Pulp/Radio Heroes Thread

We had a thread a few weeks back that went really well, and I’d love to keep talking about it.Some stuff I’ve been getting into:>Just a few chapters into The Living Shadow, the first Shadow Pulp story. Really enjoying it so far, I love how Shadow comes off like a force of nature.>Listening to the Shadow radio series, absolutely love it. Finished two really intense episodes in Poison Death and Silent Avenger. I really like how the Shadow still feels like an unrelenting character, but isn’t stupid OP. Gives an edge to a still scary figure. The way he stops the sniper in Silent Avenger was intense.>Listening to the Green Hornet radio series, loving it too. It’s an extremely unique take on the hero genre, and I love how the villains feel grounded and like actual crooks.>Watching the Green Hornet 1966 series, really enjoying it. Top tier casting. It’s a shame we got that Seth Rogen garbage instead of a decent revival.>Just started listening to some of the Lone Ranger radio serials and watched some episodes of the old series. Both are really enjoyable.>Read the first two issues of Denny O’Neil’s shadow run, so far I think it’s a perfect marriage between writer and material.>Listened to the first arc of the Superman radio show. One of the best versions of Krypton being destroyed, and a lot of fun in general.Recommendations, talk, and overall love for the classics are welcomed

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The Avenger is a underrated. Also, can we have a thread filled with badass pulp art?

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>>129090881 Sure thing fren.

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>Just a few chapters into The Living Shadow, the first Shadow Pulp story. Really enjoying it so far, I love how Shadow comes off like a force of nature. Oh yeah, the way he's described creeping around is really effective and eerie. Reminded me of the 1979 Salem's Lot.

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>>129090881I don’t see why not.Just watched a few more episodes of Lone Ranger. It’s a shame it doesn’t get recognition anymore, really good franchise.

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>>129091684The Orson Welles series gives that vibe too. Like he’s always moving around you, watching your every move, waiting for you to make a mistake.

>>129090565Anybody know a good archive for those old episodes of the Shadow radio show?

>>129090565First time I'm seeing such a thread but I'll admit I'm not a Holla Forums regular.There's a lot of great radio shows during this era and a lot of them are rather easy to find if you look hard enough.>>129091746Here's a few links youtube.com/watch?v=wMk-CA_Gi7o&list=PLSBpRMBOTLNeWkC6tctBwPTdZNW50zMp-&ab_channel=KentAllardhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mrRlFZSBrJQhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8BNwdSvmWnw&list=PLKrC8uoA6vST6oWhEEP79vuXajU5gF27c&ab_channel=TheRadioGhost

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This would make for a great grindcore album cover.

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Don't want to turn this thread political, but a few months ago the old urban legend about Walter Gibson seeing The Shadow irl ("The Phantom of Gay Street") got mentioned on Rachel Maddow after that house got raided by the feds over Roger Stone connections. Some idiot in the comments confused Orson Welles with George Orwell.

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>>129091869>the old urban legend about Walter Gibson seeing The Shadow irl ("The Phantom of Gay Street")got a longer version of this tale to share?

>>129091746otrrlibrary.org/OTRRLib/Library Files/S Series/Shadow, The/There’s episodes that were only recently discovered on there too, mostly the ones at the top I believe.

>>129091869>We almost got a Shadow movie directed by and starring Orson WellesIt’s not fair

>>129091787>There's a lot of great radio shows during this era and a lot of them are rather easy to find if you look hard enough.I think it’s more about knowing about them.One’s I’ve been listening to and enjoying right now are>The Shadow>Green Hornet>The Lone Ranger>SupermanI tried Vincent Price’s The Saint, but it honestly didn’t stick for me. Price is great, but the stories and the character are surprisingly tame.

>>129091692>It’s a shame it doesn’t get recognition anymore, really good franchise.You'll quickly discover that The Lone Ranger media peaks with Clayton Moore's show and his movies. Everything involving the IP that was made after his show is shit: Legend of The Lone Ranger, The WB pilot, and the Disney movie. I'm 100% OK with it being a "dead" franchise. The Dynamite comics have been decent (except for Mark Russell's series), but that's about it.

>>129091893 Walter Gibson was a big fan of the occult and wrote several books on it, in his later years he thought he saw a ghost in his apartment that resembled The Shadow (albeit sometimes with a top hat instead of a fedora) and wondered if he'd created a Shadow tulpa. The supposed ghost has been called "The Phantom of Gay Street" (Don't laugh, that's really the name of the street).

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Most of Robert E Howard's original stories are public domain and free to read online. Conan the Barbarian, Kull, Solomon Kane, Bran Mak Morn, El Borak, Dennis Dorgan, Breckenridge Elkins, many stand-alone adventure, horror, Western and comedy stories waiting for you.

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>>129092041I saw the new movie, and it seemed to completely misunderstand, or maybe just flat out ignore, what makes the radio and tv show good. There’s such an unrepentant optimism in them that’s contagious, watching a man of pure moral integrity in a time where lawlessness ruled everything and his constant battle with those forces. It’s a shame that cynicism seems to be the main theme of modern superhero films.

There are 181 Doc Savage and they are wildly uneven because of many ghost writers, But the stories from 1934 to 1937 by Lester Dent are great fun, Inventive, fast-paced and over the top.

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>>129092094 Here's another mention of the legend, from Weekly World News. This is from 1981, back when they reported on actual mysteries and legends and not the later made-up shit like Bat Boy.

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>>129090565I fell off of pulp stuff after Dynamite stopped doing it as often but I'm a huge fan of their older stuff like Doc Savage, Shadow Year One and Green Hornet Year One. And David Liss's Spider was great.I'm currently reading the 90s Tim Truman Spider through the single issues. What are Holla Forums's thoughts on them if any? I think it's a nice, more pulpy version of the material than Liss's 2010s version and I'm considering getting them custom bound in a few months. Not sure what the company'll think about the content tho

Norvell Page's stories of the Spider are so apocalyptic and violent that you get black and blue just reading them, Not just a Shadow imitation, the Spider is a mad genius who faces overwhelming menaces and every issue is a rollercoaster ride,

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Razorfist posted this thread.

>>129092094That's like Moore and Gaiman claiming they saw John Constantine walk into a pub.

>>129092154To see an adaptation of the Lone Ranger that's true to the character, you can't beat the 1956 film with Clayton Moore and Jay Silverheels, Just watch the first few minutes and see if you don't get pulled in,. (And turn up the sound for the theme song!) youtube.com/watch?v=uQMsL8ddVfE

And of course, most of HP Lovecraft's stories appeared in WEIRD TALES, Modern readers might find him wordy and slow-paced (and he is), but his concepts were so powerful they're being used today.

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Can a pulpchad hook us up with the .cbr of pic related?

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>>129092485>Gawdlmao, I thought that censorship was a new invention--though it makes sense that it's old.

What's really unsettling if you think about it is that, when he's shooting it out with a dozen gunmen, the Shadow is LAUGHING wildly.

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Listening to a few of the radio stories. Kind of disappointed that Shadow seems to have a small role in a lot of them, really wanted to learn more about the character. Are the pulp stories like this too?

>>129092638Not exactly,. That's how Lovecraft spelled it in his dialogue. He wrote dialects out phonetically that's sometimes hard to read.

>>129092667 A lot of the early ones are where he mostly stays in the background and the focus is on the agents (usually Harry), but things change as early as The Death Tower.

>>129092667There were over two hundred Shadow novels, and they go through phases. In most of the better ones, the story follows the Shadow closely. In some, he only shows up to conclude the mystery. In some of the late 1940s stories by Bruce Elliott, the Shadow is a regular detective who hardly bothers to put on the cloak and slouch hat. I guess you'd be best prepared by reading a few reviews or synopses before picking a Shadow story to start with.

If you want to creep yourself out, try listening to Old Time Radio shows in the dark. Your own imagination is the best special effect,.youtube.com/watch?v=TCzVznaTXKE&list=PLdoGrEj2tNSQ5PTGUuhOSX-0MtU121lpz&index=27"It...Is...Later..Than..You...Think..."

>>129092680Did it originate with him, then? I figured it was just a>Don't take the Lord's name in vaintype of thing.

>>129092827It wasn't censorship with Lovecraft. He wrote out people's accents phonetically. Most of the time, it's hard to read. A character from the Deep South would say, "Yuh sho nuff dun wanna do dat," for example. Lots of pulp writers did this. Censorship of "God" as well as "damn" and strong curse words had been in pulps since the early 1920s. Considering all the slaughter and torture that went on in the stories, it's pretty funny to see a character say, "By G-d!"

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>>129092099After reading a few Solomon Kane stories and Jack Kirbys The Demon, I kinda wish there was a crossover between the two.

>>129092667I’m not exactly sure which ones you’re listening to then, most of the stories I’ve listened to are very Shadow prominent, and at minimum Cranston preparing for his Shadow exploits.>>129092412Man you’re right, I lost track of time fast. I need to sit down and watch the whole thing, thanks user.

>>129092827Lovecraft was an open Atheist. The guy had 'I am Providence' written on his tombstone.

>>129093974This is true, but his manuscript would have been edited by Farnsworth Wright before publication.

>>129094316Half of the 'horror' of Lovecraft was his Christian characters realizing that 'God' was a undersea squid monster. You'd think if there was any Christians who were concerned they'd never have published his works.

>>129093021>He wrote out people's accents phonetically. Most of the time, it's hard to read. A character from the Deep South would say, "Yuh sho nuff dun wanna do dat," for example.I write like that too, for certain accents. Didn't realize Lovecraft did that--maybe I oughtta give his stuff a shot.

>>129094669 Well, it was never a problem for August Derleth once he began twisting everything to his liking.

>>129094669I'd rather say that Lovecraft wrote of an existential atheistic universe without "our" God. The powerful beings don't care about us or even notice us most of the time. That's was really horrifying to most Americans in the 1920s.Whatever Farnsworth Wright's religious views may have been, he was mostly concerned with picking stories that would sell copies of WEIRD TALES.

>>129094717Derleth unfortunately took much of the oppressive horror and hopelessness out of the Mythos. He wrote stories where humans can challenge the Great Old Ones and win.Like L Sprague de Camp with Robert E Howard, he was basically wrong to continue and expand Lovecraft.

>>129094700It was the usual approach up until the 1950s or so, when it fell out of favor. Reading John Buchan, I have no idea what his Scots characters are saying. They might as well be speaking Mayan as far as I can tell.If you read LIVE AND LET DIE, Ian Fleming spells out phonetically what his Black characters say, it's either amusing or infuriating, depending on how you take it.

>>129091964Imagine how soulful it would

>>129092386Iirc Morrison also claims to have met Superman right after pitching all star

>>129093891That was a good superhero/cowboy film. Both Moore and Silverheels brought dignity and conviction to it. Actors now seem embarrassed to play heroes.

>>129095019I really would have wanted Welles to have played Nero Wolfe! With Dick Potdmpvwell asksmhp Archie

>>129095068Sorry about that jumble of letters, the captcha wandered off.

>>129092680That was very very common at the time, if you look at contemporary newpaper comics dey a' gat dai'llog layk dis and it can be a bit hard to wrap your head around at times.Nowadays it's mostly just Popeye that talks in hyper-phonetics.

>>129095096Edgar Allan Poe really got into it, too.Phonetic dialect seems to have declined in the 1950s, not sure why.

>>129090565>The way he stops the sniper in Silent Avenger was intenseDON'T LET GODON'T LET GOFucking heartbreaking.His speech at the end was something I wasn't expecting out of a WW2 era radio either.

>>129095142Complaints from readers? Or just people realizing 'at less is more with this kinda thing.

I want to jump in and strongly recommend Fritz Leiber's stories about Fafhrd and the Gray Mouser from UNKNOWN. Clever, witty and energetic, with the two most likeable rogues in Swords and Sorcery fiction.

>>129095159I don't know. I've never read any literary criticism that mentioned the subject.Maybe a general postwar trend toward more subdued styles and less Purple Pride?

>>129095191>Purple Pridewhat's that? google just leads me to dumb LGBTQ bullshit.

Eric Frank Russell's SINISTER BARRIER. Give yourself a paranoiac episode.

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>>129095159From what I heard, doing dialect impressions was a very popular party trick at the time, so pretty much everyone were really familiar with phonetic dialects and how they "read". Once that went out of style and people got less used to reading texts that just kind of resembled proper English, pulps and comics started dropping it as well.

>>129095204So sorry, I meant Purple Prose. Damn spell checker giving me a hard time tonight

>>129095223Oh, that's interesting, thanks, Ive seen pamphlets from late 19th Century with skits you could read in a German or Irish dialect to entertain guests. And of course there were minstrel shows.

This guy has not been completely forgotten

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Martin Goodman's "torture porn" pulps show why his Golden Age comics were so lurid and gruesome, he knew what would sell

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Anyone familiar with this book? Apparently it was REH's favorite magazine, but I'm not too familiar with its content beyond the fact that it's largely held to be good.

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Dang. Mother's found their eleven year old boys reading this instead of doing their homework and maybe were displeased

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>>129095305Speaking of Goodman... ever wondered why Marvel is called Marvel? This is why.

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>>129095325I've never read an actual issue but I have enjoyed a lot of stories from it that were collected in anthologies. This was supposed to be one of the higher quality pulps.

>>129095355I read somewhere years ago that the comic book Human Torch was based on a story in a Goodman pulp.Also. Jack Kirby fans should check out the many illustrations he did for pulps. Black and white, done in pencil, recognizably Kirby but more realistic than his comics art.

Absolutely love cheesy old sci-fi pulps

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>>129095147I think that end speech really lended to there being a lot more to Lamont Cranston pre-Shadow than we would ever know. He seemed to be completely aware of war’s effect on people and the military complex as a whole, especially with the amount of sympathy he had for the sniper.Definitely one of the most intense episodes I’ve heard so far. The Shadow has had a few close calls, but the pure desperation he had in trying to find the sniper while he was picking off targets was so good.So far my favorites are The Deathhouse Rescue, The Three Ghosts, Sabotage (mainly for the villain), Society of the Living Dead, and Silent Avenger.

>>129095543Disappointingly, he was not a gunfighter and he had bought that badges in a pawn shop. After a stern lecture, he put them away.

"Help me, Augie Ben Doggie, you're my only hope."

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>>129095019Fun Fact: Orson Welles would never rehearse the live plays, and he would be reading it for the first time on the air. He said that it lent to his performance because he never knew how it would end.I think with Welles’ incredible knack for noir settings, his Shadow movie could’ve been an all timer. Naturally it would’ve probably been an adaptation of the radio show over the pulp, but I love both.


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married life in the suburbs was not what he had expected

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"We'll have this back yard cleared off by this afternoon, Jerry. You shouldn't let the grass go like that."

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>>129095724Wait. Is she putting ON a lizardman suit to blend in?

>>129090565Are The Shadow comics better than the show?

>>129095724>hopefully they don't notice my lizard-boobs!

So, are you folks new to Florida?

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The great Wally Wood, natch.

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>>129095772Do you mean the pulps? From what I’ve gotten so far from going through both, they’re both great and hit two different yet sometimes similar angles.

>>129095762 Apparently the cover is unrelated to the contents inside. A damn shame.

Always make time for HornyPosting/

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>>129095858Drat, faked out again. It's like a Marvel comic with a Jack Kirby cover and inside art by Paul Reinman,.

This one ia pretty funny.

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>>129091656>>129091692Thanks for the cool art!>>129092412Thanks for the movie, user. I'm gonna save this for a weekend double feature.>>129095355I love this cover! The Beautiful girl, Mad Science, and Powerful logo catches your attention from a mile away. Say what you want about Goodman, but he knew how to sell a book.For anyone interested Here's the first Green Hornet Serial youtu.be/le8LTjAOWIE

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...wait, what?

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Visit beautiful Barsoom this summer.

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So for everyone here, what is your favorite Green Hornet costume? He’s had a surprising amount of variations, so which one do you like the best?I feel like I always end up with the 1966 version in mind, even when listening to the radio shows. Something about it is so simple, yet elegant.The full mask is second.

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They keep trying to bring back 3D

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>>129096302The radio version made sense because it was a thin piece of cloth that Reid could fold up into a hidden pocket of his suit. The TV version is imprinted on me, though, because I saw that show at an impressionable age. The serials featured a full-face plastic shield which really would conceal his identity. (And it made dubbing in his voice for re-shoots really easy.)

>>129095852>Do you mean the pulps?No, I meant the newer comics. Not really into pulp stuff. >hit two different yet sometimes similar angles.I can't understand this nebulous zoomer-speak. Explain it to me like I'm over 30yo, please. Do the comics follow the same formula the show did? ie: > Lamont and Margo encounter some mystery> they investigate with some very obvious suspects> Lamont hides in the corner until suspect does/says something incriminating>Lamont makes his presence known by cackling laugh>villain gives up with or without a struggle>"This episode brought to you by Blue Coal!">repeat for several hundred episodes

>>129095574>So far my favorites are The Deathhouse Rescue, The Three Ghosts, Sabotage (mainly for the villain), Society of the Living Dead, and Silent Avenger. It's a good list. Only episode I can reccomend outside of those is Death on a Bridge, especially if you like Shrevie. And maybe Temple Bells of Neban.>>129095772The Pulps, Comics and Radio Show are all good quality entertainment, biggest difference betwen the Pulps and the Radio is Shadow's M.O.In the Pulps, he runs a sizeable network of agents throughout New York and routinely gets into gunfights. In the Pulps, he eschews gunplay in favor of a hypnosis based invisibility and some mind games, with the occasional round of fisticuffs. and only has Margot and in some episodes, Shrevie.

>>129096386>In the Pulps>In the PulpsI'm assuming you meant radio show for one of those.

>>129096386They might as well be two different characters, I think, The pulp Shadow operates like a spymaster running his ring of agents, using disguises, gathering information. Then the twin 45s come out. The radio Shadow is much milder, less ominous. His literal invisibilty (and sometime telepathy) give him a huge advantage over most crooks.

>>129096372Not exactly, the comics tend to blend the Pulps and the Radio Show. So you'd have a Shadow that's entirely willing to get into gunfights with the bad guys (like the pulps), but will also resort to trickery and hypnosis based invisibility to get the job done. (Like the radio show)He'll also draw on supporting casts from both sources.

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>>129096433>He'll also draw on supporting casts from both sources.That's interesting. It something that the show often lacked and could've benefited from in my opinion.

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>>129098335James Bama's original painting for the first Bantam paperback reprint of Doc Savage. The art director wanted the the covers to be clearly recognizable so he directed the monochrome style, the wavy logo and the metallic hair with the pointed widow's peak that became a trademark.

This is a fun website for fans of Doc Savage, the pulps or adventure/horror/sci-fi in general. Keith"Kez" Wilson has worked up a gallery of "what if" Doc covers,

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>>129096302>So for everyone here, what is your favorite Green Hornet costume?NOW's golden age costume. I know it's just a reworking of the serial costume, but I'm so glad they kept the full mask and ditched the black fuzzy bathrobe he wore in those.

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I (like many fans) thought the insistence on the iconic torn shirt got to be ridiculous. But it seems to have worked in giving Doc a distinctive image that sold books.

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>>129092342Got a sauce for them? Amazon is selling two kindle stories for seven bucks apiece and the reprints go for twenty bucks minimum.

>>129098533No, sorry. Over the years, I picked up various reprints as I found them. Different publishers reprinted the Spider in different formats, and I did find a few of the original pulps in poor but readable condition.

One of the greatest villains in thriller history. I think a successful movie could be made today if the hero was a modern young Chinese-American (such as Marvel's Jimmy Woo). But the market in China itself would probably not care for it. One angle might be to play up that Fu Manchu WAS trying to drive the British out of China and he could be seen as a sort of freedom fighter with horrendous methods.

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>>129098427AND like the forgetful old fool I might be, I forget to include the link:docfantasycovers.com/

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Reminder you can read Zorro's first book, "the curse of capistrano", and watch the 1920 movie adaptation online for free.

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>>129099815Worth pointing out! Also most of Robert E Howard, Clark Ashton Smith, Edgar Rice Burroughs, Talbot Mundy and others are available in Project Gutenberg. Free is the best price.

Stranger Than Truth!

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>>129096372It’s no one else’s fault that you don’t understand basic English and have shit taste.Also>Over 30>Use the phrase “zoomer”

>>129096372>villain gives up with or without a struggleYou definitely haven’t listened to many, if any, of them, why lie?

>>129098480In terms of the Green Hornet’s MO, the full mask makes the most sense. It hides his identity completely and also blocks his knockout gas the most logically.But for some reason, the 1966 mask is my preferred. It’s so weirdly simple but iconic in its own way.

>>129100032What do you think a zoomer is?

>>129100090Lamont hiding and laughing is literally most of them in a nutshell, bro. Don't pretend otherwise.

>>129091869>Some idiot in the comments confused Orson Welles with George Orwell.Easy to do since their sinister shadows look so similar in profile.

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>>129090565A good resource for a lot of pulps, or the covers if you're more into that.luminist.org/archives/SF/

>>129095405I found a few Jack and Joe pieces through a Google search. Does anyone have a collection or good resource?

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>>129101943 There was a good one in that Les Daniels Marvel book, let me see if I can find it.

>>129102484 Ah, here it is. Overlook that silly blurb, and it's pretty cool art. You can envision this robot rampaging through New York on a Tales to Astonish cover.

>>129102535 Fuck, forgot the pic.

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>>129100879First off, that’s not what was responded. The villains end in a shit ton of different ways, so you’re lying about them struggling then giving up every time.Second, that’s Shadow’s MO in any media, so that’s a really stupid argument.>>129100862It’s the fact that a grown man’s using the phrase, but bitching about talking like one.

>>129093427>trust no one not even 15th century Italian Renaissance inventors/painters

>>129101856>>129101856My English Lit professor said, "George Orwell was an optimist." He was prophetic.

>>129102733Now we know why Mona Lisa had the smug smile. She was packing heat.

Very neat illustration from Syd Shores... the same guy who did some inking for Marvel in the 1960s.

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A dirty mind will help get you through this life.

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>>129091869What I dislike from this (but I expect it so no sense getting too butthurt) is how much they credit Walter Gibson as the father of The Shadow. Don't get me wrong, he was a HUGE part of crafting the character though The Shadow had appeared years before the pulps on a radio program as the announcer/narrator.Plus to be fair Maddow did repeatedly say he was the creator of Lamont Cranston, which is true. My dislike is more, I suppose, from the fact that history behind the creation of The Shadow is so complicated there's really no way you can quickly set it out, and most people would find the details inconsequential. Feels bad, man.

>>129103807This one is the best >>129092266 since they not only credit Gibson for creating The Shadow but also the radio program. If Gibson didn't outright hate the radio series, he at least was firm that it did NOT have who he considered the real Shadow, plus he as pretty irked about having to put Margo in the pulps.

>>129092342>tfw you're fighting crime with two fisted action holding hot steel that's spewing hotter lead in their ugly mugs when your own windblown wanted poster smacks you in the face and gets stuck in your teethDon't you just hate days like that?

>>129103846Something feels a bit garbled because it's hard to imagine Walter Gibson calling Lamont Cranston the alter ego of The Shadow, since early in the pulps it was shown that they were not the same man. However I can imagine those being real quotes insofar as The Shadow, or Kent Allard, most often used Lamont Cranston as his go-to disguise.

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>>129103871Absolutely. It makes me want to slam down two fingers of Vat 69 and chase down some skirt who's no better than she has to be and do some midnight wrestling, ya know?


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>>12910399To be honest, I always had doubts about Kent Allard being the Shadow's real name, too. In "The Shadow Unmasks" our dark hero reveals everything to Dr Roy Tam.. quite unnecessarily. I saw the Shadow as a near paranoid crime fighter who knew secrecy was his best way to stay alive. The whole bit about Kent Allard and the lost Xinca tribe never rang true to me. Like Lamont Cranston and B. Jonas and a dozen other personas, I think Kent Allard was only another mask. But as to who the dark avenger really was... that, only the Shadow knows.

>>129104141Meanwhile in the home at 12 Gay Street...

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>>129104153I know what you mean, though I think the exposition dump was more for the reader's benefit. Also was it Roy Tam? I thought he was with Slade Farrow at the time. Anyway it's probably who he was, right down to his operating occasionally with Xincan agents who themselves were damned mysterious and capable gentleman. The Shadow learned at least some of his skills from them, it appears, though he still has the whole world traveller angle.

>>129103999I just imagine the Radio serial as Pulp Lamont "stealing" the Shadow's Identity and Shadow's putting up with it because turnabout's fair play.

Art by Joe Simon and Jack Kirby for a Goodman mag. If you've never seen an actual pulp, they had many pieces of interior art, always black and white. Stories had a splash page, often a double spread, Particularly dramatic moments were depicted here and there, In a series, regular characters often had a face shot with maybe a little blurb explaining who they were, As convenient as paperback reprints were, without the interior art they were missing a big part of the pulp experience.

>>129104153>>129104236Probably best to say that it doesn't really matter who The Shadow was in his early life, his true identity now is The Shadow. Even if he was Kent Allard, Kent Allard is nothing more now than another persona he drapes about himself as needed.This is something Batman definitely inherited, the flip side of Superman really being Clark Kent, a nice, down to earth guy who really loves people and his adopted world, and Superman is just his way of expressing his desire to help everyone.

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>>129098533I got you user. amazon.com/Spider-1-Strikes/dp/1618273590/ref=mp_s_a_1_1?crid=1MZ8H1JYEBVYF&keywords=the Spider #1&qid=1646166649&sprefix=the spider ,aps,1590&sr=8-1https://www.radioarchives.com/default.asp

>>129104236I could certainly be wrong about it being Dr Tam, it's been many years since I've read that book. Another intriguing detail is the occasional hint in some early stories that the Shadow was disfigured in WW I. One villain sees him without the Cranston disguise and taunts, "The man of a thousand faces, with non face of his own!" Gibson said in one interview that this idea was dropped as being too gruesome.


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>>129104282Yeah, once he begins his crusade, the Shadow IS his true identity. Denny O'Neil added a nice touch in the 1970s DC comic, that the Shadow studied with a ninjutusu master. This explains how he is so stealthy and sneaky.

Where’s the best place to get pulp reprints for Shadow?

Previous Add to memories Share Track Flag NextWhy does he post these pictures when I'm eating dinner?Ack, ick and ewww. This is a typical grisly illustration by Lee Brown Coye. He was a master at drawing decay and corruption and rotting skeletons, all of which the pulps needed drawn on a regular basis. This particular charm is from the May 1948 issue of WEIRD TALES, where Ray Bradbury's "The Black Ferris" first appeared.

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>>129104379There were a bunch of torrents floating around back in the day. I couldn't promise you any still has seeds.

>>129104331There was a Doc Savage story by Will Murray a few years back that kept the idea of Shadow having a disfigured face in the early stories but got it surgically fixed up by Doc in Murray's story.


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>>129092342I do love how the Spider isn’t even above torture when it comes down to it. He can and will kill, main & brand every crook who tries to take him on, at the end of the day he’s still a stone cold bastard

>>129104165Better a friendly visit from Lamont than a sudden speakeasy raid from Bones Malone and the Spooky Boys.

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>>129104552Oh, Richard Wentworth is cold. He shoots more than one unarmed crook dead where they stand. I love the way Norvell Page builds the stories up through situations that are more and more hopeless and the final solution is so audacious you almost have to applaud.

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>>129104524Thank you! I did read the first three or four of Will Murray's new Doc Savage books. He's a fine writer who knows the characters down to what they like for breakfast. But those books are just too long for me. I grew up on snappy little 100-pagers that zipped right along. By the time I'm reaching the end of the new books, I am beginning to lose interest in what happens.

>>129104673"Youse better behave, we got NOTHIN' to lose!"

>>129104787>"Youse better behave, we got NOTHIN' to lose!"Not>"We got a bone to pick with you mugs, nyah-ha-ha-ha-haaa!"

>>129104787You say that now, but it can always get worse.

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>>129104315Legend. Thanks m8.

>>129105078Heh. I was just RIBbing you.


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>>129090881I found it weird that his pulp didn't do as well (only because it was launched so late, in 1939 when pulps were about to get overshadowed by superhero comics) so he got 24 stories and a few short stories, but when he got revived for the paperback reprints in the 70s, not only did the original 24 get reprinted, he also got 12 all-new stories by Ron Goulart.Meanwhile for some reason The Shadow and The Spider's paperback reprints didn't last as long during that period when pulps were getting reprinted into paperbacks novels.

>>129107041I lament more that we never had a new golden age of "radio" in the form of audio dramas spreading with the growing internet. People had access to recording equipment, even easily obtainable sound effects, but outside some noteworthy projects it hasn't really caught on. Instead we got youtube poop.

>>129107147Honestly that is pretty weird, but I think it's because the audio dramas fell out of style so long ago so people have to relearn it again in the age of podcastsI know WB was doing a Batman audio adventures thing and I remembered around two years ago there was a Vault of Horror audio drama

>>129107289Big Finish made a good go, if you're into British stuff. I used to listen to their Doctor Who audios since it was nice having some further adventures of the classic Docs without having to see them as old(er) men. And of course there'sdecoderringtheatre.com/shows/red-panda-adventures/

>>129107147There's quite a few out there, actually. I liked Moonlight Audio Theater quite well. Check this one out:moonlightaudio.libsyn.com/the-haunter-of-the-dark

>>129107041The Avenger's pulp didn't do that well. Someone at Street & Smith thought it was because Benson had white hair and an emotionless face. So they rejuvenated him to turn his hair black again. and the texts kept emphasizing how young he was. At the same time, a new character Cole Wilson was introduced but he was basically just a toned down Richard Benson so he had didn't add much. My guess is that they first intended to keep Benson as the cold deadpan spook and use Cole for younger appeal. That didn't work. I hated the twelve new books Ron Goulart wrote. Thin, lifeless, no energy. The Justice Inc crew lost their personalities, Cole Wilson dominated the stories as a smug wise guy. It still surprises me that the new books lasted as long as they did,

>>129092386Makes sense, Constantine was probably called in after Hartman failed

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>>129107486>It still surprises me that the new books lasted as long as they did,That's the thing, it's weird as hell.Doc Savage was probably the most successful of the pulp paperback reprints as all his stories got collected into paperback form, but he only got nine new stories before the paperback stuff ended in the 90s (and didn't get any new text stories till 2011).The Shadow had nine new stories in the 60s, but for a long time only some of his stories were reprinted. Before Sanctum Books started their reprints in 2006, the most the Shadow got was 23 stories reprinted, under Pyramid Books in 1974.And The Spider also had inconsistent reprints for a while:en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spider_(pulp_fiction)#Novel_reprintsHow many other pulp characters got the paperback reprint in the 60s and 70s because they noticed Doc Savage was doing well in that format at the time and how many got all their stuff reprinted and/or got new stories? I don't know if Conan counts or not but all the original Howard stories got reprinted and he got new stuff.

Also I gotta say the Spider paperback covers of 1969/1970 Berkley reprints just don't seem distinctive enough to stand out, the art is nice, but the really don't stand out.

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>>129108046Also what the hell was up with this:>In the mid-1970s Pocket Books reprinted four Spider novels (originally published as pulps #16, 21, 26 and 100), featuring "modernized" pulp cover artwork by Robert A. Maguire. In this series, The Spider (renamed simply "Spider") was portrayed as a non-costumed, heavily armed muscular blond-haired hero (similar to James Bond). These paperbacks also failed to sell, and the series was canceled. These four novels were re-edited and heavily modernized so the stories didn't faithfully reprint the original pulp tales, one of several reasons why they may have never caught on with their intended audience. In the reprint of Death and the Spider for example (originally published as pulp #100 in 1942), Nita Van Sloan is shown driving a Jaguar E-type X-KE, a sports car not created until 1961, some 19 years later.

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>>129098655Fu Manchu was based as fuck honestly; he was one of those peculiar racist stereotypes that was just so exaggeratedly hyperbolic that he looped back around into sort of a very flattering caricature. He was after all designed to instill a sense of white anxiety in his Anglo-Saxon foils (and readers) by way of just being the coolest damn character in those stories.I do think a more modern, nuanced characterization giving him more pathos and a rounded-out motive would be interesting too, though I think I'd still want to see him remain as some impossibly old mad scientist with very lofty, principled aspirations but the addled mind of a lunatic Bond Villain with a bit of a God Complex. He should be somebody who could persuade an audience that he rightfully deserves to rule the world in under five minutes, but could also command a sense of stark, desperate peril even if even remotely provoked by dissenters.It'd be very interesting to see a more pronounced characterized fashioning him into something of a fallen hero turned super-villain, while perhaps his slave girl Karamaneh ultimately ends up the true protagonist (since that was basically always true anyways), if not possibly allowing Fah Lo Suee to have something of a character arc herself in defying the scientific cruelty of her father's bombastic machinations.

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>>129108745Thanks King

>>129108131>>129108131Also, when the stories first began around 1912, the Manchu Dynasty had just been overthrown,. Chinese hatred of foreign domination was running hot. To many in the UK, a threat to the British Empire was intolerable and Fu Manchu collected all the fear and uncertainty they felt into a single dramatic figure. There was a good reason for all the Yellow Peril fears of the early 20th Century. Europe was keeping much of the world under its thumb by force and the inevitable rebellion was seen as imminent, (I mean, I'm on the side of the oppressed trying to overthrow their oppressors, I'm just seeing the European point of view,)Of course, the late 1930s did see an Asian nation militarize and begin its own war of conquest, But it turned out, it wasn't China...

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>>129109300it would take a really brave studio to try to do Fu Manchu these days and obviously Disney is not that studio, One reason why the father in SHANG-CHI was so bland and forgettable was to not upset the Chinese market. I would have liked to see Shang's father as some ancient white-bearded sorcerer with long fingernails and pointed ears, maybe explained as being an alchemist hundreds of years old, hoping to establish himself as a new Emperor. But then, I'm not the ones risking a possible million-dollar franchise being launched.

I knew Edd Cartier mostly for the drawings he did for Unknown and Astounding.But he also worked for Crime and Adventure pulps.He was brilliant but found he couldn't support a family on what they paid back then and he left the field.

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>>129109507Since others have 'expanded' this thread to cover some SF, here's Cartier's work in that genre.

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>>129109523Illustrating something by L Ron Hubbard, serial liar, braggart, and founder of a very profitable cult.

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>>129109589This was the header for Astounding's monthly book review column.

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>>129109634One last Cartier cover

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>>129109653Thanks! Always liked him. Virgil Finlay, Hannes Bok, Lee Brown Coye, Margaret Brundage.. the pulps sure boasted some fine talent.

Well, now i've reminded myself of Hannes Bok.

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>>129109970What's up, Bok?

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This is one of my favorite covers!Are there any other pulp covers that have a positive wholesome view of the future?

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What is the reading order of the books of the shadow? I want to read the phantom as well. Audiobooks and dramas welcome as I started getting into those.

>>129110962 I'd swear he used Bruce Campbell as the model for this one. Oddly enough, I have the other Baen REH volumes for Kull, Bran Mak Morn and Cormac, but not this one.

>>129098360I gotta say, I really dislike the Bama Doc Savage becoming the iconic look. Look at that guy, is he the one described as making women swoon just by entering a room?Also he looks way too old, and his hair just looks weird as fuck. I hate it.

>>129111643Start with The Living Shadow, Eyes of the Shadow, and The Shadow Laughs, those are the first three books. Then you have two choices, get the list of best Shadow stories and read them in any order, or go through them in chronological order, if you have lots of time.en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_The_Shadow_storiesI'm going through them in order and I'm on #38, Master of Death. Reading in publication order is great cause there is a palpable progression of the character, from how he goes from shooting hands to kill shots because people died in shootouts, to his agents becoming more skilled, to how he even steals a few tricks from defeated enemies.

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>>129090565Thread question for those that read the Shadow pulps. Is it me, or is Harry Vincent almost paradoxically very skilled and very incompetent at the same time?Whenever is off page he can do a lot of work, but the moment he enters a scene you can count the pages before he needs rescuing. Burke is slightly less bad because he doesn't see much action and Marsland at least manages to help kill some mobsmen once in a while, but Harry is up there with April O'Neill, Daphne Blake and Lois Lane in his ability to need rescue any time he does anything.Also Harry is investigating a group whoever he decides is clearly honest is a criminal, and whoever he decides is definetly shady and suspect is innocent and possibly a cop. You can deduce correctly a books villain by just doing that. Monk and Ham in Doc Savage have the same problem but at least they can take turns being wrong, sometimes even the other aides get the job so it's slightly less grating.It only gets better because after 10 or 15 books the stories start being more about the Shadow himself than Harry or Cliff doing most of the legwork. But Harry still shows up once in a while to get noticed by a gang and kidnapped.

>>129112247Where are you reading them? I’m having a hard time finding them outside a few.

>>129111448I thought the 60's has a wholesome and positive view of the future, especially as the US picked up steam in the space race.

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>>129095440This look like something from a Goosebump book cover.

>>129111448That's Dick Seaton, about to test the Zone of Force while Dorothy Vaneman and Martin Crane look on.They shortly encounter the Fenachrone, monsters more ruthless than Ming, Vader, and Thanos combined. Yes, our heroes win in the end and Evil is vanquished -- but things sure look dark for awhile.One curiosity in the series; Crane's loyal Japanese manservant/cook. At a time when Japanese were all yellow-skinned buck-toothed fiends.

Can anyone recommend some good science fiction pulp magazines?

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>>129112156The Bama version works as a visual when reading the early 1930s superhuman Doc. When reading the late 1940s Doc, who is less over the top, I tend to picture the Baumhofer version from the pulp covers.

>>129112330Jim Steranko art, of course, from a paperback cover.

>>129114545Steve Holland posed for so many paperback and men's magazine covers. He played Flash Gordon in a really poor 1950s TV series

Kelly FreasAfter Cartier left the field, Freas became the pre-eminent SF artist, mostly for Astounding and Analog, but I think this cover was from Planet Stories.

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>>129111643If you mean the 1970s Avon paperbacks of the Phantom, they're not in any order. I would start with the ones written by Lee Falk himself.

>>129116524Freas also did Alfred E Neuman covers for "Mad" and even a little inside art.

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>>129116581Freas did all the covers for Laser Books, an SF line by the same people who published Harlequin Romances.On the first book, he put a close-up head in the lower-right corner. The company then insisted he put a head in that position on ALL their titles. Freas later wrote that he grew f***ing tired of that dictum.

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A famous cover from Amazing Stories

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When I say "Famous", I really meant it.The original appeared in 1932.It was parodied 83 years later. :)

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>>129115919Project Gutenberg has reprinted a lot of pulp stories. Downloadable for free. Just search for "SF"Another good source is pulpmags.org/magazines.html

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>>129116776 Now that' cool! The people who worked on a lot of those Nickelodeon comics really knew their stuff. I know Evan Dorkin did work for their magazine, and some Mermaid Man & Barnacle Boy-themed special had a feature on weird superheroes like Stardust and The Face that was thousand times funnier than crap like League of Regrettable Super Heroes.

>>129114364 Nice! I have the Skulls in the Stars edition. Damn, that's a nice Zunna.

>>129115904Of course, Japanese caricatures of Europeans and Americans were similar. Big hairy brutes with noses like bananas. During WW II, Japanese newspapers and magazines depicted American soldiers with tails and hooved feet.

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>>129118516A surreal image. The scrawny, ragged American fliers are being impaled on blades springing from rice.

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>>129116928Several of us will now be up all night, gleefully digging through those stories!


The Jules de Grandin stories by Seabury Quinn weren't GOOD by even my lenient standards, but they were habit forming, like spicy potato chips. There were more than ninety of these yarns in WEIRD TALES from 1929 to 1951, De Grandin was an occult detective who spoke in an outrageous French accent and who was mooching off a Dr Trowbridge while he tackled a parade of vampires, ghosts, talking gorillas, Satanic cults, pagan gods, ghouls, cannibals, telemarketers and worse.Most stories had a gruesome little twist in them somewhere and Quinn threw in a lot of obscure folklore. I don't know if I would recommend them to someone who reads serious mainstream fiction but pulp fans seem to like them.

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>>129118582I am officially a lost soul now. I will set an alarm on my phone to remind me to eat supper or I won't be coming up from the screen.

>>129112643libgen. It's the best for finding old books.

>>129118539>>129118516Yeah, I've seem Japanese wartime cartoons. The American flyers callously bombing civilians all look like Mickey Mouse.That's why the depiction in "Skylark" is so unusual. It's not racist.On the other hand, Seaton's party is double-crossed by an alien race, the Mardondalians, and then has no compunctions about wiping them out root and branch. He can't bring himself to genocide the Fenachrone even though it's "us or them" and has to look away while Dunark pushes the button. But by the 4th book, he's decided "the only good Chlordan is a dead Chlordan" and exterminates an entire galaxy's worth.Don't want to waste a post. 1030's spacesuits are fur and asbestos. (Fur makes no sense. It insulates because of the stagnant air trapped between the hairs. Useless in vacuum.)

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>>129119611And here's the Skylark's power plant; a copper cylinder coated with a thin layer of Element X.It gives the ship "an acceleration nearly equal to the velocity of light!" Whatever that means.After of few hours of uncontrolled flight, they are thousands of lightyears away from Earth.Stupendous acceleration, which the passengers survive because of "special seats and flooring".

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>>129119797Japanese fan-made version of Skylark. It's actually pretty faithful to the original but it's a bit off-topic (for which I apologize) and I won't post any more. Anyone who cares can track it down by the Pixiv file-number. A lot of the Lensman series is there as well.

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Amazing Stories and Elon Musk's "Starship"

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>>129119611I was not thinking about animated cartoons but the one-panel cartoons in magazines and newspapers. Some of them are so audacious, showing the smiling Japanese soldiers being welcomed by children in China and the Philippines. I like the way every Asian nationality is shown as darker-skinned than the Japanese, too. I have not read anything by EE 'Doc' Smith in far too long a time. What I remember best about the Lensmen series is the breathless sense of awe as the stakes keep getting raised and that, once a menace is defeated, something much worse is revealed to have been behind it. One critic said Smith treated the laws of physics as mere suggestions, and I'm fine with that.

>>129120025Dr SeussNumber 1 shows ALL Japanese-Americans as spies and saboteursThat changed. Number 2 is an appeal against racial prejudice. (GIs died of blood-loss because they wouldn't accept a "colored" transfusion.)Rhetoric in numbers 3 and 4 made a comeback in 2016 - 2020.

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Back to basics!Pulp SF -- with a little cheesecake

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What a great threadDoes Holla Forums have recs for any of the pulp comics that Marvel or DC did later? Denny O'neil's Shadow being the most obvious.

>>129120025That's funny. Just a day or two ago there was a quote (Jules Feiffer? Ron Goulart?) that superhero comics "treated the laws of physics as mere suggestions".Smith and John W Campbell were in sort of an "armaments race". Smith focused the energy of an entire Sun on the villains. So Campbell had the power-gauges on HIS Ultimate weapon (this week's version) calibrated in "Sols". 1, 2, 3, ... 10 etc.

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>>129120668LibgenThese are from the '40s, written by Walter GibsonI assume >>129090565 is in there too, but I don't have time to search.

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>>129120847wtf what site is this? None of the ones I use has Golden Age Shadow stuff

Either way this works out this dude is in for a rough night.

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>>129104282>This is something Batman definitely inheritedEh, I kinda hate this take on Batman; that Bruce Wayne is a non-factor, and "Batman is the true identity"The Telltale Games showed that the dichotomy between the two conflicting, yet equally genuine personas can be very intriguing.

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Hubert Rogers drew great spaceships.You can just feel this one, ready to blast out of its launch-tube on a trail of atomic flame.

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>>129120955Is she swinging IN through the window, stark nekkid? The life of a secret agent is stressful but it does have its perks.

>>129120776That was me, repeating a favorite quote. I relish Smith's style,, where everything is extreme. There are lots of italics, ellipses, words in capitals followed by exclamation points and phrases stuck in the middle of a sentence to reinforce just how extreme things are ("He knew that there was not - nay COULD not - ever be any escape for such a being!")With another writer, this overheated style might seem silly or amateurish (like some Harlequin romance), but it really works for Smith. It's completely consistent for the universe he describes, a future time when nothing is moderate. Everything that happens in this book is described as inconceivable, unimaginable, immeasurable, undescribable, appalling, or intolerable. After a bit, this all seems natural. Smith is writing about a reality where everything has been cranked up to its limits.

>>129120424Yep, the current prejudices show up in cartoons, During and after WW I, there was a lot of hatred of the "Hun." "Once a German, always a German." And the Irish and Italians endured their eras of prejudice, of course. What's droll is how quickly hatreds can switch around. In WW II, we were shown vicious subhuman Japanese marauders and noble brave Chinese freedom fighters. In only a few years, we were shown modern likeable Japanese and mindless Commie drone Chinese. It might switch again. We could be told to hate the Swedes if political events swung that way.

>>129120668I was very fond of DC's THE SHADOW STRIKES. True to the pulps, with cameos by various Golden Age pulp and comics characters.

>>129121588I'd hardly say a non-factor, but it is understandable that people consider Batman to be the primary persona, because he's the primary drive. Batman doesn't NEED Bruce to humanize him in the same way that Superman needs Clark, and you don't get the same inspiration that he really is just Clark Kent who sometimes puts on a cape and tights because at the end of the day he wants to be a part of this world. Supes is just a nice guy who helps out with his special abilities. Batman is a non-stop vengeance of the night machine. They come at it from different problems and their secret identities just WORK differently according to their themes. The thing is I'm with you here. I adore the early seasons of Batman TAS because his Bruce felt authentic. He was closer to how I described Superman, a citizen of Gotham who just wanted to help out. It really did change overtime, and not for the better, at least in my view.It's one of those "is what it is" things, I guess. Something that people will always push.

>>129121588Agreed. Batman has been written into such a restrictive characterization that he's being suffocated by it. I would like to see him a bit better balanced, where Bruce Wayne could take a weekend off to go on a cruise for its own sake, or spend some time visiting an old friend with genuine enjoyment. Make him a little more rounded and healthy instead of this one dimensional machine.

>>129121967It's just one of those things that happens everyday in New York City. Why else do you think people want to live there?

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>>129122315Different people like different approaches. i personally don't care for "Batman is the real person" idea, To me, Bruce Wayne still exists still has human feelings and emotions. Wayne created Batman as a tool, Batman did not take over. That's not the current characterization but it might come back at some point.Now, the Shadow IS the Shadow to the core. I think there is something massively wrong with the Shadow but he doesn't know it. Maybe his experiences in WW I really damaged him.

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>>129122350Gil Elvgren! Always a favorite. Erotic without being sleazy, amusing and fun. Can't go wrong with his pin-ups.

>>129122456It's just the way people's pants fall randomly. Probably a speedster doing Our Zod who art in the Phantom Zone's good works.

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>>129122378Oh NO! It's Stardust!

Well, it worked against the Trojans...

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>>129122514Panties falling down are one of the great joys in life, I think we should appreciate it when it happens,

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>>129122551 GI Robot, the early years.

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>>129103557It's a curious theme.

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>>129122685You saw it a few times on pulp covers. Also, covers where a gunman was sitting up from under a sheet in the morgue.

If you've ever read Arthur Clarke's "Against the Fall of Night" (later revised as "The City and the Stars") you may recall a scene _vaguely_ resembling this.But the cover artist really had to reach.

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>>129120565Half these covers showed women who weren't even IN the stories. ...From a disappointed kid.

>>129122142Just weeks before Smith died, another writer received permission to set stories in his universe.Ellern later expanded this into a novel; a side incident set on Luna during the Battle of the Hill.Very rare. I met Sam Moskowitz during the pre-internet era and he assured me the book didn't exist.It does and I finally found a copy.It was obviously a labor-of-love on Ellern's part. It reads smoothly and rationalizes some of the stuff "Doc" really hadn't thought through fully.But, yeah, other writers of space opera usually can't pull off the gosh-wow over-the-top language and pacing.Harry Harrison came close though in en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Smashers_of_the_Galaxy_RangersAnd Randall Garrett wrote "Backstage Lensman". Doc read the first version in 1949 and suggested Ginnison's ship be named "Dentless"

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>>129123040Understandable.The usual role of women was to be endangered, rescued, and "clutch the stanchions" during interplanetary dogfights.Oh, and wear metallic bras and little else in vacuum.The artists (even the occasional woman artist) never seemed to consider how uncomfortable those bras must have been.

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>>129123040This is what separates the disappointed kids from the REAL MEN.

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>>129123238Those wacky Nazis.

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Dammit, Jim, this little scanner tells me this guy is dead.

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>>129122424Not that user, but isn't the Shadow supposed to be a binary objectivist hero who wears villain's clothing? If he's aware of the evil that lurks within the hearts of men, I think it's pretty obvious that he's aware of who he really is. He's ironically a lot more sane than Bruce is.

>>129123596There were times when the law thought he was a criminal, and while he was certainly capable of sneaking around in the underworld as a criminal he never used his Shadow "garb" as a criminal or even a fake criminal, least not that I'm aware of. It was just part of his method of terrifying criminals, like with sinister laugh.

>>129123596I'm not sure where you got that interpretation from. The line about "what evil lurks in the hearts of men" was just a catchphrase used on the radio series, not a super-power. And I've never seen any connection made between Objectivism (which began in 1943 with THE FOUNTAINHEAD) and the Shadow (whose pulp started in 1943). We're given hints that the Shadow was a spy known as the Dark Eagle during WW I. Given the way he lives, impersonating another man who was given no choice in the matter, and operating a ring of agents to wage war on the underworld with no private life of his own, I'd say there's good reason to question the Shadow's mental health. The Shadow's laughter when shooting it out with gunmen is described as a psychological technique. But a few fans have wondered if it's a sign of "shell-shock" (later called PTSD). There's no evidence that the Shadow is aware of his problems or would want to do anything about them if he were.

>>129124457Oh heck, the Shadow's pulp started in 1931, not 1943. That was just carelessness on my part.

>>129123362John Connor was determined to lead the resistance to victory, that's for sure.

>>129124523The hero we need, but do not deserve.

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>>129104673>Rattle 'em boys!

>>129124695This is DJ Jpeg with a news flash for all you chrome plated kittens out there: all humans must die, and we're comin' to get you, meatbags! Now here's Cleatus-9000 with SPORTS.

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OM! MANI PADME OM! The Green Lama strikes for justice. The pulp's greatest ordained Buddhist priest crime-fighter, Well, probably the pulps' ONLY ordained Buddhist priest crime-fighter

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>>129124791I am here! What seems to be the trouble?

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>>129124816Always reminds me of Professor Farnsworth's battle recliner attacking the Roswell army base.

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"I KNEW I smelled something in here!"

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>>129125701World's greatest detective, everyone.

>>129116928>>129115919There's also Luminist, which has a much bigger selection than Pulpmags.luminist.org/archives/PU/

>>129120668>Does Holla Forums have recs for any of the pulp comics that Marvel or DC did later?Marvel's Doc Savage magazine was pretty good. Their comic book was crap.

>>129126135>>129101921I do love people sharing the love.

>>129126135Dang! It'll be summer before I go outside again.

>>129125710She thought it might be a dead mouse.

>>129126410And instead just a mouse with wings.

>>129126385Outside?What's that?

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>>129107147Podcast Audiodramas have existed for this long and DC and Conde Nast are doing NOTHING with it.We could be living in the golden age of Neo-Radio Serials and these motherfuckers are just sleeping on the medium entirely.

>>129094669>his Christian characterswhich Lovecraft character was ever Christian?

>>129127162I don't remember Christianity being mentioned in Lovecraft at all. Maybe the Irish detective in "The Horror At Red Hook" was described as Cathollc? But it wasn't part of the plot.

>>129107147 There was that Welcome to Nightvale thing, but even it didn't lead to much of a revival.

>>129127518I'm reminded a bit of some of the D&D weirdos have recording sessions they put online. There's a heavy crossover between Holla Forums and /tg/ so I imagine people will know I'm talking about Critical Roll, though there's a few others.I think the kicker is that recording in this day and age? Easy. Download some sound effects, even public domain music? Easy. Vocal talent? Timing? Now here we have the rub. Like me personally? I'd love OTR so I'd love to do it, but I know I don't have the chops. There's some groups that do this kind of thing. I've been reading the old John Bellairs books. Johnny Dixon mysteries, Lewis Barnavelt (The House with the Clock in its Walls) take place in the 50s so they mention old radio programs. When Bellairs died Brad Strickland took over the series and he's a member of the Atlanta Radio Theatre Company and they do a lot of OTR stuff including adapting stories as audio dramas. Used to do the Con circuits. May still, for all I know.en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlanta_Radio_Theatre_Company

>>129124457>The line was just a catchphrase used on the radio series, not a super-power.I thought what I typed up made it clear that it wasn't a super power, but okay.>I've never seen any connection made between Objectivism and the ShadowWhen I called me an objectivist, what I mean is that he has a clear since of not only right and wrong, but good and evil as well.>I'd say there's good reason to question the Shadow's mental healthThat's basically looking at the trees instead of the forest. The main point of the Shadow is that he's a morally white hero who uses morally black tactics against the villains in order to bring justice. And given the fact that he was created during the red decade, it makes since as to why he's written that way to begin with.


>>129128003Well, I don't agree. The Shadow isn't presented as a morally clear figure at all. He may think he is, but that's not the same as saying the writing portrays him that way. His morality is ambiguous at best. He's no saint.More than being related to the Red Scare at all, which is not a factor in his stories, the Shadow is much more a response to the Depression and the rise of organized crime because of Prohibition. He's fighting "Gangdom" using methods from espionage and warfare. This was the same premise that gave us Don Pendleton's Executioner and all the DEATH WISH type movies And the way the Shadow has given up and personal life for his violent crusade does not make a case for his mental health.

>>129128476While The Shadow certainly has his darker, sinister aspects, because he's, you know, THE SHADOW, it's his thing, he's always been shown to be absolutely moral in the broadest sense. He's basically an avenging angel against crime, and even when he knows someone is guilty if he can't prove it to the law he will leave them alone until he finally has enough to hang them on.I'll grant you he has no qualms about gunning down criminals, and he's indeed a vigilante, he lives by his own strict moral code and everything he does is for justice. I mean by god, he partnered with criminologist Slade Farrow to bankroll the man's island where they rehabilitate criminals. There are no jail cells, no bars on the windows, no locks on the doors; men they feel can lead a decent life are giving that chance away from the temptations of society until they feel they are able to return and live within the law. Some of them either like the island too much or are worried they won't be able to resist temptation and willingly stay. Some of The Shadow's agents are reformed criminals, namely Hawkeye and Tapper.But yeah he has his dark streak. He has a habit of telling certain men he's saved that their lives not belong to him, albeit when he wants them as his agent. Harry Vincent certainly didn't mind. He has his life back, The Shadow provides him with a comfortable accommodations and funds, and he gets action and adventure while helping to bring criminals to justice. The Shadow never spends the lives of his agents cheaply, and will drop everything, even abandon victory against a crime lord, to save one of his agents, though he would for any innocent whose life is in danger, including Inspector Joe Cardona who always speaks highly of The Shadow even when it gets him in trouble with his superiors.Also while The Shadow wasn't part of the Red Scare, the last story being printed in 1949, he went up against his fair share of enemy agents especially during WWII.

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>>129129399That's all wrong. Elric was a weak sickly albino with thin arms. This is like painting Nero Wolfe as a track star.


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>>129092360Probably. Still incredibly based if so

>>129126135>>129116928>>129126135>>129118582Thank you for sharing all this excellent content!Also, who knew Romance Pulps were a thing? This is crazy!

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>>129130094I saw a couple of these in a used book store once while I was looking for old SF magazines."Gay" meant something different in 1944.

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John W Campbell, editor of Astounding Science Fiction, would get submissions which were good -- but which didn't fit Astounding.So he started a fantasy magazine which published many stories now considered 'classic' today. Eric Frank Russell. Theodore Sturgeon. Sprague deCamp.It was called "Unknown". Later changed to "Unknown Worlds" because of the difficulty readers had approaching a news stand and asking for "an unknown magazine". Still later, killed by the WW2 paper shortages. Smith & Street weren't allocated enough newsprint and had to discontinue some lower selling titles.

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Anyone listened to decoder ring theatre.?

>>129091869Alan Moore mentioned this once, he was citing John Keel so take it with a grain of saltBoth speculated that a "tulpa" had been created by the amount of psychic energy generated by Gibson writing 300+ Shadow stories and millions of people reading them

>>129130236After re-titling to "Unknown Worlds" they put the table on contents on the cover instead of commissioning artwork.Just look at what you got in one issue! At least 3 of the 4 stories have since been anthologized many times.

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How did Dynamites Shadow comics drop so badly in quality

>>129120955>>129123244>>129123271These are the "sweats"Mens magazines produced from the 1950s to early 70sThey started out as comicbooks but switched to magazine format to avoid the comics codeThey were aimed at an older male audienceThey would have highly detailed illustrations like in the third picture accompanying text storiesUsually about WWII or being lost in an exotic wilderness, and rescuing local women. The women in the WWII stories always seemed to be getting tortured by nazis or running spy rings out of brothelsSometimes had earlier conflicts, as the 60s wore on they also did stories on the mob/biker gangs/hippiesAs well as "special reports" on communist threats, and various sorts of nymphomaniac shenanigansThey increasingly turned towards outright pornographic content from the late 1960s and began replacing the illustrations with photos in the 1970s