably not have as much fun as I did with Generations or Mania. Maybe mods will fix it. They wont, its been 7 years since Generations was released and the best fan stages are still the Unleashed ports. 3D Sonic has no modding community.

but they weren't really great. SA1&2 are jenky as shit but once you get accustomed to the jenk it can be sorta fun. But to act like they where well made (even for the time) is delusional. The physics was wonky and the level geometry was glitchy as shit. There are several WIP fan made Engines that seem promising like Sonic Utopia or Sonic Islands from SAGE 2017 but we have yet to see a "great" 3D Sonic. SA & SA2 are barely adequate even if one is being charitable.

I remember you. Get the fuck away from me.

> tfw Sonic Mania outsells Sonic Forces

Charmy got bullied hard.

How about we acknowledge the fact that sonic military is a thing now.

That was suspected as soon as the OC was introduced and the game was titled Sonic "Forces".

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It's just unsatisfying somehow.

Is that faggot carrying a dildo?

Nope, tips quils over there is carrying what looks to be like a Katana.

That's a katana you uncultured western pig

Well I don't know how good of a judge I am but I made webms of my favorite 3D ones.

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I could have probably done Biolizard and Egg Emperor better but i'm a little out of practice.

Implying that autist doesn't use the handle as a buttplug.

No, because Episode Shadow is about the deconstruction of Team Dark and how/why he joins Infinite. The only other character who is probably from a different dimension is Zavok before he got kicked into lava.

We don't know what is going to happen in episode Shadow.
What you said could happen. Maybe Shadow will be convinced or tricked into joining Infinite, but I like the idea of the current Shadow getting displaced in time and replaced by Pre-adventure 2 Shadow. because the current Shadow just turning bad sounds lame.

So it a recto blade then.

Are you that mentally retarded autistic faggot who created an entire thread to bitch about people not liking SA?

Replacing Shadow with his SA2 self would be just as bad as "now Shadow is evil", because you throw away the character development he had after Heroes.
If anything, I think he's only joining Infinite out of some kind of kindred spirit kind of way. Infinite could be perceived as Eggman's Ultimate Lifeform.

I guess we will just have to see how it plays out in the game.
If Shadow is going to "Turn bad" I want a good explanation.

Hmm… i see where you're getting with this at.

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Nilsen RT'ing Dean Takahashi here, probably more poz'd shit there, whereas Kalinske, the former CEO responsible for making the company a success that momentarily bested Nintendo in market share before getting sacked by the japs hates Trump.

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And some other gay -bend-the-knee- SJW type shit.

He had a point though, you had literally no arguments.

Sonic 1's Star Light boss
Sonic 2's Wing Fortress boss
Sonic CD's Stardust Speedway boss
Sonic 3's third Launch Base Act 2 boss
Sonic & Knuckles's Sky Sanctuary boss

Given the most recent trailer, it might have something to do with Omega being inactive/dead. Maybe he dies/deactivates and Eggman agrees to revive him if Shadow works for him, but ends up brainwashing him and doesn't go through with fixing Omega.


That might just be the first encounter at ColdWar!Chemical Plant.
The Biolizard was pretty good. It was basically a combination of everything you had learned and honed up to that point.
>Gitting gud.

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Well he still has a point IMO The Phantom Ruby seems like just a plot device.
As much as I would enjoy seeing Hyper Sonic come back, it's ultimately better just to have Super Sonic rather then fall into the problem that Dragon ball has where Goku's at Super Saiyan 12 or some shit like that now. I mean it's gotten to the point were Goku ultimate form is him looking fucking normal.

Nah man it's quick-time events look at 1:33 here

whoops

Sonic Forces is making me legit mad looking at gameplay of it.
Like how many bad ideas and designs can they fit in a single game.

See, this is what I mean when I say 3D should look to skateboaring games and stuff. This actually looks pretty cool.

06 could have been far better if they didn't rush the shit out of it. The Sonic Elise romance still would never work no matter how long the game was under development, but The Sliver and Shadow stories were decent enough.

Most of what you wrote for the Sonic forces is pretty much right but.
From what i'v seen the OC is just a generic animal character who has the wisp gun thing. Doesn't seem like there is much the OC can do that anyone else in the cast couldn't. If your OC had Psychic powers like Silver or some shit then yeah that would be Mary Sue tier. but In the comic here it looks like they'll just give the gun to anybody. Now if your saying the OC is a mary sue because they team up with Sonic sure I guess that could count, but there wouldn't be much of a point to the OC if you weren't going to interact with Sonic and fight bosses as them.
but if your main point is there shouldn't be an OC at all then I can accept that. it's just making a dumb OC for fun is literally the main draw to this game for me.