A large part of the reason Joe Quesada left was Marvel sales not being able to compete with Manga sales, but the final straw that Disney had decided Joe had to go was due to his recent act against Mary Jane Watson and the recent development with her being attacked by Moira Mctaggart or Moria Jane.Originally Moria was supposed to take over Jean Grey or Emma Frost, but Joe changed it to be Mary Jane. Moria's upgrades allow her to sort of phase into a person and become their skeleton essentially consuming them, killing the original personality. After she takes over MJ she'll con Peter into helping her plant a bomb that destroys the Island then leave Peter holding the bag; this is what the six months previously panel shows in that recent Amz comic book and why everyone hates Pete. Needless to say that the thought of their most popular character abetting a genocide of the mutants and his love interest becoming an undead puppet horrified Papa Disney. Joe was confronted about this by higher-ups and it was nasty from what I'm told. It is felt Joe is projecting his personal issues on the characters and has been for over a decade. The long and short of it is he was told he had to retire or risk being publically fired. Now Marvel has the nasty task of writing Spidey out of this corner
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>>131036516>Fan Fiction.netRight from the 1st sentence
>>131036516Are you fucking serious??
>>131036516nobody cares about marywhore.grow the fuck up user. seriously.
>>131036516I believe this
Disney does not care about Mary Jane. It cares about sales.Op, you're embarrassing yourself, and honestly, all comics fans. You need therapy, not 4chan.
>>131036591They care when you have Spider-Man tied to mass genocide and kill his GF
>>131036516God this is so poorly done. It's always adorable when some barely literate dipshit thinks he's being clever.
>>131036636Yet it's very believable
>>131036516The sad thing is that aside from the manga bit and Disney caring about the floppies, everything else sounds halfway plausible.
are all MaryWhoreCucks this deranged? she's irrelevant. get over it. period
>>131036516He should have been forced to leave after One More Day.
>>131036625You have a fundamental lack of understanding of capitalism, incentive, and scope. You're like a toddler playing at repeating things daddy says while bashing plastic fried eggs with a toy hammer. Your grievance doesn't translate to reality, much less a thing that a corporation cares about
>>131036516>she'll con Peter into helping her plant a bomb that destroys the Island then leave Peter holding the bag; this is what the six months previously panel shows in that recent Amz comic book and why everyone hates PeteThen why does it say York PA?
>>131036983Why why WHY do you insist on spamming this retarded nickname? Why not just get a trip?
>>131036558>>131036983oh look, the sad limp incel who has no life is back. Poor sad limp incel.
>>131037166To move the bomb away from Krakoa so no one dies
>>131036516The explosion takes place in York, PA not Krakoa. And Disney could care less. Try harder at writing fanfiction next time. Quesadilla was essentially fired when he was kicked off the creative committee and Feige took over. He's probably leaving now because his contract is over and it was cheaper for Disney to let him ride it out than to buy out his contract and make him leave earlier.
>>131037244Do you know that for a fact or just pulling that out your butt
>>131036516Just have Dr Strange show-up, fix everything with magic, and leave.
The what Peter did part makes the most sense now and that's actually a good mystery box reveal
>>131037270You don't need to know that for a fact. It's just the most plausible circumstance given the available date. Certainly much more plausible than "the giant company was angry at him personally for what he did to a character in a comic" he didn't even write.
>>131037388Editorial bs to a story. it's been done before. Best example is end of Spencers run
>>131037360I mean, except that Joe hasn't been writing or editing comics for over a decade, so what's clearly most plausible is that a deranged subliterate still mad over his own fanfiction about OMD is lashing out the only way he knows how: sharing delusions
>>131037413No. Just... No. The pile of shit you don't understand just keeps getting bigger. Joe hasn't been eic or editor or even cco at Marvel Comics for a decade. This is fantasy.The only thing in this that's plausible is Pete taking the fall for Moira's bomb. All the real world stuff? Pure fantasy.
>>131037423He had pull in the company and could do that and has been apart of it for 15 years
The delays make sense now,. They have to fix it all
Wait, what?! Last I saw, Moira had been possessed by an alternate reality Phalanx, or whatever the fuck the end of Deaths/Lives of Wolverine was about. What the shit is any of this about?
>>131036516>It is felt Joe is projecting his personal issues on the characters and has been for over a decadeNo fucking shit, has no one been paying attention to the last, what, 15 years of Marvel?
>>131037592She captured MJ and is insinuated that she is taking her over body and mind like superior did and higher ups didnt like where that was going because essentially was trying to ikll of MJ
>>131037604OP, like a good 50% of the board, is an election tourist that only knows what youtubers are telling him.
>>131036516>Bullshit fanfictionThe truth of the matter is that Joe Q has been irrelevant to Marvel for a long time and after Feige took his position of CCO he was just a waste of space and was not going to have any upward mobility in Marvel anymore.He knew this and instead of waiting for Disney to kick him out he decided to leave. You'll see the same shit happening with Cebulski, Brevoort, Buckley, and pretty much any remnant of the Quesada era. Why do you guys think Bendis left his comfortable position at Marvel? He was seeing the signs long before any of them did and decided to try his luck with DC when they offered him a spot. Why do you think Jeph Loeb retired and stepped out of Marvel instead of staying there in a useless position? They knew they were done.There was also already beef between the Creative Committee and Marvel Studios and that shit is still not forgotten and basically once Ike lost power and Feige gained more all of the fucks who were in Creative Committee's careers were over.
>>131036516Complete BS by a self inserting Spider-Man fanboy.Comic books are collectables. they're not in the same market as manga. They're more direct competitors are Magic, Yu-Gi-Oh and Pokemon cards.
What a waste of a mystery box
>>131037788Or fans who read the comics and know they're being fed absolute BS?
>>131036516>It is felt Joe is projecting his personal issues on the characters and has been for over a decade.We all knew this. OMD was Quesada seething that he got divorced.
>>131038210How much does Joe hate his ex wife?
>>131038258Apparently over 15 years
>>131036516>simping this hard for a stupid whore
>>131038473oh no MoRia JAne
Disney not playing around anymore lmao
>>131036516You're the same guy who does those fake insider posts aren't you
>>131038773 no idea who that is..context?
>>131037797ThisPeople seem to forget Quesada and Bendis were on the Creative Committee and the Creative Committee butted heads with Feige, Gunn, and othersPlus there were rumors that Feige was butting heads with Loeb about TelevisionBendis and Loeb leaving was a sign Quesada was going to eventually leave too.
>>131038789There's some guy who keeps writing up fake insider posts on here, after you spend time on this board for a while his style gets obvious.
The part about him hating MJ and fucking her over because of his own petty life problems sounds likely.
>>131038856didn't even know lollinks?
>>131038841>Plus there were rumors that Feige was butting heads with Loeb about TelevisionLoeb was more or less in the middle of the war between Perlmutter and Feige. Perlmutter is famous for saying that he didn't want a Black Widow movie as girls don't buy action figures. And apparently said that both actors for Warmachine looked the same so it didn't matter. As Feige got more and more successful, Perlmutter butted heads with him and his vision more until Feige's influence won out. Perlmutter is old school, he was part of 90s Marvel and big in the "buy toy companies, buy trading card companies". Perlmutter was part of the so-called Inhumans push as a fuck you to Fox X-Men. So Feige annouced a Inhumans movie when new films were being annouced but this didn't happen. Perlmutter has a more old school "we don't want all our eggs in one basket; sell as much as possible while the sun is shining" hence why he pushed Loeb and the TV series over just having the MCU. Loeb reported directly to Perlmutter which was against the ethos of having a central producer like Feige overseeing stuff for continuity. So we got the ABC shows like Shield as their little sandbox and fights over who or what could appear. When the Netflix deal was dialling back, new content was still being made but the pressure ruined Iron Fist. The window for it was closing and they were thinking about making it like a TV movie for Netflix. You know why the choreograpy was so shit? The show was rushed and Finn Jones has zero time to prepare for the role. Eventually Feige won out and Perlmutter was pushed out of any say in it, but Loeb still reported to Perlmutter for years after.
>>131036591>Disney does not care about Mary Jane. It cares about sales.>implying comics have sales in the first place>implying that if Disney truly cared about their sales they wouldn't do every possible thing to alienate what little audience is left
So Peter gets back with MJ since the devil has left ...awesome
>>131036591>It cares about sales.Comics are IP farms for movies now and nothing more.
>>131039090Spider-Man is one of their most profitable assets and his GF is as famous and well know as Lois Lois Lane, so yeah they care if something happens like that to one of their assets
>>131039134>Anonymous 06/01/22(Wed)21:21:20 No.13103Plus people love Zendaya
So rewrites and assists with other artists to redo issues
>>131039101Not a chance because they're still two heads left
>>131038473>t.seething this hard for a stupid whoreSigh. Incelfag, when is he going to learn?
MAn editorial changes before the run even started, thats atrocious
>>131036516this thread>maryslutfags>delusionalas expected
Goals and future
>>131039466Their low IQ won't let them learn the lesson or see the truth.
>>131039580The biggest lesson learned was to kick joe out And fix the book
>>131038130>trannies >fansPick one
>>131039642What are you then?Gwenbbcloverrideruptotheclimaxuntilitsnapsinhalf
>>131036516God this is evil he must hate Mary Jane
>>131037797I wish Ike won. Inhumans would be on top and X Men would be long gone
>>131036671If you're a fucking idiot.
>>131039745Ike would have pushed the MCU in the dirt far quicker.
>>131039857This is now the response to all haters and hereby the appropriate item to use in the future to hater like you
>>131039580well, they simp for a whore after all
>>131039717This is news to you?
Batman would never have subcome to this. he would just subsume to his new urge for men
Always sad that the last run and the new run are messed with by the same person. Good job by the higher ups to remove trash
>>131040200Quesada hasn't been editing spider-man comics for a long time. Nick Lowe started his work as an editor on this issue and hasn't left since
I can do this all day >>131040318
>>131040350doesn't mean they dont interfere with runs when they dont like where it's doing. Argument is invalid
>>131037244>Quesadilla was essentially fired when he was kicked off the creative committee and Feige took over. He's probably leaving now because his contract is over and it was cheaper for Disney to let him ride it out than to buy out his contract and make him leave earlier.Stop trying to make sense. I prefer the crazy conspiracy ideas.
>>131040359>incel spending all day shitposting over fictional character than having sexTypical
>>131040370it's possible but all the shit started when Lowe became an editor so I'm gonna keep blaming him
>>131040385Sounds like you're projecting off your own insecurities.. How was your relationship with your mother?
>>131040400It sounds more like someone never let go of the power and was doing shady stuff behind the scenes
>>131036516The only thing unbelievable in this is Disney suddenly caring about comics sales.Everyone knows the only reason they keep the editorial is as an IP farm and keep licenses.
>>131040412>incel projecting his own insecurities to called any woman a whoreBetter than you do, incel
>>131040386>peter's tiny cock>I wish I was at norman right now
>>131040567wow that's a lot of words you got there,. hope it didnt hurt think all that up
>>131036516>After she takes over MJ she'll con Peter into helping her plant a bomb that destroys the Island>Needless to say that the thought of their most popular character abetting a genocide of the mutants>that destroys the Island>genocide of the mutantsHey dumbass, the page literally spells out to you that he's outside of York, Pennsylvania. Krakoa isn't even close there. Anyone who believes this post is a fucking retard.
>>131040609He moves the bomb away from Krakoa and the mist is poisonous to mutants....that pretty easy to guess, but thoughts of common sense are hard bro. dont let that stop you from being a semi working human you got this
>>131040651>UpdateThey can teleport anywhere from the island
>>131040651>He moves the bomb away from KrakoaAnd how is he on Krakoa? He neither is allowed to be there, nor can he use any of the portals to go there because he doesn't have an X-Gene.
>>131040768He stole from FF went to Norman for help. Can be done
>>131036516everyone in this thread is calling bullshit but i 110% believe it, this smells like Joe
>>131040606>>131040567>>131040412>>131040385>>131040359yall both some sadass niggasnothing makes me cringe yet laugh harder than seeing two human roaches fight over a crumb of shit >t.chad
>>131040959How was the finale to a amphibia did it deliver?
Can't wait to hear more behind the scenes drama now that he's gone
>>131041030Not a fan of writing this... but that's just marywhorecucks' retard wet dream
Joe probably made them change the ending to Spencer's run
Preview for hellfire gala is out. Peter is once again portrayed like an idiot manchild, really cool stuff!!!>>131041005>>131041022
Apparently that's moira disguised as mj
In a page by Villa, Krakoa’s The Five emerge from a gate with Magik in tow. Magik joins up with Bishop, just before Mary Jane Watson leaves Doug Ramsey’s side to take Proteus for a stroll.
>>131036558You first, tranny faggot
>>131036516I believe it actually.
>>131040768>nor can he use any of the portals to go there because he doesn't have an X-Gene.Krakoa's not exactly impenetrable, m8. It's just the portals that block non-mutants.
>>131041372>>131041384>portrayed like an idiot manchild>page shows he's acting surprised over Doom being invited to the Gala Are Spider-fags this out of touch with reality?Then again, they're the ones buying OP's obvious lies...
>>131041477Even if OP is a lie far more people will buy it than the actual comic run.
>>131036516>A large part of the reason Joe Quesada left was Marvel sales not being able to compete with Manga salesWhat did THAT have to do with him? Were they trying to cut his pay and/or increase his workload over that or was he somehow taking it personally?
>>131041477no one asked you x-fag. It's obvious that doom is mockering spidey in this pic and besides that peter's inablity to see through moira's disguise puts him in idiot territory by default
>>131041559I heard they wanted to get more into the manga market again so they could cut into that profit margin but kept on insisting to use big name people to write for them and could bring in more money but failed to produce what he promised them
>>131036516This is transparently bullshitNobody cares about this shit, certainly not the Disney higher upsYour life is sad and pathetic
>>131041926There's clearly a lot that goes behind the scenes that many people aren't aware of
>>131041603That and they probably lied about the popularity of a lot of fucking awful characters and spent a fuckton of money creating fake fans for it in visible places online.
>a thread died for this fanfic shitdisgusting
How does she do it, lads? How does one fictional female break a flesh and blood male to the point that he seeks out Spider-Man threads on a daily basis so that he can talk to himself about how much he hates her and pretend he's engaging in a group conversation of like-minded individuals?
>>131042164Because Joe wanted keep Peter young and awful forever but the best girl won out they'll be reunited soon enough. Massive rewrite to fix the run
It really does seem like Hollywood is feeling the heat of encouraging young men to trust women, in that sort of romantic way, as if there's still a patriarchy to protect property, and as if there is a real black noise bomb problem preventing women from maintaining their chastity, or even the illusion of their chastity. The Depp/Herd trial is a drop in the bucket on what needs to happen, culturally and socially (governmentally) for interacting with women to be a good idea. Before the pandemic newspapers were saying celibacy was up, and that just means low hetero normative committed relationships. Even with the SSRI's turning 18 year olds into sex addict shit ins we're going to need to do a lot of work before Peter Parker Loves Mary Jane can be a thing people believe in again.
>>131041508>erasing the marriage was never part of the plan> the comic with the express purpose of erasing the marriage and reverting spider-man to his 70s status quo didn't plan to erase the marriagewhat a retard, he can shove his revisionism up his ass because they still didn't let Spencer undo OMD. Not that he was going to, the Kindred arc was just bait and was only made to unGOBLIN Gwen Stacy.
>>131042299>and as if there ISN'T a real black noise bomb problem
why does no one on Holla Forums seem to know Joe Quesada hasn't been involved in the comic shit in years?
>>131036516based Disney, based higher ups. Fuck Joe.
>>131036516Proof of whay you ay OP?
>>131036516Source: i made it all the fuck up
>>131041964You've got nothing going on upstairs
>>131036516>>131040651Extreme levels of backpedaling hereWe went from>Spider-Man will bomb Krakoa!To>N-no Spider-Man will save Krakoa!
>>131036516Nice.>The long and short of it is he was told he had to retire or risk being publically fired.That does seem to happen a lot in the industry lol
>>131037446>Joe hasn't been eic or editor or even cco at Marvel Comics for a decade. This is fantasy.Someone in a previous thread mentioned he had been puppeteering the shogun, dunno how legit that is.
>>131042164Nah its just the 3 marywhorecucks around that love to screech about their cumslut waifu like autistic children
>>131036516there is only one tiny, molecular shred of evidence that supports OP's fan-fic tier, wrestling dirt sheet-esque, "insider report".The solicits and cover for issue#2 of the new ASM run, heavily imply that more info would be revealed about the current Peter/MJ break-up. And yet, Mary Jane Watson is not mentioned one time in the comic proper, only reffrenced once on the recap page and only appears physically on the cover. Now any comic reader worth their salt knows that solicits can frequently change (look at the original solicits for Emerald Twilight and see how diffrent they were to what we actually got), and that comic book covers are built on cool exageration and straight up lies. But considering the rumors that the whole reason the BEYOND story was even a thing, was to act as a filler arc and a buffer for Romita to draw as many issues as he could, so the next story would be ready to go on time, these misleading covers and solicits should not be happening with this much preptime. And the story is still getting delayed.
>>131043303Part2: If one were to believe OP's rant, and were to put on their finest tinfoil hat, here's how I think it all went down:>Quesada, though only a figurehead, still has the ear of Spidey head editor Nick Lowe and is basically still giving mandates by proxy over what happens in ASM>During the time Quesada was busy with Marvel films stuff, other writers started putting in little hints to OMD being undone, most notably Dan Slott's slight hints at Mephisto's involvment in Peter's life in his run on Silver Surfer and right before his final arc on ASM, Zydarksy hinting that Kingpin knows Peter's identity, Joe Kelly having Mephisto be the Power behind the villians of Spider-Man/Deadpool with a full OMD reffrence when Peter talks with Mephisto, Tom Taylor having Aunt May get cancer looking like she was going to die, and Nick Spencer going all out in trying to fully undo the OMD deal by issue 900>Quesada and his "Marvel brain trust" buddies get kicked out of the MCU by Feige for blatantly trying to fuck with his shit and Joe Q suddnely has enough free time to see what's going on in the Spidey books>All reffrences to OMD suddenly stop, Aunt May is "Cured" of cancer and no one reffrences it again>Spencer still writing his story planning to go up to issue #900>Quesada tells Lowe to nix it all, causing all the weird delays, rewrites and weirdness to the end of Spencer's run. >The whole ending is rushed to the point the Kindred plot completley changes between the second last issue's reveals and the last issue, which feels heavely re-written, not falling in line with the previous issue>Spencer leaves the book, does not even get to write a customary "goodbye" letter like most writers do after a long run. But he says online that "nothing was changed and my run ended like I wanted it too" without giving too many details, as to not burn any bridges on his way out>the BEYOND arc happens as a long buffer
>>131043303>And the story is still getting delayed.That's because of the printing shortages
>>131043314Part3:>Joe Q tells Lowe and Zeb Wells to start working on a story that completley character assasinates MJ to the point of no return. So no one can try to do what Spencer did without a complete reboot on the book.>Gets JR.JR on board as a "name draw", so that fans will buy the book even if it shits all over the Peter/ MJ relationship>"Disney Higher-ups" see what Joe Q has planned and put their foot down>Quesada tard rages and is told to publically quit, or get fired. >before this ASM#1 comes out as planned as that issues owuld have already been ready to go>ASM#2 gets plot points and pages shuffled around a bit to remove all refrences to MJ>Joe Q quits, gets a nice send-off from everyone>Zeb Wells has to figure out how to write himself out of the corner Joe and Lowe put him in>Nick Lowe is still there so expect the Spidey books to still be tampered with until he steps down>I put way too much thought into this conspiracy /x/ level bullshit, Look What OP Has Made Me Do!!!!
>>131043303>>131043314>>131043323>t. maryslutfags in a nutshellthis "people" really have lost it from the pain, uh?
there are some holes in this that other anons pointed out, but if this is true i feel like MJ will be revived using the Krakoa ressurection protocols as an exception since shes an ambassador, that or she'll be revealed as a hostage and not truely dead>>131043314>Zydarksy hinting that Kingpin knows Peter's identitywhen was this?>But he says online that "nothing was changed and my run ended like I wanted it too" without giving too many detailshe actually never said this, it was a Bleeding Cool article that said this, he just went conpletely radio silent like a year before while ASM issues were still coming out
>>131043298Oh hey incelbot is here
there isn't a big conspiracy around Joey Q. leaving. He hadn't been doing anything of actual importance at Marvel for a decade and was probably waiting for his contract to run out. If Nick Lowe suddenly left, then sure, there would be a lot to talk about, but Joey Q. probably went on good terms.
>>131043345>maryslutfags Not that they were any bright from the start tho, but yes user, Marvel broke them and broke them good.
>>131043345Probably. I do love me some sluts. And I do love me some pain. Again, this is all conspiracy theorist /x/ level tard foil hat stuff.I'm probably dead wrong on all of this. The greatest conspiracy theory of all time is people trying to find patterns in human incompetence and coincidence. A cigar is always just a fucking cigar. But I'm also bored, it's 3am and I'm hopped up on 4 heaping cups of sanka and should be getting work done. Op's post just added some peices to a long running theory I've had>>131043377>when was this?Don't rember the exact issue number, but early in Zydarsky's run on Spectacular Spider-Man, there is an issue where Spidey, his sister Teresa and Jonah or Johny Storm (?) head down to Kingpin's lair to get info on what the Tinkerer is planning or something. Fisk is being all coy with Peter and Teresa, and makes a few off-handed hints that make Spidey wonder if Kingpin's amnesia from the end of the Mark Waid graphic novel had worn off and he remebers when Peter beat the shit out of him in Prison. I'm probably getting that wrong too. But knowing what a continuity nut Zdarsky is, if you were to ask him, Fisk probably knows.Has Spencer said anything since? From what I heard, he is not one to say anything as he does not want to ruffle co-workers feathers, but it would be interesting to find out what exactly happend in those last issues. BleedingCool's article seemed to gloss over way too many things.>>131043510I was acatually going to put this as part of my "supporting evidence" on pages getting shuffled around in the new book. However this is the only unused finished art that has surfaced thus far and it could have easily been changed for a better shot or to help with flow/pacing of the book. Pages get dropped all the time. Still, what a cool page. >>131043501you are probably 100% right. probably nothing. Lowe has squashed many an interesting Spidey idea over the years after giving the inital go-ahead. Wonder what his deal is?
>>131036516Disney made the right call.
>>131036516Quesada essentially took Marvel comics to the point of no return. He made Marvel a never ending string of shock value and outrage farming, and now that’s all the company is.
>>131043314>>Quesada, though only a figurehead, still has the ear of Spidey head editor Nick Lowe and is basically still giving mandates by proxy over what happens in ASM>>During the time Quesada was busy with Marvel films stuff, other writers started putting in little hints to OMD being undone, most notably Dan Slott's slight hints at Mephisto's involvment in Peter's life in his run on Silver Surfer and right before his final arc on ASM, Zydarksy hinting that Kingpin knows Peter's identity, Joe Kelly having Mephisto be the Power behind the villians of Spider-Man/Deadpool with a full OMD reffrence when Peter talks with Mephisto, Tom Taylor having Aunt May get cancer looking like she was going to die, and Nick Spencer going all out in trying to fully undo the OMD deal by issue 900>>Quesada and his "Marvel brain trust" buddies get kicked out of the MCU by Feige for blatantly trying to fuck with his shit and Joe Q suddnely has enough free time to see what's going on in the Spidey booksThis doesn't work because the Committee was punted from movies in 2015, and Quesada was called in to ease the transition between Alonso and Cebulski in 2017-2018, after Alonso got fired.
>all of these retards ITT actually believing OP's shitty fanficWould not surprise me if he's the same retard behind that fake-ass X of Swords 2 """leak""" a few months ago
>tfw schizos on 4chan and at Marvel are still pretending you were ever best girl and not just a Goblin slut
>>131043774>all of these retards ITT actually believing OP's shitty fanficYou mean OP responding to his own posts, like he always does?
>>131043838And don't forget blacked slut
>>131038987>And apparently said that both actors for Warmachine looked the same so it didn't matter.I know that means basically nothing here despite all the memes about Holla Forumsmblr but seriously how did that pass the smell test on twitter?
>>131043993It was reported around 2010, before Twitter became too powerful
>>131043838Gwen married Mexican Peter. It's over.
>>131036516disney and marvel are all just full of white men hating liberalsspider-man will never be good or cool again until this changes
>>131044011>gwengobbedwhore proven that they more mentally ill than marykekwhoreSuch much cases. Sad...
>>131044037I'm a haremchad. They're all good waifus.
>>131043746most of the OMD reffrences happened in 2015-2017, when Quesada would have had no power over the books (being too busy clashing with Feige and Gunn, trying to make the Civil War movie end with everybody being friends again, trying to pitch Bendis's Gaurdians as the script to follow for the movie, the usual Joe Q bullshittery). Even when he was kicked out of the MCU, Alonso would have been fully in charge by then. He was a complete Joe Q stooge from what I could tell and was busy trying to push for more new characters, replacing old ones (something I believe in when it's done organically with a good story behind it, but the way Alonso handeled it was abysmal). Slott was well into the tail end of his run by then. Joe Q probably had nothing to say about the current direction. By 2018 Spencer was head ASM writer and started his story. Aparently he and Quesada had a long talk about what Spencer wanted to do for the Spider-Man books and Joe gave Spencer his blessing to do whatever (acording to some interview I vaugley remeber reading). The wheels started to fall off Spencer's story around 2020 after lockdowns. That's probably where Quesada and Lowe's editorial influence could be seen causing havok with the storytelling, becoming unbearable to work with and forcing Spencer to compromise with retconning Sins Past instead and leaving the book feeling absolutley crushed at seeing his dream job end all fucked up. 2021 and "BEYOND" was where it felt like we had headed back to BND tier storytelling (despite some really good issues, some awesome Gleason art, a few fun stories). That ending felt like classic Joe Q/Brevort "make fans mad and get their angry rape dollars" story telling philosophy that has seen deminishing returns but just won't go away. Again, could be wrong on all of this, but I really don't want to get this paper done.>>131044028>disney and marvel are all just full of white men, hating liberals...I know right. we need less old white guys in power.
the absolute state of maryjanefags. beyond pathetic.
>>131044101>being a fag for a hot red head supermodel waifufeels good bro.
>>131043939>>131044011>small brown dickscringe. Gwen can only be pleasured by green cock>b-but Lowe and Spencer-mega cringe
Gobcucks, It's over. Peter's dick is bigger.
>>131044101>incelbot still seething>also reddit spacing
>>131044233>But Gwen and I never...Spiderbros, what is going on??? Are we meant to believe Peter had a hot blonde gf and he only got as far as holding her hand and a few chaste kisses???
>>131044233if you say so
>>131044101>Gwen dies in the main universe>the sudden whiplash caused by Peter's web is what killed her>she spends her final moments cursing Peter and feeling sorry for herselfNever forget this.
>>131044233But Ganke is bigger
>131044261>131044264>131044284No dubs, you all failed. Peter's the biggest, while all gooks are the smallest.
>>131043993I'm not sure if that was exactly what he said, or if he said nobody would notice/care.The more I hear, the more I think maybe he should have had more pull on the movies, at least they wouldn't be killing off characters just because the actor left.>>131044078>trying to make the Civil War movie end with everybody being friends againI thought that was Ike, too.
That man is the reason Spencer left and an icel
>crying after Spencerlmao
>>131044311We've seen it in Spider-Man Reign, it was pretty tiny.
>>131045155>quesada was self-inserting as Peter>gave him a tiny wienerWell well well, look what we've found
>>131036591Disney cares about the MCU, not the comics
>>131045853They care about sales and image and when you mess with their cash cow they no like
>>131044022Edit this with Gwen
>>131040651Dumbass how do you explain he stole tech from the FF to deal with whatever in Pennsylvania.
What is the deal with the Anti-MJ faggot? I’m not even sure if this is a bit anymore
>>131046690Dan Slott likes to post here.
>>131046230Comic sales have been in the shitter for 30+ years which was way before Disney even bought Marvel. The comics are just an IP farm for them now, they do the bare minimum to keep the lights on
>>131036516>>131040651>"Spider-Man bombed Krakoa and killed a lot of mutants, that's why he's hated by everyone!">"But it says that he's in York, PA and not Krakoa." >"W-well no you see he moved the bomb away from Krakoa to York, that's why he's hated by everyone! You're just stupid!" Damn, Spider-Fags are on fucking next-level copium right now.Just accept that the X-Chads have won and that ASM is an X-Book now.
>>131047268>ASM is an X-Book nowThings are THAT complex now, huh?
>>131046628>>131046973meds go on them
>>131047504Sorry, I don't speak Mexican
Now that Joe is gone only a matter of time for a wedding
>turns out the anti-MJ spammer is the osbornfag who can't cope with >>131047504Suddenly it makes a lot more sense.
>>131047943I haven't seen felicia spammer as of late. Did he changed his tune to gwen shilling instead?
>>131047943>>131047992go back faggot
>>131039090>>131036591You cant fridge a super hero's love interest twice in their life and still make it interesting. That's awful.
>>131036516>>131044078 >>131043303>>131042164 >>131039717so because your waifu is as worthless as it gets, you have a mental breakdown and fabricate a magnitude of walltexts about joe quesada drama at marvel?no user, you just have shit taste and your fav is still as worthless and irrelevant as it gets, the end.you even realize how deranged and stupid is your behavior right now?
>>131048130>everyone who likes MJ is the same personYou're the deranged and stupid one here.
>>131047268ThisIt's insane how much mindbroken they have becomeRemember when at one point it was so bad that the guy who storytimed the issues would outright tell you to report the autismos on sight
>>131039134>GF is as famous and well know as Lois Lois LaneI dont think people really care about Lois. Superhero love interests arent as big as the main leads these days.
>>131048189then why the hell is every super hero story tied to a love story? Face it tiger, you're stuck with Mary Jane PARKER
>>131047943you got it completely wrong. The Spider-man threads lore is deep and complex (and retarded), but in summary>anti-MJfag who is Dan Slott who might also be the "muh women don't show tits anymore" spammer>Feliciafags who spam pics but are otherwise chill>Gwenfags who are all schizos>Normanfags who hate Gwen but also want Sins Past back bc it was funny and it makes Gwenfags seethe>Mexicans who simp for Mysterio>Milesfags who cannot stop thinking about interracial porn (they also do not read comic books)>Haremfags who are retarded and can only think in coomGwenfags hate MJ and Norman. Normanfags hate Gwenfags, but are fine with MJ and Peter (it's just banter). Feliciafags don't acknowledge Gwenfags.
>>131048200>then why the hell is every super hero story tied to a love story?Because theyre sexist power fantasies for men. Women are a means to an end in comics for superheroes.>Face it tiger, you're stuck with Mary Jane PARKERWhy isnt she with Peter now?
>>131047992I don't recall an annoying Felicia spammer.
>>131048215Oh hi osbornfag
>>131039134Now this is getting pitiful.You keep trying to give her importance she doesn't have or deserve only for reality to slap you in the face, rinse and repeat for decades.Wake up user.
And yet she gets the last laugh and caused Joe Q to be removed
>>131036516>fake shit as fuck>200+ replies/co/ is dumber than Holla Forums
>>131036516Disney didn't do jack shit when Marvel heel turned Steve Rogers until public outcry made them notice. I just don't see them being aware of this stuff enough to bring JQ in for a meeting about it.
>>131049755half the thread is shitting on OP and the other half is the usual schizoposting in defense of one's waifu/husbando
>>131047627>Sorry, I don't speak Mexicanlet's try english then like how about you get the fuck out of here retard.
>>131044022I honestly have more respect for the spic fan community because they have the balls to tell creators what they did was stupid and they're substituting their own interpretation.
>>131050267>let's try englishyou first :)
>>131049755OP, you're the one making the posts claiming your own post is real, don't be stupid.
>>131036516>Disney had decided Joe had to go was due to his recent act against Mary Jane Watson and the recent development with her being attacked by Moira Mctaggart or Moria Jane.Nice fanfiction.
>>131036516Joe Q projecting onto Spider-Man, oh boy who would have seen this coming. One More Day coming…
After all the crap he set up us fixed can't wait to see good pasture for Peter and his supporting cast again
>>131051592you poor, poor man. Still having hope, I see
>Implying the suits at any company, much less the Mouse, know or care about the characters they ownlmao
>>131047268>the X-Chads>the most fragile, easily triggered fandom in comics, who are always sperging out about something>ChadsSpider-Man fandom has more than it's share of autists, but how do X-fags look in the mirror and see themselves as Chads?
>>131049110Don't talk like there's just one of us.
Actually I have idea which is more aimed towards Goblin fans it goes like this.in the past we see Gwen being kidnapped by the black guy which we saw in her solo series, he then delivers her to a far away location somewhere on a island in the tropics and after that he gets murdererd by his employer. after a while we find out that person who ordered Gwen to be kidnapped was Harry. He then clones the OG Gwen and himself and has them replaced he reveles to the real Gwen that he wants her for himself and he deserves her not Peter, of course Gwen concludes he has gone crazy and refues to accept him, Harry becomes convinced that sooner or later Gwen will come to love him so she spends years as his captive, over time Harry becomes more and more mentally unstable and dangerous and he finally attacks Gwen in a act of self defence she accidently kills Harry.After killing harry Gwen wants nothing more to but escape this place and return to civilization but it turns out that Harry kept a laboratory on the island in which Gwen vists she finds the OG goblin formula (of which harry found)notes, diary, equipment, and a new Goblin costume whichr resembles a female one. Given everything which has happened to her so far she comes to the conclusion that she never wants to be helpless again, so she ingests the formula for the original Green Goblin's superhuman strength. And and then wears the new Goblin suit and take the notes, goblin pumpkin bombs (the notes give exact details how to make more goblin bombs) and flies away on a goblin glider (harry left instructions on how to fly a goblin glider).While she flies away she uses some of the Goblin bombs to blow up the laboratory beneath her and flies back to civilization,in which she find out years have gone by and the world thinks she is dead so she redesigners herself and adapts a new identity and starters living a new life.
>>131052029Part 2She later attends a reunion of her old friends in disguise of her new identity which by chance she comes across Peter and they start talking with each other, but accidentally slips up by mentioning details of which could only Gwen and Peter could possible know about, she then leaves. But Peter the remembers that this woman mentioned details of which only Gwen and he could possibly know about stunned he sets off to find her, eventually he manages to tracker her down emands to know how she knows details of which only he and Gwen knew about, realizing she slipped up she revels she really is Gwen in reality and what really happened. Despite being reunited together unknown to Peter Gwen slips out at night and wears the she-Green Goblin costume and begins to fight crime and villans, eventually Peter find out about the new she-Green Goblin and finds out that Gwen is the one under the mask. he confronts her about it and in in the process he revels to her that he is really Spider-Man, and demands she give up her crusader as a hero since he thinks such a thing is too dangerous for her, but despite being shocked that Peter is really Spider-Man Gwen stubbornly refuses to give up being a super-hero the since she tells him she likes being the she-Green Goblin and fighting crime. Unable to accept this Peter then ends their relationship and and ends up with MJ again, while Gwen continues to be the she-Green Goblin fighting crime and villans.
>>131052029>>131052048but when do Gwen and Norman have sex?
>>131052126And when do they have twins?
>>131048156those 2 or 3 retards are basically the same person
>>131052126Not possible user since Norman would never even recognise her even if he was to unmask her since Gwen did alter her appearance after adapting a new identity, besides I want to leave the door open for other possibilities like maybe the Hobgoblin, or some other goblin villan to become her lover.
>>131051878>>the most fragile, easily triggered fandom in comics, who are always sperging out about somethingYeah that's the Spider-Fags alright.When it was revealed that the cover to Issue #2 was misleading and nothing happened in the issue all they did was go apeshit as usual. You can see it for yourself in the storytime >>130882846Hell, this thread is almost exactly the same as that one.
>>131052292Norman's gonna do pic related and figure out who it is.
>>131052292Anon, it's Peter/MJ, Norman/Gwen and Hobgoblin/Black Cat. We don't make the rules, they just are the rules.
>>131052358>mention Wanda in a x-fag thread>sit back and enjoy the reeingcurious...
>>131052437>or mention the Inhumans>or suggest the X-Men might have been in the wrong in any event story>or suggest Magneto or Emma are actually villains and should be treated like villains>or suggest Krakoa is bad and should endAside from the recent treatment of Ben Reilly, the Spider-Man thread reeeeing is at least 99% shipper wars, people aren't sperging out about every little thing.
>>131052405if Norman were to find who she really was he could become enraged by the fact that Gwen was still alive then again he could find it rather ironic that she had become a goblin herself, and they could become partners. Yes, come to think of it they would make a good couple, but I want Norman to crown Gwen as the Queen She-Green Goblin, since I think she would earn the tiltle of a Queen.
>>131052420How about a comprise then how about Norman/Gwen but with Hobgoblin paying them a vist from time to time this way they could be a Thresome among them at least in terms of sex.