Does positive censorship exist?

Sometimes the movie can be better than the book. Sometimes the dub can be better than the original. Sometimes the "clean" radio edit of a song can sound better than the explicit original.

It happens very rarely, but has it ever happened in video games? Has there ever been a game that has been censored for the better?

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Adaptation and voice over dubbing is not censorship.

That's an adaptation, something COMPLETELY DIFFERENT.
That has only happened with Ghost Tales, and that's because the original studio told ADV "We fucked up, do what you want with it."
But, that's censorship, and it's not the song the original artist wrote.
No
Well, there's a loaded question. Is it "for the better" if I tell you to fuck off?

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No. Fuck off back to wherever the hell you came from, we're not having any of your bullshit.

No

Creative limitations can work for your advantage. Many iconic moments in film history had to come up with creative ways to imply things because the censorship laws meant they couldn't just show it. This is different from censoring an already completed work of art/video game though, which is usually shitty. Being forced to creatively follow strict rules =/= replacing dialogue in Fire Emblem.


You're forgetting Cowboy Bebop. The director himself likes the Eng dub better.

Slight correction to my post, the series is called Ghost Stories.

Maybe

No

I'm sure there has been somewhere. It's all just a matter of taste, really.

Every german version of a game where they turn hostiles or npcs into robots is way better simply because of how hilarious it is. There's a mode in either Bulletstorm or Gears of War where instead of exploding into chunks, enemies explode into candy and rainbow.

I don't necessarily think it's better but it's funny either way.


Shieeeeet.

Sakurai said he liked the English localisation of Kid Icarus: Uprising better because it was more fun and had more banter and character.
That doesn't make up for all the abuse Fire Emblem has suffered though.

I guess Kane & Lynch 2 sort of did something interesting with censorship as a part of its style.

Theres something to be said for gurren lagann's dub. I think the themes are better expressed through the use of english, although the censoring of the bathhouse episode was awful(it was included in the DVD at least)

Many people prefer the dragon ball dub as well, since goku actually sounds like a man and not a child, the localization was pretty rough though with constant chatter during parts that were originally silent.

Why did you use a picture of princess bride. Is it censored in some way i never knew about?

People don't seem to know the definition of censorship. Adaptions don't always censor and changes aren't always censorship.

The film is just a little different from the book is all. As one user pointed out though that's an adaption. Not the same as censorship.

They are. They always are.
Fuck off.

Oh okay, yeah I would just say it's an adaptation. The only thing that's significantly changed is the narrative device of the movie is driven by the grandfather reading to the boy vs the book which is actually kinda clumsy with setup. The actual tale isn't changed too much

No you fuck off. That's the most ridiculous argument ever. Most changes, especially these days, are bullshit, but some are straight up better.

You are the cancer that enabled it in the first place. Go hang yourself.

No you fucking retard. Next thread

Whether censorship because "wont somebody think of the children" or because "eat your hamburgers Apollo", it all invariably has one root thought behind it:
"the target audience can't handle the original content"

Come to think of it, there is one piece of censorship that did at least do something interesting
One of the recent wolfenstein games was released in Germany with a total rebrand as a Captain America game

wow get a load of this retard
how do you adapt a book into a play when the medium is not the same? By censorship?
This is serious and hard work that goes far beyond cutting content

You seem to be deeply on confused on what censorship is.
It's not just changing the content, it is the removal of content from an existent work due to it being considered offensive to some audience or another.
Removing content from an existing work has never improved that work, because said removal of content renders it incomplete, and an incomplete work is invariably inferior to its completed form, outside of extreme circumstances.

On a related note, the shit with Nintendo Treehouse and other alleged localizers is not censorship, it's localizers failing completely in their duty to bring foreign-language content to the English-speaking public with as little difference in content as possible.

Samurai Pizza Cats. Dragon Ball Z. Fullmetal Alchemist depending on tastes.

English Kid Icarus was surprisingly well-done. It maintained a fun, wacky atmosphere where everyone is a goofball.


They also left out the book's ending.

Some could argue that Tenchi Muyo had a better dub.

Yes.
The solution?
Don't fucking adopt, make original content. All best movies are original, all best stage plays are original, all best games are original.

It's a fucking cash shoveling, because guess what is adapted? Fucking popular things that sold well in the first place.

You are either retard or shill.

Why don't we all learn how to shit golden turds while we're at it?

I still stand by the fact that localization bullshit is localizers not doing their fucking jobs rather than censorship, since that image shows exactly the former happening.

Most of the time I'd agree, I think all the shit that 8-4 does is out of lazy incompetence than intentional censorship, but in that specific conversation it appears undeniable to me that they simply blanked the conversation due to its "mature" content. Nintendo seems to have a phobia of the T-rating even though most people never pay attention to the ESRB.

Vagrant Story
The original jap had the characters speaking in modern english. English localization had it turned into 'ye olde english as well as magick'.
Vagrant Story was then praised not only for the gameplay but also for the localization.
too bad SJWs interpret this that it's okay to make your own changes in games, instead of thinking that censorship != improving game

Cromartie says hello

This is the only one that I can think of

You made your bed cuckolds, now lie in it.

What if the censorship is just one big joke? As in it's a 10-20 minute alternate campaign that pokes fun at censorship or the game or itself and ends quickly.

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yeah right
and i wrote "play" as in theater you nigger

If they didn't have so little credibility and competence I might show some sympathy towards this argument but I don't.
If we're going by the autistic definition of censorship then yeah there has been "good" examples of "censorship" in localized JRPGs.
Though 99% of the time censorship is cancer.

It's fucking shit. Your point?

Cromartie is actually pretty accurate to the original.

the thousand year door maybe. thats all i can think of

No. Wonder why no good videogames are made in Germany anymore and everyone plays job simulators? One of the reasons is because games are censored to hell and back, so people don't even bother.
Only few rare times censorship worked out for the better were when suits demanded change and gave creators free hand thinking that they won't top it, but they did.


Why? Do they actually want people to avoid dubs? And why did they choose ecchi-comedy and moe-comedy for that? People who like these genres are among the the least receptive to feminist messages.

My point is that you're a raging faggot with shit taste who needs to kill himself.

No.

The only one with shit taste here is you.

Coming from a fag this probably doesn't mean much
Post your last 5 games played and prove me wrong faggot
Pro tip: you can't and won't

Because the visual media translation industry in the US is as unprofessional as it gets.

do you really think I value the opinions and judgement of a shitter who thinks the chrono trigger localization was good?

Kek

I can't tell if you're retarded or disingenuous. I called it good, you called it shit. You're retarded and expect something for nothing. Lazy bum.

What's wrong user? You want me to start so you won't feel like a faggot?
Its not like this thread will go anywhere anyways.
I'll go ahead for you. Let's see if yours are any better.
Valkyria Chronicles
SMT IV
StarCraft 1
StarCraft 2 custom games
rivals of Aether
C'mon you little faggot, we're anonymous here.

I genuinely don't care about the opinions of censorship apologists,especially the ones who think shit tier localizations they played in their child hood are good because they were too young to know they were shit.
Consider this my last (you) to your attention hungry ass.

Don't worry user I'm sure people will truly appreciate not only an autist like yourself, but a smug autist who is also simultaneously a pussy. You're pathetic. With people like you on the "anti-censorship" side, I can see NISA, 8-4, Treehouse and NoA doing their damage for a long time to come.
Stay pathetic, you faggot loser.

The Japanese version of Killer7 replaced the audio of Samantha's sex scene with wacky, unfitting techno music. It ruins the uncomfortable feeling the scene is supposed to convey, but it's pretty damn funny.

I remember No More Heroes also censored all the blood and gore by having the dead split apart into pixely ash. It was a neat effect for levels but in the boss cutscenes it looked stupid as hell.

Forget to specify that it was the Japanese version that lacked the blood.

Gold work, Nintendo of America.

I think every graphic game should have two games, a kids version and a graphic version. Imagine a 4kids child friendly version of Silent Hill or a graphic version of Katamari.

Censoring the filth that Japan is spewing out can only be of benefit for the white race.

Ghost stories sucked

I'm gonna go ahead and bite but I will bring up a good point; Stephen King's IT has a part of the book where the kids are stuck in the sewers trying to kill Pennywise and they end up being trapped in the tunnels, and the way to bring themselves "All together" is a gangbang with each other.

That kind of thing is never going to be put in a movie and yeah you could argue adaptation but that's adaptation of a censorship variety.

I'm not defending Censorship by any means, but I am saying it -can- exist but it's a slippery fucking slope and should really only exist on extreme cases

instead of just filming themselves play, such a fall so quickly
BrainDawgs

It's really simple.
It's positive when it's being used to prevent the red plague from spreading such as preventing niggers, fags, trannies and whatever other degenerate propaganda from ever seeing the light of day.

It's negative when it is helping it by removing "racist" and "sexist" or whatever other wrongthink imagery or ideas or even suggestions that might cause thought crime from media.

Remember that when you fawn over trap porn or joke about feminine penises you are contributing to the spread of the most cancerous ideology on planet earth. As it is so often pointed out in many forms of media, the real war is for the minds of the people, thus by allowing enemy ideas into yours and spreading them, you are contributing to the enemy's war effort against us.

Anyone who censors lolis in vidya is doing the right thing. Sexualization of children has to end.

So censorship is just a way to help your political sports team win?

Damn right! I am upset we've gone so long down this degenerate ass path, I'm a leaf, and seeing all this shit lately just proves how disgusting the left in general is.

t. xXx_C3ntr1st_xXx

Blurring gentials in porn is for the better, porn shouldn't exist at all, but alas, the Eternal Atheist Jews really likes to demoralize everything wherever he goes.

Censorship, like anything else is just a defense mechanic that prevents foreign ideas from infiltrating the minds of the unsuspecting members of society. All these cries about free speech and what not that we had in the last 2 centuries were merely an offensive by the enemies of western society to allow themselves to preach to the western public the idea of their self-destruction which would be met with fierce opposition otherwise. It is these same people who incited the free speech revolution in the 18th-19th centuries who are now mercilessly supressing any and all opposing thought to their ideas right now.
To think that censorship is evil is the same as to think that guns are evil because they might be used against us. The truth is that censorship is merely a weapon and has no inherent evil or good qualities, rather it is evil or good depending on how it is applied, or rather against whom.

Pretty much my point yeah, but you said it better than I did

No, owning a gun means your free.

Also the point of censorship is to make one feel guilty.

Censorship is a gun, or a nuke, or an artificial plague. You could argue that weapons of such power are inherently evil because of the destruction and death that they could potentially cause, but in reality the only reason not to use every means to defeat your enemy only has value as a PR move, so as to demonstrate your overwhelming advantage or to win the hearts of the less loyal enemy subjects and sway them to your side.

He's not wrong.

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Anyone who thinks politics can be likened to sports teams is an atomized faggot that will spend his life complaining about how others get to dictate his life.

And being in a postition to censor potentially dangerous and destructive ideas (communism, islam) means the same thing. It is simply that modern censorship has evolved past the crudeness of simply wiping away and and all presence of opposing though. Instead opposing though is portrayed as ridiculous, foolish, it's followers as idiots and peer pressure is allowed to do all the legwork that government officials and secret police had to in ye olde times.
The gun isn't a symbol of freedom in of itself, but rather because of the power it offers to it's wielder. People who have power cannot be supressed or mistreated as easily as those without it. Thus on a cultural level a society that doesn't censor or doesn't have the power to is much like a person who doesn't own a gun.

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Usually things are censored to avoid offending a certain group of people. This is usually done in a way that "tones down" or completely removes certain elements. I mean the only way censorship could be perceived as an improvement really is if you are an overly sensitive person. And it works both ways. FF7 remake should not have the Honeybee Inn stuff censored even though homosexuality grosses me out. It adds more dimensionality to the game's story and it was the storyline writer's original vision. On the flip side, R. Mika's ass slap also should not have been censored, it was the game dev's original interpretation of one of her personality quirks. Given the way R. Mika dresses and looks in general the ass slap just fits her no matter what feminists say. I can't see any way censorship could be an improvement in any situation.

Now you are just being retarded or purposefuly misinterpreting what I am trying to convey to further your own stance against consorship. But the truth is you cannot argue against me without resorting to such cheap tactics.

Your shitty "libertarian" strawman is a good example of why you are an entirely unreasonable human being.

He may be retarded, but its hardly difficult to argue against Libertarianism.
theamericanconservative.com/articles/marxism-of-the-right/

You don't present a good argument to begin with.
Its basically "authority is good when used by my political side".
Its a short sighted belief from people with no vision. You'd rather chain people for "their own good" than to let them fail and learn.

I was agreeing with you by posting what every lolbert i came in contact with said in a fagpost, Don't take it so personally.
Every time i disagree with a lolbert they meltdown in a cognitive dissonance, because

Give me one reason to limit our ability to fight the enemy. To cripple oneself in a conflict to the death is to risk defeat, and there is literally nothing worse than defeat in the conflict that we are fighting. War does not determine who is right, but who is left, to argue about the morality of this and that and to overlook it's ability to further us towards victory is stupidity.

Well, I'm sorry for being too dense to see though your sarcasm.

Kid Icarus is one of those rare ocations when the LOCALIZATION was done good.
Not proper censorship (or "Bowdlerization").

Unrelated, the anime "Birth" didn't make any sense in the original version, Harmony Gold applied their usual edits, removed the nonsense and their "World of the Talisman" cut is more enjoyable. The japanese music is better, though.

Who the fuck is that dubbed for?

Because the same weapons you use against your enemies are going to be used against you.
Do you really think "your side" is going to stay in power forever or remain free of corruption?
Defeat comes easier from within. Look no further than the jewish infiltration of the entire US political system. They have been using your own weapons against you, your own positions of power against you after infiltrating them.

Not censorship, adaptation.
Very very rarely, still not inherently censorship. If censored though, dub is never better regardless of quality.
Nope it can't, unless you want to listen to Smack My Bitch Up with your mother.
Nope
Nope

Don't even give a single inch to censorship and censorship apologists.

It's okay.
And there's no reason not to use tools of the enemy.
Do you know why the left won/wins?
Because they are always scheming, how to get into power, and stay there, preferably indefinitely, without any consideration about having a good system which doesn't oppress the people.
Right has good economic and socially sound ideas(though i prefer mercantilism to free market, it's better to pay 11% on every imported product than 40% personal income then 25% VAT), but they are naive in letting the left even get near any institution, McCarthy did absolutely nothing wrong, because you NEED to deny the left platforms or they'll do the same to you immediately after seizing power through social engineering and scheming, while also turning every place they seize into a hellhole.
See Bolshevik Revolution, see Venezuela, see Spain, EU,
Would you rather live in Conservative America where burning the flag and promoting communism is outlawed, or a melting pot of grey-brown people where having any identity aside from sexual one is forbidden?

Communism was started by the Jews.

The same commie leftists which were hunted and cointel pro'ed by FBI and CIA have infiltrated those positions and use the tactics on online forums to curb dissent.
You can take your censorship apologist dildo and shove it up your ass.

It's already being used against us right now. The real trick if figuring out which information should be censored or deemed unacceptable and rejected and which should be allowed free. This is what determines the effectiveness of censorship. It is pointless to not act out a fear of corrution or otherwise some phantom force screwing things up and preventing perfect results as such things happen on their own even without outside interference. However it's important to spot anything that could potentially cause detrimental effects before it acutally causes them.
Also the US was so easily infiltrated specifically because of it's open nature, meanwhile European powers had to be destroyed by force during the 2 world wars, as they never would have supported the rampant degeneracy we are seeing today.

Yes, I'm well aware of that.I learned why Hitler ""hated"" the Jews from a rabbi, that, and weimar media was 90% owned by Jews, actually.

t. lolbert
Your system has never been tried, never will be but keep crying about

The people involved thought it was funny. ("If you think rape threats against women in gaming are acceptable, I'm glad my script pissed you off. #PrisonSchool #itwasjustonelineyounerds")
twitter.com/AttackonTyson/status/647096708472553473

After that Funimation made a statement that they would follow the matter closely. I don't remember anything similar to this after the incident.
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PD: The subtitles are fine, though: for some very special reason they thought only the dubs deserved the GG comment.

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Yeah I kmow the subs are fine, they are actually very close to the manga.
All the dubs aside from Cowboy Bebop and Ghost Stories tend to be awful so I normally never encounter this.

No fucking shit retard
Thats what I have been saying all along. All the retarded systems of censorship "your side" set up are being used against you. For some stupid reason you think that won't happen again so you want to double down.


can you articulate yourself beyond strawmen and canned rhetoric or are you really just a trainable?

Fucking hell. Who pissed in your cereals?

no, censorship means I make content, and you edit/ delete it without asking my permission

Actually no. Most of the systems being used against us have been specifically set up to counteract the surge of popularity that the right-wing is experiencing. There was never a legal system set up to counteract the spread of leftist ideas, or rather there was but most of it is either scrapped or outdated by current times, allowing leftists to easily bypass these measures.

So not only are you an ignorant dotard, you are a fucking retard who can't even follow basic patterns.
Those who don't learn from history are doomed to repeat it. After trump has done his 8 years you'll see whatever stupidity he has put in place used amplified and used against right wing ideals even harder.
Obama did it with Bush and Bush did it with Clinton. An ideology that is built without resistance will never survive.

You might be retarded, because COINTELPRO is a shitty half measure with sending an agent on a leash to keep in a controllable state, like Richard Spencer and the alt-right still, done by the left against retarded-right instead of dealing with it directly.
No communism, no flag-burning - 0 tolerance policy should be the norm, if you don't agree with american values, get out. Go build your commune somewhere else, preferrably in africa

Baby needs a nap

The scourge that is SJWeebs.

You certainly are retarded
COINTELPRO refers to the various tactics FBI used to disrupt political opponents. During the digital age with the advent of internet the tactics evolved to include various methods to dilute and subvert forum discussion. This is basic shit which anyone discussing non status quo politics on forums should be aware of. You probably googled and read up the FBI definition of this shit and fell for it like the good goy you are.

t. COINTELPRO good goy
Stop posting, anytime.

Why the fuck are millennials constantly spouting this shit? Censorship almost always means awkwardly cut content. It only "helps" creativity if the creator puts the effort to actually fight/get around censors. Most of the time though, the creator doesn't have the balls/time/passion to even do so.

Well gee, the Bushes, Clintons and Obongo are on the same team. Why would they push for legilation that favours their handlers I wonder?
The who point of their group is to turn the US into a totalitarian leftist shithole and they have been working on it for their entire lifetime and possibly their parents as well. The whole point of their campaign is to increase social and cultural control over the poulace and they are right now using that control to further leftist agenda. They lost a bit of steam with Trump being elected, but they still hold signficant power in the US. And while using free speech to stall their efforts is a good tactic, unless people are imprinted with a thought pattern that completely rejects leftist ideas at a mere hint of such, all this effort will be for nothing as they will be able to use the same logical loopholes of free speech and freedom of expression to do it all over again.

Censorship is NEVER good. Full stop.

You couldn't even find a post that said something like that to quote you dumb fuck.
Censorship improves cultural coherence and stability by silencing opposing ideas. If games with fags would get banned tomorrow you would be cheering and jeering and collecting leftist salt from twitter. If promoting "equality" or insinuating that niggers are human was a bannable offense in most social media I highly doubt you would complain.

Censorship is a society's cultural immune system. Free speech is literally cultural AIDS.

it doesn't matter, if I make content, you have no right to edit

so it kills degenerates? OK, I'll support free speech then

All media promotes the ideas and morals of th e author. If you promote ideas that are harmful to society you should be silenced.

Making silly jokes and relying on wordplay to support your views only serves to discredit them.

fuck all these commies

A good way to make sure a society stagnates is to censor all expression within it. America has done pretty well for itself up until the 70's, and free speech has been a staple since it's beginning.

If anything the FACT that we have free speech is what's allowing the Nationalists to rise up from it's grave in the first place. If free speech wasn't a factor the nationalists would've been anti-fa'd a long time ago, only by the government and not overprivileged college students with unwarranted self-importance.

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That's been his shtick since the beginning of the thread.

Good example of this would be UK.
If anyone thinks that authoritarianism leads to anything good then a single look at what happens in UK should cure that misconception unless its a delusion.

Can a censored version of the original be better than the original?
Yes.

Is it good to censor the original, even if the end result is better as a result?
No.
Censorship is bad regardless of whether it improves or degrades the original.

That's been known for the past 250 years.

If you promote ideas that are harmful to the 3rd Reich you should be silenced.
If you promote ideas that are harmful to The United States and it's people you should be silenced.


The only one without arguments aside from jokes is you. If you refuse to base your arguments on logic, they have no value and you merely out yourself as a person of plebian intelligence levels who doesn't know what he's talking about and should be disregarded.


If free speech wasn't a factor communists would never have been able to spread their ideas and take over the governments of so many western nations in the first place.

Censorship has nothing to do with the consumer's enjoyment of a product, and if you judge the practice only based on that factor, then yes censorship is obviously bad.
However to judge things based on the enjoyment they provide to you is basically communism and is extremely infantile IMHO.

you do realize nazis are national socialists, and oppose right to bear arms and freedom? and you're literally a socialist scum

You might as well kill yourself at this point. You are convincing no one.

Fuck, did I walk into a Holla Forums thread by accident again?

Also, didn't Hitler allow all of the Germans to own a weapon, except for the Jews?

"Positive censorship" is just adaptation or reinterpretation. An actual ARTIST with TASTE (RARE FUCKING COMMODITY THESE DAYS I KNOW) uses restrictions as an opportunity to reformulate the material into something appealing in the new structure.

Compelling point, but the restriction on freedom of speech will make it impossible to overturn communist propaganda in the first place. We can be Captain hindsight all we want but the fact of the matter is is that the Nationalist party (Who I'm assuming you are for?) is relying on the staple of freedom of speech, and advocating against it now would be stupid would it not?

Also, how would you plan on policing speech? Would you straight up burn books or blackout sites? Or would you do it through propaganda. One of the good benefits of freedom of speech is that the citizens THEMSELVES can create their own propaganda, allowing them to connect with their own neighborhoods. The Red Scare did a pretty good job of keeping communism at bay.

What about the arts? Are we talking about policing political dissent ONLY?

Pretty sure it was everyone he liked got guns, and all he didn't did not.

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Don't bother arguing with utopians. I am sure it would all work out in their perfected theoretical society after their bogeymans were completely destroyed.

He kind've makes a point though. It's possible to keep undesirables out of your communities by restricting undesirable speech.However, even though prevention works in the short term, most of history has shown that monarchies do tend to last some time, eventually something WILL give way, and your enemies will have an opening they will take.

Then when your enemies take over eventually, they will use your speech restrictions to rule just as or even longer than you will. Which is why I advocate for freedom of speech.

He seems to have a good idea of where he's going with it though, so I'm curious to see his respone.

Pick one.

Also how do you consider yourself a libertarian if you intend to restrict individual rights? Are you retarded? At least when the tankies want to ban everything they're being consistent with their trash beliefs, libtards can't even do that.

I didn't read the thread, but given the subject matter I can already tell it's filled with anons who think censorship is okay as long as it's jewish propaganda, or something like that.

You should probably read the thread though user. Just a suggestion since you replied and all.

I'll be caught dead before I read a censorship thread on Holla Forums in my life.

I'll fucking find you if you don't read the thread you replied to you fucking shit. READ THE FUCKING THREAD

Why are you implying that the novel faced heavy censorship when there wasn't? He wrote it for his daughters.

There are some films that made scenes more horrific/less cheesy by cutting out "offensive" content and leaving it to the imagination. Can't think of any video game examples though.


Best I can get is the "clean radio edit" thing with embed related

>>>Holla Forums

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That is because they are currently in a position of power and are able to dictate what is and isn't acceptable in society. Before any censorship of communist ideas can even begin to take place, the communists must first be disloged from their seat of authority. Obviously right now the nationalists must firsely defend and support freedom of speech in order to counteract communist censorship, but that is only a temporary state. If we are to reliably wipe out communism from the face of the earth so that it may never threaten us again we must apply strict censorship and social engineering practices so as that communist ideas are found repulsive at the very core of the human psyche. Otherwise communism will return, maybe under a different name, much like it has today in the form of cultural marxism and the whole struggle against it would have been in vain.

The ultimate objective is the complete and absolute destruction of communist ideas. If freedom of speech serves this objective then it must be protected, if it serves as a detriment then it must be done away with.

The approach will depend on the political situation and on what the public deems acceptable. If the public demands heavy handed measures and displays of strenth then every act of censorship should be widely displayed and trumpeted, which will naturally be met with a pleased public. If the public isn't too cooperative or is too attached to the ideal of the freedom of speech then the censorship of leftist ideas should obviously be done much more covertly and swept under the rug.

I will make an example of a totalitarian state, the soviet union which never impeded the production of internal production of communist propaganda. Creativity was widely encouraged and there were lots of artists, cuture events etc. However straying and creating something that would go against the party line was a big no-no. In the end the USSR was defeated economically, not culturally. Were it able to provide it's citizens according to their needs instead of having most of them live in poverty which was the main reason for them being upset about the communist regime and doubt it, the country would never have collapsed. We can blame communism being a retarded economic system at it's core for that. There was even a joke that if communism ever reach the Sahara, there would be a shortage of sand there.

And yet we find ourselves in our current predicament. The red scare did jack shit to stop communism because it taught people to react aggresively to communist imagery and not communist ideas. If schools and universities would actually break down communism and logically point out all of it's negatives as well as control their HR to prevent infiltration , I would like to believe that we woldn't have this many leftists running around. The real problem however was that communist infiltration not only physical but also psychological started long before the americans became aware of it. And of course the open nature of the united states allowed communists to shield themselves with human rights and their propaganda with freedom of speech, making them untouchable, lest the americans were ready to abandon their own principles in order to fight them, which they didn't and thus were defeated culturally by the USSR.

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Hmm.

One more question then i'm out of your hair. Under your ideal country communist free America, would ridiculing the President or other political satire still be allowed?

You're no different than an SJW, just on the other side of the fence.

Truly no different from niggers, because all ideas are equal, only the means can differ.
Kill yourself horseshit theorist.

I still can't believe this shit. And who thought it was a good idea to make Hitler the big bad guy?

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Those ideas are of equal value.
Why would a 100% homosexual society die in a single generation?

yes, if this thread gets deleted that would be positive censorship.

If we reach the "ideal country" state, there will be no need for censorship as the people would be past the point of rebelling and, hopefully, the elite at the top would be past the point of growing decadent and abusing their power. However before such a state of social order is reached all opposing ideology that contradicts reason must be eliminated and resort to existing only as a mention in history books, much like feudalism and the early theocracies of the middle east/americas are today.

Or perhaps it will be a mere turn of an eternal cycle. As communism is eradicated and the measures that were needed to contain it become redundant, people will clamour for liberty again and overthrow the totalitarian state and in it's place install a democracy, which will in turn give way to socialism and communism and we will find ourselves at square one.

Or maybe by the time we are done defeating communism technology will have progressed to a point that rebellion against the government would become impossible, and humankind will find itself in a state of eternal world peace. Maybe something like Huxley's Brave New World, but less messed up.

In the end the real struggle is between the races of humankind, and whoever wins the final war that we are about to experience will most likely have a permanent claim on the entire planet and we are all ultimately headed in the same direction regardless of who wins and who loses. We can only hope that it is the white race that trimphs over the jews and their brown hordes of mongrels. A third player might be the Chinese as they will most likely be deemed too smart to keep around by the kikes or they will simply backstab them because they are indeed too smart for them.

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im not a leftist, I just want it deleted because its not videogames

Even if it's not videos games, that is what a discssion about censorship would boil down to.
Technically it's possible to talk about any given topic on Holla Forums as long as you add "in video games" next to the title.

In a "free" and "open" society that is all about being a counter culture in of itself, yes. You fail to realize that the very concept of social norms is censorship and that is what is being used to attack right wing ideas, since they were moved outside the social norm by decades of propaganda. Thus what we should do is reverse this process and apply it to the ideas that our enemies espouse, moving their ideas out of the social norm while making ours the standart through propaganda.
The point is that we don't cripple ourselves with censorship, much like the leftists are right now. To them not being racist and accepting the fact that his wife sleeps with jamal is the normal, logical thing to do, because otherwise he would be an evil genocial maniac. Applying the same process we can make our ideas the norm, such as for example the perception that niggers aren't human or that the jews are a subversive cult bent on wiping us out from the face of the earth.

OP is a goon

Wrong.

Then tell us, why is it so important to have the government crack down on people who are wrong?
If their ideas are really so wrong that they collapse completely upon contact with reason, why do they need to be prevented from publishing their wrong ideas?

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As it was pointed out in the thread by another user, an internal enemy is far more dangerous than an external one. Following this reasoning, why should the government NOT crack down on internal enemies who seek to destroy the society they inhabit and possibly were born into?

Most people don't use reason too much, esspecially those in the lower strata of society. They only care to live in peace and have their needs be met and their basic rights respected. How many will the traitors be allowed to fool with their drivel before action is taken? Will action to counteract subversion ever be taken in time, before the masses of useful idiots stage an uprising only to be purged later on as the revolutionaries stabilize their rule? Take a look at the fall of t he Russian empire and the communist uprising there. The bolsheviks were a tiny minority for the longest time, however they managed to use a crisis to take over and afterwards they were untouchable. It took the USSR 70 fucking years or three generations to keel over because of the rampant mismanagement and corruption that plagued it, but how much suffering and death did it cause in the process? Could it all have been preventable if the imperial administration had handled the jewish subversion more intelligently? I guess we shall never know. The only thing we do know is the timeless lesson that this event has taught us about communists and jews and what their plan is for us.

It only takes one major crisis for a tiny group of subversive shits to take charge and then they will become untouchable and completely unaccountable for the longest time. That is the lesson. And thus to prevent this from occuring any and all effective means must be utilized.

Breath of the Wild made it work.

No you retarded one-and-done communist kike.

Japan managed to avert it by Otoya Yamaguchi stabbing a commie right there and then.

That is what happened in public view and perhaps was a signal to start a larger operation behind the scenes. They most likely took out the guy to replace him with their own agent who in turn already had a network set up and ready to sabotage the communist party from the inside.

Having watched the sub, I can confirm that the nip version of the bathhouse episode I watched was censored as well. Seems it was too risque for nip tv as well.

It would be better to walk students through the logical solution in schools instead of letting them drown in the "whatever feels best" bullshit that gets taught there today. There's no need for "positive" censorship, just provide a constant source of debate. Encourage it, give kids grade bonuses for debating.

Even if students are encouraged to debate what stops the whole thing from becoming a sham echo chamber through peer pressure or teacher involvement? You see debate may bring out reason, but it may also be a cause for ostracism, and there are plenty of other methods to ensure that wrong opinions are not expressed or argued for in such debates that no ammount of regulation is going to prevent. You see when people debate in schools, unlike this place, they actually have an identity and can easily become targets of the opposition, esspecially if they are expressing views that are not commonly acceptable, and considering how rabid and agressive leftists have become over the last few years there is no doubt that such debates will simply become fertile ground to disseminate propaganda.

Also to add to that, given today's media technology it would be piss easy to find people arguing for our position who did so poorly and ended up looking like idiots by accident or by intention and then amplifying this into the view of the public at large, all the while, of course, silencing and obscuring any good debaters who might present (((undesirable))) ideas in a good light.

The same problem applies to censorship. If teachers are only taught to censor bad ideas, then they'll look foolish and stupid as soon as (((someone))) with a silver tongue beats them in an argument. Forcefully crushing this dissent will only attract people to it, since it becomes "rebellious" and "fighting the man" and other shit teenagers eat up.
Bad debating is always a problem, but teaching positions should have debating skills as a prerequisite. An educated public requires educated teachers, but education is collapsing in all civilized societies.

I am not doubting the value of good education, however education is all too easy to subvert and use as a means to propagate one position or another. And propaganda in the guise of education, esspecially when applied to a young and impressionable mind can be very hard to undo.

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Holy shit, even with the broken half assed japanese that i learned from watching cartoons I can see how much they botched his condescending tone and attitude towards link.

I emphasize education and debate because the ideas of communism appear from taking a nice general idea and applying it stupidly. The basic idea of communism comes from "wouldn't it be nice if no one was poor and everyone got what they needed?", which is the sort of thing a nice kid might think. Then it gets subverted into the bullshit that is Marxism. Preventing that requires a good teacher who explains why sharing can be nice but must be voluntary, and how redistribution cannot work as a societal requirement.
All of that requires education at the lowest level, or else we'll get the standard misguided kneejerk liberal who "thinks" with nice feelings instead of thinking with reason. They'll pop up from any race, any class, and any place on Earth as long as nice feelings can be twisted through specious arguments.

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Yes. When it censors what I disagree with.
I'M CENSORING THIS THREAD

I agree. I prefer vidya characters that are bothered by random situations not to drop fbombs every second of every hour. There's a time for that.

Education hasn't been good since the 1920's at least.

Duet is derivative content. It isn't uncommon time and doesn't pretend to be.

It's called a gag dub, retard
i.e. an officially endorsed abridged version

And there we have the problem, as teachers are probably one of the most cucked professions out there.

It's the biggest problem we've got when it comes to killing Marxism- the entire educational system has been subverted. There are a million reasons why but all that really matters is getting it fixed. Some people say we should kill the Department of Education, other people say we need to enforce educational standards on teachers like we do doctors and lawyers (continuing education)- unfortunately all these solutions get buried by people who benefit from a stupid public.

Just remove compulsory education.
And prevent retards from voting, burgers are already a republic so popular vote is literally as important as a poll
Shit teacher will die out, and good teachers will created their own schools, become private tutors.

It could work, but the teeming masses of uneducated retards will be easily swayed by Marxism, so regular purges would become necessary. Required education is expensive and prone to subversion but is another way of stopping the spread of subversive ideas.

No shit. The idiots and/or controlled opposition get national platforms and people who actually know what's going on are avoided at all costs.

Feudal society and a good religion could keep them from getting retarded ideas of marxism.

This is why I like the Rurouni Kenshin dub. Kenshin in Japanese sounds like a child normally and like a child trying to be tough as the Battosai. In English he sounds like a dope normally (which is fitting) and like a badass (or close enough) as the Battosai.


I liked Kick Ass as a movie far better than a comic. Particularly because he faps to getting cucked at the end of the comic, but I felt the movie executed the comic's themes better anyways. Never read the sequel, but the movie sequel sucked ass.

Democracy is only good in its original form where not everyone could vote. You had to meet certain requirements to show that either your opinion was a worthwhile one, or that you had a vested stake in the wellbeing of the nation. Things like military service, land ownership, having children, etc. Things that show you're in it for the long haul and you give a shit about the country, not just getting more gibs. This idea that democracy means everyone gets to vote is a very modern bastardization of what democracy actually is. Because the fact of the matter is that mob rule is retarded, especially in an age of mass media having inordinate influence over the masses and their opinions, how they view the world. Voting is a privilege that you must earn, not a right.

Enforcing both will end up requiring violent revolution anyway. At that point we're saying that modern society is unavoidably fucked; I don't think it is (yet) but it definitely looks grim.

Cromartie High is really good, but goes way off the rails after a number of episodes. It reminded me of Space Ghost Coast to Coast which does the same thing.

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Even then it's sub optimal, and Switzerland could easily introduce a monarchy or some other form of autocracy, but they're rich and homogenous enough to play around with it.
Also, reminder that democratic societies cannot be lawful or just, because democrats believe the bigger the number, the more correct you are

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Sam, stop. This is not a self-defense situation.

A completely outdated system of governance that caused much more hard than good as the nobles constantly squabbled among each other over grudges and internal power games at the expense of the common folk. Not to mention it only works in an agrarian society where the main source of produce is crops. Even if our society would accept such a repressive and unfair type of government, modern technology makes it completely obsolete, not to mention the stability issues it causes. We would be experiencing civil war after civil war because each nation would basically consist of multiple other nations that also consisted of smaller nations that again consisted of even smaller nations. It is pure madness to apply such a thing in the modern world. Medieval history is probably one of the best and most interesting time periods though.
Here I'll have to agree. As long as people were religious, western society was stable. With the appearance of atheists and other heretics pushing for secular government things went to total shit in a matter of decades.

Switzerland is a very loose federation consiting of semi-autonomous cantons. That shit would never fly there.
The original democracies had many measures to prevent mob rule. The idea was that when the decision making is decentralized into a big group of people it is much easier to make decisions that benefit the nation as a whole rather than all the decisions having to go through a monarch or a small clique who have a much higher possibility of becoming detached from the needs of their subjects and contry.

i guess you're right, though you're forgetting that now we have a caricature of feudalism with braindead serfs creating wealth for lazy and incompetent masters, so I hope you can understand my curiosity about being able to see the real deal.
Without meming, however I'd like mercantilism to return because instead of income and value added taxes I'd much rather prefer a tax on imported goods, not a fan of economical system where the moment you can, you leg it to china, but don't notice that everything you brought there became a Chinese invention, original concept do not steal!
Allowing china to get rich while your nation gets detriot #X with a varying % of niggers.

How the fuck do you translate "Hahahahaha" to "Good luck sealing the darkness"?

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The biggest problem of feudalism isn't that it's unfair to the serfs, although that is also up there. The real issue is the stability of the country that is divided into smaller autonomous states which are again sub-divided many levels down and ruled by people who rightfully or not consider themselves above everyone else, and expect to have all sorts of rights and priviledges guaranteed to them by the state. People who have their own small personal armies that are completely outside the main command chain, and may or may not heed a call to war. These people also consider each other equals and thus apply the full entirety of the power that they wield, being semi-autonomous rulers in their own right, against each other, solving their often times personal disputes through civil war, often to the detriment of the country and it's people to the point that some medival kingdoms collapsed and were conquered by external enemies because they were too busy figuring out their internal inheritance disputes. I'm looking at you Visigoth Spain, Byzantium and Kievan Rus

I'm heard a theory out there that this "silent" support conservation is actually a reference to a FE fan translation of where they did the same thing with two ninja characters. If true (which it probably isn't and more likely coincidence) it brings up the question of why NoA would even reference something from a fan ROM hack and be lazy about not even attempt to translate the original dialogue in the process.

I guess if you use the term broadly enough, censoring can remove what are otherwise unimportant portions that complicate the story, like a theatrical cut versus a directors cut (though director cuts are almost always better.) Other than that, positive censorship could really only exist if you wanted something censored.

Eternal proof subs are superior

That's Nyarlathotep you dingus, all his minions and himself look like shit from the German Third Reich because rumors that the Nazi Army still survived were spreading and it meme magic'd them into reality.
At any rate I find positive censorship the kind that either sees the developers/artists throw a hissy fit at being misunderstood/censored by their parent company and hence ridicule them within the game for doing so, or the kind that is unintentionally hilarious or even adds to the experience, like the picture I had posted.

Never going to happen no one wants to risk getting fired or getting the plug pulled on their project. The only time censorship is openly ridiculed is when it's prompted by governmental decency laws.

Apparently the creator of Yu Yu hakusho also liked the dub of that show better iirc.

I still can't believe that shit. Weren't they planning on outright selling off their movie division not too long ago? The fuck happened that made them double down like this, none of their movies since ghostbusters have made that much money far as i can tell, even Emoji movie's performing under expectations, i think.

It's not Hitler, dummy, He never wore aviator sunglasses

How does this entail censorship?
How does this entail censorship?
kek
No.
No.

This entire thread is bait.

It doesn't. Censorship is either the hot new buzzword, or he's a summerfag/redditor.

>implying they will ever run out of money as long as they keep pumping out (((propaganda)))

Bebop very western. When depicting a different culture than your own, using the native language will almost always seem better than your own because it usually suits the story better. This is one of the main reasons 99% subs are better than dubs.

8/v/'s idea of what "censorship" is and when and where it actually applies has gotten really diluted. I'm pretty sure most anons don't know what genuinely constitutes censorship so they just go with the black and white "ANY AND ALL CHANGES ARE CENSORSHIP" because thinking is really really hard for them.

Can you think of any sort of hypothetical example where a game would be censored and be better off for it? Any at all?

I watched both of them in English. Didn't really have a problem with them, and they take place in a western setting, particularly Germany. With that in mind, nip voices would seem really weird to me.


Fuck you.


Nobody is claiming that faggot.


Is that hard to say they are not doing their jobs by censoring things in this manner? The two aren't mutually exclusive.

Failing to translate properly on the level Treehouse often does certainly constitutes censorship. If there is still dialogue, but it has been completely changed to something entirely different, the original dialogue is essentially removed and thus censored. Writing different words over something censored with white-out doesn't make it suddenly no longer censorship.

Hello cuckchan. I guess this explains the bait tier thread and why you made an OP and didn't post for 5 1/2 hours.
And the baiting continues.

I sincerely wanted to give the English dub a chance with this, but after the first blood moon I couldn't fucking stand Zelda's fake british accent and incredibly poor delivery.

I watched the opening cutscene with most of the language options and landed on Japanese because it was the least offensive. I might use Russian or French if I do another playthrough though.

you forgot your smug anime girl image

The only other instances I can think of the English dub team just straight up ad libbing shit are Super Milk Chan and Bobobo-Bo Bo-BoBo

I will never forgive them for taking away bisexual Ayla.


My opinion on this is that it happens once in a blue moon, and the fact that it does occasionally happen is no reason to allow unnecessary changes as a general practice. It's similar to the fallacious argument often based off of Beethoven's deafness. The argument here is often that it okay to have a child whom you are certain will be born with some sort terrible illness on the off chance that they may be some sort of genius. I see it as highly unethical and cruel to bring a person into the world knowing they will have a severe physical or mental disability, and is no less cruel and unethical even if they do become some sort of genius. The perceived ends, especially when they are such gamble, do not justify means. If a translator believes a work has poor writing and that his would be better, it is unprofessional for him to take it upon himself to change it, even in the rare cases where he is right, rather than simply being an egotistical hack. The work must stand on it's two legs. If the writing shit, it is the job of the translator to convey that shit writing in a foreign language so that others may also see and understand that it is shit. It is not the job of a translator to "improve" anything.

Death Note, Devil May Cry, Yugioh, Samurai Champloo, Vesperia…

they fucked around a little in the english dub of maken-ki, i remember at one point they said something like "someone on the boys' team just got knocked out, but he's not one of the main characters so who cares?"
if the dub of a more obscure show isn't super annoying, i might watch it just for nuggets like that

The worst thing about the inappropriate Gamergate reference thrown into Prison School is that it makes the scene more confusing. Most normalfags probably don't know what GG was - and on the off chance that the viewer DOES know about Gamergate, the dialogue makes even LESS sense.

They added American TV references in a fucking Japanese setting is what pisses me off there.

There's also Funimation's Crayon Shin Chan dub, which is somehow lighter on the social justice bullshit than their latest releases.

So on the censorship stuff, any and all act of blocking a information is control of the same, and as it is impossible to trust anyone other than yourself, how can you be sure that the censored stuff is not important, or a point that might interest you, or even something that will better everything? Free speech is an important way to create new ideas and nouveau stuff, if the population is too stupid to reach a consensus with the new, then it is not the free speech that is the problem but the education and retardation that is "mass" of people.
"Everybody should be able to ask retarded questions and be called out on then", take away a part of this and we have a power struggle where who controls it will fuck everything up
Well, I might as well ask what is anons thoughts is on anarchocapitalism and it's willy-nilly idea, that the retards that are the mass will not burn up everything that is not theirs at the start of everything.
On other note, I'm unable to see a good social organization, where we don't have the use of force and the bickering that follows to usurp this power without a big state, and in a small state or a descentralized stuff we encounter the asinine world view of the normal citizen where things encounter themselves in a black and white scenario, where they can block pain and unhappyness from everyday from their lifes.

Furthermore, it dates the show (or at least the dub) as a relic of the past. Nobody cares about gamergate anymore, aside from a few whales who got triggered in 2014/2015. Shit gets old fast these days, and it's especially true when it comes to the internet. Last year's dank memes are ancient history.

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