Nasuverse

Is it safe to be hype?
Also somebody should probably tell him rape is illegal
Although he might not even listen

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Bow down to the King.

What about Thomas Edison

:^)

If Mordred's playable it's a day one buy for me.
If Siegfried's playable hopefully it's the real one and not that hommunculus faggot Jeanne's whiteknighting .
It's not rape if it's consensual

cute way to name your gatcha thread, whaleboy.

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I don't think you understand how the parallel universes are set up.

Gotta stand looking at Astolfo's faggot face for the next week.
Also;
Unless they go full platinum, I dread having to play another musou. The only way they could get my purchase would be confirming Ishtar.

Oh I get how they work, but after Fire Emblem Warriors I've learned to expect disappointment, even if it defies all logic.

Since the Mooncell completely replaces the Throne of Heroes even for Counter-guardians making contracts I don't actually know if that's even possible in Extra. Closest I can think of were the Alter-Egos which were combinations of various goddesses as opposed to one in particular. I'm uncertain how Ishtar would even manifest.


I know Nasu is a piece of shit but Nasu didn't write hommunculus Siegfried into existence so I expect him to give zero shits about the character.

RAPE THE MAIDS

You know, I read the Apo novels. The first two at least. Somehow Sieg wasn't that annoying there. But holy shit, watching the anime did I come to hate his ass. Fuck his homunculus ass, fucker accomplishes fucking nothing and keeps making bad decisions without repercussions.

C'mon user, it's Nasu. He can write anything into reality for waifupower. Couldn't she be summoned just how Artemis was summoned?

user, you do know that if Ishtar manifested in the same way that Artemis did she would look nothing like Rin right? Because she's no longer a pseudo servant but just a regular one and therefore unmixed?

Wasn't she supposed to resemble Rin anyways? Or was that only a personality thing?

It's only a personality thing. Jaguar man doesn't look like Taiga, and Zhuge Liang doesn't look like Waver naturally. Pseudo-servants only exist because they basically take two people and fuse them into one, with the human in the modern era being the one with the most affinity. In Jaguarman's case, he possesses the one with "the most wild spirit" referring to Taiga's personality.

TAIGA STRONKEST!

Why isn't there any good porn of Taiga?

Why isn't there any good porn of Bazett?

Because Nips don't like Christmas Cakes

Because she's not feminine and kind of generic.

Because only Cu's Gae Bulge is good enough for her.

But he has a point. Any discussion here is usually limited to the gatcha trash. Sure, i will concede that the rest of the nasuverse is a bit quiet with HF in production. But, come on, cant you just put gatcha or mobage in the thread title, so it doesnt come off as a bait & switch?
Is this some bizarro abortion sucessor to kancolle threads? At least shipgorls had fun OC in threads. All i ever see in these is screencaps of that shit app, discussion of said shitty app, or trap porn

>last thread has over 150 posts dedicated to Fate power level shit posting about whether or not Heracles worst class is Berserker which is true

It just seems 'odd' that once the mobage started getting traction with the tumblr community, kancolle threads disappear and these pop right up. Not a mobage peasant, so i only come for the shitposts and OC.
Heracles couldnt be done justice with a nasu class. Hell, a lot of the greek pantheon would blow dicks if they got pigeonholed into a shitty preset class with dumpster skills. Basaka is indeed worst class for him, but the same could be said for any heroic spirit.
But the madman did it anyways. I bet that silly jap would make Wotan a saber or caster for shits n giggles

This is correct since servants don't get to power level as hard as they did in their actual myth, else Gilgamesh would actually be able to destroy the entire planet.
Why do I feel like you have no idea what you're talking about?

It's like you want me to bully you, tumblrina mongrel. Still didnt respond to my point about the (((coincedence))) involving kancolle threads dying and this shit popping up.
Truth be told, i havent played any of the extra series artsyle was a turn off, and the raping of the nasuverse from that point on really soured my taste for non VN nasuverse shit.
Wotan could be a servant through his most recent avatar, Uncle Adolf!

>brings in homo designs as a non-sequitur which honestly are pretty awful

Gilgamesh is 2/3 god 1/3 human in Fate/Stay Night (which I'm starting to doubt you read), he's supposed to have rank A+ divinity (i.e. became a god after death) but he was so rebellious against the gods he lost it. Meanwhile Herc did become a god, but you're not summoning the god Heracles when you summon a servant, you're summoning the demi-god.

Nasu actually could do this at anytime but that doesn't make Wotan a servant, it's the same case with Rama being summoned and him not being Vishnu as a god.

It has been about 10 years since i last read itstill like the setting of turkeyhandle better.
Did you just get into the series? You sure seem eager to sperg, maybe this is your new fad. You make a point about Adolf and Wotan, but this franchise is so far gone, i wouldnt be surprised if they did find a way to retcon gods into servants.
Nero was the nail in the coffin for me. The sheer amount of how much TM bent over the barrel to acommodate that shitty saber OC disgusts me to no end. Otakucks eat it up, and the designer for Nero has turbo autism about how her OC is the best totally-original-do-not-steal around.

even if Adolf was summoned wouldn't he be complete garbage? from my understanding, one of the few consistent things written in the lore is the older something is the better. I mean, edison is said to actually be a pretty good servant, but because he's so new, what would normally be ex or a rank stats are reduced heavily. With the exception of Emiya, I can't imagine how shit a servant born after that would be.

Hitler would probably work like Oda Nobunaga or Angry Manjew.
It would have the most retarded levels of "Innocent Demon" of this age, a fuckload of Charisma, and Vlad III levels of "Defender of the State".
If he gets summoned as a Lancer, it would have the Spear of Longinus, and if he gets summoned as a Caster, he would be able to give any country the levels of development that Germany had during WWII (Territory Creation and whatnot).
I'd like to see his Noble Phantasm. Something like Ionian Hetairoi, but with tanks.

I would say Blitzkrieg, but that's pushing my luck since it really wasn't his idea. It really depends on what background they give him. If they went with the bluepilled normalfag direction, he'd get "Gas Chamber" or something like that. If they went with the esoteric hitlerism route, it would be something like unleashing the cold winds of Hyperborea.

I think the "older is better" thing is based on two things.
1) In the case of Medea caster, she has access to magic that only existed in her time and has since been forgotten. This magic is insanely strong but there isn't really anything stopping modern mages from using it other than weak bloodlines and lack of knowledge.
2) Time allows a legend to grow and a big part of servants is they are much stronger if they are legendary/known by more people and cultures. Though with Emiya in the mix that may be irrelevant because you should theoretically always be pulling a servant from their apex of fame, even if its future fame.

At last I truly see.


Have fun wasting time in a thread you don't like, at least we've moved to the point where everything is just like your opinion man.


Correct. Just look at Mata Hari for the best example of a shit modern servant. Mata Hari has no combat ability against any other heroic and can't actually kill a servant. Okay at killing a Master though I guess.

Emiya is a counter guardian, they follow slightly different rules. Plus, Emiya really isn't so great in a stand-up fight, he's lost to Cu every single time, he is scared shitless of fighting Saber, and he can hardly scratch Hercules even with Caladbolg. It's his wacky timeline knowledge and craftiness that gets him any real success, plus that fancy reality marble of his is very versatile and only improves as he fights.

No, i am calling YOU a sperg. I enjoy turkeyhandle, F/SN, F/Z, MB, and CF. This IS a nasuverse thread, right, so doesnt that count turkeyhandle or MB? Or is this an explicit Fate GO thread veiled as nasuverse?
Pls tell me you at least agree that Nero is trash.

My point regarding Emiya is more the fact that he was pulled from the future at all which should technically mean that newer servants shouldn't be bad because you should always be pulling them from the future where they are now old legends.
Though I don't even know what a counter guardian is so I guess I don't know what the fuck I'm talking about.

Tamamo best extra

The reason older is better is because the closer to the age of the gods you were generally the more badass things you accomplished. About Magic specifically, until Solomon codified modern magecraft only those with a connection to the gods could actually use it at all. In order to compare to an ancient Caster you'd have to have a deep connection to gods who all retreated to "the other side of the world". Thus new mages usually can't. The only one's who would be really comparable are people like Kaleidoscope fag whose name escapes me who was able to achieve true Magic.

Counter-guardians are different though because EMIYA shouldn't be as strong as EMIYA is, he got super juiced by the Throne but sold his soul in the process. He made a Faustian bargain basically.


Nero is great, Arturia is just a Nero knockoff. In fact Fate/Extra is just a better universe overall.

Oh and a disclaimer.
This was sarcasm.

"Extra was a mistake"
-goodko Nasu, after the umpteenth fate extra spinoff trash got bought up by otakus
So this IS a Fate GO thread?
Nero is a literal Mary Sue, penned and designed by some autistic fujoshit who only wants to make ebin OC donut steele characters.

What do you expect, when fate/go is the most current source of fate content? Think about the sheer amount of servants, lore, powerlevel funposting, and character development it provides. In any case, there is no grand conspiracy behind these threads. I finished watching the new fate/apo after rereading S/N and HA, so I decided to start the threads up again. That powerlevel autists bump the thread to 300 posts every week and remake it shouldn't really be a surprise when it comes to fate either; see pic related.

What's exactly wrong with Tohsaka's Anus anyway?

holy shit dude, calm the fuck down. also, while red seiba isn't my favorite, I agree with Assassin X. They ALL have to go.

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there is a beak in the middle of it

I'm cool as a cucumber, lad. That user can eat garbage and call it fine cuisine. It doesn't bother me if he enjoys eating trash, because I'm not the one eating it. But, if he wants to get into objective viewpoints about how extra is better than SN, then he is setting himself up for a big ol' mess o' spaghetti in the thread.
Every. Last. One.

Extra is better than Stay Night. Worm girl doesn't appeal to me in any way.

this tbqfh

DO NOT SEXUALIZE THE TIGER!

TAIGA IS PURE!


(X) DOUBT

Bait, but Imma answer anyhow.
Nah, in the first encounter EMIYA was pushing Lancer back so hard Lancer got butthurt and went, "Y-yeah, well come at me, bro!" and tried to use Gae Bolg even going against his command seal. The second time, Lancer got played so fucking hard he had to sit down for 15 minutes on the grass and sulk.

In terms of writing and waifus, i'd agree with you, but the rock paper scissors can be frustrating when you are having trouble getting the patterns on a strong enemy down and they just steam roll you.

In Extra, some of the empty slots are "visible" to the enemy, so they automatically counter you. Use a cheap attack skill to stop them altogether on those slots.

UBW has him lose the church fight HARD to Cu, and even in the FGO OVA he loses to Cu as a Caster. When Saber charges at him and Rin he's advising they retreat pretty empathetically. The bit with Caladbolg couldn't have him revive without running into issues later on when Gil makes him burn through his remaining lives. Not saying he wasn't a threat to him, but he wasn't going to solo him any time soon.

Extra is a bit different because at that point, not only has he seen way more swords at that time in his life, making his arsenal bigger, but the moon cell changes how he traces shit, making him capable of tracing excalibur now. The power ceiling was raised, and he's still weaker than Nero unless he sets up all his skills perfectly. Extella is a musou, and he's a side story, so that doesn't count 100%, it also has Karna get his ass kicked like 10 times but win every match in his own story. That's the way the games work.

That would explain a lot of those servant fights. The mobs are usually okay once you get the basic pattern, but sometimes one of those big fuckers will wipe you with a surprise pattern shift.

Still love that game, it has a nice charm to it.

Nope. Cu is fucking seething but won't do shit, because as a hero he is defined by the concept of pride. Cu Chulainn was someone who could have wrecked every-fucking-body in his legend, had he just ignored his geis and cast aside his pride. So when Archer blocks his greatest blow, the strongest blow which he has the most pride in, Archer essentially won the argument about whether or not pride matters to a hero.
EMIYA played Cu like a damn fiddle, with the only hickup in his plan being that Gae Bolg still almost killed him, surpassing even Gungnir which as the original should be more powerful.
I checked

Gotta admit, that bit with saber and archer was probably me being confused. I've been walking my buddy through the series since he autistically refuses to read the fucking VN, so i've watched the Deen anime, Zero, UBW show and movie versions, and the Grand Order OVA and Apocrypha, with a new playthrough on Extra in my spare time so shit is kinda scrambled around. I totally got shit wrong in there, my bad. there's an abriged?

Speaking of which, I can't even remember if they showed Rins friends in the UBW movie anymore. Fuck, I need to re-read FSN and chill.

Yeah. It's kinda bad, as per usual. But does have some decent moments, like Lancer's and Archer's first exchange.

But essentially, Lancer is way stronger than EMIYA, but because EMIYA is just the type of guy Lancer can't deal with at all, he keeps fucking up and not managing to win. The First Order OVA was Cu's first definite victory, but at the same time EMIYA did have him at the ropes for a moment. Still, my favorite Servants, both of them.

Nah, they skipped the first three days entirely. Hell, I checked if they even showed Shirou using the first command seal, but it jumps from Saber's summoning to the church scene, so that's a no.

I always read "EMIYA can't" as when we see UBW for the first time and EMIYA says "I can project a convincing fake but I'll die in the process" which is an automatic game over in any grail war. The only time either of them were successful was when Shirou uses it on the grail and immediately died afterwards.
He wasn't even supposed to there either, Nasu got fucked over by the animators who gave him an animation projecting Excalibur and Nasu just says "as long as it's weaker it's fine" and wrote it in to the story post fact.

Nasu's a liar though, and Shirou still both thinks he can and does project it. I didn't even mention Extra, but if we're mentioning other works then lol-Kaleid goes as well.

Goddamnit, Nasu.

Fun fact regarding Extra/CCC:
Essentially, Archer got nerfed to do almost half-damage for double the cost in CCC.

While granted he will pull shit out of his ass if word of god can be dismissed as "he lied" to avoid things that hurt your point I don't think this can go anywhere useful. Though the rule for why he shouldn't be able seems to have been extended into "EMIYA can't project divine constructs" nowadays.
And immediately dies afterwards. Again, in Stay Night, the way EMIYA stated it was "I can make a convincing fake but die in the process" so Shirou and EMIYA can project it, as in, it is possible. Except they'll die in the process. It's like if Arash were to say "I can't use my NP" technically, he can, he'll just die afterwards, which is really bad.
Not written by Nasu, and the creator doesn't even have a good explanation.

Also weren't you the one posting about "fakes can't surpass originals" and then pointing to Kaleid Liner as proof which shits all over that rule for today?

He's blatantly gone out of his way to fuck with everyone who tries to seriously ask him questions about the setting. Read some of the Q&A, often he just side-steps the question and rambles on about other things. He even admits to being a liar("I am an alien from the planet liar. I need to lie at least once a day, or I will die.") in interviews as well. It's hardly me pulling anything, when he says it himself.

Moreover, like I said earlier: Shirou still acknowledges that he can use it while having loosened the restraints on the arm and going balls deep into EMIYA-mode.
Well sure, but that's a matter of energy supply, not of the creation or operation of the sword.

And I mentioned Kaleid specifically because it does the same shit. Claim one thing but do another.


I will neither confirm nor deny.
How so?

Well sure, but that's a matter of energy supply, not of the creation or operation of the sword.
Again EMIYA says himself he could do it but it would kill him. The only time it worked, it killed him. This the same way that EMIYA would die in the same situation.
Fate/kaleid liner PRISMA☆ILLYA 3rei Volume 2, p.123 - Archer

Right, but at time EMIYA was without a Master, had just gone through a fight with Cu, pulled a Rho Aias and then BP'd it to resist Gae Bolg, healed up which always requires a lot of energy and then killed Kuzuki and Caster, followed by a full scale UBW.

That's like saying "You couldn't run a marathon after going through 10 rounds in a boxing ring" or something.
I took a look at the original text(オリジナルを上まわる出 力までも引き出した。) but it doesn't really in my mind say that the sword's output itself is higher, rather that the output simply was higher. So I'd say it simply came down to the user having superior magical energy. Saber is pretty stronk, energy-wise. But Illya had no problems supporting a Berserker Heracles even without the Holy Grail being active; she's got effectively infinite energy stores.

It kind of even reflects that in the fight; Illya won by outlasting Saber Alter after a several second long beamspam.

Also, the VN never said you couldn't beat an original with a fake. :^)

Actually on second thought, that might have been due to her being the lesser grail. Those operations were never done in Kaleid, iirc. So she might not have that high an output, but was still probably higher than Saber Alter's who had just gone through beating down everyone and everything aside from Illya.

What did he mean by this?

Anyone rolled Drake?

FFS, it's the "Empire upon which the Sun never sets".

Also, Drake is hot-as-fuck oneesan. I just wanna motorboat dem tiddies.


Tried, got David & Hektor plus the healing CE and two Magdalena CE.

I did a 10 draw and got David as well as the new 5* and 4* craft essences. This 4* one, the one that provides a 25% atk and def boost for 3 turns upon starting battle, how good is it? Can I swap out using a code cast to refresh the effect?

Besides that post more

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No refreshing iirc, but it's decent in the back row on a back up Servant for clutch victories since it is a pretty good boost.

David should be good, though. I think we get one at the end of Okeanos as well, so immediate NP up, there.

Shit, son. Right then. Astolfo it is.

I didn't think anyone took Fate/kaleid seriously here.
Actually, I'm surprised it's mentioned at all.

I finished the animu yesterday and I'm starting the mango now.
I thought it would be irredeemable trash, but it turned out to be very fun.
Prism Illya as a character is a severe downgrade from the original, but I guess it's fine.

What do you fags think?

It's essentially a doujin that managed to become its own thing. It doesn't have any of the themes or character depth which the previous works had, but it has lolipoon.

6/10 it's okay, mostly use it to mess with people. Legit might buy the upcoming movie if the rumors about extended fight scenes are real.
Like pottery.

My dick needs to calm the fuck down

It's been out for a month now.

Well, I don't exactly live in Japan so that hardly means much.

I see. What about Another Ending? I can't really see a good way to use this thing.

Got an EMIYA?

Well, any Arts-type Servant that can crit will make good use of it. Robin can use it to great effect, too. But once EMIYA gets Hawkeye and he gets to do an Arts brave chain with 3x100% crits, that CE will be pretty crazy. I would love to have one, but at least I got my fifth Projection so now it's at max limit break.

You can get David and Hektor from friend point summon though. You also get a welfare David for completing Okeanos.

Most people don't because it shits all over established rules.

I've been meaning to ask for a while but is Shimakaze actually a trap? I always see them portrayed that way

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Should I write more?

In universe she isn't it's just really popular in porn to make her a trap.

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Fair enough. I always saw it as a simple, goofy spin off with dangerous lolis and pantsu shots, but that's just me I guess.

I'm not saying it's bad but it's a magical girl series that just happens to have Fate elements in it. So people who like magical girls are more likely to like it rather then Fatefags who are usually there for (not so loli) waifus and maybe just a touch more serious tone.

Yes

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Are you trying to argue that at any point Thor was a demi-god?
Also Alcides and Heracles are both referring to the same demi-guy user, when Heracles died and became a god his name didn't change to Alcides, it stayed Heracles. in fact he was never referred to as Alcides ever again after his childhood when his adoptive parents found out how much Hera hated him.

Well, going by the last chapters of Prisma, they've been kind of hinting that it's not actually Thor iirc.
So that's Heracles Lily, beating Gil's ass? Kewl.

I had planned on arguing using the line about how he's lost his divinity in the Mind's Eye(True) section, but it just says "god given". Checked japanese, too and says same. Remembered wrong and now I don't have an argument. Fug.

Actually, that was a very skillful distraction by you. I ,as a matter of fact, didn't say that. I pointed out you said that you couldn't summon divine entities and used Alcides to differentiate from Heracles as Heracles is noted to have ascended to Mt. Olympus and become a full on divine spirit. Similarly, Medusa is also a former full on Goddess as is Chiron, so clearly some level of divinity is possible even under the strictest sense.

And like I mentioned, it's been hinted that it's not actually Thor. It might be the Jotun who stole Thor's shit or something, actually.

Illya is, was and always will be best waifu.

I SHED THE BLOOD OF THE SAXON MEN

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I'll be with her one day.

Let's tale this one step at a time.
Alcides is Heracles name by birth, when he was a child his parents found out the Hera hated his guts, which is why they changed his name to Heracles, greek for "glory of Hera" because Hera hated the motherfucker so much. For example, she drove him insane to the point where he murdered his wife and children at one point. Which is why he had to do the 12 labors for redemption, moving onward.
When you summon Heracles as a Bersker, you are summoning the demi-god in life, rather then the god who ascended afterwards. His rank A divinity is a trait given because he was so divine he became a god after death, but the servant Heracles is not the god Heracles, at least in Fate.
Lazy writing on Nasu part, but this would be accurate to mythology as legend conflicts on points, for instance the Odyssey has Odysseus be greeted by Heracles in the Underworld at one point. Meanwhile other sources confirm him as a member of the Pantheon.
Alcides in Fate is Heracles Alter, Alcides completely denies his divinity and his wish for the holy grail is that the existence and name Heracles be completely removed from the world. Because Alcides denies his divinity, he loses Heracles Mind's Eye (False), which is a skill not earned by training, but by divine blessing or other unnatural means, he then gains Mind's Eye (True) which is the basically the same skill but on the level that a human could attain without intervention. In addition, when summoned as Alcides, he loses godhand, and instead, is granted a NP for each of the 12 labors instead. For instance the shroud on his head is the skin of the Nemean Lion he strangled to death, and blocks any damage from man-made sources.

You compared Thor to Heracles which is strange because you can't compare someone who has always been a god to summon who was elevated to a god after death.

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Ask someone who's already finished Okeanos anything

How much are you paid to post shill-kun?

Epic meme my friend

if you get a duplicate copy of a 4 or 5 servant isnt it better to raise their bond so you get saint quartz back out of them then feed them to upgrade np

All copies of a Servant you get share the same Bond Level.

Any more lewd trap posts?

I will never not be mad and I don't even like loli. Heaven's Feel was only bearable to me when I thought of it as Illya and Kotomine's route.

So essentially, gods are summonable under the Fuyuki system depending on circumstance. Like hey, being not-Thor.

Gods/divine spirits shouldn't be summonable period. You can summon a human that became a god by summoning the human. You can not summon him in a state when he was a god. You can summon a human reincarnation of a god. (See Rama) but not at a point in time when he was a god. I don't believe there was any point in time where Thor reincarnates, was a demi-god, or something else that would make him have a temporary mortal frame to summon.

And yet we have Medusa who shows that mixing in monstorsity will allow a divine spirit to be summoned just fine. And hey, would you look at that, thus we can surmise that probably:
a) Not Thor.
b) Monstrous nature => Divine Spirit is possible to summon.

Either way, still fine.

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As for it being Not-Thor, I suppose that's possible. Is there any significant individuals in Nordic mythology that stole his stuff for a bit and were famous before or after?

kys

So I got Anne and Mary from my 10 roll, I really want a crit gen for my Lancelot on my Crit team, Should I go with her as the better crit gen or should I stick with Atalanta since Mary may hog all the stars?

How can ANYONE be hype for this shit?

Well, there was the incident where Thor's hammer got stolen and they had to sneak into the Jotun's place and then got trolled hard in a bunch of competitions. I'm guessing due to the weird arm it's a jotun.

It's Aron Headbutt's video. I just steal his memes.

They've got 200 star absorb and will surely mess with your plans, especially if you want a Lancelot to be using all those stars. Especially since they've only got two Quick cards with two hits each. Crit star generating skills are also pretty bad, generally. Better off just going with a skill which flat out gives stars, and the rest of her skills are pretty selfish, too.

At the moment, the best critgenerators are Gil and Hassan. Though Gil tends to die pretty quickly—it feels like he has some kind of hidden taunt stat, since he pretty much always dies first on my team—and needs a brave chain to do his best, while Hassan hits like a wet paper bag unless you use his Crit damage boost skill on a crit brave chain. Still a fun team to use, though.

EMIYA can also burst generate with UBW, but you need to really set that one up, so better to just wait for Hawkeyes easymode for that.

Shame, I'm lucky enough to have the 4 stars that I have and sadly no 5 stars either. I've been using Atalanta as a Gen but like you said she also has the problem of hitting like a wet noodle. I have no faith of getting Jack or Okita in the future with my luck, but maybe Bonny can serve as a stand in for big boss battles especially since I have Black Grail.

Well, try for Hassan; he's a three star and is in the FP-pool. He's supposedly a bit rare, but I already have him NP5 so getting one shouldn't be that hard.

Plus, his Protection from Wind is one of the legit best dodges in the game and synergizes with his role as a critical engine quite well. The only reason Jack overshadows him is because she just has more hits in her Quick card.

But if nothing else, once Atalanta gets her strengthening quest she becomes a pretty good support Quick.

I have him at np 5 already, just need to level him up. I ended up using a lot of mats on Kojiro because at the time Swallow was (and still is pretty great).

If that's really the only reason Jack's better though, then yeah, all my mats are going to him from now on

Jack has 0.3% better stargen, but comparatively she has a one round 50% Quick performance up for more stars, while Hassan has 50% Stargen for 3 rounds. Both have Presence Concealment A+ and three Quick cards and a Quick NP.

Jack's NP has 4 hits to Hassan's 1, but neither is really a great star generator. So basically it boils down to her having 5 hits to his 3, plus her 4 to his 3 hits, in Quick and Extra respectively. But since hit count is what matters, the difference is considerable. Still, Throwing(Dagger) gives you a few stars when you need them and it has a relatively short cooldown so he's decent enough while having better survivability.

For a crit generator hit count is everything. The formula that determines how many stars drop is per a hit not per a command card. In addition Hassan can only increase his crit star drop rate with his third skill by 30% while Jack can increase her quick card star generation rate, NP gauge rate, and damage by 50%. This is especially good when paired with her NP which means she can give herself a 50% damage boost to it. Since she's also the support in this scenario she also has a heal she can throw on other people to keep them alive while Hassan only keeps himself alive. There's also the fact Jack gits much harder then Hassan does.

Oh shit, right you are. That said, good luck getting a Jack, brah.

Anyone knows if there are any Extra manga scans? Kind of weird that the guy scanlating gave up and no one else took over from chapter 12

So now that we have Okeanos, how long should it be till we get the next set? I want to know if there will be any time to save up quartz again, or should I take a shot at Drake?

By "set," do you mean Singularity?
London will probably be in December.

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Where?

Also, finally a spot to grind snake gems. Need them for my Gil.

This is amazing but were other interludes before this retroactively changed and I have now missed out by doing them so quickly? Because that would make me angry.

twin current sea. sea of freedom. okeanos has a higher drop rate then the Friday daily making it 100% pointless except for scale and hearts

Gaul had a higher drop rate then Monster hunt that isn't really an accomplishment
Intermediate still has the best Chimera claw drop rate by half as well

Why bother with Gilgamesh? I have several accounts, and the one with Waver, Gilgamesh and Altera is my least favorite. I much prefer my Waver NP3 and Jeanne account or my Arturia, Waver and Jeanne account. Gilgamesh just feels so underwhelming every time I use his impressive looking wet paper bag noble phantasm. It completely ruins him for me.

Do you have a crit team supporting said Gilgamesh? Also, are you using that NP on servants or just trash mobs? Gilgamesh has one of the worst NPs for trash mobs but it's great against general servant.

Oh and I forgot to mention Gilgamesh is missing the Interlude where he gets his third skill to give an NP charge from Collector, as well as an interlude to power up his NP by another 100%

put him next to hassan and you'll be drowning in stars. Also, is it just me or does rolling singles get you better results than a 10 star roll?

I get that his NP is better against servants but it just feels so underwhelming considering who he is. I want the np of a character that's considered op to be impressive, not just tolerable. Something along the lines of what Okita or Jeanne Alter can do. It bugs the hell out of me when I prefer a low tier servant like Seiba in general usage over the king of heroes.

Fate go/Natsuverse thread.
I don't know about you guys but I'm enjoying the pirate story more than any of the earlier arcs. Badass God slaying Drake has been a lot more fun to listen to than the Jean D Arc or Nero, and I like not knowing where the arc is going and being unable to see the whole map at first. Deviating from the past formula has improved this arc…

Statistically unsound, the one drop that guarantees something 4 or higher changes a 1% chance for 5 star servant into 5%, and a Four Star servants 3% into 15%.
Of course this may still feel underwhelming because getting any level of CE is the other 80%.

For what purpose?

Okeanos was pretty good, far better than the giant mess that Septem was. Remember to hug and ascend your brozerker Asterios to reward him for being a good boy.

Medea made Jason out to be a huge dick in HA, and in Okeanos you can fucking see why. You want to punch that guy in the face far more than Blackbeard. Makes you wonder how Perseus really is like because Medusa described him as a successful Shinji in HA.

It's pretty neat, isn't it? I wish NA had an interlude that gave me gears to finally ascend EMIYA and REGEND it sucks having missed Nerofast. Apparently Medea's gives you free gears but you gotta wait until London for them.

I like him and have seen the videos of him manhandling bosses singlehandedly, but I think it would be more useful for me to ascend my Cu Lancer. I think those videos of one man army Asterios are niche cases, and Lancer Cu could probably do the same thing if you maxed his skills and ascended him the way they do with asteroid, and he would probably do more dmg to boot.

Also, Emiya'a NP animation takes forever and he is reliant on it for damage. He's frustratingly long to use on mobs or servsnts, I never like using him for mobs, and I wish I could trade him to you for Hercalues or some other 4 star.

You know Cu is heavily slanted into health right? His damage output is his worst feature. Also, Asterious can tank anything in the game with the right set up while Cu gets absolutely shit on by anything that pierces his dodge.
This explains a lot of your post.

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Asterios aka 0 FUCKING DMG

100th ANNIVERSARY and its just some useless crap

Honestly when I started I found grinding mobs boring, and didn't think I was going to get into it, thought I would play 3-4 hours and quit. Got some 3 stars I liked enough to keep going, and wasn't impressed with the design of the original 5 stars the whales owned, other than knowing they had higher stats. Only now am I'm getting to nearer to the point where stats matter, and having a 5 star will eventually be semi-mandatory.

But I have too much on my account already to be added to start again, grind througg the tutoeials and boost my summoner level for a measly 30 quartz starting roll. You people who have time for grinding multiple accounts/re-rolls must lead very boring lives.

Were you expecting 2 year anniversary shit like a free 4 star?

I agree with this post. I have Jeanne/Vlad for 5 stars, and Martha/EMIYA/Both Elizabeths/Salter/Atalanta for 4 stars and it feels like it would be a waste to reroll now.

What's all this shit about rerolling? I just bought an account on ebay.

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Is Bonny Anne a centaur holy shit what is wrong with her proportions?

Son of a bitch

The anime looks like shit and inserts even more loli fanservice than the mango has.
The mango is very well drawn and also contains the best version of my man Shirou.

So this is the version of Shirou that Angry Manjew based his human form on? Damn, no wonder he's such a bro in Grand Order.

Does Angry Jewman not use his human form from H/A?

Reminder that Shirou got mindbroken into being Miyu's brother.

It's more like Miyu Shirou resembles Angry Man Jew's form. I wouldn't know why because I haven't read Fate/kaleid.

He's still bro tier as fuck in Hollow Ataraxia once you go past his laughably edgy rantings. You could say he resembles Shirou somewhat in HA because he's pretending to live an everyday life as him, but that'd be quite the stretch I think

There's also the Archer card when it was acting up on its own. Though it was never shown beyond just a mention of "Bazett killed it". I have literally no idea what this design is supposed to be based, in the story itself, since it is pretty obviously based on Angra but there's no real connection with EMIYA and Angra which would explain it.

You could argue that Angra's form is based on Shirou, since FHA is where it was shown and Angra is Nothingness/Hollow, but then it still just raises the question of why does Shirou have the the headband+waist towel form?

Is he kill?

Finally 3rd ascended my Ushi. Now I have to farm for more horseshoes for Asterios and Lu Bu. After that I gotta grind some seeds for Robin and Martha, then some dragon teeth for Medea. And then some serpent jewels for Medusa.

The grind is fucking real.

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I regret 4th ascending Ushi. That 4th art is total trash.

H'wites win again, checkmate shitskins!

That was a joke.

But Ushi isn't for lewd user, Ushi is for headpats and praising. Besides, Hassou Tobi hits like a fucking truck so it's a nice investment.

I don't care, I just want to fuck Astolfo.

Praise Jesus

You realize he has a dick, right?

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how exactly do they change? and apparently when JP got the fixed daily quest something was still wrong with the drop rates and it had to be patched again so which version are we getting? the first or the second?

What's your fucking point?

Fixed as in you know what you're getting into. The original dailies were RNG on top of RNG because not only did you have to hope that the item would drop, but in the case of duels, that the servant at the end was the right class (33% vs 25% chance respectively). Even if the drop rate is fucked the format is better than the current one.

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Where can I sell my NA account with all of these saint gems?

I mean it has to be worth at least the amount whales spend for that many gems right? Plus all the grinding, champs, and 30 summoning tickets I have collected.

It isn't you dumbass, it's worth very little because the type of people who buy accounts don't buy them to get lots of quartz, they buy accounts that already have the servant they want (Gilgamesh, Arturia etc) If you actually rolled something worthwhile with said quartz, you can then sell your account to other people. There's already an established market for this.

ebay.com/i/222663170650?chn=ps&dispItem=1
Have an example.

Does eBay work? I haven't sold anything there because I was afraid obvious scammers with no prior transactions on record would demand a refund, and get it from ebay after I had already given the code.

Why would you plebs even read this shit? Tsukihime is the superior Nasuverse VN. Shiki can kill servants. Kohaku is mai waifu

This has been an established fact ever since the other Shiki became a servant.

Shirou can kill servants.

This is wrong Shirou. How many times do I have to tell you, if you fight a servant you'll be cut down

Albino Len can kill servants.

How the hell is this possible? Must be a scam…

Well she is not the only one.

Remake never.

SPIRIT AND TECHNIQUE, FLAWLESS AND FIRM

Hey did we just get the new Japanese dailies? The tuesday lancer quest changed today

Yes, it's part of the 100th day anniversary, and my god the drop rate is fucking great on these dailies.

So did being summoned by the Moon Cell give Arturia a massive buff or something? I just finished her side story today and Gilgamesh/Iskandar didn't even register as threats. Does she have some kind of psuedo-regalia or is Excalibur getting stronger in Altera's presence?

If you play as Altera she shits all over Arturia likes she's nothing and Arturia is surprised at "the strength of the galaxy" after allegedly killing white titan Sephyr at some point.

Well yes, but you'd think that in the story scene before the fight Arturia would say something about fighting Gil again at the least.
Idk I guess I just like the idea Excalibur gets stronger when facing planetary threats given one of its names is "Sword that protects the planet"

I feel stupid for grinding to upgrade my other characters now. You have no idea how much pain it was to max ascend my berskerers.

If you got scales, claws or hearts from that grinding then congratulations; they're still a huge pain in the ass to get outside of some event shops, at least for a long while until the latter singularities. At least pieces and monuments drop like candy now, and grinding for those can net you ascension materials as well.

In Archer's side-story he effortlessly wrecks Rider, Jeanne, Iskander, Gil and Artoria. It's just a possible side-route, not the most likely end-result.

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Yeah I died twice already to the new dailies even after using my command spells to give me mp's.

I can't just click whatever anymore, and I have to actually use the right team to win now. High attack high leveled teams, preferably that can evade or boost defense are needed now to survive the Berserkers.

And thats how I got a gold monument and red n gold gems

What are some champions that are unusually good to grail? I heard grailed Cu is great late game, he's a tank.

Will only get if aside from Astolfo there's Shuten Douji.

I could've gotten a Nero if I had gotten tickets a few days earlier, dammit.
At least George won't be lonely anymore and I needed some more sabers. The George/Sieg combo is real after buffs so I'll put some effort into levelling him

Sieg is the meme guy, thought he was useless after you finish 2nd singularity.

Wait, there were kancolle threads here? It would have been fun to discuss events.

Kancolle at least you're not forced to make pulls to have a decent team. Granted you need to grind and dedicate a lot of time but the only payment you do is for space

Gilgamesh and Cu cleaned up afterwards, it's just my first time being one shot on this game.

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Cu is pretty good, as his biggest weakness has always been that he's a fucking three star. He should have been a four star, really.

Heracles is top-tier choice, due to his outstanding skills and his bond CE. Avoid Casters, Assassins and Archers, since they have that annoying negative damage modifier; they don't get as much out of those stats as others do. Berserkers and Avengers make the most out of each grail iirc.
Still going to grail my EMIYA to 100, fuck the police. Just put them on your favorite.

Episode 13 is up
nyaa.si/download/964633.torrent

just avoid casters in general, they're overall the worst class. I swear to god.

I love this new system.

Though I dunno how much you'd want to grail one of them, I suppose. Hans, maybe just to buff him up but with a 2030 he should be pretty good even without grails.

How long have you idiots been on the internet? Ebay is anything but a scam, and paypal has it set up so that buyers can give sellers the middle finger.

he works for a very specific team in which case you'd have someone who probably wants a grail more than a 2 star caster

His NP is flaky yeah, but his critbuff is quite nice. But yeah, I don't see any real reason to give him a grail; he's so cheap and easy to ascend you might as well just have two Hans on your team.

You can't have two of the same servant on your team unless you're using a support Hans.

Really? Well that's gay.

To be fair, if you could field duplicate servants it would straight up break the game in half. For example if you had two Hercules and got their craft essence that grants 3 revivals along with a support Hercules equipped with the same, you'd have a front row that never dies while being effective against everything. There has to be some limits.

To go even further, some event challenges forbid having two versions of a servant whatsoever, even if one's a support, like the latest Japanese Nerofest.

Guys I hate Shirou and I want to like him. I've read UBW and Fate but I still don't like him. I also don't like regular Shirou but I want to like him too. If there are any Emiyafags that can convince me to like him as a character then I would appreciate it.

Non-zerker Hercules when?

Well, there's Alcides but he has his own problems.

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Man, having played with Artoria for a while now, I'm beginning to understand why she's not all that strong. They really fucked up with the early Servants. But with a little bit of tweaking, it could be pretty good.

If they took the Skill descriptions into considerations a little bit more, then they could have been a lot better. But since they just used "top tier" skills as basic effects, they kind of screwed the pooch there.

Referring to Clairvoyance, here.

I love these new dailies. I need a fuckton of claws for Proto Cu and Martha, though.

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Meant for

I forgot to mention that both X and X Alter are limited servants. That's right, only Saberfaces to be made better then they were at release were incredibly hard to acquire 5 stars.

That does make a depressing amount of sense.

I just like her with a kaleidoscope for farming the dailies.

This. Even fox girl has some lame skills, no damage, and just supports. She doesn't even have an evade, and a 10 percent damage reduction skill is nothing, so I know she will die in a boss fight.

At least i got Euryale and Emiya as well.
Also, is there a better place to farm Octuplet Crystals now that Okeanos is out?

Once he gets his bond CE he has 4 Gutses to use, this means he can take a lot of damage, which allows him to quite reliably build NP.

Monuments areny a problem for me but most of my characters' skills need an insane those nuts/seeds now. They don't drop much.

I 100%
What a faggot.

You're a fag for not liking UBW Shirou just a little, but HF Shirou is the one that everyone actually talks about. Just like nobody gives a shit about Fate/UBW Kotomine.

UBW > HF.

HF has the most unpopular waifu for any route but that doesn't stop it from being the best story-wise.

I want the secondaries to leave.

Nah. I could complain about the railed deaths of half the cast, or the complete left-field appearance of Zouken or how what a huge Mary Sue Sakura is, but what it boils down to is that it's themes are a mess.

Thematically it's all over the place; Shirou has to confront his mistakes and carry the burden of Sakura's deeds, but he gets a happy ending anyway? Nasu literally admits his chickened out when he wrote the True End and it then lead to him caving in and writing fucking Last Episode.

Heaven's Feel was definitely a mistake.

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Are you sure you read the instructions properly?

Come on now.

You're free to do one yourself if you don't believe it.

What's the site you used?

Shit, good question. I remember shitposting with that pic back in 4chan, so I'm not even sure if the site still exists. Mary Sue score or something.

Sakura isn't even the worst offender.

It was probably this:
springhole.net/writing/marysue.htm
But since then it's been modified, I don't know how much.

You mean the Servants who were going to die no matter what? The HF death count is almost exactly the same as every other route.

That's literally not even the theme. HF is about Shirou accepting that his father's ideal is not his own, and that it's been blinding him from protecting the people he was closest to. He rejects the dumbass idea of being a "hero to protect everyone" and focuses on protecting the people closest to him.* More than that, it's about him accepting his own path and his own humanity, as well as his own brokenness. That's why the ending battle is so different - instead of the shounen-esque scene of hero against villain from the end of Fate, it's two dying men beating the shit out of each other to see who gives out first, in what is easily the best scene in the whole VN. Why should he not get a happy ending? Because of edgefaggory? Fuck off.

Zouken's appearance is hardly out of field either - hell, none of it is. Fate and UBW leave a lot of shit unanswered - what's the Matou grandfather like? How did Shinji get that damn book? Why is the Grail corrupted? And so forth. HF is it's own story, yes, but it's supposed to be read after Fate and UBW for a damn good reason. In a VN, the story is continuous, even if there's multiple routes.

* I should note here two things:
1. For anyone who actually was paying fucking attention to the earlier routes, this is hinted at as early as Caster taking Taiga in UBW. When someone like Taiga is on the line, Shirou does not give a shit about Seigi No Mikata bullshit. The problem is, he's never really forced to confront it earlier on, and so carries on with being an autistic shit.

2. Sakura might be the one that gets the central focus, but HF is most certainly the route where Shirou actually starts paying attention to people. He comes to understand Illya and Kotomine, and even his understanding of Rin - along with the audience's - is better by the end of HF than it was by the end of her own fucking route.

Was it ever stated that Sakura's adoptive parents/family was dead other than Shinji? The most troubling part I had with the prologue is why the fuck Shinji's parents or whatever are ignoring the fact he beat her and has apparently done it in the past.
Certainly Medea getting obliterated in Fate was more deep, along with Fake Assassin being obliterated off screen. Or that time Medusa died after doing one thing in UBW. Gilgamesh dying to Sakura is probably the closest to being anything to complain about because it jobs Gil hard but Gil lost to Shirou so I have to question a lot of things about him at this point.
Yes, he confronts his mistakes and carry Sakura's burden, all while he's feeling like a gigantic piece of shit for abandoning his ideal. Yet he's still fighting as hard as he fucking can. HF is great because it's Shirou actually realizes that he is an idiot and can't have it both ways. While being mentally tortured by himself he still manages to get shit done and realizes he doesn't need to be a suicidal justicefag to be happy, and maybe he can have something he wants for once.
[citation needed]
Also the amount of things that only HF explains

I'm going to say this test must have changed completely because a lot of these questions don't even apply because of it being a Fanfiction or table top RPG character. I'll try Saber next.

Ironically enough, since Rider survives HF is at the top in terms of survivals. But no, it's a matter of meaningless deaths; Servants being simply fed into the grinder to get rid of them while at the same time introducing new characters.
Blatantly false; it's the culmination of everything Shirou felt and believed as he survived the fire. It's not just something that he arbitrarily settled on, it's the very thing that kept him alive as a person.
Those two were never mutually exclusive for Emiya Shirou. Hell, in both Fate and in UBW he explicitly says he would put those he cares for before his ideals. See first pic for UBW, see the scene before they go off to fight Gil and Kotomine for Fate.
Hell, Shirou will literally ignore the player's choices in UBW when you tell him to ignore Rin in danger. Mind of Steel is one thing, Shirou at his base is something completely different. Hell, that difference in and of itself is proof that Shirou's ideals are different from Kiritsugu's; even as EMIYA he hesitates to hurt those he cared for. Even in UBW, when Archer is setting up Rin for rape that is only a device for him to get Saber to GTFO so he can fight Shirou without interference. Even when he hopes to be retconned from existence he will not harm those he cares for, despite waxing on and on about how immature and naive Shirou is.
I will say that it's good, but it's also the most contrived. Whether or not Illya swoops in to save Shirou literally depends on a choice he makes during that fight. HF Normal is brilliant; it's the strongest scene in the whole novel bar none, but you can see how weak the True Ending is because whether or not Shirou chooses to destroy the grail will cause Illya to appear or not appear entirely arbitrarily.
Do you even Japanese literature? Hell, Asian literature? They don't do happy endings for the most part; Nasu even admits that he caved in and changed the ending which shows.
To my knowledge, the earliest mention is in UBW when Shinji and Gil are in the basement, but at that point its been established in Fate that they were an old magus family. I checked the gamescript and the first reference I found was there. Hell, we only realize in HF that Shinji literally lies to Shirou earlier.
Which was entirely due the relation being brought to fore and then made a huge issue. This was literally dealt with in UBW within the first five days. "What's it like being adopted?" "Depends on the family." "Oh, ok." Proceeds to never think about Sakura again.

It's implied in UBW.
Zouken was fine with it and he's fucking Zouken.
Note, that to compare you are pulling events from two routes.
That's implying Shirou isn't happy in every route, which is blatantly false.
Gimme a moment.
Yes, yes. Nasu held up a lot of points in store for the final route. That doesn't mean that the flaws of the route aren't there.

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Fine let's compare the deaths that you most likely have a problem with.
This is completely justified for Fake Assassin being something that should never have existed in the first place.
Completely comparable to Rider being one shot by Mr. Snake Fist.
I'll give you this one as it's completely comparable to Gilgamesh killing her in Fate
I already gave you this one but again Gilgamesh is kind of written to be an idiot in Stay Night for all his worth in all three routes.
EMIYA had a duty as a counter-guardian to try and take "the shadow" head on but you'll notice that Archer is a shit servant on a good day even when he has the advantage of being able to use multiple NPs against random servant, he is very poorly equipped to do anything against the type of thing that is Dark Sakura. Hell most servants are by default.

It's pozzed as fuck but it's apparently user's proof that Sakura is a Mary Sue.

Does a score this low mean I make not total trash characters or characters that are so normal as to be bland?

Google is a fucking piece of shit, god. This took forever to find.
10th Fes interview, I believe.
"Nasu: Simple. I decided the story would unfold like this when I first started, and the characters would serve the theme of the story. It was only natural the story would end like this. Really, that was it. In fact, I thought the Normal End was the natural conclusion of Sakura Route. In the draft, the Normal End was the True End."

I remember it being completely usable, which is why I did all four. Though it was mostly to shitpost with, I will admit. See he got pretty fanny flustered over it.

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I'm waiting for actual rebuttals, but seeing as how you're all I've got I might as well go to bed.

I do admit though, I should have realized sooner that talking to an EMIYAfag about HF being the best route was an exercise in futility from the start.

See
Come now, friend. How stupid are you?

What are you even doing, m8?

And like I said, Nasu even admitted that he fucked over his own thematic progression with HF.

Though I will admit, that the fact that Saber's score has lowered considerably since the adoption of feminist terminology is amusing.

You mean the route where Shirou wrecks Heracles by pulling Nine Lives out of his ass, manages to beat Saber in a swordfight and projects an instrument of True Magic?

Moreover, given that I specified Emiyafag, not Shiroufag, you ought to find it peculiar that I am against the very route which Emiya would advice for. That of leaving behind the ideal which he strove and still suffers for. But I'm not surprised that you're backing off.

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Noice, I don't even need to write anything about Fate to completely blow you out of the water.

Also, the concept of routes completely goes over your head, doesn't it?

You've already proven repeatedly in the past that you won't acknowledge quotes and citations you don't like. It's okay to admit that you're completely biased user. I can start taking screenshots if you want proof.

Just because he doesn't admit it in other routes doesn't make it less true. That's the funny thing about finding out you don't believe in what you were saying, you don't know you don't believe it until proven otherwise.

Sure, go ahead and try. I can argue anything I've said and show why it is true.

Oh wow, it's almost like EMIYA was being corrupted by Shirou just as much as Shirou was being corrupted by EMIYA when they were in constant contact, or something. Weird.

Okay, justify the fact that when talking about Heracles and Nine Lives you constantly spouted "copies can not surpass originals", in reference to Heracles Nine Lives being unusable in Berseker and the next day you were full on "no rule stated that a copy can not surpass the original" in reference to Prisma Illya. It's okay if you're retroactively editing that argument you lost the other day out of your head.
I don't think you're using that word correctly. As for what "corrupting" entails, the only thing flowing into Shirou were techniques and memories. Are you saying that Shirou just flooded EMIYA with the memories of a good little teenage boy so hard it ever route countless slaughter fests? Your justification is also inconsistent with Archer's actions in Fate. At least in Heaven's Feels his complete inability to kill Shirou is some "Counter-guardian rule" he's required to follow to let one life live as opposed to letting both just die. EMIYA being a hypocrite is part of his character.

Copies refers to the item itself. The Axe-sword which does not contain the history of being used with the attack "Nine Lives" cannot perform the attack "Nine Lives". To do so—as a Faker who does not match up in any way, shape or form to the Original—would be surpassing them, when it would require the Fake to do something the Original cannot categorically do.

In Prillya what happened was that under the specific conditions, Illya who has infinite magical energy could overpower a Saber Alter who has been fighting everyone and been taking so much damage that she had even lost her armor.

When Shirou says in UBW that there is no rule that a Fake cannot surpass the Original, it means that it is not categorically impossible for the second to trump the first. But it is true that the specs of the later cannot surpass the original.

If Heracles did not perform Nine Lives, then it is impossible to copy the act of Nine Lives. Quod erat demonstrandum.

An even more extreme example also exists in HF, where Illya notes that the arm is warping Shirou's sensibilities regarding his body's abilities.

If we are talking about the object in isolation, the nameless stone-axe sword. It is capable of doing Nine-Lives, the same way that anything that Heracles can use as a weapon can do Nine Lives. It is not the axe-sword itself that can not do Nine Lives, it is Heracles in his current Berserker state that can not use his NP with whatever weapon he's holding. Even as a Berserker, he can not use his NP but much like how Eye of Mind is still working, it is affecting his movements.
That's not what I'm referring to. For someone who wants to kill Shirou incredibly badly he sure does suck at taking the shot during the first Berserker fight when Saber is occupied. Archer is fully aware that Shirou is Shirou as demonstrated by the fact he even told Shirou "to imagine a weapon that can defeat an unbeatable opponent" before fighting Berserker. EMIYA who stated that his entire goal in this war from the start was to kill Shirou sucks at killing Shirou in nearly every situation presented to him.
If we're using the initial Berserker fight as a guide point no alliances had been drawn up at that point if there is specific line stated by Rin to say "don't kill Shirou" there is no reason other than EMIYA being a hypocrite other that he couldn't kill Shirou right there. Hell he even tries to kill Saber during the UBW route in the initial Berserker fight what the hell is stopping him from going after Shirou other than his own hypocrisy because he doesn't believe the bullshit he's spouting.

"to imagine a weapon that can defeat an unbeatable opponent" before fighting Berserker
the second time.

Yes. But Projection is explicitly reproducing something. The CM claims Nine Lives was sealed, thus it couldn't have been used, thus it couldn't have been reproduced.
Not to my memory. Scene where he says that? Moreover, in Fate he was out of commission.
Rank down of A++ is B++, which gives us 150 and 120 using the basic stat scheme. Saber Alter only has enough magical energy to bring out 100 given that she has taken considerable damage and has lost her armor, but Illya with limitless magical energy can still bring out 120. Something similar happens in a Fate bad end when Saber tries to Excaliblast Berserker, but due to her low magical energy reserves it doesn't work and she dies.

Similarly, in UBW Shirou's swords are inferior to Gil's in every way. But because Shirou's UBW is faster at bringing out the weapon than GoB is, Shirou is at an advantage and can push back Gil.

Also, as shown with Saber after she gets Gae Bolg'd, repairing the armor is literally just an expenditure of magical energy for Saber. So if Alter doesn't have enough reserves to restore her armor, how would she have enough to use Excalibur, a noted energy hog?

Yeah, as I remembered. It's Shirou who assumed it was Archer's goal from the start. What Archer says is:

Which means he was and sucks at it.

This also contradicts other sources.
At the instant Rin introduced herself, Archer believed the girl who summoned him was "Tohsaka Rin" (not due to his memory being confused, but the name Tohsaka Rin being worn off).


Hmmmmm I wonder what Archer's goal was, and why realizing he got summoned when Rin was a Master would remind him of said goal.

I can almost feel the autism now.

How does it contradict it?

In forensic science, there is a methodology used to investigate the motives of a person. You look at the sum total of their actions and from there you judge what is the end result.

What Archer tries to do, is educate Shirou off the path of being a hero of justice and to take out his frustrations. Hell, even in HF Archer merely calls it a grudge. Killing him is not something which he inherently wants, as seen in F/UC where killing Shirou brings him nothing but empty regret.

* and this result is then what you assume is their motive.

Pfft, nothin personal kid
*Teleports behind you and unzips dick*

Wew, that's some autism.
This is worse then his goal being to kill Shirou because at least that one had a shot at nuking himself out of the throne via production. (Albeit with no guarantee it would succeed.) Now you've reduced EMIYA from someone who still believes in himself and his ideals after countless fights (but refuses to admit it to himself) to an idiot whose entire goal is an exercise in futility. However, if your view on EMIYA is someone who knowingly does something retard because he's retarded. I guess the character acting like that makes much more sense.

*via paradox
Son of a bitch phone.

I also have Realta Nua, but I'd have to change applocale and restart and get screenshots from all three. But that's definitelly impressive. Unless you're just using it as a music player or something.

That's depression for you. You try being stuck in an eternal hell, summoned again and again, again and again, for all of time with no change.

What if 2 days into his summoning Archer remembers that, oh shit, he's killed Shirou at least 4 times already and nothing's changed. You know, since we already have at least one bad end in the vn itself which proves that it doesn't work.

You're explanation also ruins Archer's depiction as a constantly contradictory.

What?

Nice head canon you got there.
Whether or not it would work is not the point, Archer states he believes in UBW that if he can kill Shirou the paradox might nuke him out of the grail. And that he at least has to try. he certainly does not state or act like he knows for certain it will not work in UBW. Unless you're trying to imply that each bad end in Stay Night is an alternate timeline that EMIYA has memories of which is how he would know such a thing without having tried it.

Weapon's grade autism.

Grail? And no, Archer said it himself like I cited it and as you pointed out; he's awfully lazy about trying to kill Shirou and awfully into lecturing and beating him down instead.
If EMIYA didn't know what happened outside the Throne, why would he be anguishing over being sent to constantly kill people?

Well, I had fun but I'm going to bed now. Same time tomorrow?

Guess I gotta
>He starts kissing you lighter as he feels up your hand with the command seals
>You slide your tongue into his mouth as you clench his hand and dick tighter, your legs wrapped around him to pull him in completely

Fuck this game. I've yet to get anything from the 4 Drake pools i've been able to do.

Rejoice, shounen
You must keep getting spooked rolling to get the 5* you want.

a half assed rolling like that isnt gonna get you a 5 star. you need to save weeks and months for the 5 star you want. sometimes you can get lucky like me were i rolled 2 5 stars i a row but i still saved months to be able to roll like that. you cant use quartz so easily

this is why all the sakura clones are always better than the original sakura

Voiced updated when so I can finally fucking replay it?
Also where the fuck do I get gears and claws in Okeanos? I need one fucking claw and one fucking gear to ascend Emiya and Herc for the final time I believe.

Nowhere in Okeanos. The only place other than Berserker Training Field on Wednesdays you can farm is Germania in Septem.
Nowhere in Okeanos, only places you'll find them is Assassin training field from what I can see in the current NA version

Only thing that is questionable is her third skill when she seems like she should be a really selfish servant. But from her hit count, first skill and relatively high np gain she's really good at charging and spamming her NP. I wish they gave her two quick and two arts, or even 3 quicks but that might have made her too broken.
The artist has a serious case of same face but that doesn't make it a trace job.

Wrong. It depends entirely on your luck stat. I've rolled Waver 3 times, Jeanne once, and 2 Heracles within a month on an account I haven't spent any money on.

Have I become Moon Cancer?

Still rolled for her.
11 tickets and 60 quartz to obtain her.

Halloween event fucking when

Halloween obviously

Most likely Oct 21 through Nov 4

Is this Davud hero worth leveling?

David's 2nd skill is the only team-wide dodge skill in the whole game if I remember well. It's worth it to at least get him up to 1st Ascension for utility purposes.

Have a lazy edit for your gay shit.

If you're F2P and don't want Mordred to murder you when Camelot comes around then yes.

time to stake this shill thread

I don't think you know what shill means, user-kun

Is he just retarded?

is this canon

Heracles berserk is from where he was cursed went crazy for pretty much a day and killed all his kids
Asterios is always like that

Not really.
Fate/Side Materia III
It's specifically stated he had a history of being incredibly senseless and violent ever since being a child. Even if what you say were the case, then their Madness enhancement should be different ranks. Rank B is all stats receive a rank up and reason is completely lost. Rank D on the other hand, (such as Frankenstein) still allows the servant to communicate albeit long complicated topics will run into trouble.

You guys have been farming towards the 10000 mana prisms you need for some of the best CE in the game right?

With the new half ap thing going on soon, I planned to just lv up my shit. Spoonfeed me more info friend so I can start hoarding prisms.

Rejoice niggers, Fate/Hollow Ataraxia voice patch is out! Also, decensor patch works with it, too. You lose all your save progress, though.

Nah, concentrating on getting summon tickets and Fou'ing up my main team first. The real painful QP grinds are quite yet an issue for me.

Nah, it's CCC, a doujin group who tend to do a lot of Type Moon related work.

FGO in terms of lore and stats is completely fucked, because those things have little bearing on the game itself. Most everyone has at least one or two A stats, when an all round B in FSN was considered Stronk.

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Also, UBW is rankless you dofus.

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I think the real reasons for all this is gameplay wise Asterios has Madness enhancement B in order to compensate for the fact he's one star and doesn't have very good attack anyway so they gave him that for an extra passive boost to buster cards.

I mean if we really want to go into gameplay mechanics not matching up with Lore, Heracles even with his Bond CE, Skills and Mystic code can ever really resurrect maybe 5-6 times (maybe 8-9 if you really want to just stack servants who spam guts) Which still isn't 12 times because just giving Heracles that right off the bat would break the game

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Do voices wipe your data or just uncensor?

I think it was fixed, but you can save the folder just in case and then replace it if it was wiped. At least, my 100% save works right now.

This week has been good. Ascended Artoria twice and Gil once. Both are now 80.

Image keeping in theme with thread.

When does said CE get released?

Jannu Alter when?

If we're keeping to the same schedule; New years

Someone attempted to make a new thread. It's against the rules to do it this early, go read up on it.

TAMAMO SOON MY CRYSTALS CAN BARELY CONTAIN IT

No summonable version yet, but Muramasa Shirou confirmed. Conflicting bullshit all around about what exactly he is, but seems like fun.

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What would the game do for grinding hands if there was literally no one else playing online at the time? Might happen in 10 years. I have only seen NPC companions for main quests free quests etc.

Well, could do what Honako green does and has a second account for summon help. I've been able to use someone's summon that hasn't been online in days so it's not like Time has a specific factor if you have too few of friends (Just friends that log in more often and consistently make it towards the top)