Death as a disaster

With a recent surge of permadeath-with-meta-progression games I caught myself wondering when was the last time I dreaded dying in a video game.
I mean those indieshits not only don't punish you for dying, they actually encourage it with permanent upgrades and collectible resources that even incentivise dying so you can restart stronger and have easier time.

Even in games like Dark Souls that sell themselves as SO HARCORE dying is not a big deal, since save spots are geographically close to each other and those souls or other currency you lose is easy to replenish, unless you deliberately wasn't spending it for hours. You don't really lose anything meaningful in it as well. Only time I feared death was my first visit to blight town in Dark Souls 1 because not only I didn't know the area, but my weapon also was broken somewhere in the middle of it and I had no means of repairing it. So even when I got to the bonfire in the middle of it and rested at it without thinking I realized just how fucked I am. That was a single episode in an entire game though, the rest felt safe as shit at all times.

So what was is the kind of game where you are like "oh shit I'd rather tear my ass down but not die, because that will fuck up everything". Back in the day arcade and home console games were kinda like that because you had limited amount of retries, and if you got as far as to the end of the game dying to the last boss would mean hours of time and real progress lost.
Are there any recent/decent games like this?
Do you miss dying being meaningful and dreadful gameplay mechanic? Mind I'm not talking about overall difficulty there, but about something being the heaviest punishment game can inflict on you for playing poorly.

Try real life. Take the jew hunting quest.

I've seen my Steam friends playing two games: Hollow Knight and Dead Cells.

The former actually looks tolerable, the latter was a roguelike with PERMANENT UPGRADES

Wow. Lucky.

Most of death meaning something translates to reload the game, and the rest is generally there to artificially pad the content with grind. The real problem isn't the lack of punishment if you fail but rather the lack of effort required to succeed.

I don't understand.


I don't think Hollow Knight has permadeath though.

Lives system was the best. Lose all of them - start from the very beginning without anything.

Grimdawn, diablo ect all have that feel
You lose EXP when you die
In the later levels it fucks you over
Also GrimDawn dungeons are fucking painful unless your one of the OP builds like fucking retaliation its fucking dreadful being a glass cannon in maps that are basically filled with shit on the ground that kills in a few seconds and its everywhere

STALKER: Call of Chernobyl mod has a permadeath option. When you die, it deletes all saves for that character.

I can't play it any other way now. It adds tension, requires planning and careful assessment and it is a huge relief when you escape from a dicey situation. Progressing to better suits and gear is meaningful and rewarding. It is the most engaging game I have played in years.

The underground sections might give you PTSD though.

I'm honestly surprised that it's not Sweden.

Path of exile on hardcore. You don't have an option to play on super safe bitch mode (unless you build your character around that in which case you'll be slow as fuck and take forever to clear even low tier maps), and will eventually be forced to push yourself into dangerous bullshit to get anywhere. Granted you will eventually get to a point where you character can't go any further and you've farmed enough stuff to make a better character, but that just makes dying even more of a risk because all of the time you spent farming could go to waste in an instant if you fuck up.

Self-imposed challenges are the best kind of difficulty.
Isn't the satisfaction of completing a tough challenge worth it even if no one else saw it?

Canada also did the awful "Beige power" song.

I like some tactics games that put a malice on you if you die. I think there should be a compromise, either go back a big chunk at a expense of nothing or go back a little bit at an expense.
One example I had in mind was Spiral Knights, when you died you either had to use up a spark of life(I don't remember if it was a premium thing or not) or wait until one of your teammates share half their current health with you. It put great emphasis on teamwork and being able to stick together and rationing each other's health.
Then a fucking update came along and removed that shit because that's too good of an idea or something.

the what?

Not all indie games are shit nigger go back to playing your mainstream and sub mainstream tripple A games

You've played Dark Souls, and yet you still refer to bonfires as "save spots," good job OP you are retarded.

What are they if not save spots?


Indieshit is indieshit mate.

this game has a permadeath option

Wow, is that dark souls of euro truck simulators?

They're area resets, estus flask recharges, and teleporters. But they don't save your game, because your game is automatically fucking saved.

But they *save you from suffering.

Vanilla World of Warcraft had the corpse run, which could be very time consuming depending on where you died, unless you used the spirit healer in which case going back to the area you died probably wasn't in your best interest because of the 25% equipment damage and resurrection sickness. Add this to the fact that raids could turn sour in an instant and the whole game becomes a test of endurance where you have to stay aware and awake for as long as possible until the raid is over, or else you and your whole group will die and have to run back to the instance. I'm pretty sure they removed all this though in the expansion packs after The Burning Crusade in an attempt to streamline and casualize the game to the then massive player-base.

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no cause you actually have to start over. say goodbye to the 5 hours you took building your damn car

Funny, so have my friends. It's either Hollow Knight or Dead Cells. What the fuck is it with those two games.

The fuck is this game?

Spoiler: they are good fucking games.

Hollow Knight from what I played is a super overrated metroidvania that everyone jizzed over.
Dead cells is a metroidvania roguelite that's also being hailed as being a super good game, but I haven't played it because it's fucking early access.

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Any roguelike. The more you have to lose, the more tension and fear you have from death.

Any sjws behind Dead Cells?

I don't know. I just buy games that I find fun to play.

I'd feel like a right asshole if I did that.

Dying in games isn't supposed to be a big deal. It's so that you get penalized by having to go back a ways into the game and redo the section in a more perfect way than your prior attempt.

I'm confused. Is the Canadian approach to diversity like South Park or is this a parody?

Then the islamists they're importing cull the faggots who let this culturally suicidal sentiment proliferate and in the worst kind of ironic way the problem gets solved.

Death still matters in roguelikes, even ones with permanent upgrades. Omega Labyrinth lets you upgrade your characters between dungeons, with them learning skills and permanent stat-ups, but doing so requires Omega Power - which, like everything else, you lose if you die in a dungeon.

It definitely recaptures that "Death would be VERY BAD" feeling that you got in older games. I almost had a throw-my-Vita moment when I got killed on floor 70 of the game's 99-floor postgame dungeon and lost the 10,000+ points I'd stockpiled (and my K-cup).

#Abdul drives a truck into crowds,
Fasil hangs out near playgrounds,
Mohammed rapes your brainwashed daughter,
as Ali leads your son to slaughter.#

So diverse.

Probably some iron man games or shit like Battletoads.

Remember that one-hit-kill and permadeath aren't good designs, it just makes the game unforgiving and harder and longer (since you die and have to restart in the beginning).

is the game good, besides the "bigger power means bigger boobs" thing of course

Free as in constantly fucked in the ass by the government?
Do these fuckers have the slightest idea what would happen were they actually set free?

Shit like that comes out of Quebec and Ontario freely. On the Western end of Canada (such as BC and Alberta), that kind of shit doesn't really stand. I mean there are gay guys, but they get ignored more than anything. It's tolerance in so much as we're not lynching and beating up gays, which is close enough.

Old Tibia.

That image is bullshit. Australians couldn't even beat a pack of birds.

Hollow Knight is a metroidvania game, and a pretty good one too. It doesn't involve "permadeath with upgrades," it has your standard "die and get sent back to the last save point" system. IIRC it also has a kind of "drop your currency when you die and go back to pick it up" thing going on as well.

Doom, Doom 2 and Final Doom as dying forces you to restart with only a pistol

Diablo 2 as you lose nearly all gold you were carrying and at higher difficulties a percentage of experience acquired

How 'bout Diablo 3, Fam?

I'm kidding. I'm kidding. But, for real, though, how about D3?

To be fair, neither could anyone else if they had to fight them. Cassowaries have quite the reputation for eviscerating people with their talons, which are as long as short swords. Even bullet proof armor wouldn't save you.

You lose the game by playing it.

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And you'd be wrong. It's still there, all of it.
I think the only change they made was adding a ghost flying mount for certain areas, but that's it.

I see what you did there.

Here's my question.
Are there any rogue-lites/likes that have persistent worlds?
So that although your character is dead the changes and differences you made in a previous life are still there?
The only game I can think of is Dwarf Fortress: Adventurer Mode and I guess MineCraft but that doesn't fit the criteria at all as theres no roleplaying elements.

Don't get me started, that shit was awful. A small increase in ping would throw you into a stress induced panic if you were anywhere close something that could kill you in less than 3 seconds, which was rather common.

Losing your whole inventory + 10% chance for each piece of equipment + a whooping 10% of your total experience was no joke, high level characters would lose several levels on death.

I've seen that shit before and I still need chemotherapy because of it.

The ironic thing about that topic is that as much as they want it to, racemixing is still relatively rare (for whites anyway). I guess some things you simply can't easily win with subversion, ingrained biological instincts being one of them. People prefer to be with and among their own. While racemixing is technically a threat to white homogeneity as an actual thing, it isn't really a threat by numbers. I forget what the actual value is but it's something like less than 2 percent of the white population ever has mixed race kids.
You wouldn't know that by just looking around at all the progressive bullshit and propaganda being flung about, but it's a whole lot more rare than (((they))) would like it to be.

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Come back after you've launched your GitGud.exe

Nah. For real, though. Games shouldn't discourage players from playing - that's counter-intuitive.

Well, I don't remember it. So they must have made it next to impossible to fail.

Fuck people who bring their passions into reality, right? Superior people bitch about everything on the internet.

Yeah okay, person who never played Shadowbane, Everquest on a PvP server, Ragnarok, Darkfall or any real MMO where player interactions matter and actions have consequences, rather than a simple dungeon buttonmash game that calls itself an MMO because it has a worldchat and an auction house.

I fucking hate dying in poe because of lags or similar bullshit. But I am perfectly fine with death because of my fault. Poe has too much random death bullshit.

How could you possibly haven't noticed? I can understand not dying while leveling if you're playing in a non-pvp realm, but there's no way you never died when raiding.


It was odd though, having such a harsh death penalty really changed the way the game was played, but I wouldn't say it discouraged it.

What actually discouraged playing the game was the absolute shitfest of a community it had.

Being terrified of death is the only way an MMO can be fun for me. Tibia made you lose your backpack, one random equipped item, and 10% of your total experience points (about one level) upon death, and the world is filled to the brim with monsters that will fuck your shit up in seconds if you take a wrong turn at Albuquerque. Running from a lured Giant Spider was absolutely terrifying.

EVE Online has you risking very expensive ships, and if they blow up your pod as well you will lose either an expensive clone or a skill level that probably took you months of training to obtain.

Hollow Knight also has your death spawn an enemy that you have to kill to get your shit back. I wish more games would do that sort of thing

EVE Online is complete utter garbage, and not because of the death risks. If you actually play that you need to drop whatever you're doing and off yourself immediately.

Eat shit faggot. You've clearly never been in a huge alliance and flown in massive fleets of battleships and stealth bombers, shit gets intense.

However I stopped playing shortly before the $80 Monocles we're implemented for the failed Walking In Stations Avatars. Had a few good years with it though back in the day.

Also site made me fill out another captcha, I think my ID might change for this post.

I like living, fuck that game.

Seemed like a 50% for me with my luck. The highest level I got was 28 in that shit.
Still, I have some good memories from it.

That's an issue with pseudorandom number generators, especially if the generator re-initializes the RNG for every roll. I've done a good bit of testing, and I find that all of the "best" RNGs have the same issue, which is that they tend to always roll impossible odds.

Like Final Fantasy Tactics, how many times does something with a 12% chance succeed in a fucking row? I've done up to 10 times in a row. People argue "that means it's a good RNG, because it can roll under 12% 10 times in a row!" and I say bullshit, because it's really consistent for the enemies to pull asspull rolls like that, there's something wrong with these RNGs.

When your RNG rolls that many rolls so close together, it implies the exact opposite of random.

It's what made me grow to hate crafting in Final Fantasy XIV – 98% chance of success, and yet you failed that fucking roll so regularly.

Would you believe both of these are from the same country?

That is one sexy hick. Shame he's a leaf.

Ever since I was a kid I've hated Shaun Majumder.

Man if I ever got a wish it would be just living as a hick in a remote farming town, doing nothing but farming and chilling with a friend and a small community.
you do crossfit? You can cross fuck off!

That show tries so hard to be a better Trailer Park Boys.

Anything before FE10. It had permadeath, but it felt harsh because characters are tied significantly to the plot as opposed to being generic randonly named units.

Runescape in the Wilderness

M8, real hicks live in small villages or single farms with no one living in the sight range. And just chilling out gets old fast, faster than shitposting here. Speaking from experience.

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Provided you like roguelikes, yes, it's actually excellent. It does all the usual stuff you expect from the genre, plus appraising items by squeezing 'em between your characters' boobs. Also it has a pathfinding dash feature which is so good I really missed it when I went on to Shiren 5.

It's not exceptionally hard (except for the aforementioned 99-floor bonus dungeon, which is horrifyingly difficult - your level is capped at 1 for the entire dungeon, though your boobs increase as normal and you can find stat-boosting items), but it's good fun. Lots of fanservice, too, but you probably expected that. Reasonably friendly to non-Japanese speakers too, if you write up a chart of what all the item names mean.

That's J? Looks more like an H.

Hardcore mode in Minecraft or Terraria.

I played on a hardcore serber in Terraria with Holla Forums and it was pure suffering. I think I died about 15 times before quitting entirely.

F, Chad Thundercock

In the later games in the series, sure. Blight Town aside, there are many areas in Dark Souls where running back to your corpse money is a daunting prospect: Catacombs and Tomb of the Giants, the Depths, New Londo Ruins, and the Great Hollow spring to mind, although the last one is tense mostly due to the risk of falling.

The Surge actually improved upon this mechanic by adding a timer to the money you drop when you die. You have 2:30 to get from where you spawn to where you died, and killing enemies gives you 15s. Really lights a fire under your ass and forces you to play differently.


What are you, fourteen? Do your research.

Everything in that game is good on paper, but it's just boring to actually play. I stopped after like 2 hours, I don't know what's actually wrong with it, especially since I'm big soulsfag.

All MMOs are the same shit anyway. I only played vanilla WoW because it was the sequel to Warcraft 3.

Lack of enemy variety, probably. The opening area has:
Which makes sense for enemies in the first area, since the game has so much mechanical depth most players are bound to grapple with it for a while. But after that, the next two areas have:
And that's about it, barring the welding robots. Then once you progress through Resolve Biolabs, they introduce the security jaguar enemies who behave more like minibosses given how much damage they deal and how heavily their attacks track.

It's a good game, and I've enjoyed my time with it, but it has a real lack of variety. The level design is wonderful but the enemies are just a bit too generic to make good use of it.

ZAngband was the last game I played where I truly dreaded dying, but it's a permadeath roguelike.

FUCK no. I never really dreaded death in 99% of games because it always meant 'ugh, now I have to slog through a bunch of dumb bullshit I'm already getting sick of yet again." Punishing a player with repetition and boredom never sat well with me.

Yeah I played a MUD. Each stat had 50% chance to go down 1, skills could all drop, and you lost 3-4 levels. Basically could lose weeks of playing per death.
Oh and equipment was freely lootable to anyone passing by your corpse before you got back; which is highly likely since they probably killed you to begin with. So that could be another month or two lost. The ridiculously rare gear was barely even an upgrade from what you could get in 5 minutes.

One of my early programming classes had everyone generate a random number using the function. Everyone had the same result. Random and computer totally opposite.
Then there are the retards who say RNG is RNG when they talk about loot box slot machines. "If you keep gambling you'll get rich eventually."

Probably because you're considering the chance of losing something, which would be higher than 10% since you're actually rolling that chance for every single item equipped with the exception of containers which always drop.

Since you should have a total of 7 items equipped (helmet, armor, pants, boots, necklace, weapon and shield), then your chances of losing at least one item become around 52%.

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Miss me yet?

Sure, you can be any mandated muslim you want

The problem with xcom is lying chances. In easy mode you have +20% chance to hit, in hard mode you get -20% chance to hit. And players are not notified about this for some reason. Kind of like ds2 rolling works, where animation is not related to i-frames whatsoever.

I chill out by building shit.
A million acres of forest, water, and sky would house everything I want to make.

Are you sure the numbers aren't skewed because of all the (white) spics?

It only does in Steel Soul mode, which you unlock after beating the game. The only thing you lose if you die twice in the normal game is money, although Fragile charms can break and you need to spend money to get them repaired, that's about it. Steel Soul will delete your save though.

Why would you hide it behind beating the game?
Why would I play the same game twice, especially since it's hand crafted without random anything?

It has multiple endings. You are expected to get the false babby ending in bitch mode first then get the real ending like a manly man in hado modo.

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What are your favorite self imposed rules? No fast travel is one I use for every game that has it. That doesnt make me
But its a rule I stick to. How about you?

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