Is the Xenosaga series worth playing?

Is the Xenosaga series worth playing?

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at least the first game is
if you like the story play the other 2 games in order too

also play the american version of the first game

Can't say I liked the first game very much. Awful pacing, unlikeable characters and overwrought story even by monolithsoft standards. However, that's just like my opinion, man.

Yes, but you have to play the whole meta-series in release order.

Chrono Trigger-> Xenogears -> Chrono Cross -> The Xenosagas -> The Xenoblades


The first game was cut in half in development, from the original trailers it is clear that it was intended to cover up to the end of what was actually Episode 2. That being said, the only one that's a truly good game from a mechanical perspective is the third, but 1 is decent enough from a gameplay perspective, and 2's story is the strongest of the entire trilogy because it restricted itself to a single character's arc, rather than the lore, but the gameplay is so bad that it's better watched on youtube.

Did I miss something? How are these two related at all?

He's an autistic memester insisting that a whole bunch of old square JRPGs are connected because of cameos.

Is this going to turn into another kingdom hearts thread? I hate that dyke haired bitch.

KH "lore" is actually written to be retarded.

Just play Xenogears then skip to Xenoblade, then lament how there won't ever be another entry in the series as good as those two.

It's not that they're connected by continuity (although you can make the case that they are pretty easily), it's that they're made by the same staff (same writing team the entire time, and the same music team from CT to Xenosaga 1). Chrono Cross' second half, the part everyone thinks is weird, is actually pretty much an expansion on the cut content from Xenogears. Fei/Id's genocide of the demihumans on Elru was originally intended to be explored between Tara's house and the Mass Driver, but it had to be cut. Further, Chronopolis (and later Vector) is a recapitulation of Solaris, down to the save points which are actually spying on you. Further, Serge's status as Arbiter of the Frozen Flame grants him identical power to Abel's status as Contact of the Zohar.

Chrono and Xeno mean Time and Space. Remember that Xenogears', the mech's initial form is Weltall, universe,meaning the xeno in Xenogears is meant to imply Transcendantness, not just "alienness." This is even more obvious when you consider that Weltall becomes Xenogears by contact with the transcendent Wave Existence.

1 - they're not connected.
2 - I'm not reading your autistic diarrhea.

1. You're wrong
2. You're a woman.

My dick would have a word with your mouth.

Feminine penis, uh? Tell us more, Satan.

Ends on a poor note, but the ride is alright. I wouldn't strongly recommend it, as it's unfinished, and the rush to complete the third game is pretty blatant.

The first game is almost entirely exposition.
You really don't know them that well in the first game, so I guess I can understand this mindset. Backstories aren't really explored until the second game and in external resources.
You don't fully understand what's going on if you've only played the first game. Can't really value an opinion from that perspective.

My dick is gonna have a word with your boipussi. However, if you are cute, I will suck you while I fuck you. I am flexible.

HOWEVER. Back to the topic at hand, the reading of "Xeno" as Space is weaker than the reading of it as "Transcending Space". To read it as strictly spatial is inappropriate in Xenoblade. While it is true the space that exists in XC is manifested through the monados (which are Wilhelm[Alvis]/Animus[Zanza]/Anima[Meyneth] equivalents), it's the transcendent function of them that yokes the plot together, to say nothing to XBX's original Japanese "Beyond the Logos: Artifical Destiny Emancipator" jargon. Xenosaga is fairly obviously about transcending "lower" space (like duh, Shion rants about it for an hour in the ending), and Xenogears is about a conflict between those compelled to fill space by their natures (Miang and the Gazel), and those who attempt to escape it (Krelian, Abel, Elhyam).

Xenogears has awful gameplay (like Chrono Cross). Xenosaga is so bad that I haven't even considered playing it or the sequels for free.
Xenoblade however is pretty great in the bleak void RPGs have had since Dragon Quest 8. Try not to get sucked into autistically doing sidequests.

Skip to the 3rd Xenosaga. It's got some of the quickest turn based game play outside of Etrian Odyssey. Damn fun too, the mecha fights try to be turn based ZOE.

tl;dr?

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Chrono games are about how time works, Xeno games are about how space works. Because space is symbolized as a cross (x/y axis), there is a Christian element.

The third game has really good mech turn based combat.

Are you confused, user?

Really liked the 3 games back in the day, the story was a cluster fuck with a cliffhanger ending.
I still dont get why shion would throw everything under the bus for her dead exboyfriend, allen should get someone less crazy, like cosmos
Allen and Cosmos were my favorite characters and maybe the cyborg
Also why did shion hated his brother so much? Cant remember

First game is ok
Second one is shit and should only be played for the story. If part of why you're playing isn't for the story then you should just stop here.
Third one is fantastic

I played these when I was a NEET with nothing better to do and they are kind of bad. I'm not sure they're worth the time investment.

Why wasn't the Nortune arena battle system in Xenogears expanded to be the entire game's battle system? Xenogears kicks ass as it is, but it could have been even better if there was more action in the gameplay. Maybe they should have retained the turn-based RPG stuff for on-foot battles and used the action for mech fights.

Try playing XBX.

If you hate cutscenes you're not going to like the game much, and if you like the first game's art style you can just drop it right now cause they don't bother with it for the next two sequels. Also yes, Alan does grow a spine before the Xenosaga trilogy ends.

Chrono Trigger and Cross are not related to the Xeno games. And Chrono Cross is irredeemable trash that special snowflakes started talking up a few years ago, just like the "Zelda 2 is suddenly good now" faggots.

Nope

I didnt like the art change in 2, but at least in 3 got better.

3 went back to the "anime style" look, and Shion was actually hot in 3, even if she was a lying jew.

Not even that. Just play the first disc of xenogears.

No. The second point refers to the characters, who take a back seat to the plot in the first game. It's understandable if characters aren't liked as much, since they're largely not given much focus in the first game. Judging the overall plot doesn't make sense, though, since the first game is the introduction to the plot and isn't even that thorough.


She's stubborn, confused, angry, and Blames him for their parents' death She's also a nut.


I'm just going to say this to offer another opinion: I think Xenosaga II is a massive improvement over the first game.

I think it's largely a downgrade. At least that uncanny shit from the first game is long gone.

The "we final fantasy now" look they went with in 2 was trash, but honestly 2 was a trainwreck from start to finish. They corrected most of that in 3. Episode 1 Momo was the best though. Her design suffered the most in the sequels.

I remember Shion helped design KosMos but started getting bitchy when KosMos had to fight because of some pacifist reason.
Am I remember this wrong?

Shion was fucking nuts the entire series. Her obsession with Kos mos was tied to her affection for her dead boyfriend, who was killed by Kos mos. She was a fucked up character, but I always felt she was one of the most realistically written women in fiction due to her irrationality and deceitfulness.

The game did not look like Final Fantasy.


Yeah, like I said, she's a nut.
I mean, most of the people she ever cared about were brutally murdered. She's a stubborn, emotional chick with serious psychological damage. Doesn't help that she was infected by space magic. I don't know if I'd say that's realistic, but it's consistent throughout the series, I guess.

She didn't design KOS-MOS at all, she just bug tested the OS.

She's also literally Jewish.

I mean that they went for the more "realistic" look in character design, like a lot of the later final fantasy titles. For whatever reason I tend to blame Final Fantasy for being the inspiration for nips giving a more "western/realistic" look to character designs. Some people like that I guess, I prefer the anime look even if it was a little off in some PS2 games.
Either way the changes were really jarring and out of place.

Like Xenosaga I.
It was a big change. That, I understand.
Can't agree.

Played through the first game, got stuck at the laughing nut in the mech
Why is MOMO such a semen demon?
Something about her model makes me want to impregnate her
Same with her clone army

Its a trash series that is also censored to hell and back. Wouldn't recommend it as it has nothing of value to offer to any subsequent games.


Zelda 2 was never bad to begin with

Best reason to play the game, really.

More like if you like the story quit playing after 1 so that you can keep your fond memories of it, because 2 and 3 shit all over it.

First game had the best gameplay though. Great character advancement, good, challenging combat that doesn't take WAY too long like the others. It also has the best story BECAUSE it focuses on the lore and worldbuilding. 2's focus on irrelevant characters is a large part of why it's so horrible.

3 is almost passable, but it drops most of the story consistency in a time skip.

Really? For me the uncanny shit was in 2.
That explains EVERYTHING.

What ever happened to that? She suppose to turn into ash or a monster, how did she get better? Some deus ex machina bullshit?


I hated that with a passion

I liked it, 3 was pretty nice, the combat system was finally fine-tuned. 2 I had some problem with, especially that everything was so fucking slow.

U-DO was constantly fucking with her head throughout the third game.
As far as that Gnosis attack is concerned, I think she was saved by Nephilim or something.

What happened to that damn thing, there was so much drama trying to kill it.

If you can get it to run sure.

If I got lip from my mother like that I would buy some incest porn and let her find it. See what she says then.

Some people claim xenoblade is related to xenogears and saga but I doubt it. Square holds the rights to the IP.

U-DO is the Wave Existence. It gets trapped in the Zohar at the end of 3 and that's what causes all of Xenogears.

Square does not hold the rights to Xenosaga, Namco-Bandai does. Square only has Xenogears, Nintendo only has Xenoblade. They're not anal about that sort of thing over there. Look at SRW (which Xenosaga is a part of via OG).

I cant remember most of what happens at the end, special the whole bit of kosmos bieng maria Magdalena, the brown guy bieng jesus? And the white hair shota somethingsomething god?
Also the way you defeat the OP villians was pretty retarded, except for first pic, I liked his ending.
Also second pic got an interesting death.

Desperately need a HD remaster, like .hack is doing.

I prefer Xenosaga over both gears (revolutionary but was too rushed) and Blade (barebone story and shit gameplay).

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.hack got a HD remaster announced and KOS-MOS regularly appears in Bamco crossover game so don't hold your tongue.

U-DO is God or "the will if the universe" (at least that's what it claims). Chaos is not Jesus, in fact, he was actually friends with Jesus when Jesus was alive.

It's not really very clear what Chaos and Willhelm are. I'm reading up on it on the wikis and it still doesn't make much sense. Willhelm in particular is mostly unknown. Chaos and Mary are incarnations of Anima and Animus, and if I'm understanding things properly they have something to do with a failsafe that exists to undo the access of too much of U-DO's power.

KOS-MOS was a popular character but the series itself was a big old financial flop so I would say the chances are not good.

Well fuck.

Its universe was also much cooler than Xenogears and Xenoblade.

Shit feels like Gundam meets Macross.

I dont remember any singing or qt giants

The wikis don't incorporate the game's own encyclopedia too so it makes understanding the games much harder since you need to emulate it just so you can get details autists refuse to publicly spread via screencaps.

It's not, it's actually some evil entity. The thing that's supposed to be God in the Xeno universe is the Wave Existence. Also the chaos thing is weird, since he gets called Yeshua more than once in the game. It really points towards him actually being Christ since he has unexplainable superpowers.

Characters aren't developed much, if at all, in the first game. You get a very vague introduction to the characters.

Funny, that's one of the main problems I have with the first game. It's very time-consuming in almost everything that you do. It's a chore to replay, in my honest opinion.

It serves as a good introduction to the universe, but you aren't given much insight as to what's going on. Even Shion blatantly states that she's clueless as to what is happening at the end of the Song of Nephilim, and that's one of the last dungeons of the game.

That doesn't make sense. 2 develops major characters far more than the first game, and it progresses through the plot at a steady pace. In the first game, Cherenkov is a character that gets numerous hours of the game dedicated to his backstory. All that we really learn through Cherenkov is that U-TIC is after the Zohar(which was established by Margulis anyway) and that they're willing to use people, I guess? The entirety of the Cathedral Ship level and a substantial amount of time spent before even getting there is focused on "irrelevant" characters.

Meanwhile, in Xenosaga II, you get
Yeah, I don't get that "irrelevant character" point. If anything, the characters aren't explored enough. II does a lot of work in that category, though. If you're inferring that Albedo is irrelevant, then you're kind of ignoring the fact that Albedo is a vehicle for many of the events that take place throughout the plot of the first and second game. Almost major plot advancement in the first game is due to Albedo's efforts.

I said I wouldn't get into this again, but oh well. I'll have one more discussion of the games.

You niggers need to get laid, and get better taste in videogames.

U-DO IS the wave existence.

Chaos may have been the one doing miracles fro Jesus.


"Character advancement" Was refering to the stat system, not the story, that would be "character development".

But transformable mechs and giant space aliens.

Okay so maybe Gundam meets Gunbuster.

Faggot.

Ah, I see. I prefer II's in that regard as well, but the transfer ether option was pretty interesting. Pretty much the only way to make Momo worth using.

It's not, "may have," it's that he was. Jin was Jesus in his past life, and had to die on Michtam so he could be Citan/Hyuga in XG.

I don't think there's anything at all in Xenosaga to suggest that

It's explicitly stated in Episode 3.

No, U-DO is the Wave Existence, and Chaos helped Jesus you need to play all three games.

U-DO is a Wave Existence, but given its trans-universal character, it is likely that only a "part" of it, if such a thing could be said to exist, was trapped, rather than the whole will of the universe. Then again, once XS establishes that Abel is it, it's "being trapped" is really just a function of Abel's separation from Elhaym.

For some reason that doesn't seem as lewd as the in game model

Get this propaganda out of here

U-DO is the Wave Existence U-DO is just a name they slapped onto the Wave Existence, Abel is U-DO, Abel's Ark is U-DO, the pink shit you see is U-DO. The whole trapping aspect is simply a form of poking U-DO's eyes out so it can't see shit for moment.

It's not that clear. Xenosaga's Perfect Guide says that we should consider anything in the higher order domain "A Wave Existence." Gnosis, Testaments, U-DO, the Ark. It's a category of beings. U-DO is probably the one trapped in the Zohar in Gears, given how Saga ends.

To clarify: I'm just saying they expanded the terminology in Saga, not that it's not the same concept.

Xenosaga 2 is what happens when Namco stops eating its pork.


Best part is when Kos-Mos attempts to kill a Gnosis while some guy is trying to in front of her.


I don't know about wanting to be more realistic; think it was more from them not wanting to pay the original games people and going for a cheaper team.


Because you have a thing for necrophilia but don't have the balls to go full force.


No matter where Xeno goes, it will always get fucked hard in some way.


Didn't the first game sell well before publisher meddling ran everyone off in the second which lead to them cutting the original intended number of entrys in half?

Play the first.
If you disliked the first half of the first, don't bother with Xenosaga

I'd like to redirect you to a better jrpg series, go play valkyrie profile: Lenneth instead

Play the PSX version, the PSP version is badly stretched and looks like shit, and lacks a lot of QoL changes from the english PSX version.

kos mos is a hug bot


and youre a twat, liru happened

Post some gifs for XSII, instead of stills.
They wanted more expressive faces, and the new models provided that. You can see it clearly in pretty much every cutscene. Here's a sample. youtu.be/JXGIkv6paY4?t=2947

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The production value is higher across the board. Cutscenes look better with improved animations, visuals, and models. Not sure what's cheap about it.

As far as sales go for the games, I'm not sure.

Calm your autism down /monster/ its just a pic.

Shameful, user.

1:09:18 for some Nigredo/Albedo.
1:12:50 for Junior, Chaos, Shion, and Jin.

That shit made me laugh more than it should have.

And Gnosis do not exist in the upper domain they exist in the imaginary domain which is part of the lower domain, same with the Testaments. There is only one Wave Existance from the higher domain in Xenosaga and that is U-DO, Abel and Abel's Ark are U-DO's observation terminals and are essentially also U-DO.

I have barely anything more than that; only thing people really post is Xenoblade with anything involving Xenosaga barely sticking around (at least whenever I find a thread).

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The Xenogears/Saga wiki is actually pretty great, it has tons of gifs.

Nice suggestion.

liru happened despite everyone saying it wouldnt, liru is a pillar of hope and should be lauded as such

Here's one of Momo and some other realians I'm working on
Posting in case I get lazy and never finish it, but some user does

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reminder every normalfag loves trigger because its a short ass 17 hour jrpg with no difficulty and hates cross because they couldn't understand anything that isnt a direct reference

How expensive/ what would it take to do a proper xenogears series remastering where they include the games that they were originally planing to create?

They've tried. Twice. The series' virtue is its incompleteness: it keeps it open to reinterpretation.

It's more that Cross is more Baten Kaitos than Chrono Trigger.

I think she didnt want the only thing that reminded her about her dead boyfriend get destroyed, even though that same thing killed him.

Liru is a slut that would fuck anyone when she is in heat.

Cross has a clusterfuck of a plot that reads like fanfiction, terrible combat, a bloated cast, and the one of the worst localizations of all time. You aren't impressing anyone by having shit taste for the sake of being different.

That's because it's all stuff taken from Disc 2 of Xenogears. The demi-human genocide plot was cut from the Elru arc, the Chronopolis arc is just an explanation of Miang/Karen's experiments on Fei.

Xenogears was a tribute to super robot and mecha anime. It's packed with references to lots of stuff, but few catch on because they haven't seen much anime from the late 70s and early 80. A lot of newer anime fans think the references stop with the Evangelion-esque psuedo-religious stuff. Saga carries a bit of that spirit, but it mostly sticks to building its own world and tying it to gears. It still has a lot of appeal to people that like sci-fi/mecha anime, so I can see how someone would get that vibe.

Cross had nothing to do with Xenogears, stop forcing that meme.

Chrono Cross has a terrible battle theme. I didn't realize this until I sat through the whole song. It starts off fine but gets worse as time goes on, and you hear it so damn often. Can't comment on the rest of the game, though. Haven't played it yet.

Why? Trigger's a good game. Very good game.

Esotericism in science fiction isn't a Japanese strength.

So you haven't played either, I take it?

Nigga dis shit is exoteric as fuck.

Don't forget that it was also originally its own thing before Square saw the fan project for a CT remake and shut it down, but seeing dollar signs forced Chrono Cross to become a CT sequel halfway through development. This is notable because the writer threw a huge bitchfit at what he saw as his magnum opus being raped and retaliated by shitting on CT as hard as physically possible. Because of this, not only is Chrono Cross a shit game, not only is it horribly localized, it's also a hate letter to anyone who even remotely liked CT. Everybody lost with Cross.

Wouldn't Square had been better off letting the guy make the fan remake on the cheap, then buying him & the game when it was near completion, and then have the guy finish it so Square could sell the game?

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The gook should have abandoned the project with everyone in the dev team to fuck up their bosses instead of doing THAT, but I guess he didnt have the balls and needed the money