Chart and Infograph Thread

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Fair warning, the prone fix doesn't actually make your hitbox smaller

Does anyone have the big collection of Doom Wad suggestions?

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Don't think

Please don't user, the summerfags might think it's serious.

That should be 'don't think I've got that one' not a general statement not to think, that would be silly.

Yakuza really doesn't deserve to be on there, atleast put in 0 or the Remake. I know it's an older list but even then 2 would've been better.

I see what you did there fag

I was about to give you another 'fuck off to cuckchan' then I realised that this shit is sarcasm/advanced 4d chess fagfilter, and then I realised the Poe's Law has been in effect since 2007.

So. You are funposting. Right? RIGHT~?

From what I remember the original list is ~2 years old and it has been edited more recently, at least I've seen anons working on it here in the last year. I could try and add that Yazuka game but I'll literally be using paint. Do you have a cover for it?

Why isn't Tiberian Twilight in the trash too?

As a whole it's a good list. I can't imagine the justification for Double Dash over MK8 though.

Didn't make it user, will fix it with my top-tier paint skills after I work out how to add that Yakuza game.

Isn't Double Dash a more unique game? I don't really follow that subgenre personally. Also as a rule of thumb with anything Holla Forums the older is going to win out all else equal.

The two character gimmic is unusual though I know atleast crash racing games at the time copied it, the base gameplay isn't nearly as good as MK 8 though. Could just be a lack of space issue but Sonic All Stars Transformed seems like it ought to have been on there too.

That's close enough.

I mean there's room to cut Double Dash for MK8 but I don't think there's something else to cut out to add Sonic All Stars and I'd have thought not having a MK game would be a bit extreme. If you've got suggestions I could have a shot. Also not sure about later crash games but CTR is actually superior to MK games of the time, perhaps the only clone to ever conclusively outdo the original.

Oh fuck, is that the wrong Yakuza? My bad, will fix.

i wouldnt call 1st nolf a stealth game. u rly can just run and shoot except for few missions where its forced and designed to.
2nd game on the other hand can easily be called stealth, and is also very good

I'd say cut Double Dash for MK8 but I can't suggest what to remove for SASRT. Think the Crash racing games declined sharply after the first one like the rest of the Crash series after the playstation.

Now with the actually correct Yakuza game replaced.

Thanks, another change I'd make is Pikmin over Pikmin 2 but I know people would fight me on that here. It always felt like they removed most of the difficulty by taking away the timer.

Give me a cover fag, probably for the WiiU version since I think that's more liked.
Definitely, the peak of the series is Crash 2/CTF/Bash.

I don't know enough about Pikmin either way to make that call user. Any opinions ITT?

NICE

I FINALLY FUCKING FOUND IT HOLY SHIT

i also edited it to fit that yakuza game that one user was talking about

CTR*

Subtle user, very subtle.

list is kinda fucked, ill edit it in a sec to make it "nicer"

Does anyone have a 3ds recommendation chart?

Found this in the doom thread's OP but you'd probably be better to go ask them for other charts

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Whoops, that first one shouldn't be there.

here's the fixed version OF THAT FUCKING CHART

maybe this will tickle your fancy

Better bruh.

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There we go.

Thanks, didn't see the request at first.

What's the difference between beat em up and hack and slash?

No problem, now I'm deciding if it's worth starting on a new strategy chart. If I'm feeling autistic enough I might have a shot at it for other genres afterwards.

Are we including fan games on the list? If so I nominate Sonic: After the Sequel and Project M.

Also I'd say add Spark the Electric Jester, but people would think I'm a shill

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I think it'd be better not to, just because we then have to deal with things like the Dark Mod and we're here all day. I mean I don't know lots about either but are they outright better than any existing game from their category? If so then maybe.

THUGPro is already on the list, which surprised me, so it's most definitely possible.
I didn't even know people knew about that mod, any of you guys want to skate once Openspy is back up? I could make a thread and everything.

You ought to make a seperate list for that I think.

I'm not talking about mods, but rather conversions.

Also your list is missing Custom Robo, Golden Sun, Splatoon 2, Nier Automata, Sonic Adventure (not the second one), both Touhouvania's and Rance

side scroller, walk right, beat dudes up. See final fight, cadillacs and dinos, captain commando
use weapons to slash or gore people apart, 3d environments, usually combos involved and its the line between hack and slash and character action is kinda blurred

I don't think that beat em ups are all side scrollers, m8.

I think we should include the large scale conversions like Project M and THUG PRO. Maybe even indie shit like Spark and Touhou

Oh, replace Persona 4 with Persona 5. It's a much better game and I think Holla Forums feels the same way.

granted, but im just generalizing. Beat em ups, hack and slash and character action go kind hand in hand

also i honestly refuse to believe this is a legit user. i think this is mark trying to subvert this glorious autism chart

I was mostly confused by Golden Axe and Captain Commando being in different categories. But whatever, I'm autisming and Phoenix Wright is in puzzles, as long as there are a bunch of cool games it should be a decent list.

I'm not sure JOPs, Delta Force 2, Landwarrior Goldeneye, and even Shadow Warrior are really best of the best and they look like they just exist to fill out open slots. Better to leave them rolled into fps. Actually I'm tempted to drop Ghost Recon 1 and swap in Soldier of Fortune 1, much though I love GR1 it hasn't aged well.

I'm not sure I could describe it but I think they should remain separate.

Not all beat em ups are side-scrolling.

I see the argument considering THUG exists, if you can spot a game in their existing sections that can be swapped out (I'm not adding any more titles) then go for it.
Don't know enough about shumps to know which Touhou to add and which game to swap it for, suggestions please.

I don't know enough to talk about Golden Axe and Captain Commando but Phoenix Wright really plays more like a puzzle game than anything else unless it could fit in VN.

OY VEY

SHUT IT DOWN

but seriously I'm just giving my two cents, I know that Holla Forums DOES like Custom Robo, Nier, Sonic Adventure (if only for the speed stages), among other things. Maybe you guys shouldn't include Spark or 2huvania, but I highly recommend them.

Rance should be there though

well dont look at me, i didnt put it there. ill argue its a hack and slash cause of the use of weapons but eh.

also I noticed the later GTA's being IV and V aren't on there, is this because of the split in the community between them. many more people here lean towards IV, but I digress

I'm on Holla Forums a ton

Oh damn, that user was right.

If you want to make suggestions please provide covers and argue for the game to replace. Also assume we're using this chart since honestly I don't think games like delta warrior are good enough for 'best of the best'.

So for example if you want Splatoon 2 suggest a game in third person shooter to replace (probably Splatoon). I realise it's hard to pick but cuts must be made.

I think both IV and V were on the original chart, let me find it.

Charts are only good for individual series, the big one will eventually either be a list of every game ever made or need constant changes as the plebs opinions change with the passage of time.

agreed, its best to have them as guidelines for certain platforms, genres, series, etc.

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Here was the OG chart from years ago.

Hence the rule 'no more games can be added, only substitutions'. That at least prevents it getting any larger.
Also what the fuck even is Ghost Rider?

As I said fags, please suggest game to replace for a tomato, Custom Robo, Sonic Racer, Sonic Adventure etc etc. And I'm very open to sticking touhou on but I need to know which shump game can get cut since I have no knowledge of that genre at all.

Rance is that weird as fuck VN right?

I've always called it an adventure game because search item, use item on item/person but whatevs.

DMC+God of war in a marvel setting

Wait why isn't Ghost Trick on the list?

I would say

Add Custom Robo to Party Games since there are only three of them anyway. Additionally replace Persona 4 with Persona 5. I was gonna add more art, but I don't wanna add art without consensus.

fucking techape

Seems like the list maker is limited the games by a certain number.

We really should put a year on these charts if we're working by substitutions.

Going to stress this is the old chart, not the current chart.
Please don't get scared off anons, feedback is good. I just need you fags to suggest which games we should swap out to replace.
Also really, I like Delta Force 2 but is vidrelated really' best of the best essential?

Get out.

I'm making a chart for the best N64 games. One side for Single player and another for multiplayer. Any suggestions?

I mean you can argue that adventure games are really a sub-genre of puzzle game by that metric but also there's no space in adventure game.

Is there a game in its genre that it could replace? I'll happily swap it out in that case.

Could probably swap warioware for Custom Robo.

That's a good idea I'll add a 'last updated' text.

because Delta Force 2 and Landwarrior are fantastic tactical FPS games and deserve spotlight

ya know, we could add games to this list if the user editing it would make it longer that way everyone is happy and tactical FPS games stay in the image

I haven't played much in the way of weebshit user though I've been working on improving that. I've recently learned that not all JRPGs are shit, for example.

Put the font used, the text size used, the date last edited and the size (in pixels) of any game covers in a corner.

No, the image is too long already. No more games or it'll just creep larger and larger and we get the strategy chart again. Only substitutions. I'll swap out Landwarrior for Ghost Recon though.

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what the fuck is your major malfuction fogboy? we could EASILY solve EVERY problem by just expanding the width and height

Editing now, 5 minutes.

Could you give me actual size covers instead of thumbnails? They're smaller than the standard size used in the chart.

Could drop one of the Ace Attorney games or perhaps The Talos Principle for it.

If you'd actually suggest where to put it I could add it.

No. No more additions, only substitutions. And for fuck's sake Joint Ops is not actually an essential game no matter how fun it is in coop. Similarly Shadow Warrior (despite being rather good) is easily the weakest of the three best build engine games and isn't a 'must play or die' game. Suggestions like this lead to the chart in the OP, we do not want the chart in the OP.

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Sengoku Rance transcends weebshit and is legitimately one of the best games of all time even though it's a porn game.

Turn based tactics.

its either that or another delta force game, which is inferior to JO
its the same as blood and duke, but instead of horror movies and action movies, it parodies oriental films
you're chart is shit, hardcore shit and im probably going to make it 10x better because your autistic ass cant seem to settle

Have I missed anything?
Some games suggested did not have substitutions suggested so I couldn't add them.

I'll bump it up in my backlog then user. You have to understand sorting out actually great games from great by weebshit standards games is difficult, at least for someone without significant background in this (grew up mostly playing PC shit despite having a PSX for a significant portion of my childhood).
Can I get a cover for it? Also a suggestion on what to drop because that's a competitive category and I'm not adding another line to it. Unless it might fit under something else.

They're just filler in an already too long chart.
And with inferior gameplay. If anything I'd add Outlaws or Soldier of Fortune as another FPS.
Go for it faggot.

BULLY ME

AND SO IT WAS. KRIEG!

Nigger finish the fucking games you start.

.jpg instead of .png
JPEG is really shit for charts because the compression artifacts get worse every time you edit it. Even if you're using a private lossless source, it still makes editing the chart harder for other anons.

I can't speak for the Talos Principle myself since I haven't played it but I'm struggling to remove anything there that I have. I also can't believe Tetris somehow got removed from that section at some point.

ill add it back in. WITH MY 10x BETTER CHART

I've actually got it saved as a .bmp for local work pls no bully but I'm pretty sure a .png would be past the 12mb cap. Will test.

I cut Talos Principle if only because I don't think enough anons have got around to playing it yet. Ditto with not adding Persona 5 yet (it needs time to sink in).

And? Why you deleted your post? Because of few dublicates?

While I'm still suggesting things I feel like Bravely Default could get in the JRPG section but I'd want other anons to weigh in. As far as turn based mechanics get I don't see how it can get much better than that.

Saving it as a .png literally in paint makes a 43.1MB file, I'd have to drop the quality I think and then we're really back to the same game.

WITNESS HOW THIS POOR FOOL USES AN INFERIOR PROGRAM TO EDIT THIS INFERIOR CHART

There's your problem.

I mean I could also mess with it in gimp but I'm fairly sure you'll still just get a png with reduced quality anyway to upload for the 12mb cap. Once this thread dies down I'll zip up the bmp if you want.

More feedback is always good, JRPG already got cut to the bone as far as my knowledge extends.

Paint probably doesn't support PNG compression.

Still 30mb at compression level 9. Even the .jpg is pushing 9mb.

list is garbage

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Maybe this should be split into several smaller charts.

Look at the original chart here , the amount of nintendo shit has dropped significantly and cutting more than that out is just a vendetta against one company.
Oops.
user is apparently blind and gay.

Wat game to cut now user. Choose wisely.

Honestly I'll just upload it somewhere after for anons who want. I was going to make a smaller chart with more detail for each subgenre though.

NO. THERE IS A WAY TO OPTIMIZE THIS. THEN MY CHART WILL BE HAILED AS THE SUPERIOR ONE WHILE 293e3f CRIES INTO HIS WAIFU PILLOW OVER HOW SHIT TIER HIS CHART IS

He's complaining about stuff that isn't even true, Arx Fatalis and Nier are on there and nintendo is in 16 out of 38 categories.

I didn't answer because I only played one of the other games in that category, yes it was FF Tactics, shut up. I was hoping someone else would make that decision from me. Mark please.

I mean you're sure it couldn't be sneaked into JRPG and something from that cut?

Just get a PS4

Bloodborne is already on there.

Also does any fag know what Touhou shit to add?

look again

Well you say that, I don't think anyone noticed this user's subtle change …

These are images with pictures and words so they are related to this thread.

Bloodborne is a traitor japanese game. It's like Nintendo, abandoning its roots to pander to a western audience.

I've been updating this chart since it originally only went up to 2013, but does anyone have any better worse suggestions for games from 2013-15?

Sim City is fine since it was a huge PR fuck up too but in terms of actual profit I'm not sure Watch_Dogs is a blunder. It was a mild letdown that made enough cash to justify a sequel. Also Titanfall was 2014.

I mean that does depend on how you want to define blunder of course. Titanfall wasn't a particularly bad game but it was a flop for various forseeable reasons.

I actually just remembered the biggest blunder of 2014 about a minute before you made your post. Updating.

Oh fuck, you're right.

It would fit better in the turn based tactics category but if it can't be helped I guess cut Barkely, Shut Up and Jam. What the hell is that even.

Don't you dare talk shit about Barkley.

Not advocating cutting it but is there any reason it's box needs to be double wide?

I think it's because there's no official artwork of it with the title that fits in portrait.

The boxes are like that I'm afraid. Short of pushing Advance Wars into TBS instead of TBT (a bit of a stretch but you do manage very, very basic logistics) I'm stumped.

Oh, unless Rance can be classified as TBS. Do you handle long-term recruitment of troops or suchlike?

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Yes you do and I'm a fucking idiot for overlooking the turn base strategy category.

No problem user, I didn't realise either. Let me pick something to cut.

Okay, I swapped out Watch Dogs and Order 1886 with Rise of Lyric and Evolve. If 2015 had a bigger trainwreck than Evolve, I've probably purged it from my memory.

Looks good to me user.

Does anybody have the S.T.A.L.K.E.R. ones?
I haven't seen them in a while, and was wondering why that was.

Look here:

(most up to date one of these flowcharts)

Though if you ever need anything STALKER related ask the STALKER thread that's normally around, they'll hook you up. Also make sure to insist that there are i-frames when stalker get shot and ask what time_to_kill does. It'll go well.

Also you might want this.

Nah.

What was wrong with it? I don't typically play strategy games, I only played it cause it was halo

Are there any good Loonix vidya infographs? I don't like rebooting.

It was an RTS dumbed down massively to work on consoles (and more importantly with a controller), pretty much a babbies version of a normal RTS.
I mean honestly it's probably in the upper-tier of console RTSes by dint of being halfway playable (along with C&C95's ports and R.U.S.E.) but that isn't a major achievement in the RTS genre as a whole.

Silent Storm should really be in TBT

It shits the bed hard when Panzerkleins show up unless you know somewhat gamey tactics to deal with them.

Collapsing buildings on them when applicable works well.
though i haven't played SS in forever.

Since when are these joke games?

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It's not a tier list, it's stacked from entry-level to obscure.

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Since they were released

Sure but then you lose out on looting them. The real annoyance is late game you've got to build yourself around fighting them (or use them yourself) when really the game was best as a small scale commando affair.

Are there any charts for good capeshit games? I remember there being one, but it was a bit short.

you don't understand user, we need to hate everything that's popular or we're shills.

does this count? :^)

vaginas are really gross ;w;

Maybe replace Azura's Wrath with River City Ransom in Beat'em Up

Sengoku Rance can replace that loli game in Visual Novels for all I care

Nier: Automata could replace Ghost Rider in Character Action

I'd also like to see Hotline Miami 2 in this list, if there's no room in Run and Gun could it be included in Rhythm & Music (since Jet Set Radio is there too). Maybe replace Rocksmith with it?

That's my two cents, otherwise this list looks quite nice compared to the original one I made years ago

you fucking virgins
it feels like heaven with the dick in there

You're fucking disgusting, man

f-females are weird…

so would you say they're an alien concept to you?

I wanna have a cute alien boyfriend :3

just 4U

I would dump my charts if you guys weren't such a bunch of summerfags.

I've been here since spring 2015

Post'em, faggot

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He is dead.

no OC 4U

Oh, you're the original chart maker? That makes some degree of sense. We already got Sengoku in.
The consensus is HM2 is inferior to HM1, is it not OST aside anyway? Certainly I'd agree with that.
Will do.
Has the hype around it settled down enough for anons to be objective?

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Fuck off.

Asked anons about 5 times to recommend a Touhou game (and a game to replace) in this very thread, no responses. If you'd like to then feel free (also provide a cover for it).

Imperishable Night, Mountain of Faith, EOSD.

Pick your favourite two of those three (three games from a single series is excessive and only to be done for the truly exceptional) and choose two shumps to swap out (that second part is the hardest bit of modifying chart). Also if you could explain why you picked those two games to drop that'd be good.

Alternatively one SNES game could go but I rather doubt either of those could be removed, classic as they are at least so those with more experience with shumps shouted at me when I asked if I could remove one earlier.

IN and MoF are the best because of their soundtrack, they also come after EOSD which means they have the quality of life improvements that came later. The boss fights are also better because of the quality of life. They're not gimmicky like some Touhou games but you don't have to deal with the jank of EOSD.
Not sure which ones I'd remove, so it'd probably be best to see if you can't add without removing.

Right, that's easier (unless I could push you further to cut it down to one to make it easier to fit in, if it's impossible to choose we can go with two).
No more additions, only substitutions. This rule is to prevent the already large chart from growing larger. If any other anons with experience with classic shumps would speak up that'd be good. I might be able to make one slot myself but you'd have to drop a Touhou game for that to work and no guarantees.

fucking LOL

I think I have a solution but you'll have to pick only one of those two Touhou games to put on.

Definitely Imperishable Night.

I was too lazy to wait and just went with MoF since you seemed to favour the newest one earlier, feel free to come back and shout at me for not choosing Imperishable Night instead (really though it'll take me maybe 5 seconds to swap them if you want). I kinda bent my 'don't add more games rule and made space for one more since Touhou is an exceptional case that I agree has to be included and shump a pretty competitive genre that I don't think can be cut more. First and last time.

Fuck, I knew it'd be the one I didn't pick. Changing it now.

Also changed: Added Soldier of Fortune instead of Delta Force 2: Land Warrior (it's a fine game but SoF has aged much more gracefully). Added Microsoft Flight Sim X: Gold Edition instead of Blazing Angels (much as I love BA it isn't an all-time great), renamed that category to 'Flight' instead of 'Flight Combat'.

Forgot to say: it was put in instead of TripleA in TBS. Also you leave Unteralterbach alone.

Do you anons have the latest Nintendo DS chart?
I want to compile those games and make a nice package for downloadan

Objectively it is the better option, and a worthy inclusion

boypussy is better.
I'm actually just fishing for (you)s and you almost fell for it

You mean this one?

Also you should add Freelancer in Simulation probably.
and why the hell isn't Elite Beat Agents in rhythm games? Add it there ASAP

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Give me a cover then fag.

Suggest a game to replace. Actually I'd drop PaRappaTheRappa from rythym if anons didn't have excessive nostalgia for it, it doesn't actually play that well in practice.

The only truly great Witcher game is there under ARPG though it really fits more under generic RPG (ran out of room).

I mean, yeah they feel great, but that shit isn't very pleasant to ogle when I'm not in boner-mode.

Is now added.

Still waiting on suggestions on what to replace from you. If I don't hear back in ~30 minutes I'll just kill PaRappa to add Elite Beat Agents.

Ayyy, Power stone is definitely a party game not a fightan. Swap it with melee

Shit nevermind, I thought rival schools was powerstone for a moment. I'm dumb.

Melee is not a fighting game.

Ah, never mind then.

I suppose out of those games it could replace Rocksmith but if you really must you can kill Parappa for it

I'm going to do it and blame you if anyone complains. Any ideas for Freelancer? I always felt Kerbal was a bit FotM but it's not really my type of game anyway.

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Actually if you can be bothered you could make one of the two wide covers smaller so you can fit it there

No more additions user. We do not want this to turn into the strategy chart from the OP. I'm happy to just replace KSP. Will wait ~30-40 minutes for any anons to complain/while I remove some Freedumb faggots then change it.

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What are the chances of those Slav games being translated?

Depends entirely on the game in question but the majority will have a had a western release (often only half-translated and with shit dialogue). If you give me a sec I'll mark off the ones I know are translated to at least playable levels.

I appreciate it! Could you also translate their titles so I can look them up easier?

I don't speak slav user, just play a lot of shovelware. Still I think almost all of them have their names down the side of the image in grey text. For example the first game is called Blitzkrieg (which is quite well known). Others have it translated after the name along the top of the image (so the second game is called Crazy Loto).

Pretty much any game that has an english title has a translated release so you got some basic advice instead. One weird thing to note is that slav games always have poorly coded melee weapons that swing as fast as you can click. Also lots of time travel/post-apocalpytic settings and plots.