Darkest Dungeon

Is this game good?
Is it really rng heavy and poorly balanced?
And what about the DLC?

Nah, just Play Nioh if you're interested in a good RPG.

It's like 10 bucks on steam or free if you pirate it. find out for yourself, christ.

Don't tell Holla Forums but I really enjoy this game. Then again I'm a sucker for anything that forces you to manage around an insanely evil RNG. FTL and such come to mind.

The art is flat out amazing, is great for short bursts, and if you're into games that are mostly glorified dice roll domination simulations, then you should like this.

If you bite, don't get the expansion, I've been hearing mostly bad things about it.

nah
yah
meh

I don't have a PS4.


The game apparently hide his weakness and rng abuse early and fuck you over later.
I am not gonna spend 20 hours building my characters and then realize it was all for nothing.


I see, thanks.

PIRATE IT AND FIND OUT

It's a game about working around and managing RNG and debilitating things that happen, so yes.

Holla Forums's still assmad that lmao4crusaders got nerfed. The number of patches that have come out in the wake of the new DLC say to me that the DLC isn't balanced.

JRPGs aren't RPGs.
Neither are modern WRPGs, though.
Proper RPGs haven't been made since the early 2000's.

No.
Yes.
What about it?

Oh boy, stay far away then.

Failure is expected, and there are certain jumps in difficulty which will grind your dudes into paste.

There is a shorter mode, though you'd still be losing 2-3 hours of progress.

The thing is though that superficially you may lose guys, but that's part of the plan. The actual progression is the base expansion, which is permanent. The game encourages you to regard heroes as meat - if you get attached to one, you're doing it wrong.

The fun of the game is the rng and the rng is just the right amount of unfair in most cases. It's like playing DnD with a DM who doesn't like you a whole lot, but doesn't outright hate you.

This reads like the opening to Boss Of Me but from an alternative universe.

Wasn't there a thread exactly like this last week?

I like concise replies and he didn't deserve any better. I'd also like to think it's not nearly as limp wristed as their byline.


They do it for free.

I had the most fun playing this game on and off. What I find fun about it is going into a dungeon and not knowing what will happen. Nothing is guaranteed. If you get too invested or take it too seriously you will uninstall the game when your party dies and you lose all your trinkets (equipable items)

Yes there are times where you will miss multiple times in a row or roll low on a heal but different heroes do different things some are more consistent than others.

If you do decide to buy the game measure your progression based on buildings and not your heroes. Your first batch of heroes will not survive the spike in difficulty and you will be completing dungeons down a couple heroes or flat out fail and lose important items which is perfectly normal until they are properly equipped

Game is insanely rewarding and replayable. Has great music and sound effects. the art style is 10/10. the narrator alone is a reason to buy this game. id say its a must have.

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she will won't remove any of her clothing either

I don't remember writing that that 'will' in there.

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Yes

Yes and No

If you already like the game, it adds a bretty gud new class and a few new mechanics. I don't know if it's worth the price tag right out of the gate, but I'm enjoying it.

Anyone bitching about the RNG is stuck in the wrong mindset for how the game actually plays. The RNG will rarely completely destroy you if you plan appropriately and aren't afraid of retreating out of hairy situations. Don't get attached to any one character, the game isn't about taking a early game level one character up to max level and beating the last boss with them. It's like getting pissed off in a Civ game when one of your units gets killed.

Darkest Dungeon is just an slightly-above-average dungeon crawler with a lot of style instead of substance; but it does drip with that style (fantastic soundtrack, neat gothic storybook style, W.J.'s narration).

The game suffers heavily from repetitiveness and a lack of cohesive direction in its mechanics; it wants to be a dungeoncrawler, a hardcore tense combat strategy game, and carry horror elements all at once, but the devs both couldn't decide where to take it and lacked the balls to dedicate themselves to a dangerous, difficult, or hardcore experience. This is especially evident with the final DDQ.

It's a Risk Management game, everything from the initiative order to the dungeon layouts are going to be subject to uncertainty, but always with set rules and patterns (The Weald extends and crosses over itself, its a 1d8 for initiative each round, etc).
The game has a nasty reputation for demolishing people with attack accuracy and critical hits, but it's bundled in a warm blanket of confirmation bias– If you take the time to understand the game and prepare for the challenges, there's very little that will surprise or overwhelm you.

The game's balance has improved over time, as of Crimson Court's release it has finally started to come into its own after several long-standing issues and character flaws were fixed in that update's overhauls. It's not perfect, but it's not "four crusaders spamming Holy Lance and wiping every boss in 3 rounds tops" anymore.
If you're interested in a more cohesive, dangerous, and balanced version of the game, one of the people who worked on the game runs an overhaul mod called Pitch Black Dungeon, which is basically an expanded re-release of the game.

Crimson Court adds a pretty large chunk of content to the game (the big new thing is the megadungeons you can enter and leave while maintaining progress), and the new class is relatively fun. I haven't completed it, but if you enjoyed/pirated and liked the base game, it's worth buying.

tl;dr
its a risk management dungeon crawler that's stylish
pirate it, if you like it buy it and CC, play with PBD if youre there for the gameplay

It's one of the biggest wastes of time I've ever played, and I've only played half a dozen hours or so. You can feel it's going to take fucking forever to master the game and minimize as much risk as possible, and an even longer fucking while to not get buttraped by the RNG in order to actually win. I seriously recommend not getting into it.

Not proofreading my posts is easily the worst posting habit I've picked up.
I even made a mistake in the post trying to correct a previous mistake, goddamn it.
But let's get serious, would you fuck the bitch in fetish gear? It's the only thing of note in this game anymore after they fucked it with all the shitty updates.

Whatever my be the final verdict on the game, the fact remains that it's a 10/10 salt generator as evidenced by

You will hear an endless stream of faggots complaining about the punishing nature of the RNG, but that's not actually the problem.

The real problem with the game is that it is a huge grindfest for no good reason. There will come a point when you have unlocked just about everything you need to complete the game but you still need to level your heroes sufficiently for the final dungeons (which are underwhelming), and if you haven't been minmaxing expertly during the earlier stages, the game becomes repetitive and boring at this point.

I always hated the art style. I played it in beta and never really got into it.

Is Risk Management considered a genre now or something?

The final boss isn't great from a gameplay POV. Lots of spectacle but if you have maximum autism you can make it a joke.

The journey however is great. Play with your favorites the first time, then you have new game + and a time-limit to beat the final boss for more of a challenge.

The devs idea of balance is "lots of people are doing well with this tactic- lets nerf it". Whether you like that or not is up to you.

There's also a "Pitch Black" mod which makes the game more challenging re-does how maps work, and adds variant enemies sort of like Diablo or Torchlight. IMO how they fixed a lot of abilities is so much better.

Try before you buy IMO. If you aren't having fun before you unlock your third area- it won't get any more fun.

I pirated this game when it first came out and loved it enough to buy it.

At first the game felt like a puzzle and the developers knew you were up against a dungeon of enemies so each encounter was essentially puzzle that could be solved with minimal risk.

Now it's boring and zero tactics beyond a good party composition.

Isn't a good party composition part of the tactics?

Or do you mean any good combo of classes + skills can complete any mission/area with no casualties?

Fuck me if I don't have almost 200 hours clocked in, but I still don't know if I think it's a good game. I guess not, since without the outstanding presentation I probably would think it's shit.

At this point, this is my only complaint. I'm a huge supporter of the game, but this is the one thing they've been trying, and failing, to fix since forever.

There are ways to make it quicker. You can upgrade your stagecoach to have a chance at getting higher level characters fresh off the boat. Radiant Mode also cuts down on grind by increasing XP gains and allowing the stagecoach to give you even higher level characters. But even given all that, it can take a while to fully level a supposedly "disposable" hero. And if you use them once in the actual Darkest Dungeon they immediately become worthless as anything other than a carry to level further characters up.

I almost feel like individual character levels are a mistake. Like you should level up a class rather than a character, to empower all future characters of that particular class. But then how would they punish you for dying? A gold loss would be inconsequential, as after a certain point you just don't care about gold.

Is the vita version any good?

Don't bully, I'm getting the console for free soon.

You get a fuck-ton of heirlooms that become worthless.
Why not a training hall that lets you level up a character 1 or even 2 levels safely while you're off on a quest?

Nothing wrong with family gifting you stuff man.
There's better RPGs on the Vita. Ask any vita thread for a recommendation image and you'll probably get 5 RPGs or JRPGs that'll be "better" overall.

But, you won't get a game like Darkest Dungeon on the Vita.

It's better on PC just by virtue of more resolution to see shit easier, and mods if you want. I'd check if the Vita version updated with the PC version.

You can deal with the RNG, I've been playing for a while and I only lost one guy to RNG when a bunch of spiders ganged up on the one guy and critted him to oblivion. A few weeks later the RNG also revived him.

The only time I'd say the RNG is really unfair is in champion dungeons, the crit and dodge rates on bosses are cranked the fuck up to absurd degrees and you need to prep specifically(mostly accuracy trinkets) and bosses are best handled by turtling and whittling them down with status effects.

But its fine beyond that, you WILL get fucked by RNG at some point though, I lost the highway man you start with to 3 crits in a row and almost lost the crusader as well in the same fight.

It's not even the RNG that kills it for me.
It's the fact that once you figure out how to mitigate it the game becomes dull. Like Dark Souls 2, where the only time you get fucked fighting Big Guy With Sword is when you get so fucking bored of whittling him down one hit at a time between his combo flourishes, that you can't help but try to put another lick on him just to speed things up.
You can run safe groups with all of the right trinkets and you'll be fine and bored. The only times the RNG will actually fuck you is when you decide to have some fun and run four jesters or something. It was intended to create exciting moments and set the mood, but instead it works as a no fun allowed mechanic that forces you into safe and boring play.

Order them by speed and if you're lucky you can squeeze out 4 finishers a round. Might be cool.

Whatever you do, if you pirate DON'T get the latest patch. Get the one before it.

The latest patch heavily nerfs Jester which is bullshit.

Also get the Musketter Class (You have to pirate it, it's a kikestarter class only) and the Musketter mod. Originally the Musketter was a class that was just a reskin of the Arbalist. The mod makes it slightly different. Mostly the same, but some slight changes to make it more unique and interesting.

Might as well get the DLC though, no reason not too.

A friend's giving it to me. It's functional but has a busted screen. I hope the repair isn't too expensive
Thanks for the help. I was under the impression that Vita users are mocked by all the threads I've scrolled past.

that strat got nerfed because the devs heard about someone having fun.

That's what kills the game for me, if you want "hardcore edgy action" don't reactionary patch literally any broken combo that comes out, then force 2 characters to die during the final boss fight. It's just poor design the whole way through, it looks nice, the narration is good. But the core gameplay is awful because the devs don't understand what balance is and just respond by reactionary patches without knowing what the consequences are.

Beaten the game 3 times in Vita, no complaints. Things start off slightly cramped visually and there's no blur effect, but it's feature complete, looks pretty and most of all, it's fucking portable. DD is perfect to play on the go.

Map the back touchpad to the front.

Game starts out strong, but as you really dig in it becomes a tedious grind. Worth a pirate at least

I wish there was an android version, I don't want to buy a handheld, but do want something to do when I have no PC around.

Piece of shit with artificial difficulty.

Dev has said last month on lebbit that they're looking to bring it to tablets.

I can't find the patchnotes on the jester nerf. What did they do?

I have one more question. Do the devs have any history doing SJW stuff?
SInce GG I try to buy games from people that don't hate my guts for no reason.

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Don't play this shit, here is a helpful list of roguelite games:

GOD TIER

Red Rogue

HIGH TIER

Ziggurat, Delver, Realm of the Mad God

MID TIER

bit Dungeon II, FTL, Hammerwatch

PLEB TIER

Dungeon of Dredmor

SHIT TIER

Rogue Legacy, Darkest Dungeon, Necropolis

I didn't try out Everspace or Dead Cells yet.

I stopped using the jester that way anyway, but that's fucking bullshit.

I suppose you could justify that oversight by claiming it's in an "Elder God" tier that you forgot to write.

He made a list of so called roguelite games, not roguelikes.

You might have the worst taste in history

I don't get it, why do they keep removing every new tactic the players come up with? Shouldn't you try to inspire your players to try new shit?

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No this shit thread again

Darkest dungeon is a SHIT rpg

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If you're bad at DD it's awful and will rape you and your family.
If you're kind of bad at DD it's a super fun game about strategy, risk management, and tradeoffs.
If you're good at DD it's a cakewalk through candyland pretending it's dark and gritty.

The positional party mechanics are unique as far as I know. There's tons of depth in the party building and combat strategy, but after mastering maybe 40% of it you can play the game without losing a hero or even having to run away.

There's a bunch of players who don't like strategy and do like skinner boxes, who will say it's a grind. Ultimately the game is largely one note. You fight four on four battles, loot stuff, upgrade, and repeat. If you can't find variety in the four on four battles, then the game is a massive grind, as you have to go through hours of them to 'progress' to the next checkpoint/gold star.

After the initial learning curve, DD is best played as background to something else. A way to occupy your hands. The turn-based nature means it auto-pauses if you alt-tab away from it, for example, and it autosaves something like every minute, similar to dark souls. You can quit mid-battle and it will save you there, in the middle of battle.

DD is 'old school' by which we mean it has numerous unaddressed serious balance problems. There's a very clear power hierarchy among classes, and and even worse one among the game's equipment, trinkets. Many skills, notably buffs and debuffs, are completely useless or have niche uses for 2-3 enemies. Since almost every character hits death's door in two crits, control is paramount, meaning stuns are overpowered as shit. There's in-battle healing but little to no out-of-battle healing, meaning tedious stalling at the end of fights is a great idea, especially as entering the next battle with missing health means you hit death's door in one crit instead of two. Since damage is so bonkers, healing also has to be bonkers. If they don't crit you it's just kind of sad. If you decide not to bring one of the OP main healers, you're just kind of sad. Many of the bosses are outright cheesable, and almost all of them are [git gud via wiki]. If you get spoiled on them they're not hard. If you don't, you'll get wrecked at least once.

Summary: are you kind of bad but not too bad at it? Then it's great. If not, then not so much.
It was super fun when I was afraid of taking unnecessary battles. If your first instinct upon taking a setback is to whine to the developers, avoid, and also kys. If you're pretty good and like to get better, well it depends on how much you want a simple time-passing game for laying over podcasts and such.

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