Nipponese Learning Thread: しこしこぴゅん Edition

obligatory

First time visiting this thread

I just noticed reading the Hiragana language

Kojima got his idea for "la li lu le lo" there, right?
I mean, japanese doesnt seem to have the letter "L", hence why they pronounce it as "R" because they dont know anything else.
So Kojima used the letter"L" as a to sort of make the Patriots exist outside their perception becuase they cant even
write or pronounce them? If japanese were to be the only language in the MGS world then we wouldnt even know about the "La li lu le lo" since we cant even begin to imagine those letters and what they sound like.

It reminds me of the "doublethink" from Orwells "1984" Where the government reshapes every word in the dictionary so that no ideas can be thaught that will be negative for the regime. It isnt possible to even think about "political freedom" becuase the words to describe that doesnt exist, it is impossible to think it and imagine it. The same goes for the "la li lu le lo" since the words doesnt exist to explain "L" purely in japanese.

Or am i looking too far into it?

That's the idea.

I feel like スマタ・フェラ should cost more than おっぱいもむ.

cool, never thought about why the patriots were named that way before. might give learning japanese a try

It's unfortunate that the idea essentially wasn't translated. It's understandable, since they would've had to come up with a new way to do it each time the game was translated to a language with a different set of available sounds, but it would have been cool if they'd pulled it off, and every player around the world got gibberish tailored to their personal linguistic perspective every time someone gets nanomachine-censored, which would have been thematically consistent.

You should be saying 負けない。

If anyone still cares about the 「だろうと」 vs. 「だとしても」 bit, I talked to a couple more native speakers who see no difference in their meaning, so translating 「だろうと」 as "Even if" is correct.

Even without a も at the end?

Yep.

The top of the page says めにゅ which is read menyu which is Japanese for menu, you dumb faggot

＞Sumata: 100 yen
＞Sex: 500 yen
The last line I'm not entirely sure of, but I think it says that the Sex option is all-inclusive and comes with every other option automatically.

Fucking goddamned Japanese text fucked up the goddamned greentext.

Moonrunes, I swear to God…

What is that word at the end of 上の４っぜんぶはいって?

おくトク？　あくトク？ I am bad at reading things outside of standard computer font.

Yep

It's just おトク, the little mark on the upper right of the お is just really big. It's saying that it's a good deal basically.

おトク

おとく

Not entirely sure why とく is in katakana and not hiragana or kanji, but the word means "good deal" or "good value."

It's a little kid, so she probably couldn't write 得

Ah, thanks. The small squiggle of お was just way too exaggerated and I didn't know the word otoku.

Probably to emphasize, like how we use CAPITAL LETTERS to do the same at times.

Get used to shit like this, especially when you're trying to read handwritten kanji. When you're reading bad handwriting in English, you're assured of having at least a 1/26 chance of picking the right letter. If someone has bad handwriting in Japanese, good fucking luck.

sauce on first image? Couldn't find any matches on iqdeeb, sawsnao, jewgle reverse image search, or sadpanda.

exhentai.org/g/1093133/4b4cfaf4a9/

Did you try reading the title of the manga given right there in the lower left corner of the page?

To be fair, he'd only find a heavily censored English version of that chapter by searching that on sadpanda.

Fair enough

You talking about the mosaic? That's some pretty tame shit. I was fearing for the worst, such as lightsaber dicks, but this is absolutely nothing.

White-out and mosaic are the same thing, you can't see anything. Compare that to the transparent bars in the tankoubon.

Absolutely not. Mosaic's obfuscate, but you can still vaguely see what is there. Good luck seeing past the lightsaber dicks.

You really think this looks anything like a pussy?

I just don't understand people who are satisfied with mosaics. It completely ruins a manga for me if it has mosaics, or even just too many black bars.

All I'm saying is rather mosaics than something like this. To try to equate the two is simply wrong as fuck.

Mosaics can at least keep your peepee hard with the just visible allure of the imagery of what's behind the curtain, so to speak. Lightsabers do not and can not. They're completely art ruining.

I'm going to hear them every time I encounter that type of censorship from now on. Fuck you.

How do I say thanks for the concert to the jap guy I sit next to in my orchestra? Arigatou?

But you still enjoy shit.

So how do learn Japanese?

Just start studying.

If you don't have the diligence and self-teaching ability to read the guide in the OP, you don't have the diligence and self-teaching ability to learn.

where do I start.

Kill me.

Simply 諦めない is never a command telling someone not to give up.
That means "(unspecified subject) does not give up," not "never give up." Use one of the negative imperative forms instead, like 諦めないで for a more polite tone, or 諦めるな for a more plain form, or 諦めるなかれ if you want to sound more formal/ serious/ archaic for shits and giggles. For the word 'never' in this context, you would use 決して. So it should be　決して諦めないで or 決して諦めるな。Or even 決して諦めるなかれ。

It's typically an alveolar tap, but has many allophones, and can be pronounced as English l, English r, or Spanish trilled r, depending on the speaker. I often hear girls saying it as "l", "tough guy" characters trilling it, and old men pronouncing it almost like English r.

I think it's dependent on context, but だろうと could be taken as short for だろうとも in certain cases, so you could argue that the も is actually implicit. Here's a blog that lists 「であろうとも」 as a formal equivalent.

blog.meigaku.ac.jp/yabu/2011/03/21/構文０３３　「たとえａであろうとも、ｂ」のeven-if/

But of course, not every single instance of だろうと is necessarily intended to be short for that pattern. だろう has multiple meanings/ usages.

You don't deserve such a mercy.

The nips spoken language is the same as the written one, right? So if I learn how they write, I can understand what they are saying?

Not necessarily. There's an ocean of words that are more or less only literary terms, and conversely, many words that are only used in casual speech.

I wonder if there's porn of MEEARII SAN

Yeah man, that's exactly it. That is most definitely how language works.

Indeed, that's actually why Japanese is the hardest language to learn, too, because you're kind of learning two languages at once. The Nip you're learning gets confused with the smatterings of Chink leftover from the kanji, so it's very easy for the beginner to become confused until you've sorted it all out mentally.

all right. I'll come back when I'm sober.

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How do gook languages sort alphabetically?

Ask a Korean language thread oh wait there isn't one because Gooks don't make video games

Jap language is sorted a-i-u-e-o, then ka-ki-ku-ke-ko, etc. in the order of a-ka-sa-ta-na-ha-ma-ya-ra-wa

Very informative post. However, I was merely saying what 松岡さん says in
this video. Listen to it. Is that not what he says?

How long will it take to get a basic understanding of the language to be able to play games or read manga in leisure?

Depends on what games and what manga, are you planning on say, reading Yotsuba? Shonen shit? Seinen shit? As for games, again, what games? Casual JRPGs?

I'd say jrpgs and just mostly Slice of life and shonen

What if it's a kamen rider game?

It varies of course but I would but some JRPGs on par with novels for making up bullshit words, while others will not.

I'm not telling you what you should or shouldn't do, but just as a bit of advice, I'd say it's probably not a good idea to put yourself on a time frame. If you say, "I have to be fluent in X amount of time" you're just setting yourself up for disappointment, because learning a language is a constant and lifelong process. It's like asking, "how long will I have to practice guitar before I can play like Jimmy Hendrix?", there's no definitive answer for this because everyone has their own aptitude for learning specific things, and everyone has different amounts of time that they can dedicate to studying, not to mention the fact that the quality of their education, or the methods by which they learn, can have an impact on their ability to develop an acumen for their chosen skill.

Instead, you should focus on short term goals. Start from the beginning. Do you know Hiragana and Katakana? If not, then you should, and that should be your current goal. Set yourself constant, small, and surmountable goals, and then work towards achieving them. Maybe your first goal for this week could be, "Learn how to pronounce and write the first 25 Hiragana symbols and their stroke orders". If you manage to achieve this goal, then set another goal to learn how to speak, read and write the rest of the syllabary until you're done. Then, you can begin setting larger goals, like building your vocabulary or learning basic grammatical structures. Eventually, you'll get to the point where you can set large goals like, "read this entire novel or play this entire game in Japanese and without using a dictionary"

Not to go off on too much of a tangent, but learning a language is sort of like speed running. Why are speed runners so "good" at the game? It's not because some people are born with some special "speed running ability", although you could probably argue that some people are just better at learning how to play games than others. No, it's because the average speed runner spends hundreds of hours learning how to run through an optimal route of the game. They learn all the best strategies for taking down bosses or obstacles, they learn how to execute glitches to sequence skip, and they spend a great deal of time refining their ability to do these things efficiently. When it comes to language, you have to do the same thing. You spend hours grinding your anki deck until you memorize everything it has to offer, you spend hours memorizing special verb conjugations and learning grammatical principles, and then you actually do exercises to apply your knowledge. Why the fuck do you think people in English speaking countries spend their entire primary education on learning the grammatical principles of English? It's because language is a complicated thing that needs to be critically examined in order to be understood and mastered.

TL;DR
Start with small goals, then work your way up to larger goals. Try your best, and constantly study, or do whatever the fuck it is that you need to do in order to learn. Don't ask, "when will I be able to do X" and instead ask, "What am I capable of doing now, and what can I do to increase my capabilities?"

Well, in this case you can use 諦める , but you would be better to use 負ける ,

Also, do not use -な when conjugating verbs since it's considered not plain, but rude, sometimes very rude depending on the context.
私の携帯を見ないで
(Don't look at my phone)
as
私の携帯を見るな
(Stop looking at my phone!)

You'd be careful to actually use -な when talking to a person that you don't know for 90% of the conversations that you would have in Japanese. You will come off as a rude and condescending asshole, and depending on the person. And don't teach people old forms that aren't used anymore, they only come up in entertainment and literature, and almost never come up in conversations. You will be laughed at, and not in the cute way, but in that you are retarded and probably learned it from a movie. The only time those forms are useful are if you real classical literature or watch a lot of period dramas.

This drives me up the fucking wall. Maybe it's not the same in English, since our characters are far less complex, but I wouldn't dream of making a caption so small that it's technically illegible.

Post an image of it.

The second character in the first line. I can't tell what's going on at the top right, and no drawing or combination of the other radicals I've put into Google/Jisho has suggested anything similar. This is actually far from the worst case of this I've seen. I was also unable to look up the first kanji in line 4, even though it's much more clear.

That's 我慢. The other one is 奥.

If you can read this and understand it no problem you're doing well.

Goddamn, thank you.

But it's upside down, user.

Those are words you will see extremely often in hentai, so you should learn them.

but why?

weird its right side up on my phone

just be happy im not taking pictures of Hayarigami or Heisa Byouin

He's telling people not to give up, 諦める is the better choice. You could say 日本語に負けるな or something if you wanted to but that's not his intent.

One thing I do when I'm too lazy to IME a kanji I don't know is, if it's part of a jukugo, look it up on goo.ne.jp quick for a 漢字項目 entry which provides examples of jukugo the kanji is used in for many characters which often contains the word I'm looking for. You should have been able to find it pretty easy with jisho though, the 忄 and 又 bits are pretty clear to see and will pull it up.

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Completely ignoring politeness and focusing only on grammar, in what situations would it be incorrect to use だ instead of です?

Scroll down here
guidetojapanese.org/learn/grammar/polite

Okay, so, it sounds like when I was told that "Xです" means "It's X" that was, at best, very misleading. It's more like just saying "X" by itself would be enough to say "It's X" and です just makes it polite rather than having any set meaning itself.

So then だ would be like "It's definitely X, no doubt." I don't understand why you can't be sure of yourself AND polite about it a la "Xだです", but I guess that's just a quirk of the language.

Because the whole idea of "politeness" in Japanese is not being assertive.

By stating something absolutely definitively, you are necessarily denying others their own opinion about it and forcibly challenging them to either agree with you, or not. That's not very polite.

Or something like that, anyways. Japanese politeness is some next level shit.

I think I learned in the wrong order.

Just read something else.

As i understood it, children books in Japan are written almost completely in kana because japanese children don´t know much kanji either.

Which makes it easier for them since they already know spoken Japanese, but usually harder for learners since kana soup is confusing.

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If he is already past beginner tier then there is no point in starting there.

He isn't past beginner tier user full stated he attempted to learn kanji before kana

As and said, they are helpful when you know the pronunciation but don't know the kanji, it reinforces the spoken vocabulary to make easier the written one.
user said he had a solid grasp of kanji, so he should read something with more Kanji.

よつばと still has kanji, it's just that the dialog by Yotsuba herself is in only kana which I assume is to show how young and simple she is. A ton of words are used mostly or only in kana so you have to learn them that way anyway.

No. What he is saying in the first 3 seconds is 諦めるなよ Followed by, 諦めるな、お前。.You can of course add よ after な to make it even more emphasized. Without 決して, that statement would be better translated as "don't give up".

Also, worth noting, sometimes the る is barely pronounced and comes off sounding more like a ん in super casual speech.

I'm thinking of switching to a KanjiDamage deck from Core 2k, as it sounds more like my learning style. Does anyone have experience with the differently ordered KanjiDamage decks, and an opinion on each?

I tried KanjiDamage and it sounds fucking retarded, I thought it was going to be funny, but the puns are lacking and the order of the cards are terrible, it doesn't have sound clips as core 2k does. I give it points because it teach you the stroke order and the general meaning of the Kanji when paired with others. However, I don't give a shit about stroke order since I don't think I'll be handwriting.
Core 2k have "group" of cards that show in order, like all the numbers and months, time related words, vehicle related words, plus the pronunciation.

Mnemonics, or at least the way KanjiDamage tries to do it, is a meme. You can make your own non-retarded mnemonics if that suits you, but the "Memes" or "Funny wordplay" of KanjiDamage is just terrible and way more time consuming than simply listening to the clip of Core 2k. There's way too much text in each card too. Maybe the browser/desktop version is better, but I tried it on AnkiDroid and never ever.

I got sick of reading よつばと about like 3 volumes in because it just wasn't interesting to me. Tits are a stronger motivator for me than kana.

I've thinking if it's viable to reinforce knowledge with Hentai. Once I learn a but more I'd like to do a recompilation of good hentai mangas, as long as they don't use too obscure shi or isn't just kana like Lolicon, it should be alright.

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Kanji Damage teaches you Kanji, Core 2k teaches you vocab. You're supposed to do both.

Hentai is great for practice. You learn every time you fap.

i like it when the anki voice gets lewd

I like it when you get lewd.

Was just having a discussion about Japanese singers, and so I misread that as Aniki's voice getting lewd

Learn important words for everyday conversation, like 精液、子宮、尿道、前立腺、奥の奥に掻き回して

And of course 中出しの喜び

If anyone's looking to get listening/speaking practice in, I've found that going to language exchange events via meetup.com is pretty decent for that. Should be Jap exchange groups in most major cities.

Hit dem books mate.

Listen dickhead I don't have internet on my desktop that I use for games. Not wasting the time that I could use to ridicule and make fun of faggots who fucking suck at JP and will never learn that shit because they are a bunch of pedantic autists instead of transferring that shit to transfer a screenshot to my phone or laptop.

The more and more I come to theae threads with the intention of helping people the angrier and angrier I get at te stupidity of the responses. This is just gonna be an endless circle jerk of nobody knowing shit because you're all to stupid and head stuck up your ass to actually listen to someone that has real world experience instead listen to dumbass video or website that tells you XYZ. Goddamn you're pathetic.

Exactly, man. I'm sick of these smug, entitled pricks. Fuck them. Let them squirm.

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Shut the fuck up you little shit.
>>>/out/

If you're the same normalfag who just tells people to go learn in Japanese bars, then you've never really helped anyone.

Whenever I need something to keep me going, I think of that autist and have myself a hearty kek.

Fag

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That may have been me. I'm not sure, it's been a few months since I frequented these threads but I do recall talking about izakayas being fun places to practice the language. Saying that, a more focused learning experience I find is better. So using something like italki or language exchange events. This is for speaking/listening, that is.

Speaking of which, does anyone have any suggested listening practice methods? The main problem I have is my speaking and pronunciation is pretty good; so people hear me, assume I'm fluent, then go full speed and lose me half a sentence in. I'm watching a Jap LPer at the moment and I can get the gist of everything he's saying (seeing what he's doing in the game really helps) but the sheer amount of shit I miss is depressing.

Good point. We should just play Goon Approved™ localizations instead.

Nah, he only comes in here to insult the thread. You're alright.

Listening is my weakest point as well, though I don't know any methods besides just listening to more stuff.

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I gave advice and constructive criticism but it was mostly ignored. But, what's wrong with being normal and having social interactions with people in actual real world context? Oh wait, forgot that I'm in the den of pedos that want to learn Japanese so they can jerk off to cartoons 12 year olds getting raped and understand what they are saying. Always tried to give advice but either it's "yeah I know better.txt" or "tae Kim says its like this.jpg". Someone really needs to gas this fucking thread. Sad, pathetic losers who will never learn Japanese. again what have you done with Japanese? Masturbate to some cartoons about a girl getting fucked? Or went out in the real world and learned a skill, uses it to fuck a bitch, get a job, use Japanese at a job, take care of yourself at a hospital, sing karaoke, have a conversation with a stranger, have a ton of conversations friends, or none of the above. You're all fucking pathetic. You want to learn a language to be able to beat off to some cartoons and you can't even do that because you're so fucking stupid.

Sounds like you've got a bit of a chip on your shoulder, son. I mean I spent the other day in Yoyogi park getting trashed with a bunch of Japanese guys, but I'm not exactly waving my dick about it. (yes I'm aware that by mentioning it I technically am now)

On an unrelated note. If any of you fuckers stay in Japan for any length of time, the pasta sauces from Co-op/コープ are fucking legit. Like 100円 after tax and they actually taste pretty damn good. Just add some spring onions that are the size of a small fucking child and you're gold.

Man it's been a while since I had that, kitchen's too small and I only have a hot plate so can't really boil water does mean I'm eating healthier though since I'm just cooking fresh meat and eating fresh fruit/veggies

Yeah, I've just got one hotplate in my apartment. I put the spaghetti in the pot and you can actually put the sauce sachet in the water with it to heat it up. Kinda neat.
I've been eating healthier, too. But only because I'm currently between jobs so without an income it's cheaper to not over-eat or go out too much. Which sucks because spicy curry with cheese from ココ壱番屋 is fucking amazing.

Watch a shit ton of anime with Japanese subtitles, or play VNs / JRPGs where the same lines are written and spoken.

Well you are kinda right. Actually have a lot of chips on my shoulder. Cause I did earn them.

Two can play at that game.
I've never actually had "わさビーフ" flavour before. Should be interesting.

Clever.

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They sure love their weird flavors. I thought they had a potato shortage though?

second one looks lewd

I'm well aware, it's why I said one could use 負ける if they pleased. I should have started the first sentence differently but still.

Practice makes perfect is the only method I'm really aware of. If you want ideas for listening material, I often watch or just listen to live streams. Having a chat interacting with the broadcaster and interacting yourself with the broadcaster/chat could help you pick up on some things you may not have otherwise in a plain video. If you like anime you might be able to find some recorded web radio based around some you like, which in my limited experience could either be like a drama cd (another potential option) or like a talk show type thing with the seiyuu.

Doesn't that require that you have some grasp of the language first? I'd be really ashamed if I can't follow a conversation or even understand anything at all. I don't feel prepared yet, and being shy doesn't help.
As someone else already pointed, VNs usually have audio and obviously written kanji. The problem is that they are really loud and clear for obvious reasons, but it's better than nothing. Watching simple shows like the latest Kamen Rider should help too, but finding Kanji subtitles should be hard, I think.

Actually, yes. Japanese are naturally anti-goons, and they have goon tactics of their own. Wonder how long will that last, but that's the best you have as for now.

Not all of us particularly like social interactions. There's nothing wrong with being normal, but I'm pretty sure not everyone here is or want to be normal, a lot of people here just want to read porn, after all. You fail to understand that most people here don't really want to even visit Japan or talk with an actual Jap, much less get out to meet one. Your advise is only useful for someone who wants to do that, which is perfectly ok, but you're a faggot about it.
I personally would love to go to Japan, but I live ion a shit country and meeting or talking with Japs could hardly be done via webcam or something, and yet I'm too shy. I'll probably use your advice in a year or two when I'm confident enough, until then is lolicon and VNs, and Anki.

That's how barriers work, user. Japanese is a language barrier that keep linshit noses out of games.

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Like I said you're a bunch of disgusting pedos. Hitler was wrong gassing the Jews, he should have gassed you, you sick disgusting degenerate
You were fucking played even before the milk man fucked your mum

I'm pretty sure I'm not the guy who goes into a thread to get asshurt so that would have to be you.

Well, you can always leave. I think that instead of giving you attention, this thread is better off just ignoring your biased ass.
Reminder that it comes from Japan and at least 80% of Jap media contains loli in some form.

You fucked up too, though.

So how does one practice vocab?

Of course the obvious answer is, "just read", but I can't very well read anything until I have at least a basic foundation of grammar in the first place. I'm trying to go through Tae Kim, but every single page is like the mental equivalent of pulling teeth. It's probably going to take me 6+ months to get through the whole thing, by which time I'll have forgotten nearly everything in the first half of the book.

It would be great if there was a version of his guide where all the example sentences have their English translation such that you have to highlight them to read them.

If you're reading it on his website, his example sentences do that until you reach the Advanced Topics section.

Start a vocab Anki deck.

I've found that being able to read the Anki examples is pretty satisfying. Try to play with the words you know and the particles you know too, which should be really basic. You can even try to post here to be bullied be corrected.
How so? I found Tae Kim to be very amusing. Sure, is not exactly thrilling, but at least the basic grammar section should be easy enough.

I found out that when I was looking for the spanish version of the guide, which is quite outdated, but still neet. I wish that could be implemented in the PDF version, the worst part of the PDF version is having to scroll back to read the word. But if you do Anki a lot it shouldn't be a problem after at least a month.
Additionally, I was thinking that an anki deck with the words that appear in Tae Kim's guide in order should be neat to use along the guide itself.

Wow you are so awesome and great please teach me how to be normal and awesome like you!

or, How about you go fuck back to Holla Forums? You sound like a goddamn retard that discovered here by accident.

How will vocab teach me grammar?

Basically, within 15 minutes of opening the guide I feel like screaming until my throat bleeds out of frustration and self hatred at my mental impotence. I just can't remember any of it, even content from a single day prior looks completely new to me when I try to make progress the next day. And every day that I try to make progress, I'm able to make less and less for a given amount of time because I have to skim everything that I've already covered to understand why the example sentences mean what he says they mean.

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You asked

Learn vocab first, then learn grammar by reading.

There's an Anki deck of his guide that features cloze deletion for the majority of cards. I think it just gives his example sentences and not the explanations so it's probably best used in conjunction with his guide. There are other resources you can use if you don't like Tae Kim. I really liked the A Dictionary of Japanese Grammar series which unsurprisingly is like a dictionary, not a textbook. You could use it to get a more in depth explanation for a particle or something you don't understand though.

Are you just reading the grammar guide? If you're having that much trouble with retention, try taking down physical notes. Write things down in a way that makes sense to you, not word for word. Make charts and tables if that helps. After you finish reading, try to explain to yourself as detailed as possible what you just learned without referring back to the guide or your notes. If you can do that, then that means you understand it. If not, try to figure out what confused you or what you didn't know and try again. Also slow down if you feel like you don't fully understand the basics yet, it's not a race. As says, you can also learn by reading. Pick out sentences from whatever you're reading and try dissecting the grammar and look up parts you don't know. Basically, find a way of learning that works for you. If learning feels awful, try to find a way that feels more fun/rewarding or else you won't last.

is genki any good?

Not really. It's mainly geared for classrooms.

is google translate any better?
i know that english is probably the easiest language to learn
but i used google translate for 4 years until i got a hang of it and started making my own sentences

What language were you going from to English? German? Spanish? Most commonly spoke languages would translate better on google then Japanese. I wouldn't recommend it, I've tried to do machine translations for doujins before and google translate is garbage for Japanese.

Google translate is notoriously bad for Japanese, since it relies a lot on context.

Spanish
translating spanish to english easy, yeah im a dumbass

Is this shit normal? Am I just an slow retard? I swear to god it consumes more time each time. And then other user said he did like 300 a day. HOW!?

But why is such a chore to you? How is it hard? Let me ask you, you learned kana already, right? Then jump to the basic grammar section and read it a couple of times, you should at least easily learn how particles work. You are not supposed to learn right away but have a basic understanding of what's going on in a sentence. Also, if you don't know things like extended vowels, just read the first chapter even if you know kana already.
Tae Kim teach grammar, user, not vocab. Anki is for vocab. Jump to anki and learn a few words if you must. Anki works at giving you words in kanji and it's pronunciation, that's how you learn.

I'd say that you needs a little bit of both to start, at least how to use particles and how the extended vowels work and maybe some conjugation. If you know that is easy to understand Anki's examples.

That's really easy, estupido, Japanese is a lot more complicated for machine translation. You could use google translate but mostly to translate from Japanese to english/spanish to see if what you wrote is correct, and even then it then to fail.

It would help to know exactly what you're studying and how you're studying.

I do about 12 cards a minute with vocab since it's just a matter of whether I recognize the word or not, but only 4 cards a minute with kanji since I write them all down.

There's no reason to learn Japanese for most westerners.

Holy shit. I just go normal with Anki, doing core 2k/6k but I have problems retaining both the word and the pronunciation so I repeat them many many times, and yet the next day I get wrong around 40%. I'll post my stats in a minuto, although it's Ankidroid.

Is that only the total for the last month? I've done maybe 1/3 of what you've done, and yet we have a similar total hours value. Why?

There's also no reason to play video games, but that's not stopping any of us, is it?

That's why.

I've been studying for years before starting this deck, so I was already somewhat familiar with a lot of the words. I also like to limit my review time every day, since I've experience burn-out before and I want to avoid that happening again.

Are you writing the words down? I find this helps a lot. I write out new words multiple times and try to use the pronunciation in some way to help me remember it better. It's a bit of work but worth it to me.

If you have problems with retention then you should do less cards per day.

I don't really like hand write so I avoid it.

I'm doing 15, an user mentioned he did even more, so I thought I was being a pussy. I did 10 before, so I'll do that again, and if it doesn't help, 5, I guess, but that will seriously hurt my pride.

Don't worry about that at all. Everyone has a different pace, and if you try to do too much you will burn out and fail.

You can always increase your cards later if it gets too easy, but because of the way Anki works it's a lot harder to lower your cards without restarting the deck.

Oh, I see. It is cumulative. Does it count the time between when you pressed "show answer" and "good/again/hard etc"? If that's the case, then my stats are padded, cause I answer the cards right away, but I take the time to listen to the audio clip, and I force myself to read and understand the entire example sentence.

I only do 5 new cards a day, because I don't want to spend 2 hours on Anki. Don't feel so bad about it, everyone learns at a different pace. If you don't want to reduce the number of cards per day, you could try doing cram sessions after your initial review. Doing so might help some words stick efficiently.

Not sure.

Who are you doing this for? Yourself, or to impress some user that won't give a fuck anyway? This isn't a contest. Go at a pace that you can manage and find ways to enjoy learning or you'll just be miserable.

Alright, I won't push myself that much, and less time in anki is convenient, although 15 cards a day sounds really good considering that in 10 days you'd get 150 seen.

also take the time to listen to the clip and understanding the clip, but just the with new cards, if that helps, compare mine to yours, maybe.

You can even lower the new cards down to 0 if you want some days to just review without worrying about new material.

It doesn't. I think by default it also stops your time at 1 minute, probably to prevent going afk ruining your stats too much. If lowering your new cards doesn't help a fair bit, I'd say you should certainly take extra/different steps to increase your retention whether it be writing words out, mnemonics, radical/kanji study, or whatever works for you as that again count really isn't too good.

Bump.

You fags would be better off learning to make games so you could make hardcore unpoozed games instead of reading retarded visual novels and playing the same dumb jrpg for the billionth time

Yep. Then you reach a kanji that's new to you. It's hell. I learned I can't read manga until mastering kanji and kana, then I need to read kanji heavy stuff and work backwards.

Anyone know how Franken Fran is to read? I imagine it's a bitch with medical terminology.

How was Kuuga anyway? Not generally a fan of Heisei Riders myself.

Better - learn both, and make more hardcore games in Japanese.

I wish they'd go back to shooting Kamen Rider in 60 fps. It made it actually feel more real.

And you look it up and learn it? What's the problem?

Yes.
If you don't review you forget, and the number to review increases. Learning new cards is easy, it's reviewing that's time consuming and soul crushing when you forget and lose progress.
I don't use anki as I found I was reading but couldn't conjure any images up if I had to write. It was blurry so I made flash cards and write out things daily. It's hell, but I'm not spending a fuck ton of money on university for this shit. Kinda sad though, as if I'm ever fluent I won't have any qualifications to show and prove it.

Can't you use the JLPT for that?

It breaks the flow, and maybe I'm retarded, maybe my pocket dictionary is shit. But looking up kanji is a nightmare.

Not sure what that is, but I'm not American and I assume most here are. I also can't afford to pay for tests or whatever that is.

It's easy if you use the radical search on jisho.org

jlpt.jp/e/index.html

Is it free?

It's only $60 in the US, dunno about your country.

That's honestly not a bad idea and I might try to do it, since I'm fairly young. Still, it's really easier said than done. If you want to make a good game you should at least be a competent coder and programmer, then you need to have some art skills to make the assets because commissioning is seriously shit, and doing it in another language completely not only reduces your window of profit, if you aim to make any, but it can also go horribly wrong, and that also applies to the other ones.
Notice how small western devs are either capable programmers that can't draw for shit or make any decent visuals for the game, or are really good artists with pasta-tier codes held together by good intentions and usually buggy as hell or even unplayable. Shit engines like RPG makers work for anyone with good ideas that can't draw or code that good, but it's a harder gamble than Kickstarter.

I haven't finished Kuuga yet because the sub guys haven't completed it yet and I didn't know, and at the pace they go, they release 5 episodes like each 6 months or so.
As for how it is, is fairly good, Godai reminds me of Showa era protagonists, and it doesn't have as much drama as all the others, but it still is the first step of turning the franchise into a soap opera with monsters and armors. Give Kabuto a try, Den-O is the first step of turning the franchise into a kid's show instead of a family show, but it's still pretty good. kamenriderguide.weebly.com/

So do I, but they usually enhance the frame rate with the release of the DVDs or Blu-Rays.

For me is both. I usually repeat cards A LOT to even remember how to pronounce them just to forget them the following day plus the ones I thought I knew but then I forget. It's painful indeed, but new cards are more time consuming for me. The review cards appear every 10 mins, there's any way to change that to 1 min like new cards?
Same, but I'm not looking for writing stuff since I'm only interested in listening, reading and of course speaking. I guess that I could try to get into writing later, but with phones and PC dictionaries you just need to know the pronunciation of words and they write it automatically.

Try using an app called Kanji Study. Is fairly easy to use and have a lot of conjugations for kanjis, Kun-Yomi and On-Yomi, and examples in sentences, although, as for now, no voice clips, although they are planned.

I've watched Kabuto and it's alright, the only Heisei I really really got into though was Drive.

Writing helps you remember, so it's useful for learning reading.

Too time consuming. What I do is practicing some of the words I have in any text program, trying to do combinations and the such, like for example 「私の家は駅の近です」, it might be grammatically wrong, but playing with words is fun for me. I've never been too fan of hand write in any language anyway, but for each his own, user.

I'll watch it once I finish with Blade, then.

Good luck man, actual native speakers have a hard time understanding the lines in that show sometime.

You control both the importing and exporting at that point. The only way it could get better is to run your own translation company and steal contracts from pozzed "localization" companies.

You can do it, user. Start now, or you'll just be in the same position five years later, wishing that you had.

Kabuto isn't too great. It's enjoyable only for the protag being a cool guy gary stu. I can't bring myself to like Drive because I hate it's "EHHHHHHHHHHHHH?!" style of comedy. It only got worse in Ghost.

Yeah, Kabuto is mostly good for 「お婆ちゃんが言ってた」 I can get not getting into the comedy parts of Drive, and I can't really explain well why I watched all of it considering it's mostly pretty standard Heisei but dear god the Drive Saga movies for Chase and Heart are so good. Chase's especially, the ending of it only needed a narration about a lonely hero's neverending fight to protect humanity to feel like the end of a Showa Rider episode.

Yeah I always hear from people that like Drive that Chase and Gou were the best parts of it. Few others say Shinnosuke himself was their favorite part but that's few and far between.

Don't blame ya for not getting into Heisei era Riders too much. They are a bit too comedic and toyetic for most people's sake. Which only gets worse in the Neo Heisei half. Surprisingly, even after watching so much tokusatsu, I've picked up very little japanese along the way. Maybe I just don't pay attention enough or maybe it has to do with translations issues across various groups. With some like TV-Nihon choosing to not translate some of the more complicated words for "authenticity".

Yeah, pretty much, Tendou is my favorite protag for that reason, and the music in the action scenes is top notch. A shame the story was rushed as most Heisei era endings, the movie would have been a nice tie-in to the beginning of the serie if it wasn't retarded and just made as a money sucking summer movie. Webm related made me cry, though.

I'll try, user, but a lot of shit will happen soon.
でも俺は頑張ります

I haven't read it in Japanese yet but I know it uses furigana so that will make it easier to look up words you don't know. Just take a quick look at a few random pages to see how difficult it seems, or if you're worried about spoilers just dive in and if it's too much come back at a later date. You should get used to breaking away from media to look up words quickly because you'll have to do it for quite a while. You can just go off context trying to understand words to your best ability, but there's times where you'll be better off looking stuff up.

If a vid I watch has subs I turn them off if possible, gets in the way of understanding what the characters are actually saying half the time.

I will say I did like Shinnosuke by the end especially in the Drive Saga with Heart but the show as a whole was really stolen by Chase, Gou, and Heart.

Fucking hell yes it was

btw if anyone is looking for a fairly active Japanese imageboard to practice reading net speak, try this
endchan.xyz/librejp/

That's pretty interesting. I don't think I'd get very far without a basic idea of Japanese though. I've been too lazy to finish going through the books I have to teach me.

why don't you guys learn a useful language like Mandarin?

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I've heard worse about the Japanese

Then you've heard wrong

Such as?

His goon friends told him that they're misogynists. :(

Embed related. I'll make a webm to post it every so often and cut the commercial.

Pretty informative, thanks user.

I've been learning Mandarin but I think I should make the switch. I'm really struggling with the tones and I don't have a huge motivation to keep at it. If I set goals of being able to read a manga or play through a game (things I might actually want to do in Japanese) then I'll probably stick with the learning. That vid was helpful, thanks.

So what does the speech bubble in the first OP image say? Something about getting one of the services instead of masturbating?

What motivated you to start learning Mandarin in the first place?

Break it down.

more than fapping
this way
is fun

"Wouldn't this be more fun than fapping!?"

You can really only learn a language you care about doing shit with

Thanks, ぴゅんより was (and still is) causing me issues, I can't seem to find it on Jisho, how does it equate to "more than"?

The ぴゅん is an onomatopoeia for cumming, and the より is "more than" whatever came before.

より is the part that means more than. しこしこぴゅん is just that characters childish way of referring to fapping. しこしこ = rubbing, ぴゅん = squirting

Oh, I wasn't familiar with より, thanks!

guidetojapanese.org/learn/grammar/comparison

archive.is/wJOAB
How much longer until SJW force their way to Japan? The article os retarded, but lately there have been some focus in "problematic" Japan.

If they can make it past the Olympics unscathed then they should be fine. That's what's drawing a lot of attention there lately.

I'm pretty sure the opening ceremony is gonna include Miku so I think we're good.

Good to know, it would be depressing to learn the language just un time to see it getting pozzed.

I know, I am just astonished by the irony that those who call themselves compassionate, and full of empathy are incapable of learning a separate language to actually understand other viewpoints.

if you look at 80% of Japanese shit you'd realize that most of it doesn't revolve around cartoon and video games.

Damn dude did you get that ¥20,000 starter futon that your cheapass English school bought you

Talk about weird see pic related

Also wtf goddamn

Why is everyone such a pleb?
Who would choose salsa? There's hundreds of chips that already have that

God I hate this planet

I am repelled and fascinated by you at the same time. But yeah they always get rid of the good flavors and stay with shit it fucking blows my mind. Here is some tsukunepiman that I had my friend make because I saw it on 孤独のグルメ

Ah shit sorry for the double post the pic didn't upload.

Go back to facebook fucking normalfag RRRRRREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

Sorry mate should have posted picture of 10 year old girl, forgot where I was. Got you with that 2D though

I only give a shit about 20% of Japan then. What are you going to do about it? There's also music that derives from both manga an anime, though, they also have a relatively interesting culture and traditions, but those would come second to manga and anime.

How often do they release new flavors? Are they really that different? I think that if I ever go there I'd be broke from buying weird shit. Also, are they expensive?

Pity web.archive.org/web/20170222084555/http://www.newgrounds.com/art/view/theshadling/mother

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Please stop shitposting.

Holy fuck guys I figured it out. Moonrunes aren't a real language, they're just a super complex form of censorship!

If you take the runes and move them to the side, you can clearly see the English text underneath!

what the fuck

That's what you can expect from someone making such low-tier bait

I think it was supposed to be a joke.

With how many (1)s we get shitposting it's really hard to tell

Duolingo supports Japanese now, it's a hell of a lot better than Memrise.

that living in working in Japan video where the guy ended up moving to China

Normalfags need to get serious

Streaks of what?

How many days in a row you've studied for

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Ah, fair enough.

Anyone want to friend me on here and we can compare learning? This is seriously the best app I've found for learning moon. It makes learning fun.

But learning is already fun for me.

I can make it more fun.

what app

Boring learning apps aren't as fun as playing games.

Last I saw, they were having trouble getting nipponese to work, a few years back. Surprised they actually got it.

Its still in its beta phase last I used it (couple weeks ago) so its got some pretty basic functionality. Once you get to the point where its got multiple pronunciations for some kanji, the character pairings and voicing starts to break down. Also once you get to a certain point, none of the new words are voiced at all, but by then you'll likely have enough of an understanding of the pronunciation based on grammar that you should be able to voice them to yourself. Its a pretty solid app to use if you have something else to teach you actual grammar rules, because the app just throws words and phrases at you without explaining why things work the way they do. Duolingo is mostly for people who need some standard conversational skills for travel/business purpose and less of a single method for really learning the language. Its very handy to have something to use on the go while you're on the bus or train or something though.

There's a big difference between Duolingo and Memrise though. One is only good for vocab and the other teaches really basic grammar, a few words and phrases.

How do japs even tell the difference whenever they speak?

What's the best place to learn Kanji? Most of the I know simply give you a kanji and the translation and that's it. They don't explain how the kanji is made of other kanji or even how it is pronounced.

They probably tell the difference based on context. And some sentences are probably fine with both early and fast as meanings. And they're used to it.

mindtwisted.com/
It's called Kanji study, and I usually recommend it, it's a pretty basic Kanji dictionary, it have radicals, as in how it is made, and traces, even to practice, although is Android only, and doesn't have voice clips.
The thing with this is that Kanji usually can have like 4 different pronunciation and it usually depends on the Kanji that accompanies it, it's an On-Yomi and Kun-Yomi thing. I use Kanji as an aid study to learn the general meaning of an specific Kanji, but other than that you're better off just learning vocab, user, with something like Kanji Study just for aid.

I figured as much. Still there should be some cases where the difference should be important, but I'm also guessing this is how japanese comedy and puns work.

You shouldn't learn that with kanji anyway.

Here, let me give you a neat example
Pretty neat till then, right? But here are pronunciations.
The pronunciation, despite being the same symbols, doesn't sound remotely the same or even close. This is one of the many reasons I think Japanese is retarded, but once you get used to it it isn't that bad, just know that some kanji have different pronunciation, for example, 「今」 attached to 「週」 and 「月」 makes 「今月」 and 「今週」 which are both pronounced 「こんしゅう」 and 「こんげつ」 respectively, so 「今」 in this 2 cases sound like 「こん」

Thanks, that's the kind of thing I was looking for

Yeah I know that, but it's still nice to know how kanji are pronounced on their own.

Check out WaniKani. It's a paid service but they teach kanji pronounciation + reading and meaning mnemonics. I've learned ~250 in just over a month.

Don't listen to this faggot. Moments where you manage to correctly deduce the reading and meaning of a word because you knew the kanji on'yomi and kun'yomi readings are priceless.

Use whatever the fuck makes you stick with the routine and makes you learn the damn thing.

Well yeah, but you learn those through vocab and practice. There's no reason to learn them without context while studying kanji.

Like how many times? Also, the pronunciation usually changes radically, like 「学校」 and 「学生」, or there are pronunciations used just for a single word. It's easier to just practice vocab because chances are you you will learn the different pronunciations of the kanjis along the way anyway. Basically you're doing 2 things at the same time, so learning Kanji pronunciation is a waste of time, although meaning is not, because that's not necessarily implied in compounds.

Something you learn through practice, is that the 学 in those both actually use the same reading. がくこう just sounds weird, so it becomes がっこう.

Obviously you shouldn't learn it in isolation. You should be learning kanji together with the vocab that makes up that kanji. I'm just saying that the reading(s) of a specific kanji shouldn't be ignored, it can be a very powerful reading and comprehension assistance.

Check out duendecat.com/ by the way, awesome resource where you can just punch in your kanji proficiency and it'll spit out sentences containing only that kanji for reading practice.

Rosetta Stone if I have the money and time?

Not even worth it for free.

May I ask what is incorrect with it?

There are a lot of resources that are cheaper / free and do a better job.

Pirate it and see for yourself if you're that interested.

Thank you for the concise and direct answer.

As the other user said, you can learn the difference meaning of them from vocab unless it is really uncommon. It's not really that important either, not something you will do every day, but when I see a new kanji I looks for it just to know the meaning.
That page sounds nice, thanks.

No I think you should learn the individual meanings, just not the readings.

Why do Japs still insist on these ridiculous censorship laws when they already unquestionably make the most fucked up porn in the world?

Pretty sure the government doesn't like to encourage that, they don't like being seeing like perverts and weirdos, which is why the panty selling machines were removed like a decade ago and they tried and will most likely try again to prohibit lolicon.

Well, that's not what you said, but I agree.

By the time I learn Japanese there wont be any Japanese left to talk to.

implying japs won't survive isolated on their little clutch of islands long after communists take over and ruin every white country

Considering how many children I see everywhere, I'm convinced the low birth rate is an exaggeration Abe propagates to justify upping the retirement age and trying to let more immigrants into the country.

The general talk about extinction is greatly exaggerated, like somehow every single japanese person would decide to stop breeding is retarded alarmist propaganda touted by the west in order to justify immigration. I would say the population is just correcting itself, since I don't think such a small island was supposed to have 100million people on it.

Nah, it's just a doona on a standard western spring mattress. I'm currently staying in a gaijin-house apartment in Tokyo on a working holiday. Got an interview with a company this afternoon, though.

So you mean like how large overpopulated cities are full of gay and suicidal people

Japan, at least major cities, were full of suicidal people, though.
You know what is a bit sad? Japanese authorities are trying their best to make the country "western approved normal" to be seem like normal in the rest of the world's eyes, so the Olympics will probably be boring. I hope not, but still.

Eh I don't know, some dude offing themselves at the olympics would be kind of rude. I could at least see them trying to clean up a bit before the games. Especially when you consider wasn't brazil's a little bit of a mess?

Brazil tried it's hardest to fix it's shithole before the Olympics, which resulted in tons of money burned in infrastructure that wasn't even done by the time the Olympics took place. In the meantime that pissed the poor as fuck niggers, aka at least 80% of Brazil's population, because they thought that money should have been wasted on them rather than infrastructure.

I get why countries get hyped for hosting an event like the Olympics, but they are supposed to celebrate the different cultures around the world, and it's the point for making it in different places each time. It is also an excellent opportunity for business, so I guess that Japan's politicians are probably trying to show the world they are perfect and not weirdos so more people can invest in their non-weird business. I think that sucks because I don't think their culture is weird, is just extremely different, and they should embrace it and highlight it, I understand them not wanting to be an stereotype, but suppressing your culture, whether is pop or ancient, sucks. Although an user said there was going to be Miku, so that's cool. Also, I wonder what stance will the Yakuza take about the whole thing, probably contribute seeing how they fucking love their country.

Can I repeat free trials Amazon style?

Outdated as fuck.

How did they fail the first time?

Personally I think both acquainting yourself with kanji readings solely through vocabulary or learning readings in the context of vocabulary while also noting them quickly when reviewing kanji afterward are both fine methods. Thinking of the readings quick doesn't really take any significant amount of time if you're already going to be reviewing kanji meaning or makeup anyway. But as said, very highly recommended to learn kanji with vocabulary, not in isolation.
As said by there are times where a kanji can be read multiple ways. To give a rough idea of how often, 368 of my 1795 Anki kanji cards are registered as having either two or more onyomi and/or kunyomi readings. However in a few cases I may not have a reading registered accidentally or because it's relatively uncommon and I don't typically include rendaku unless such a reading is separately listed in a character dictionary I use. In my experience, when a kanji has multiple onyomi, one of them is often more commonly used.

The birth rate is down because they're no longer following the unsustainable baby-factory family system.

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Jesus christ, that actually looks like a scene from an anime where they emphasize how awfully crowded swimming pools are. If you just want to get wet to stay cool, why not just draw a cold bath and stay home? You don't have to travel, you don't have to pay $5 for a hot dog, $4 for fries, $3 for a 8oz coke… And most of all, it's not crowded, it's quiet, and you could even do some fooling around with your wife/girlfriend.

I don't mind the pronunciation part of Rosetta stone, but I do have an issue with how they go from…

to

Like what the fuck, really? I can barely say "little girl," and you're throwing me curve balls with all this shit?

今日日 = きょうび meaning, "nowadays".

They couldn't prohibit sexual representation of minors in media like manga and anime because that would go against free speech, there's also the economical and cultural aspects, it was always accepted and sells well, so why they should stop? Because foreigners are pressuring them.
As far as they went is that actual CP was widely spread wildly and it went like that for years until 2014, it went from a minor felony which you needed to pay with money for to a felony of just 1 year, and the funniest part is that they gave people who had CP one year to get rid of it, since then they've been raiding pedos.

Heh.

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5 bucks isn't a bargain?

I can get it for free with a more honorable method: kidnap & rape

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Doesn't work since it's free up to level three, but paid after those levels. But you can spend as much time as you want on the three first levels without paying though.

What does it mean when a card is marked as a leech and suspended?

Also, any difference between 始める and 始まる?

It's not rape if she enjoys it.

To be fair, sex should be more expensive, specially with such a cutie, and it includes all the previous options.

It means you failed it a lot of times. Change your deck setting so that leeched cards are only tagged so you don't have to keep unsuspending them.

始める is transitive, 始まる is intransitive.

Thanks user, how do I unsuspend the card, then?
Looks like I'll kill myself once I reach there.

It looks like suspended cards are put into the suspended category on the browse window. Just select the ones you want to unsuspend and click the suspend button at the top, I think.

Here, idiots, a correctly formatted OP for the next thread to whoever wants to make it once we reach page 12. If anyone have any suggestions or anything, just change them yourselves.
pastebin.com/2MKAndcP
>>>/test/52589

Better not have replaced the links with dolphin porn.

As someone who has taken some college level Japanese language courses a few years ago, where would I best start getting back into learning Japanese? I've mostly forgotten the grammar and kanji, I still mostly remember what the hirigana and katakana alphabet looks like, though I never did completely memorize the katakana one so I'll do some refreshers on those. Otherwise, where should I start?

I'm at the same point. I'm beginning to restore my knowledge of grammar before kanji because kanji is scary.

How's that working out for you? I still remember stuff like て form, the difference between る and う verb conjugations, and If I remember our classes went up until how you say something is currently a thing, like ちょうと日本語を話していっている, if I remember that right. It's mostly the small details I don't remember.

Pretty much have to start from the beginning if all you really know is some of the kana and some basic other stuff, but you should be able to pick stuff up faster the second time around. Guide is in the op. 話している, but as you said that's for indicating a verb's ongoing state, not ability to do the verb which I feel seems to be what your sentence was going for.

I still recognize some phrases and certain vocab if I hear it in anime, for example. I actually occasionally go "that's not how I'd translate that" or "that's just completely wrong" when I see some poor subbing. Also yeah I know 話している is indicating an ongoing state, but from what I remember it's different than 話していっている in that it was a new tense. I need to find my old workbook. I think we used Genki. It was one of the last things we learned and its bugged me for years once I forgot the specifics

I don't think that conjugation exists.

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