Guys, calm down. Bethesda isn't implementing paid mods, so you can all stop freaking out

Not any of Trainwiz's mods

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Trainwiz can't possibly be so intellectually dishonest to try and argue that this isn't paid mods? It's obviously fucking paid mods. They're hiring modders, their entire e3 "dlc" lineup was common mods you'd see on the nexus and you need credits you gotta pay for to get the "dlc". It's fucking paids mods. Frankly, i'm more insulted modders are trying to pretend it's not paid mods. They have so little respect for others in the modding community they lie to everyone as if we're naive 4 year olds who can't see the forest for the trees. The fact they think it'd work is even more insulting than the fact that they sold out.
Good riddance anyway. I hope someone writes down the names of the modders who sell out to bethesda so everyone can remember who helped to destroy the modding community in the future
It was only a matter of time before bethesda fucked up the one reason their games sell well anyway. They fucked up everything else already.

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Uninstall.exe is the only thing you need. Morrowind is a meme spouted by both Redditors and Goons. Morrowind was never good and never will be good.

If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck…

Stop calling it "paid mods"! It's called "outsourced DLCs" goyi- guys!

Never felt the need to use any of his mod. I just remember some strange obsession with trains and never gave a damn.

I was arguing with someone earlier and they kept linking me to TotalBiscuit's video that definitively explains how these aren't paid mods. It's just modders being hred by bethesda to make small "dlc" that Bethesda checks and currates.

Will reddit really let allow bethesda to get away with it this time?

Here's your (you), now get the fuck out.

He made a functioning train mod in skyrim and that carnival mod people liked in fallout 4, because it played like a new vegas mod with consequences depending on what you did. He can normally make good mods, the only issue is he's a greedy fuck that's going to help destroy a 2 decade old community so he can get 50 cents.

whats happening on that gif?

Solstheim rumor fix and dark brotherhood fix.

At that point you know it's paid mods and it's horrible. Totalbiscuits opinions are almost always wrong. He hates his fans, he's corrupt as fuck, he's a sellout, he's in support of obamacare, ironic when he's a brit living in america, he's raising another mans child with his wife who wont give him a son of his own, he believes gender is on a spectrum, he actually fucking liked new dante. Dudes full of shit opinions.

They nearly got caught by mom.

I understand now.

We don't have to buy anything at all, we just pay some money, and that money goes to them, and in return - for free, we receive something.

Doing what?

Man, I remember argueing with TB on the WoW forums back when I was a teenager. Even then I hated his arrogant ass

Someone post the webm

You mean the ONLY reason.

It's just like how living out your SJW wish fulfillment fantasies is the only reason anyone even plays Bioware.

Welcome to modern gaming, where we insult your intelligence rather than provide entertainment.

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The call for shekels can't be satiated, however, a mod can be pirated too. Once again, i feel they have the same demographic in sight: Console users, most pc users won't pay, not those from my generation i am confident about that.

I know

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Wasn't he also dying?

Guess.

and who is recording

All the console peasants are gonna get is reskins and overpowered equipment. You can't make complex mods for consoles and no one is going to bother making them when they could just shit out hats in a few hours and collect the shekels that way.

I imagine most of the passionate modders will just stick with Skyrim or go back to New Vegas, or drop Bethesda entirely and hopefully go for Bannerlord.

Hahaha, 10 bucks he'll never get back.

Studying Ancap 101?

Is this shit real?

Like playstation plus. Free games.

"it"

Bet that faggot played alliance. And a male night elf.

I wonder how often it works on people.

christ, I almost forgot about that.

Still is I think. Last I heard he had a remission. Who knows if he'll be fine or be taken down for good. I'm guessing its why he's selling out so much. He wants to leave a lot of money for his wife and his wifes son.

You need the Morrowind Code Patch, the 4gb patch for the .exe, and the Morrowind Patch Project for random bugfixing. You could also try this timeslip.users.sourceforge.net/exeopt.html . That's basically all you need for vanilla patched Morrowind unless you want it to look better (which if it's your first time I don't suggest, I'm very partial to playing games the way they were made).

Prove me wrong. Bethesda has never made a single good game and all their games belong in a dumpster at worst, or a bargain bin at best.

Yes.

Don't, it's a bad game.

No idea what he played but his forum profile was always troll mage/shaman.

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I just realized…What about the use of external tool such as Script Extender or other hook tool? Will they be able to use them considering they're going to get paid? Will this fuckers have the audacity to use FREE tools for their mods?

Amazing, it's genius really, dumb fuck mod makers will fall straight for it by making them think they are "contractors", which in reality is just unpaid workers who exist to make Bethesda more money.

This.

Trainwiz has a good amount of fanboys that go out of their way to shill and namedrop him every other TES modding thread.

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Isn't that nice

Bitchass faggot always does that.

At least it's a clearly defined separation between mods and monetized content. The result will be the same, though. No one will want to work with the sellouts, nor will they want to work with the community, so everything collaborative that existed in the past will disintegrate. Not to mention there's going to be resistance to paying cash for the type of content that used to be freely available. Either way, I think the contractors will be paid low enough wages that even very mediocre sales numbers will justify this move as a success. RIP modding.

Just to clarify: He blocks his comments. Yet another reason he's cancer.

All his videos have blocked comments. The reason was because he wants discussion about the video only on reddit and not on jewtube.

The only reason you need is the fact that he's Goon.

I remember him from old /tes/ general threads, no need to sperg out.

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RIP modding? But i'll keep releasing my mod on Hongfire… You will always find people with good will. Plus porn mod are what driving modding more than money, so until they find i way to sell porn mod my niche is safe.

Surprised he'd play horde. He seemed like an alliance guy.

He blocks comments because he knows he'd be challenged in the comments. Or if other anons are right about the reddit thing, it's a degree of separation so he never has to deal with his opinions being challenged or proven wrong directly. Im surprised he doesnt disable likes and dislikes too.

I think it's gonna make fallout new vegas and original skyrim more popular. The whole paid mods shit is just for Skyrim SE and Fallout 4. I hope it breathes extra life back into new vegas. Vegas always had amazing quest mods, the best of all the games. Like an Anatomy of disaster, tales of new reno, dog city, Someguy series, That vault robot one, and so many others.

I think it's cause he browses or at least used to browse imageboards. So anons would point it out as an interesting tidbit of info.Most modders stick to the nexus or reddit or other cancerous safespace type places.

LOL!

Most Goons played horde from what I gather.

Sorry, let me clarify. RIP future modding. The tools exist because Bethesda found it profitable for them to exist. If mods threaten their new revenue stream, they simply will not publish them for future titles.

I don't even know WHAT Trainwiz is doing anymore.

LOL!

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He doesn't need to
The video has very little dislikes
It seems like he convinced people

Shit, didn't mean to post the video again

Is this fucking tumblr?
What's the notes things?

Oh he was in their guilds. Hadn't considered that.

He has a dedicated fanbase that won't go against him. I doubt he's convinced much. Though I suppose time will tell. If it is widely supported then fuck it, when the modding community dies good riddance. People get the communities they deserve and if the majority are okay with bethesda corrupting and killing everything then they deserve to have it waste away.

Reminder that the majority of his fanbase comes from Sweden, does anyone have the vid where he says that?

Yeah. Like kike, jew, shill, rat, piece of shit

The worst part is not free tools (SKSE and F4SE won't be used at all, you can forget about script extending forever).

The worst part is the fact every modder has pirated photoshop and pirated 3ds max to even work on paid mods. You can even legally sue them for using their software for profit.

More likely that the people who disagree with him just don't want to watch his shit since they can't even tell him what a retard he is.

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Maybe they don't see it that way. People with good intentions often get manipulated by smart scammers. It's unfair to say the community doesn't deserve it when the community is just being manipulated by an idiot.

How would he even find that out? Youtubers can't check I.Ps of their viewers can they?

We both know theyre gonna try and use SKSE and F4SE for their mods. Question is will the programmers who made those scipt extenders let them?

Youtube has an inbuilt analytics thing that tells you the demographics by age and country.

Trainwiz only uses Reddit and Tumblr anymore, right?

I assume he was. The only Goon guild I know of actually managed to convince someone to kill themselves.

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People get the communities they deserve. Their are plenty of modders and people screaming about how this will destroy modding and ruin the future of modding. If the majority ignore this and support this. The majority of the pc modding community mind you, not the xbox or ps fucks who are swarming in requesting ports left and right, then yes they deserve it even if being stupid. There's only so much you can blame on ignorance before you should have known better, and it's been really fucking well established how bad it'd be by a lot of people.

Now, it could just be a difference of opinion that if it's supported the majority might think it'd be good for modding, in which theyre then gambling with a 20 year old community and completely changing the culture and inner workings of this community because they think they can make it better, despite knowing the risks, in which I say, again, if the majority support it they deserve what they get. I only feel bad for those against it and smart enough to know whats gonna happen and being unable to stop it.

Ah, okay. How would they know age? Google accounts?

Fuck if I know. I don't use either of those and don't interact with him unless he's been an user on /tes/ a while back, in which case 9 times outta 10 I wouldnt know anyway.

IIRC they had goonswarm as well, or wtv the fuck it was called a while back, and they pmuch made up 90 or 95% of the server or some ridiculous number to the point that the alliance were nearly non existent. Seemed pointless to me to play on a server where you'd never get to meet the enemy faction in the world and fight each other but to each their own I guess.

Are you really surprised?

If they do it would be extremely lulzy to point out the hypocrisy loud and clear even if the script guys let them.

I'm impressed how dishonest these people can be.

Age you gave to your account, yeah

White women can't be raped by niggers, they get their privileges checked instead.

That's the dude from Yahoo mail.

How about you check these dubs.

>You need the Morrowind Code Patch, the 4gb patch for the .exe, and the Morrowind Patch Project for random bugfixing. You could also try this timeslip.users.sourceforge.net/exeopt.html . That's basically all you need for vanilla patched Morrowind
Excellent advice.
I kinda disagree here, though, Distant Land is hard to play without considering how incredibly close the draw distance is in vanilla MW. On the other hand, it's annoying to install for a first-timer, so yeah, try it and if you're ok with the graphics then wait, otherwise bite the bullet and install distant land.

is this your first day on the internet? google knows everything about every normalfag. if they have a youtube account, they have a google account, and if you have a google account then google knows where you live, how old you are, what you do at work and in your off time, etc. etc. etc. this is common fucking knowledge, user.

Totally my chap
Make sure to but all these micro DLCs for Skyrim

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it's Rebranding 101 and if it works the mod scene is pretty much doomed as every game company in the market will want a share of such easy money.

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HEY ASSHOLES
Stop calling them mods!
They are microtransactions.

Depends on the size, but they're basically outsourcing to modders rather than microtransactions. Along with the usual flies, indies might flock to them as well if monetary compensation is in the offing.

At least not all the mod makers will get hired, meaning that there will be free mods and whatever shit Bethesda ruins simply by being a huge company. Let's be real here, do you think Bethesda would allow the moders they contract to do whatever they want? No, Bethesda will meddle and fuck it up. I'm predicting we'll see some moder's horror stories of working with Bethesda eventually, keep an eye out for that.

Sega isn't making money out of workshop shit.

What about hiring Taxman to port Sonic games and make a totally new one instead of him releasing his rom hacks for free like he used to?

Well Valve does that with hats and its microtransactions.

That's different from opening up the dev tools to anyone in the community who pays
Taxman was already pretty famous in the community.

Imagine the modders' faces when they get thrown that technicality thrown at them at a bethesda meeting:

trainwiz.tumblr.com/

Here is Trainwiz's tumblr, with an open ask box.

I sure hope no one floods it with asks insulting him as a faggot while he's online right now.

Infact here is a direct link just so everyone can make sure NOT to click it and send him messages calling him a sellout. trainwiz.tumblr.com/ask

Due to his skill and talent he was offered a job to help run a major project in a company its a completely different matter.

Taxman got a gig with SEGA, so it's really not that simple anymore.

The hats do not affect gameplay.

No one gives a shit about hats though.

Wait, they're not paying the moders for their work? The moders have to pay for Bethesda to sell their mod, which I assume means they might get a cut? Isn't that fucking retarded?

The difference is that Taxman is making entirely new levels, rather than just horse armor. Sonic Mania looks like a significant amount of new content for classic sonic fans to enjoy, while it's clear that Bethesda is just making a moral-less cashgrab. It also has to do with the fact that modern Bethesda games are largely supported by community patches and new, free content made by fans. They re-released Skyrim 6(?) times now, there's no way it would've kept selling if the mods weren't readily available. I really hope this decision hurts Bethesda, but normalfags are so fucking stupid.

Which is equally despicable.
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This system already exists in Minecraft. Basically its just an excuse for them to implement full blown microtransactions into a full priced AAA $70 title. If you support this practice you're a fucking idiot. Enjoy having every single fucking game with a cash shop from now on.

Calling it now, most of the content will be shit and you'll have your first lawsuit when someone starts calling unfair on the constantly increasing milestone requirements Bethesda's no doubt going to push on content creators so that they don't have to pay anyone. Considering how Zenimax treats its partner companies signing a contract with them is easily the most stupidest thing anyone can do.

This is not going to benefit the modders, its going to fuck everything up. There is already collusion by publishers to make this practice widespread.

Fuck anyone supporting this.

If only that were true.

That pic is a good reply

And?

Disappointing but not surprising. He has always been a cuck and his fanbase insufferable.

I mean, no one here cares because they're fucking hats. On the other hand Bethesda monetizing their mods not only threatens a community that has produced quality content in the past, but also heightens the chances others in the industry might try and do the same.

Fun fact: Sonic 2 and Sonic CD ports actually have and had custom content in them.

S2 has a re-imagined HPZ based on the one cut from S2 and Sonic CD had a level planned based on the infamous R2 myth as well as a "True" final boss if you had all the timestones

(((2 to the 1 for the 1 to the 3If you pay for mods you're cucked beyond beliefShill so much, goy, you wouldn't believeAnd when criticized I just shout "NAZI"3 to the 1 for the 1 to the 3I met a bad goy last night on the SteamLemme tell ya how I made off with the greenTemptation and some re-brandingI've been to Todd Howard's money mountain topHeard Redditors meme him into a GodIf you ain't got good weapons then just purchase a modBust out your wallet and give it to ToddGet ya ass in the air and spread them cheeksBethesda is gonna give ya a treatDon't let them shekels pass ya by)))

I'm retarded and this is what I was trying to say earlier. This is important and everyone should pay attention to it.

I'm aware of the additions to 2 (Hidden Palace) and CD (Tails). However, the zone you mentioned was not based on the missing ruins zone but in fact the planned Dust Hill from 2, which later got recycled into Sonic Mania anyway so it's not a total loss. Maybe they'll have the new boss that was supposed to be in CD in Mania too.

meh need work, some are really good but some a really bad

7/10
Pretty good.

I'll add also that the increasing milestones method is what they used to kill Interplay. They also tried to annex the developers of prey using the same method but those guys were smart (and given how poorly Prey 2 has sold they did the right thing in the end)

Eh, I'm hit and miss.

I wonder if there has been some change in leadership at Bethesda, or if they put a woman in charge somewhere. How can a company start making these kind of dumb decisions all of a sudden?

We should have ourselves a bit of fun.

Good luck with those pennies, faggot. He's better off just putting a donation link on his pages or some shit.

Maybe Bethesda's threatening them with take-down notices otherwise?

If he was being threatened with takedown notices (which wouldn't work, it's a fucking mod), he wouldn't be answering questions in their favor, they'd just tell him to be silent.

No mod has ever fixed a bethesda game anyway.

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Did you miss the whole GTA 'mods are illegal' thing?

I'm saying I wonder if they went around telling modders to either work for them or not do work at all without facing legal action. What person would be this retarded?

Something tells me 99% of the people complaining are pc rats. Just pirate them, like you always do. And when the modders stop creating content for pc, blame the consoles.

Will I miss something if I watch it?
Because title already makes a point that missed entire thing entirely and I really don't want to watch it.
Why should I care if it is labeled mod or not?

Yeah I remember one time on some podcast he throw some small tantrum on the fact people still write comments to him even through nobody sees them.
I won't find it. It was years ago.

I bet his game he was working on isn't exactly going to plan. I could call him a faggot right now or just give his parents address out to people.

That was because mods were allegedly being used to hack the multiplayer stuff. I think the OpenIV thing got reversed, but I didn't follow it that closely.

Post it on >>>/cow/, they love to fuck with people.

If they want money they should make a patreon and link to a donation function.
If they think they can start selling mods i'll just start pirating them.

its not that they're trying to make money from their work, its that they're signing on with easily the worst company and most exploitable company that they could.

I have no issue with people earning a living, but I do have an issue with exploitative assholes ruining the games industry. If these modders are caught in the crossfire its their own faults, Zenimax are notorious for their dealings.

The take-down was only for single-player mods, m8. It got reversed in the end, but so did the original Steam paid mods idea.

Who gives a shit about these quisling cucks? Not like they can do fuckall worth anything without the script extender, and the guy making that already told them all to go fuck themselves.

You are the cancer that destroyed the pc market.
If you don't want to want to pay for something DON'T FUCKING BUY IT. Trying to get it for free by stomping your feet and crying is nigger tier. Trying to get it for free by exploiting the system is jewish. Congrats, what a fine specimen you are.

Don't forget fore the animation dude did as well.

Burden of proof is on you first to present an argument, faggot. Fishing for replies here doesn't work like it does on cuckchan

yeah that's actually the funny thing, the tools the modders use are made by 3rd parties, the tools bethesda licenses are shit so the paid mods thing won't work the way people think they will because all the quality stuff was made with mod tools that would violate the EULA if sold. Only shit tier mods will be for sale.

Why do you deserve money for adding shitty DLC to already full-priced games? Why should you get $3 for adding a new hairstyle to Skyrim, a game that isn't yours?

Make your own game and I may buy it, but mods don't deserve $$$.

Kill yourself faggot.

And this is why we mod. So that when we finally do make a game we don't completely fuck it up.

Why do you even care about them? I mean donate if you have some change they make your games enjoyable.
Problem is with what Bethesda games have become. Now all the mods that made them worth pirating are behind paywall. You are buying a full game expecting mods that you now also need to pay for.

I will actually just link to video from Arch. He made very good point about people that should pay modders are not players but Bethesda.

Oh, right. Funny thing that the most hardworking and talented members of the community tend to be the ones with integrity.

Not like Bethesda gives a shit. They want to nickle and dime the cretins stupid enough to buy a Bethesda game for a console. The best they're gonna get is the equivalent of TF2 hats while everyone else goes back to Skyrim and New Vegas.

Cool.
That's like expecting people to buy my shitty doodles 'because I make them so that when I make a completed piece, I don't fuck up.'

That's enough of a burden of proof.

SSE doesn't even have a script extender and F4SE is still pretty bare-bones, so there aren't really a lot of mods that require it.

Other than Frost and that big Seattle mod I can't of any other worthwhile mods for FO4.

I disagree its more "buy my shitty doodles so I can keep making shitty doodles the rest of my life" because why would anyone want to make a game when they can legally use Bethesda's marketing and rabid fanboys.

Bethesda would never do that. This was never about supporting modders, it was about pushing another bullshit precedent like they did with DLC so that the industry as a whole can start doing the same. This is the obvious next step in that plan and they're going to use modders to get what they want as a sort of human shield.

Yeah, the FO4 mod scene died out pretty quickly. So I guess on the plus side, paid mods can't really do much damage to it.

Most Bethdrones didn't particularly like FO4, especially with the preset background and the forced voice acting. The game being a steaming pile of shit didn't help much either I imagine, on top of Bethesda limiting the modding potential of the game even further.

It's legitimately not the same thing, despite how poorly bethesda communicated it
It's the difference between writing fan fiction and writing a book for a publisher, the end result is similar but one is ultimately better and wouldn't exist without the money involved

Reminder that Train-nigger hangs around here.
He is also a Star Citizen cuck.

also that youtuber is a Creative Assembly shill so to hear him say these things is just hilarious and hypocritical given how CA treats its mod community.

That's literally how cultural marxism works.
They're not childfuckers; they're homosexuals and they're oppressed. They're not mentally ill; they're transsexuals and they're oppressed. They're not worthless welfare leeches, they're former slaves and you owe them everything for what you did to them because i say you did.

That's right goyim. Those are clearly different than mods. Just bend over and spread those ass cheeks for the corporate cock so it'll go in real smooth now and no complaints, you hear?

Bu he is right.
Mods are things made by fans in their own free time, for their enjoyment.
If that fan is hired to create game content, then he is officially part of the company it's not a mod anymore.

Or are you saying all DLC's and add-ons are mods?

Except you needn't get hired. All you gotta do is pay for the tools.
Their only excuse for quality control is they allege there'll be some form of "content curation" which will probably mean dick

False equivalency

Hes got a script that alerts him whenever someone mentions him on imageboards and some forums.

So, he's the autistic version of Candlejac

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Ho boy, watch as we eventually get to a point where these drones start shitting on modders who still do it for free for fun and as a passion project

Free shills shilling for sellouts. What an age.

Nice.

You're literally being financed by bethesda, like a publisher
And to that end, like any project proposal, you have to convince them that whatever you want to make is something worth their money, and ensure that it works

Also you say "pay for the tools" as if they're going to somehow take back the creation kits people already have and make them pay for it, which just isn't a viable move from any standpoint, business or otherwise

I hope to see that this leads to /scruv/ rising once again.

Of course they won't but now you can clearly make a point to faggots like one in OP.

I wouldn't just call him a shill. vid

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Honestly do you agree with statement that Bethesda should support modders themselves?
Because from looks of it I won't buy any Bethesda game because of how bad deal it makes them. Even on sale it is still bad deal as it will make any of their future games money sink.

What is the difference between TW 1 and 2? Or has CA fallen so low they're shitting out the same game with a +1 on it and asking $6o for it?

This. Those were fun times. I know the board is open to all kinds of pirating now.

It is expansion pack to TW1 that includes Lustria.
It is shortest description of it I can make. You even can play campaign on both games at the same time.

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The fact that he didn't stop buying their games after Kingdoms makes him a shill since he makes videos about their games.

If he didn't want to sound like a shill he'd sound like this guy.

I agree with Zaric's analysis. The Creation Club is a good idea in theory, but Bethesda WILL fuck this up.

This is how you spot the real Jew trying to subtly poison the well of community goodwill with his unwanted notions of capitalism.

s-source?

It's not a good idea

It worked for id

For a group that claims to despise Bethesda and its dumbing down yall sure are quick to try and keep it from possibly killing itself.

What a pathetic fucking excuse. There is no "breakdown". Unless by breakdown you mean a bunch of blackskinned jews calling modders greedy for making some coin out of their work.
Stop it with the denial and just accept the fact that you are the cheap jewish nigger of the vydia world. You want shit, and you want that shit to be free. That's your only problem.

20+ years ago, and even then people were complaining about it. Then again, at least the mods that got licensed offered value and quality equal to their price and were a good bargain for people with no access to the internet.

OpenMW.

How's that denial working out for you?

You have a severe misunderstanding of this situation

And that's where Bethesda's going to fuck up. The Creation club allows Bethesda to do what id did and provide an above-board way for paid mods to exist without legal ramifications and quality problems. But they're just going to load the market with a bunch of shit like crab armor.

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They won't do any CA and will tell you to fuck off if you demand their provide technical assistance for the mods they sell. And the whole store won't be curated and will be full of shit that will make horse armor look like a worthwhile purchase.

This is some next level idiocy, the words don't change shit.
The only real leg any of these fags can stand on is that unlike a mod these things would fall under Bethesda's needs for Quality Controllmao so technically you could sue them if some of that stuff breaks things.

Yep.

WHERE WERE YOU WHEN MOD PIRACY BECAME A THING?

that already happened last time. Its now more a permanent thing this time because you won't be able to stop this.

I highly doubt Bethesda's expecting ANY profit from the PC market. The Creation Club was designed to milk the console market where they WILL make a shit ton of money.

It's been a thing for a while now as modders hide their shit behind Pateron or keep mods within their little fag communities.

It was a thing ever since steam workshop.

Sorry, but if you wish to put the blame on anyone, you'll have to talk to the "3rd-party contractor" we hired to make the software. We here at bethesda have no control over these things. (Oh but if something does turn out really good, you're damn right we'll take all the credit.)

Did you guys forget when Bethesda tried to get paid mods going on steam? half the reason for this "not paid mods I'm just hired by bethesda" shit Trainwiz is pulling out of his ass is both PR and a legal thing so that they don't get sued by other companies. And trainwiz was one of the modders that was in full support of monetary compensation for mods, the modders were split half/half on this before so I already know who is all for this.

Maxofs2d has that too IIRC

Since that fag took down his mods because of the election.

Man, its almost time to become a toner vendor again.

Anyone else here never bought a Bethesda game? I feel kinda alone.

People don't realize how badly the first paid mod fiasco fucked up the community. It created a schism and a shit ton of resentment that's still unresolved.

I suppose I could start one. Anyone got a list of some names from the last time this happened?

He made a video shittting on their games being too fucking expensive.
This makes him not shill. I won't say he is not bias but he is also not a fanboy that only want to promote stuff. Just look at his Fall of Cadia videos it is constant shitting at why it was bad idea.

It was good idea to make what Valve did. To take modders and make them work for your company to make full game.
He however tells bullshit also. He mentions that Undead on Creation Club would be a win. Undead is very choppy quest mod and not that great, but besides that he essentially says large DLC quest mods being behind paywall is good thing.
Look I played shit tone of Skyrim. Only memorable quest was Forgotten City, I loved how I just talked to NPCs for 4h to figure out what to do. I loved Cube Experimental in Fallout 3 also. This means all quality content will be behind two pay-walls. First for game, second for mod.

But i will still say there is a good way to make creation club good. Give me that premium value for killing stuff. Not play-time but actually playing. This will make people pay modders because they don't want to play your game but also for ones involved it with proper balance should make them play quest mod before downloading next one.
Unless I will see shit like this fuck everyone involved. Trainwiz I hope your script is working on 8ch.

that's because you're fishing in the amazon now, you'll need better b8 m8

The sad truth is that re-branding works because consumers are fucking brain dead.

Not only that, he's the most pretentious goon you'll ever see, his very first post on that site is a fucking essay on how intelligent he is.

Where I've always been.
In Hell.

poor ql8ty b8m8

It's true that since they're being paid by Bethesda then they're pretty much contractors, but it doesn't change the spirit of the issue.
I hope Bethesda and all their lackeys get assfucked by a horde of niggers.

What song is that? Sounds like something from 28 days later.

Actually, you are wrong.
There is a selection process and the maker gets PAID for every milestone and must complete the project.

Yeah right, you're even worse than a jew.

He is right ya know.

You do want free shit, and you object if people don't give it to you for free

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Help Me I Am In Hell by Nine Inch Nails.
They're mostly known for rather intense industrial rock, but they have a lot of good ambient tracks as well. Ghosts I-IV and the Quake OST are great examples of their instrumental talent.

FUCKING CROPPED PORN
Please at least give me the artist's name.

Money-grubbing cunts.

Mods are free expressions of user creativity. If it costs money it's a paid DLC, doesn't matter who makes it, it stops being a 'mod' the second it gets a price tag. The very simple answer to this is to never ever buy their shit. If normalfags are dumb enough to do so they deserve to lose their money.

That's not the original dialogue but it's this exhentai.org/g/825796/25d068b203/

That honestly made reading that whole fucking thing worth it, it's like an Aristocrats joke where you're amazed at how awful it gets and then the punchline hits and you can't help but smile.

I'm reminded of when (((Tripwire))) justified paid DLC weapons in Killing Floor 1 with "It doesn't count because we didn't make the weapons, modders did."

It isn't. Morrowind is the exact same shit as Skyrim, as Oblivion, as Daggerfall and Arena. Shit's still shit, no matter when it was made, how it was made, or what it was made of.

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I remember when he tried shilling his channel on Elitist Jerks and got laughed out because he was too autistic to not sign his posts with a signature.

Bethesda games have no future worth pursuing. Time to put them on the no buy list.

>(((They)))'re producing (((DLC and new features))) with the help of (((contractors))) that they pay, who shifts the cost of the mod onto you.
There is literally nothing wrong with this, and you entitled manchildren need to stop worrying about everything.

On a serious note, I've got all the mods I could ever want, and there's never going to be another good Bethesda game so they can choke on my uncircumcised dick

If you genuinely can't see the difference go find a shallow pool and drown yourself.

Probably a bad idea to follow any of them, meritocracy rules there not brand recognition.

This is infuriating. In the same breath from Bethesda, I get confirmation of fallout and skyrim in VR, and then paid mods.

Truly the monkeys paw is pure evil.

I wish I could find an old video of his whining about how raids are too easy and then dying constantly by standing in the fire. I think it was very early Cataclysm but I'm not sure and I'm certain he was playing a troll hunter.

Yup, checks out.

To be fair, it totally isn't 'paid mods'. It's horse armor DLC, which is far worse, quite frankly.

From how I understand the system working, it's similar to Valve's hat system, where if you made decent enough hats you could submit it to Valve for review, who'd then sell it and give you a cut of the profits. Back when that happened there wasn't a huge amount of backlash. How does that differ from this system?
I guess it's because it's a single player game. You don't need Bethesda's meddling in order to use it because it doesn't need to be sent to all clients or set up on a master server. All Bethesda needs to do is set up a store for it and they'll get a cut of the profits.

Fact remains, whatever you call it, you put your mods behind a paywall. It ain't a hobby anymore.

Go back to wherever the fuck you came from you subhuman retard.

*zenimax

Cosmetic changes such as hats and costumes like in DotA2 are much different from gameplay overhauls like those in recent Bethesda games. Things may also become complicated once you start plagiarizing features from other mods and incorporate them as your own paid versions of them.

Bethesda isn't that shy from taking ideas from their fans either. The settlement building in F4 and the robot DLC are such examples. So imagine if one day they had their own posse of paid modders who are then authorized to steal novel ideas from free mods, make more or less better versions of them and then go on to sell them as their own work for Bethesda's profit. It would be absolute pandemonium.

They're just getting fucked in the long term by getting into a freelance job

No, but they do affect the direction the business is going, you conniving yid.
Hence why Valve doesn't make games anymore.

Every fucking time.

Execute anyone preaching equality

>Tt-T-TTtt-T-TTT-T-WHHOOOOO SCOOOOOPPSSS

People actually follow modders and worship them?

But what if someone orders 3 same scoops?

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Especially when they enforce artificial deprivation in realms that have zero connection to their crowbarred in agenda.

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Hope this applies to their fag and lesbo customers too.

It's like horse armor, except made by freelance cunts getting pennies on the dollar because Bethesda couldn't make a decent game in the first place.

No, it's not. Paid mods do not fucking work for Bethesda games and never will because of all the compatibility issues that come up when everyone's install is using a different set of dozens of individual mods. The only acceptable form of monetization is a fucking tip jar that paywalls no content whatsoever, and that gives Bethesda a 5% cut at most with no minimum requirement for the modder to get paid. Anyone proposing any other model can fuck right off.

Well then, no need to buy anything from Banks&Jews anymore.

I didn't say anything about worshiping them. I just know some who make reliably good stuff.

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Thing is it's management that's pushed that shit out the clerk most likely couldn't give a fuck.

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If they ever start charging for the porn mods, it'll be an issue. Until then, who gives a shit

Really? That explains the TIDF popping up out of nowhere like clockwork.

B&J are batshit insane when it comes to pushing their political agenda. Search "Black Lives Matter + Ben & Jerry's" to get the quick rundown on why you should've steered clear of them years ago.

Also, they have a Colbert-sponsored flavored ice cream to meet additional cancer quotas.

Obviously they'll never do that, but I'd be worried about them making them outright illegal. They already made animations a bitch to mod with TES5, with some suspecting it was to stifle porn modding.

Were they involved with that bill nye icescream thing too?

HOLY FUCK HOW COULD I BE SO FUCKING STUPID
(((WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH ME)))
Forgive me Todd, for I have questioned your omnipotence.

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He's technically right that it isn't paid mods, Bethesda are contracting modders to create dlc for FO4 and Skyrim, there are a few differences between the old model and this new one, this one is better for the end consumer, but modders don't get paid for the sales of their content, they just get paid to make the content.

There are a few better things

This means that the engine is able to support it, either increasing the animation limit count to support new animations or access to the havok animation back-end to enable softbody simulation for things like flowing capes, maybe new engine features can be added to suport this content, not really sure.

Nah, it's more like horse armor but lots of different horse armors, potentially it means entirely new weapon types with new animations like spears, or flails, or a seasonal weather shader similar to what was shown in the bethesda game jam, things that can't really be done with current modding tools but ultimately it's probably lots and lots of cosmetic horse armors.

No, Bethesda hires them as a contractor and the developers get paid to make the mods, they don't get paid based on the sales of mods.

Why don't you ask Arkane Studios how that went for them? Or Obsidian?
Did you forget that part about modders only getting paid if their mod made a minimum ammount of money? It was something like 150$. Someone was selling a potion re-skinner for 2 bucks, sold it sixty times in the first month. 120$ bucks come month end. Not enough? It all gets flushed to obsidian (with Steam taking 30% of it).
I'm sure modders (((won't))) get screwed in the long run.
They deserve it.

Have you ever opened the Steam Workshop for anygame ever? Top download is always a tie between the 9001 damage sword, the "Famous axe of epic win" that turns out to be a reskin and some waifu with terrible recorded voice.
They won't get better. They'll get faster. Pump more mods = more money.
Make better mods = take more time to make them = make less money overtime.
Screencap this and then write it in fucking stone:
80% of the "DLC" will be cosmetic shit

Didn't expect that, did you? A cosmetic shop for singleplayer games. Don't act surprised, Assassin's Creed did it afterall.

I want you to open Nexusmods or the Steamworkshop, type "sword" in the search bar and count the number of reskins there are there. Have fun finding a mod that adds gameplay amidst the 39485394875 "epic demon sword of slaying everything!!!1!11!"
Number one rule for modders: want your mod to be seen by a lot of people? Check every tag available! It will show up in every search!
With money involved, don't be surprised when sockpuppets show up to 5 star a mod to the top of searchlists.

YOU COCK GOBLIN.
DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA WHAT IT TOOK FOR NEW ANIMATIONS TO BE ADDED TO SKYRIM?
DO YOU EVEN KNOW HOW MODDERS GOT THAT SHIT WORKING?
HAVE YOU EVER HEARD OF FNIS?
YOU SHIT PISSING FUCK NUGGET, YOU DESERVE DEATH

Good news everyone, you can finnaly kill Bethesda. How?
You fucking retard. They'll get paid through "milestones" and "targets fulfilled". And when some of them start realizing they're felating a very large dick instead of getting paid, guess what?
NON DISCLOSURE AGREEMENT

Jesus fuck, paid mods weren't that long ago and people arlready forgot all that shitheap entailed.

That aint people.

There's no hentai only a panda

Then we have to put them down like rabbit dogs.

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You can't just make a mod and put it up there, you actually have to make a pitch to Bethesda then Bethesda pays you to make the mod, probably next to nothing too, then they start paying you. You seem to be implying that I endorsed everything I typed, because I most certainly didn't.

Fnis doesn't allow new animations for weapon types, the only way currently to add that is to replace existing ones, at least last time I used Fnis.

I recommend you try reading before commenting next time, you clearly have no idea what the situation is, and I never said Bethesda is doing a good job, all I did was point out the facts related to Creation Club, in truth for end users it's better, for mod makers it's worse, You may hate this shit now but the biggest customers will be console users, and with the added functionality for those who may actually like Skyrim or Fallout 4 this will be beneficial, potentially opening up things not possible. potentially because I said in my first post, it's probably going to be mostly just horse armor, something you seemed to have ingored when replying to me.

For anyone who plays games strengthening bethesda is a wild card of fuckery.

you are actually retarded, nice to know.

I guess if the modders are actually bethsoft employees it's not actually paid mods, it's just the usual nickel-and-dime bullshit you see in freemium phone games and the like.
Of course the fact that this is for
A $60 FULL PRICED GAME
still puts bethsoft/zenimax ahead of the pack in the race for "most cancerous bullshit unleashed on the gaming public.

No, Valve, Ubisoft and EA are still in very close competition for that title.

Its not a mod, but a "game enhancement"

I mentioned FNIS because FNIS was the percursor. At first, it could only replace animations. Then they found "empty slots" they could stick some more in. I think it was 14 additional animations. Then it further evolved with the help of SKSE and now it's an unlimited ammount of animations.
Otherwise, pornmods wouldn't be possible.
Of course you don't know that, because you don't follow such base and degrading things, right?

Why the fuck am I responding to Trainwiz/one of his cockgobbling fans?
Shit, I think I'm stupid.

Nah user, you simply care and have a shred of decency unlike the Jewish golems defending Bethesda and their kike practices.

Hi, Trainwiz!
Say hello, everybody!

The boogeyman of the internet strikes again.

Regarding new animations in Skyrim, the best community to talk with is the porn community, as they found they were shafted on purpose by Bethesda, who didn't wanted a repeat of what Oblivion was and severely gimped the fuck out of their ability to create new animations and use them in-game.
Before FNIS, it was idle-animations being replaced and played with some hacked up solution, FNIS was practically a revolution and everything after that as well.

The most interesting thing about FNIS however is that it was a tool specifically for other people to make more mods with, much like SKSE. The implications of this are dire; if every mod was paid, every single mod that requires a previous one would imply there's "pre-requisite DLC" at best or an extra cost for every DLC so the author could pay the royalties of every dependance they worked on.
Even worse, suppose that SKSE sells out and lists their "mod" in the shop? Everyone that wanted to make mods for free that require SKSE now has to pay for it and everyone that downloads said mods are either pirating them or paying for the dependancy.
The implications of this all are so horrible it's suprising the conversation even needs to go further.

But let's. If Bethesda controls the tools and decides what's made, it's their ideas that get into mods, not to mention copyright issues. You liked dressing up as Darth Vader or a Nazi General in FO4? Well that's Disney's stuff or offensive stuff, say goodbye to it. You want your survival needs with the autistic levels of Imp's More Complex Needs? Sorry, that's too hard for most people and likely wouldn't sell that much, enjoy your watered down alternatives.
You have a cool new idea for a mod? Fuck that, here's your milestone: make 5 recolors of Deathclaws so we can sell them, fail that and you get nothing.

But if this isn't enough, you know what the fuck this will lead to? Indie dev studios devoted entirely to making DLC for Bethesda. One person alone is never gonna make anything better than sword re-colors that's profitable for the time it would take. But a team of devs could shorten dev time that it would be profitable depending on how good it ends up being.
But the problem is that, instead of having said Devs making their own game and growing the industry, they'll now be using gimped tools, be bound to a AAA company and only for 25% of it with something that barely matters in their resume.

This is like several 5-man teams picking up RPGmaker and modding CoD for the profit of Activision and a 25% cut to them. It's the most horrible thing you could make for the sake of creative freedom, binding several creators to the whims and tools of a single company that makes 75% of profit out of someone else's work and ends up owning it too.

This isn't about wanting free mods (and if you go with that, what's to say about Bethesda wanting the mods for themselves?) since you know very well anyone against this wouldn't pay for those mods in the first place. It's a market demographic that doesn't exist, much like complaining that piracy is about "just wanting free shit".

If there is one thing that corporate shills excel at, it's creating markets where none existed before. They come in, fuck everything up, set up shop, and call it "civilization" and "progress".

You know what? Fuck my whole post. The idea of using an alternative currency exists only so the real cost of things is obfuscated and so they can un-align costs with how many points you buy. You buy 500 coins but a mod costs you 300 so you're left with 200 "only 100 and I could buy another mod… Hum, let's buy another 500 so I can buy 2 more mods!"

It's a very old marketing trick used specifically for psychological manipulation and this alone should be enough to damn the whole thing.
Fuck everyone that even tries to defend an idea that starts by handling itself like a chinese MMO cashop knockoff.

So. In light of all this, what are the chances that the SKSE64 team got leaned on to abandon the project and site 'life issues'?

What a bum.

They've been working on F4SE instead.

You deserve all ills that befall you in life

That page was removed, user. It's a bit hard to find something that was deleted.

Page 5 is still there, the text is just different because the pic posted was an edit.

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Just so the last verse gets put in there

It's funny. I called this shit back in the horse armor days, and I was called a tin foil hat retard with a shitty, slippery slope argument.

Wew.

KEK
the mod "contractors" will soon find out that this is a fucking scam

the slippery slope is real. Its been almost 2 decades since Horse Armour, look at the damage it did to the industry. We now live in an age where every game has DLC. The next natural progression is that every game will now have cash shops and microtransactions.

I hate Bethesda customers with a passion and have no sympathies at all for them. If this blows up in their faces GOOD. Stop making video games so shit.

They should've just bought the nexus and adopted the YouTube method of making money.

Hasn't youtube been a giant money sink for google though?

oh, so it's payed (tots not mods guzs!) DLC content…

It makes a fuckton of money and that's why they put their experimental ventures in the same division.

Great counter-argument, Trainfaggot.

I mean if everyone keeps calling him a faggot that's sure to convince him.

Well, it's not like he's arguing in good faith anyway.

I can't wait until everything crashes and burns.

Calling him a cuck and a faggot and a bitch probably isn't enticing him to cooperate or answer questions in the first place though.

Also, I cannot for the life of me find anything about the terms these modders agreed to. So… What, are they still getting 25 cents on the dollar, but only if Zenimax gets $400 first, like they tried to pull with Steam's Paid Mods program? I mean, I'm not opposed to this, but I quite frankly do not trust Zenimax to do the right thing. Especially now that they're going full patent troll in the VR sector.

Same, I will never stop reminding faggots about horse armor.

I think they're getting paid a commission fee, apparently at the same rate as any other contractor. Whatever that is.

Germany legalized faggotry yesterday.

Yeah, see, that's the other thing that pisses me off. No matter how hard I look, I cannot find any specifics about how they get paid anywhere, just "they get paid, trust us." At least when I upload, say, a Minecraft texture pack to Curse and opt into their points program, I can look at their FAQ and see that each point is five cents, and that allocation is based on web traffic. And this is Curse we're talking about, they have a pretty shit reputation to begin with.

If he's this easily triggered by strong language he can fuck off. No wonder he's at home on tumblr. The fact that the guy is arguing as he is shows that there was never any hope for him in the first place. It's disgusting.

I think it's more the idea that if you're going to call him a fag and expect him to not call you retarded is retarded. Looking at his blog if you ask him normally he responds normally.

Is anyone even answering questions about this besides him? Do we know if anyone else is in?

I'll say this much, if they respond that they're not at liberty to discuss the terms, that's an immediate red flag.

And you can call someone retarded and still argue in good faith. He's been on here and halfchan to know this and yet somehow I'm supposed to believe that such is a foreign concept to him and think that he needs to have his balls coddled like his fanbase does to him. No, he can fuck off if he is that soft.

Everyone has their breaking points, and going through it looks like people keep asking him the same questions over and over.

Morrowind has no mandatory mods. Morrowind's mods generally enhance or add to an already good game, they don't fix gamebreaking flaws like in Oblivion or polish a turd like in Skyrim.

And other people don't? And if he keeps getting hit with the same question over and over, he can merely refer people to where he answered them. It's not that fucking hard. How in the blue hell is answering questions voluntarily online supposed to be such an arduous task that this bitch is going to be unable to argue in good faith? His feelings got hurt by shit someone said online and he is so ass-blasted he can't argue in good faith. Top fucking kek.

Or people could just go back a few pages. I mean, this still comes down to him somehow having to treat people who insult him with courtesy or be nice to them.

Or he could ignore them. You're trying to make the answering of questions he does not have to seem like an arduous task because somehow his feelings are getting hurt. That's fucking hilarious.

This comes down to him being so easily rattled that he can't argue in good faith because his feelings got hurt. He's getting up there with Apollodown in terms of softness now. Then again, he has always been a bitch. If he is that rattled, maybe he should find himself a nice hugbox and stay there.

What's he done before?

Trainwiz can go to hell for all I care and he can take his idiotic mods and menagerie of sycophants with him.

Are the archives for the old tes generals from halfchan /vg/ still up? If so you should find a few threads and some from halfchan Holla Forums but mostly he gets ass-blasted over the littlest things. One that comes to mind is getting mad at someone for assuming Brhuce Hammer was a follower mod, then getting his fanbase to throw a fit at that person, despite the fact that such a mod is listed as a follower mod on not only Steam but also the tesg website that would later follow. I wouldn't have cared if it wasn't for the fact that the person wasn't really asserting anything other than he disliked the voice-acting but admitted that it was a good mod.

In any case, he should go hide in a hugbox if he is this easily triggered.

I'll be glad to see those guys go.

I'm looking through them and can't find anything. The one thing I can find is some guy called Aqualung who stalked him for over a year.

There was also an incident where he got into it with someone over lore. He was wrong and the other guy right but he didn't want to admit it. I only remember that because that's where one of his followers said "Even when Trainwiz is wrong, he's right" or something like that. You can search that line because I'm sure it should come up. I had hoped he or she was joking but he or she seemed sincere. That's when I understood the name "Church of Trainwiz" for his followers.

That discussion about lore also involved some issue about giving credit to some modder. I wasn't paying that much attention but the other guy did back up his claims with links so it was hard to dispute him.

I'm not finding anything or any variation on that. I found something where some teenage girl is yelling at him because she says native americans aren't real, but that's it.
Are you making these up?

No wait, there's something where he didn't give credit for a model being rigged for some armor, though he gave the guy credit for modeling it. Is this it?

No. I have no reason to honestly. I dislike paid mods or any variation of it and his support of such a system is enough for me to disregard him. I'm not an avid user of his mods so I am less bothered by his decision, and he and his followers come across as annoying, though to be fair, he is the least annoying of all of that.

Possibly. I have poor recall of that incident since it was some time ago and I chalked much of the shit to internet drama.

sensationalist dumbass their main priority is selling mods to console kiddies and there's no way sosnooley or microshaft will allow 3rd party addons like FNIS or SKSE on their botnetboxes

Yeah, all I'm finding in old stuff is either him posting normally, posting about his mods, or helping people with scripts. And he makes Morrowind quest mods or loot overhauls?
I mean, if he makes quest mods for this and they're big in size, that'd be something I could see people paying for.

People will pay for anything, as paid mods proved the last time they rolled it out. The issue is the effect it will have on the modding community. It will not be a good one, since schisms will form and you'll get companies having more and more control, say, and input to what should be something that individuals should have control over.

The last time this happened the community was united against it, and this time people are debating but nothing seems to be tearing people apart, there doesn't seem to be any sort of schisms or even signs of ones. Do we even know who's in this apart from trainwiz (who looking at his tumblr says he was no longer actively making mods in the first place)?

Quite the shill, aren't we?

If you're going to make claims, you're going to have to back them up with evidence. That's how it works. I can't find any actual dirt on this guy. So either put up or shut up.

Your manipulative language exposes you. It's not about arguments. Arguments don't matter when the foundation is rotten.

Wow what a fucking loser, and on top of all that his mods are terrible. They ruined the modding community for basically everyone.

Then prove to me that "the foundation is rotten", does this guy have posts on here that are archived? You said he frequented threads.

But how?

No, this did drive a wedge between those in favor of paid mods and those against it. Nexus, as cancerous as it is, is a good example of this since you had some modders who took off due to paid mods and some who took off due to it being discarded. Some are still butthurt to this day. I recall one leaving a message on his page and taking off. As for the debates, the problem with those was that many shills plagued the whole thing, dragging down discussion with bullshit. It was terrible.

Who actually left over this latest paid mods?

What do you mean how? These people went hard in on paid mods, and created a rift so broad, and so deep it will never go away. Burning bridges? This not only did that it put in tiger traps, and stakes just for good measure.

He's just asking stupid questions until there is no answer left and then proclaims victory. It's part of his shillery.

Sorry, I'm asking how his mods ruined the modding community for everyone.

Many are from halfchan Holla Forums which many are not archived. My first example was from there and from long ago. Even more so, anyone from any variation of Holla Forums being rustled by "abusive" language online is disgraceful. In any case, I find it interesting he is throwing it in with Bethesda/Zenimax when he violated some TOS with TES online and posted something he wasn't supposed to post. I wonder if they will get bum-rustled over that.

How did you miss Chesko actually quitting modding for a while, or the guy who made Diamond Armor for Skyrim throwing a tantrum, only coming back recently? And are you implying that there was no wedge driven in the community by this issue? Seriously?

I didn't say his mods did. To clarify it was the attitudes of modders that turned places like the nexus into a hugbox like tumblr. This was already bad, but it was their support of paid mods that was the final straw. These communities will probably never recover. They've slated the earth.

Wasn't chesko one of the guys who supported paid mods and quit because he was getting harassed?

It does seem like it.

That's what I said. Chesko and some others took off when paid mods fell apart. Chesko came back but various others stayed away for much longer when it was removed. When paid mods hit, other modders took down their mods or set them to hidden. Even the guy who rank Nexus (or one of the moderators) did a write-up commenting on this and/or a video talking about this.

Also, the harassment was never proven and just his word so I find it interesting you would take his word on the issue but not take the word of someone else in regards to Trainwiz all the while not being able to defend much of this bullshit. Wew.

Okay, but has anything like that actually happened with this latest fiasco? Has Chesko said anything, there's a survival mode mod so he's either evidently in or Bethesda is ripping him off.

But user, surely it's not trainwiz himself defending his virtue on infinity of all places.

I was in the Holla Forums threads at the time. People were calling for his head, I wouldn't be surprised if that happened elsewhere.

Nah, he wouldn't come here and just like that remove any doubt about the kind of twat he is.

It does seem like it. He certainly sounds like him and uses the same argumentation that he is fond of.

Do you have proof?

Yes.
boards.fireden.net/_/search/text/Chesko/order/asc/
Not a lot of happy words for Chesko, I'll see if I can dig up the Holla Forums threads as well.

Mere discussion on an imageboard is not harassment. Show proof that he was actually harassed.

And to add, by this measure that means every video game feminist is correct in that they've been harassed. That's silly.

That's one part of a larger amount of comments condemning him, I can also dig up the shit from other websites addressed directly to him, how far do you want me to go before it's considered harassment. Plus Chesko always seemed like a pussy anyway, and never got any real negative comments before. You don't think he wouldn't quit over everyone turning against him?

But they *were*! Didn't you read the (((news)))?

Condemnation is not harassment and most if not all comments were condemning him or the actions he took. And he left after the FNIS creator got on his case for using his animations for a paid mod without his consent.

Top kek.

So either way, the guy that actually left was a paid modder?

Yes, he left then came back while the guy who made the Diamond armor mod left when paid mods was scrapped, only recently coming back. Then you have the mods that were hidden due to the whole affair.
nexusmods.com/skyrim/news/12459/?

Wew. And the diamond armor doesn't look good. In fact it looks bad, why are you using this as an example. Otherwise this doesn't seem like it destroyed the community so much as caused a brief schism and I'm not seeing any evidence that anything is destroying it now. All the big modders are coming out saying they won't be paid like last time, but looking at the general attitude it really doesn't seem to be some end-of-times split.

Now look what a huge fucking cunt you are. You should hook up with the goons, you'd fit right in.

Is there anything actually incorrect in those statements? No? Then you're a massive faggot.

The level of (((correctness))) doesn't make you any less of a cunt.

I might be a cunt, but you're an honest-to-god retard.

umad?

You sure do sound like Trainwiz right about now.

Yes, Holla Forumstards infuriate me.

You know if you're going to hang around to sending me stupid asks, the least you can do is invite me in.

No way man I'm the real Trainwiz

You can't be, I devoured all my brothers at the beginning of the universe. Except for that one teenage Korean kid who keeps making league of legends videos.

I thought I was?

Is there any modding communities that aren't Nexus's hugbox but can provide gud content?

Fuck off, i ain't registering on that shit (even with fucking throwaway shitmail) to watch some ex-shit especially they start blocking us from seeing their shit without proxy shit.
Again, fuck off. It's better to get (You) and hentai.org ills that befall in (You)rs and their fucking disgusting asscuntpieceofshit life.
Faggot.

t. mad butthurt user

here's some recommendations, you can ignore the clothing mods if you don't like making a qt waifu, oh and get Wrye Mash

ModDB. Its far far superior to Nexus since it has pretty much every game ever in its network. Its where I get the bulk of my mods from because fuck steam.

Why dont some anons just save all of trainwiz posts supporting bethesdas paid mods before and now, and when it inevitably ends up destroying the mod scene for Skyrim SE and Fallout 4 the pics and the aftermath can be used to destroy support for his game when he finally finishes developing it, assuming he ever finishes it. Could turn him into a pariah by simply pointing out how he helped and supported a 20 year old community out of greed. If done right it could make his game a commercial failure and complete flop.

simply pointing out how he helped and supported the destruction of a 20 year old community out of greed*

Because the two things are separated and mixing the two together is playing identity politics.
His game should fail or succeed on it's own merits, not the fame or infamy of it's author.

What could happen and it would be quite karmic and funny is if he ended up doing more money with the game than with any modding, or if he ended up having no time to make his game because he's busy making DLC for bethesda.
Or nobody wants to mod the game he makes out of principle.

Not at all. Anons would simply be pointing out the moral character and previous actions of the wiz. If he doesnt want to be judged on his actions maybe he shouldnt make them?

I disagree with that given its that kind of shit that allowed Peter Molyneux to thrive. The infamy is well deserved and it should tarnish the reputation of any game so that people are aware of the shit they pull. Its why its good when people move studio to studio and their bad reputations follow them, because it helps the consumer know which companies to avoid supporting.

Sadly games do not stand on their own merits. This is why Bethesda's games only stand because of things they did some 25 years ago. Molyneux was the exact same.

Bad Reputations should be like STDs, you want to avoid working with these studios to avoid getting the infection yourself.

That's actually a lot since some of those 40,000 are from duplicate accounts and those were the ones who actually bothered to reach out to him and claim this is why they were hiding their mods instead of hiding their mods and leaving a message up saying it was due to paid mods. The simple fact of the matter is that you are trying to defend paid mods without addressing the actual problems it causes and trying to defend Trainwiz while ignoring the fact that nothing he ever does will change the fact that this is paid mods by another name. The funny part is, you act like the community came together against the previous issue of paid mods and somehow act like this current issue of paid mods will not result in a similar backlash is mind-boggling. You're either a shill or the stupidest person on earth, especially since at the end of the day, as long as people dislike the idea of paying for something they can get for free, they will always view this shit with disdain and view those that support such a thing with even greater scorn.

No I can see why people would not want to support someone who is trying to destroy some aspect of their lives, even if it is something as "trivial" as mods. Anita was just trying to fuck over games (she didn't even have to make one) but we saw how far her bullshit went when allowed to run unchecked.

You are free to judge the man but not the game. You don't have to like the author of something to enjoy it after all.
Consequences for what someone says that extend that far are just punishment for disagreeing with the majority, something that never should be done even when the majority is right as is the case.
It's the principle of free speech, everyone gets to talk free of consequences, even if it's to spew the turds that faggot is.

On the contrary. Peter Molyneux enjoyed much sucess on his latest shitty tiles because of the game he had previously. If people had judged Fable and following games on their own merits, they'd just be shitty sub-par RPGs but because those games and even Godus was made by Molyneux, people actually expected something as good as Dungeon Keeper or Theme Hospital or Black and White.

His infamy is well deserved but acting on it instead of judging the game on it's own leads to the same bullshit that you get when he had fame instead of infamy. Seriously, stop falling for this shit.

If they don't stand on their own merits they aren't very good games to begin with. You mention Bethesda and it's a good example since both Fallout 1 and 2 were good on their own merits. Fallout 2 certainly enjoyed some fame from the previous game but on it's own was a pretty good game. Meanwhile Fallout 3 only got the attention it had because it had Fallout on it's name and in the end it did not stand on it's own at all. Same thing with Elder Scrolls games past Morrowind or Daggerfall.

No, bad reputations should be carefull signs. It's stupid to outright burn the bridges yourself, instead you just know to be more carefull. Modders can still sign contracts with them even knowing the story of bullshit Bethesda and Zenimax do to everyone, but they should know by that to re-read the contract at least 5 times for the fine print.

Not like you can stop her, can you? You can choose to not support her work at all since it's not even work to begin with, but past that you can't really do much.

There are a few studios that obviously want to pander to her and her audience. Not supporting those studios simply because of that is stupid, it might or might not affect the quality in the end. But if the writing ends up being shoddy feminism pandering and badly written, than there's your reason to not support it, because of the game's own merits or lack off.

O, be some other name!
What's in a name? that which we call a turd
By any other name would smell as shit;
So Creation Club would, were it not Creation Club call'd,

BTW, The only reason why these "creators" are being "contracted" is so that when they steal someone else's mod assets - you essentially have to take on the Zenimax legal goon squad to get retribution. Whether or not you could win the case is irrelevant, they'll just tie you up in court until you bankrupt yourself… so who the fuck is going to mortgage their house to even bother trying to fight back?

To combat this, you realize that Bethesda is going to cease offering the Creation Kit/GECK to the community for free - and will either charge an exuberant fee for it, or will likely only make it available upon the contingient that you become a member of the Creator's Club, at which point, you'll be locked into an EULA which states that you will be financially and legally reprimanded for misuse of the software. Since these mods are now "contract work", they are Bethesda's property, and they will come after you for pirating (or enabling the piracy of mods) just as sure as if you were pirating their official DLC.

Wouldn't be surprised at all if future versions of the CK/GECK didn't allow you to save mods locally - but instead you were forced to upload them to BethesdaNet and then re-download them locally. That way they have an archive of your work for traceability and can use that as evidence against you.

I can choose not to give money to people who give their money or help actively fuck over things I like. Why in the blue hell would I want to see someone who is out to destroy something I like do well? Do you honestly expect someone to be so pathetic that they would help fuck themselves over on one aspect for a fucking video game? That's beyond stupid and you're an idiot for not seeing that this is the issue at hand. There is no reason to help someone who is fucking over something I care about. I'm willing to skip out on a game for that.

Would you buy a game from someone who is funding efforts to fuck you over simply because it is good? You're an idiot if you don't have the restraint to not buy a game when that dev or company is willingly fucking you over in some other aspect. You are so given unto your predilections that you would see one aspect of your life fucked with over a game. This is what you are advocating. That someone should discomfort themselves for the sake of Trainwiz. This is what you are advocating. You're beyond disgusting. Thankfully, many people aren't going to hand money to someone who is fucking them over on one hand for the mere sake of a stupid game. Maybe he or his defense force will try and come up with some bullshit about how it is a moral duty to give him money. I wouldn't put it past you faggots to try.

Pretty much this

Modding will finally and truly be dead at that point. I look forward to some of the cunts defending the current version to defend this as well.