How should 3D platformers be designed?

how should 3D platformers be made Holla Forums?
and by the way marketers, i don't mean 2.5D, i mean 3D
should they be big open levels that let you do whatever you feel like in whatever order you feel like and have you learn moves as you progress through the game so it doesn't get stale?
should they be big levels with multiple variations that let you sequence break to get objectives that that level's variation, well, isn't specified for, and also contain secret levels?
should it all be one big cohesive place with procedural loading where you have all the moves at the start, but it turns out that some levels are obstacle courses anyway?
should it be a huge obstacle course disguised as an open level, such as the jellyfish fieldsand maybe other levels, haven't played past that lvl recently enough to recall in the spongebob game?
should it just be regular mostly-linear obstacle courses like in crash bandicoot 2?
or should it be linear like SM oddessy where its just obstacle course after obstacle course except the hub levels aren't obstacle coursesbut are only the hub levels
or should a platforming game have big wide open handcrafted spaces, but have the objectives spread out across the levels, sometimes not very evenly, but also have plenty of secrets, some of them far more secret than the others?

also, 3D platformer thread I guess

Mario 64 is the peak of 3d platformers. so like that

open levels with multiple paths / goals.

BK had the right idea, but the physics/character movement was really bad compared to Mario 64

Mario 64, Sunshine, Galaxy 2. Perfect 3D platforming. Clear ways you're SUPPOSED to complete the objectives, but levels and mechanics designed in such a way that there's multiple ways to achieve the objectives depending on player skill.

Banjo Kazooie was good but limited because you had to go after things the specific way the devs intended. Crash Bandicoot is ass and whoever thought up that running-down-a-corridor bullshit needs to be shot.

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The first two Spyros should be on that list. The 3rd one is pretty unfinished, though.

HAAH WAAW

Anyway, just wait for what Odyssey will be like, that will probably be the way platformers should be made in the future, like Breasts of the Wild did for open world games.

Anything new coming out that isn't a remake, a mario game, yooka, or that snake game that got shilled during yooka?

I've never played the early trilogy of spyro, so I couldn't vouch for a game i haven't played, but I do remember playing 1 and I went back into it, didn't feel as good, maybe I need to bunker down and really play it through and through.
The only thing that bothers is me when people discussing platformers is the dislike for 3d world, the only true complaint i can think of is that the levels after the "last" world are just remixed levels and there's only one original level along with the timer and green stars being a bad combination.


a hat in time; if this scores lower than yooka laylee somehow I will go to my local school and shoot it up

Like Medievil with better camera

I'd like some new ideas once in a while. snake pass was pretty good example of this, but gravity rush 2 is the best 3d platformer in a decade

snake pass isn't really a platformer. You can't even jump

amy hennig was right when she said platformer should be changed to something like navigation game

First, you make it fun.

Let's not get too ambitious.

I' d say it is a platformer, but instead of jumps you do wrap around things and from one structure to another and if you dont do it well you still fall from the stage or into spikes.

Let's make it not too boring?

So it'll be shit then?

You fuckers NEVER mention Oddworld: Stranger's Wrath or Megaman Legends. It is always Super Plumber 64/sunrays/Universe. Sometimes Spyro. Shit, OW: Stranger's Wrath was a stealth 3D platformer with a great camera and good controls, no one ever mentions it. And it may not count, but MGS2's VR missions could sorta count, depending on which ones you play. Still a good camera and controls, have fun with the perspective though.

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But I'm not sure it really qualifies as a platformer because the platforming elements were so minor. It's actually one of my problems with the game. I wish they would have leaned into that stuff more.

My only concern with Hat in Time is the detective arc where the game swaps to stealth/clue hunting, but the rest of the game looks great and I'm looking forward to it coming out. Odyssey is definitely going to overshadow it though, especially since the themes of both games are so similar

I never bothered with any of the oddworld games past Munch's Oddssey because fuck Munch's Oddssey.

Megaman Legends fucking sucked. The game had soul but the tank controls are fucking trash.

I really feel weird towards the Crash games, I can tell that are fun but it still leaves me some strange taste in the mouth

My only concern is that Hat in Time is vaporware and is never going to come out. I backed 20 dollaridoos on that shit years and years ago to get it, and nothing.

Is it actually coming out soon or something? I don't pay attention to any of the updates about it.

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Fun fact: this game is being made by the guy behind the SLAG Gaming community (such TF2 custom game modes as Parkour Fortress, Gamemode Madness, Advanced Weaponiser, etc.).

The creator of GR was inspired after he got addicted to Crackdown/Riot Act and trying to figure out all the platforming puzzles to get the agility orbs. Crackdown was somewhat of an underrated platformer and you can see it in GR with how you develop Kat's powers over time. Hopefully CD3 is decent. MS fucking sucked showing it at E3 but the lead at Sumo Digital said they wanted to bring back the big platforming sections like the Agency Tower and do new stuff like adding moving parts like swinging cranes and monorails. Might be interesting.

They've been much more vocal as of late and have an ambigious date of "Fall 2017" but haven't talked much about the gameplay. Most of their updates are just talking about what hats there are or tidbits about level elements/game mechanics

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