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Can someone explain the appeal of related to me? The setting seems interesting but the combat aka the meat of the game is garbage.
Is it about hiking up past veteran even on your first try?

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It was fun for a few hours but it really did seem shallow compared to PoE or even D3.

That seems to be a common theme for diablolikes. The first difficulty is so easy that it's a slog to get through. I'm playing Sacred 2 right now myself. It has a ton of interesting mechanics and a huge world to explore but the difficulty (on silver) is nonexistent.

its a game for meth addicts. the appeal is you get your fix and you get a little high from clicking an item with a name written in an odd color.

don't play garbage like this. if you want "diablo but good" play gauntlet dark legacy.

I really didn't play either of those.


I took veteran and my current 31 demolitionist hasn't died once. True, I play like a bitch and hide behind a metric ton of electric caltrops and misspelled grenades but still.

It's a thoroughly average Diablo clone that is only fun with friends, and even then, there is no incentive to move on to the higher difficulties since every "good" build plays almost exactly the same at the high end, and the combat is unrefined to the point that most lose interest before they even complete the first difficulty.

Go play Median XL or Path of Exile instead. Hell, GD is bad enough that I'd recommend D3 over it.

Play Blade and Sword my dudes, even on easy it can wreck your shit, playing on hard you get one shot by the most basic mobs, while they take more or less the same damage as on normal.

Oh and yes all difficulties are available from the start, they are not level based.

When did this meme start? Need to know so I can archive it. I'm a memeologist.

i forced myself to play this OP, it was trash in every aspect.

the lore was uninteresting, the world is just a poor attempt at diablo, and the gameplay just just more of the exact same shit, every enemy is like a fucking piñata of drops.

honestly its been 17 years and no game of the genre can beat diablo 2 LoD.

Who's to say I didn't? But I don't remember it being that difficult. A refresher is probably in order. ありがとうござい


Remember Silverfall? I mean that game was junky but at least it tried some new shit.

I remember playing an old RPG, I think it was Siege of Avalon. I got out of the castle and got severely wreckee by the first enemies. I was a kid, though, my character might've been pure shit.

Veteran IS normal mode. If you died in veteran you kind of fucking suck and your build is shit

No, Avalon was pretty shit pushing in if you didn't know what you were doing. It's also the game in which you one shot everything if you pull off a successful sneak attack.

I dunno, it seems people come into it with wrong expectations. It's never advertised itself as some hardcore experience, more of a grim dark Titan Qiest 2. And that game is known for being more about the journey than a challenge, where most fun comes from custom build character class and the setting.


Maybe you're just good at action games, or played on normal since it's selected by default. Though normal gets pretty brutal later on. Real difficulty spike comes from grave digger enemies that are somewhere 1 hour into the game. I don't know runes

I think I am gonna give it another try. The inventory system was pretty cool, with everything from shoulder pads to greaves being individual slots. I love it when games have like a dozen equip slots.

I want to like this game so bad but the difficulty is basically nonexistent, it's killing the experience very badly for me.

Bullshit. Poe is bigger in every aspect, but grim dawn at least 20hours big.

That's more likely than the alternative.


Depressing game as all hell, though. Every single character that you come close with will suffer some horrible fate. You also end up cock-blocked not once but several times over.

As someone who played both normal and veteran on HC I can say that there is no major difference. Veteran is just a bit slower. If you kill everything rally fast go for veteran. If not so fast, go for normal. If you were talking about grim dawn

I'm just playing the hand I'm dealt with. If there's some NG+ mode that's a different question but I've fought and killed bosses 10-15 levels higher and those for which the game gave trigger warnings with next to nothing but spamming electrified caltrops.

There is NG+, are you new to these type of games?

Of courshe. But seriously, my point is that from what I've seen so far I really don't believe this one is worth the effort of reaching NG+

Well shit, its like the other user said. A grimdark titan quest, I loved titan quest so I like this one. It does everything I wanted

I played a bit of that. Piece of advice do, NOT play as the dagger chick. Yeah it can be fun dodging around like a maniac, but she does no fucking damage and shit just gets tedious.

I still have the webm in fact, so here.

Fun for a while, but the enemies outscale you too quickly, Heavy sword dude is much better. Never tried medium sword guy, he might be alright too.

did extended play or xplay cover this game? It seems familiar.

Shallow, not short. Character building and skill/gear interactions are trash in it.
When single-target autoattacks are the most powerful melee in lategame, it's kind of boring.

Its not so bad, but yeah. At least it was slightly improved with that constellation update. But its okay for one playthrough.

Might as well ask it in this thread. Is Titan Quest any good? I think I might pick it up.

Aw shit. I still have the game but never played it. My PC back in the day couldn't handle it and I forgot that it even exists.

Kinda reminds me of Akuma: Demon Spawn, which is more based on Baldurs Gate though.

All diablo clones are shit. Especially Titan Quest was abomination, and Grim Dawn is its direct clone.
Essentially nothing fucking tops Diablo 1 and 2 in their respectful ways, just because whole idea to speed up those games and add mmo-like skill controls to them was retarded.
The only thing that Grim Dawn got right is atmosphere, if it wasn't trying to copy titan quest so hard, maybe it would had been a great game. Also don't get me wrong, but without randomly generated levels this genre doesn't live up to diablo's replayability factor. Starting new game plus and having to go through the same locations is a chore.

The start of the game is pretty bad and its what scares most people off but the rest of the game is fantastic.

I dunno, I got bored by the third act.

Titan Quest is genuinely awful, one of the worst Diablo clones out there. The combat is shit. The "build variety" is shit (hope you like buffing + right click onslaught builds because everything else is trash-tier and ineffective), the level design and enemy design couldn't be more boring, and gearing up isn't exciting at all.

It had potential, but it was gutted by (((men in suits))). I'm sure someone will post the pasta on that one.

I never was able to play past lvl 30. It was insufferable. But I do try it from time to time, but still its pure suffering. Grim dawn is fucking amazing in comparison.

Also Loki: Heroes of Mythology exist and it suffers from exactly same boring shit. I wonder if it gets better?

I dont get it, every single hack n slash that isnt diablo gets killed shit in these threads. Every single one

I feel bad for this guy.

Diablo 3's skill design and combat makes every other ARPG unplayable afterwards.
BUT
Shit itemization.

Even if thematically GD is much better, mechanically its still quite lame/tame. They are competent developers unlike GGG, but they should have done more inventive mechanics. Half of skills can be removed because they do fucking nothing or because they are exactly the same "autoattack on one target" with different damage type. Whos fucking idea was to implement "deals % of monster damage" and than make every enemy with high HP basically immune to it? Who the fuck though that 1 fucking summon not 1 summon type, one fucking summon is good enough for summoners? Oh you can have second one at 50+ level. Whoopty fucking doo.

Worst fucking skill design. You are railroaded into using sets that buff specific skills. The game would be 20x better with skill points and nerfed set bonuses.

The itemization is also complete garbage, loot was better with loot 1.0

There are not enough fun skills, I agree. Honna bring D2 into this, Frozen Orb, Whirlwind, Assassin traps and elemental kick skills, Meteor, Lightning Javelin, Fist of the Heavens, Corpse Explosion, not to mention an army of skeletons, skeleton mages and the revived - they are all fun to use and are varied.

Any good mods for Grim Dawn? Been playing it again, but some new stuff to change things around would be great.

I have 6 pets on my summoner and they are very fucking strong.

Of course. You can't just take a game that people are fanatically passionate about, (poorly) clone it, while missing everything that made it great, and then expect to get anything other than pure venom and hatred. If you clone a game like that, you better fucking made it at least 90% as good as the original.

Path of Exile is the only game that comes close, and even that's critically flawed with the sphere grid system that discourages experimentation through respec costs that are steep to the point that unless you're above level 85+, it's just faster to make a new character if you severely fucked up your build. This results in the overwhelming majority of players just heading on over to the forums and using builds created by others instead of working out their own, which is terrible, because PoE is miles above any other ARPG (even diablo1/2) in build variety, and most people will never experience that.

They should have respecs earnable through play in the sense that every X minutes of fighting (or Y experience earned) you get a respec point. Or make respecs raretr, but let us reset the entire tree at once.

Another problem with changing builds is that you're gonna have to grind up skill gems for new skills. Considering that most attack skills scale heavily with gem level, yoy kinda have to do that. At least it's possible to passively grind them of you have a fitting socket you can free up in your current build.

Do you still play poe because ive been playing for the past year or 2 and every problem you list has been fixxed except players just copying one of the 100 or so fully optimized builds on the forums.

Soon be more.

It is kind of a shame how crap the second one is.

I hope necromancer doesn't suck.

Where have you seen a dedicated pet build that doesn't have at least 2 of them even early on, and 6-8 geared? You get most of them from various types of gear and devotions, not just from skills.

I went in basically blind, only knowing it was a Diablo clone. I found none of the areas, NPCs, monsters, bosses or abilities to be memorable; I played it a few months ago and the only thing I vaguely remember is the last boss being some Lovecraftian, stationary horror blob with tentacles.

The areas were repetitive as fuck. At some point in act 2 I think, I found myself killing ghosts and skeletons in some sort of ruins for HOURS on end. Fucking awful. The combat was even worse, just max out a skill and its synergies and spam it forever. The absolute worst part was the loot: none of it was interesting in the least. There wasn't a single piece of loot that dropped for me during my playthrough that made me excited. None of the upgrades were great, I never had to hunt for better loot to progress, never had any interesting uniques or sets drop, none of the pieces had a visual impact either.

Everything about GD was awful. And this is coming from someone who's been waiting for another great Diablo clone for over 15 years.

But there are fucking 5 of them. Not 20-60.

Full-tree respec would be fantastic, but they've stuck to their guns for so long on that one I don't think they'll ever do it.


Every other season, yes.
The respec issue has absolutely not been fixed. Hell, just respeccing bandits is 60 regrets, which is roughly the cost of an exalted.

More than 5. You can have 12 out with the right setup but it's not optimal damage. You don't need 20-60 in Grim Dawn anyway. Don't get me wrong though, I'd prefer 20-60 but the pets in grim dawn are very strong with investment. Path of Exile has a few odd summoning builds with tons of summons but they need tons of awesome gear if I recall.


Funny because once I hit Ultimate I had none of those issues. If you want any decent clear speed in Grim dawn you'll want 3-4 invested skills. The loot is pretty lame below level 50 I'll give you that.

Maybe it gets better later on, but my first playthrough was so atrocious that it turned me off from ever touching that game again.

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Fun weapons and build started after 50 lvl.

Jesus the 3D models of the end game gear are ugly as sin. The helms especially. I'm currently redoing my rioter build from a few versions ago when upping the molotov damage was really hard. It's buffed so much now the skill actually works really well when spammed like an antifa on coke. I pretty much have to redo all my characters because the new patches changed how some skills worked. My new rioter for example is a lot less bloat and can already hold its own ground in the steps of torment at level 35 and without all the required skills yet.

Not really. Cheapest builds after essence drain.

Pure fun. Pressing RMB for autoattack was never this fun.

I meant to say summon builds that can clear anything.

Its not the point. Having so few minions is unacceptable.

I remember people hating PoE's pet players when in party though because they tend to crash the game with the sheer amount of phantom weapons being totem summoned.

Was kind of nerfed. But there are shitload of fps killer builds.

The proc in the first picture is high damage and the proc in the second picture also gives high life leech. No wonder it has low damage.
Same shit is in path of exile, but the gameplay is faster at least.

Median XL is extremely addicting compared to Grim Dawn. Hell I'm a PoE addict and even then Median XL still keeps pulling me back in.

My only wish is that some one could make Median XL in Torchlight 2 engine instead. Could fix so many issues with the D2s engine…

Nigga what?

They actually fixed issue with only 127 locations recently.

Bandit respeccing is pretty cancer currently, but next patch there's only one set of bandits which shaves of 2/3 of that price.

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There are far worse problems than that. The number of times I've died in Median to retarded shit… the people who play it on hardcore must either be incredibly risk-averse or complete masochists.
I'm glad they're actually trying to hack the engine now though. It's about time someone did.

It's not just that. You have so many procs sometimes, the engine can't handle all the sprites on the screen and everything goes invisible repeatedly until it's over with the spam.

Where is the logic here? Worst case scenario some retard actually learns something while playing. Is that really so bad?

This was in 2005-2006 when publishers started going full casual.

I get that, I really get that they want to make it a game for everyone. What I don't get is how having snow at the fucking top of a mountain is somehow not inclusive for all audiences. My mind is boggled as to just what person was going to go up that mountain, see snow, think "What the fuck? There's no snow in Greece!" and just quit the fucking game right there.

This is some jelly donuts level of retardation.

My guess is that they wanted to keep the image that greece is just Pillars and Zeus. I honestly cannot think of a good reason other than that and suits that have never played a game in their lives.

You're overestimating the general intelligence of business executives.

Hint: They're good at some things and horrible at most other things.

Oy vey! Learning about European history and mythhology and geography is bad for you, goy!

At least its not today level of nignogs everywhere.

I'm willing to bet they demanded blackies in Greece at some point.

ancient greece could be next WE

WUZ KRAKENZ

This still blows my mind. It's like a fan made game that just reuses assets from the first one, and anything new is jarringly bad compared to the old. Not to mention wonky animations and hitboxes. B&S wasn't all that tight to begin with, but 2nd one is outright trash.
I also don't remember ever finding english version, only chink and russian ones.

i'm not too surprised given what i've seen from developers these past few years , suits having even less brains isn't that much of a stretch

Everything in this game is such a fucking slog to kill. Does any class have some sort of risky OTG they can use so I don't have to wait 5 seconds for the fucker to get back up again? It really doesn't help that most enemies your level take three to four combos to down.

It gets better once you unlock yourself a blacksmith and a fusion cube. Going crazy with refining gems and stacking up damage pays off quite fast. The beginning is slow as shit yeah. Don't even bother with training sidequest before getting to the last map of the act.

Also instead of learning skills from different lines, learn one line first to quickly unlock super attack. Those do crazy damage.

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I like how you drew the arrow over the half-naked man.

Try Victor Vran
Its got combat thats incredible, and building your character is less about progressing through the game and spending your levels on stuff, and more about thinking up a new strategy/build on the spot, since there's a lot less progression mechanics and your character strength develops uniformly and your specialization is purely what you have equipped at the moment.

The only issue is that while there's a lot of game there, there's not a lot of variety in combat, there's only a handful of weapon types and skills, and they're all very direct with support/tertiary abilities being mostly in the form of procs and passives.

That's sexist.

Median XL was one of the main inspirations for Diablo 3
It was why it was all colorful

Few minutes ago…

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it's the details that separate the cream from the crop

Damn, I want to get back into GD now.
I really hope there is just straight up Skeletons, you can summon.

One of my favorite things about PoE was the Skeletons summoning. You could have tons of skeletons all over the place. Drop a couple Skeleton Totems, and you have autocasting skeletons all over the battlefield, was a ton of fun.

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There's actually a really good necromancy mod.

500+ hours played here, early game+normal/veteran difficulty really weighs the game down and it pisses me off because a lot of people just give up on the game because of it

the real fun begins in elite/ultimate and if you're autistic like me you'll have thousands of hours of fun theorycrafting and minmaxing builds because of the ridiculous amount of choices you can make with every single class

Only modern hack & slash arpg I haven't given a try yet is probably d3 (never will give blizzjew my money again) but the only game that kept my attention in the end was GD. The endgame is so god damn fun and it is for me without a doubt the coziest item grinding simulator out there right now. The build variety is through the roof and you can play around with numbers converting damage types or fiddling with devotions endlessly if you want that "perfect" build. Some of the more autistic players especially on the forums even can make god-tier characters using almost only monster infrequent drops and disregarding legendaries altogether to make some mind blowing shit.

That being said I'm still frustrated that the game has so many issues that the devs although competent still do not address. The class skills all got that "samey" feel after you've played the game enough, it really needs to become more distinct in some way where I think even some visual changes as you upgrade your skills could have a positive impact on the experience. Early game & normal/vet difficulty you can literally just max out one skill and beat it in a good 4-5 hours which is just a snoozefest and I bet lots of people just get bored after that. Elite and ultimate actually ramps up the difficulty but it still feels like a lot of combat is just stats vs. stats and you do not really need to dodge a lot of stuff or avoid enemy mechanics. Too much of combat is either tank&spank until it dies, or some 1shot instadeath murders you and ends the game and there isn't much inbetween. Back when I was still new to the game it really did a poor job introducing all of the mechanics of the game and it was very easy to get lost with devotions and class combos. Could write more walls of text about the game but this is just some stuff that comes to mind. tl;dr very, very fun game especially in end game but devs do a poor job making the players reach that point before losing interest

I really liked the idea of metal golems in d2. If only the golem itself wasn't shit no matter the base item. And wasting aura runewords on it is retarded.

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You could always just buy a used copy of the console version of D3 to keep the money out Blizzard's hands. As sad as it sounds, it's actually a pretty fun game on consoles. And even lacks some of the biggest flaws of the pc version. Especially if you have someone to do local co-op with.

It only takes the LMB or RMB into account when doing dps calculations so its got nothing to go with when I've got 'move' on LMB and a debuff on RMB. Its a blackwater cocktail build so sheet dps doesn't really reflect the massive aoe and burn dots that it can do.


I've actually tried out GD with my dualshock 3 and holy fuck its comfy to play with a controller. It's not really a game built for consoles since so many more complex builds require way too many keys for a controller to handle but a comfy melee class like a witchblade would be real nice to go with. I'll have to give d3 a try some day but my expectations are low for the end game content.

Even the supposed old animations have worse hitboxes and quality than the first. It is really disappointing to watch and play.

This, I find this to be both TQ and GD's weakness. GD's scaling is that your visual cues look the same, but the maxed level skill is insane compared to a build that only utilizes the same skill at a lower level for utility purpose.

Yeah, sorry, but that sounds a hell lot like stockholm syndrome to me.

Diablo III has garbage skills, but at least there are a lot of things to do in it. Grim Dawn is just going forward and using the same skill wich always one-shot kill everything in the game. I'm glad I didn't give money for this.

So I guess opinions about Titan Quest are somewhat mixed. Might still look into it, as I just dig the scenery, from the screenshots I saw.
What about the following titles, are they any good:
The Incredible Adventures of Van Helsing (1-3 or Complete), Victor Vran, Torchlight 1 & 2

Great story, shit gameplay.

Never touched it.

Skip the 1st one, 2nd is OK-ish.

And TQ's got the setting going for it. Kinda same as Loki in that regard.

Not really, I've played GD on and off and my impression was pretty much the devs didn't do early game very well and the game is dull until you have a semblance of a build carved out. But what lies after the initial slog is a diversity of playstyles that's up there with PoE but not D2. D2 is still king of crazy playstyles.

Vran is pretty fun in an "arcade" kind of way, it's better to play it in the hardest difficulty on a mode I forgot the name of, it's a mode that gives hexes and blessings randomly to you and ennemies, it makes some levels into complete mess.
Torchlight 2 really shines in multiplayer with mods.

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That's a horrible meme you're pushing there and I honestly hope you'll do us all a favor and fuck off.


Vran's on the backlog for the moment

True story, I used to play GD with the (((Steam Controller))) and enjoyed my time doing so. GD has native overlays for the controller which makes things pretty comfy.

Stop this meme, you'll actually get people to buy that trash.

Enlighten us then, user. Why is Torchlight 2 bad ?

Hope that helped

Nigger, you couldn't get the number of playable classes straight.

user post your sorc build. Here's the build I'm working on and it's going pretty lean and mean at the moment. The blackwater damage will only go up from here since I maxed maiven's protection now.

True, my bad, it has 4. But that still won't make the game any better. and there's still no necromancer

The template for my BWC sorc was built around JoV's crucible build:
grimdawn.com/forums/showthread.php?t=50230

Using his defensive devotion setup and a few minor differences with skills (demo mastery not maxed & no hellfire mine, more pts in nullification because its useful to spam). You can tweak your gear quite a bit since most of this stuff is hard to get such as switching green boots for golemborn greaves or buying faction items since they're cheap & easy to acquire. Crafting might also be an option.

I started hardcore yesterday with a gunslinger sorc and it's a really weird feeling not having access to all of this endgame gear I'm used to having. Really fun searching through the wiki and grimtools item database trying to find cheap alternatives for gear to keep the build viable in ultimate without actually having any of the required legendaries.

why the fuck dont you have all passives max lvl. Why the fuck do you use so many spells.

Personally I don't care for necromancers anyway, I prefer "clean" skills that just reliably do the thing you want them for. Regardless, TL2's classes all suck. There's no real synergy in their skills, just a bunch of different ways to do the same thing. Engineer is probably the only good one because at least that has some defensive skills to go with the attacks.

Diminishing returns, some passives only have one point put in them and gear gives +skills in it to buff it just enough to be viable without a huge point investment. Some passives that give +cast speed or reduces stun duration can be capped out using gear so putting extra points in them is worthless. Also I'm only using 5 spells the rest are defensive abilities or just buffs.

why the fuck are you using 5 spells

wheres the fucking expansion

-BWC, main attack
-Mines, resistance debuff on enemies to strengthen BWC damage
-Flashbang, lowers defensive ability and used as crowd control to big groups of monsters
-Mirror, 3 second invicibility
-Nullify, removes debuffs on me that might otherwise kill me and removes buffs on monsters

I dunno maybe they're useful I guess

bullshit build bullshit skills. Just have two skills for clearing trash and one for hitting big boys. Fuck off with your trash build

Min/max fags are the worst. That's such a fucking boring way to play

It is a build specifically made to clear gladiator crucible and that's why I made it. I like classes with tons of abilities but yeah you could play simpler ones just make a build you like to play and play it. Bullshit or not I like using it for crucible rather than witchblades or whatever else folks use.

"Oh, no! He's using multiple skills like debuffs and such. He must be a filthy tryhard!"
Fuck off with that attitude.

BWC is fairly "meta" these days, but people seem to prefer the transmuter for huge crit DoT's.

I remember trying to make a BWC rioter during the days when the skill was considered trash. At least the buff to the skill made this build so much more fun.

Also, the damage of your BWC per second is actually on page 2 of your character sheet if you haven't noticed. You need to bind it to either mouse button first to see it and then mouse over the number to further see the components (fire + chaos + burn)

Use a 2-hand Bettlemage build with Cadence+Calidor Tempest build.

Is melee in GD actually satisfying? I played a Demolitionist for about 30 levels and got bored to death. Didn't even feel like choosing a secondary class until I ran out of things I liked in the demo tree.

2nd class is just a buff to main class. You still use same button for everything so 2nd class provides only buffs/debuffs passives that compliment your main.
The best part, i think is 45-60 lvl. Really fast leveling. But after that is the abyss. And 45-60 is just a couple of hours of farm so the best part is really short.

Due to how scaling works in GD you're kinda right about this. The game really becomes way more difficult in ultimate especially at 80-85 while it's actually quite a breeze to beat the final difficulty boss around 70-75.

Sometimes I really wish we had some simple way to freeze our character's level and just play the game at that stage without gaining experience. It would be cool as fuck to stick around something like level 50 and see how broken your build can get with legendaries and such.

Do you have brain problems or is your reading comprehension really that bad

What a fucking Titan Quest rip off.

I love grim dawn but multiplayer is fucked because there's no scaling between levels. If I have a level 25 dude I can't really play with a level 16 dude because he can't get any exp for the shit I kill. He gets FUCKING NOTHING.

It's not like this game is an always online RPG. There's no balance they have to maintain. You can mod the things all to hell for fucks sake. Who thought it would be a good idea to cut off exp gains for your party just because you're higher level than them.

Did none of the play testers bother bringing this up? You can always the the levels with grim defiler but you shouldn't have to hack to fix the problem. It should just scale exp gains accordingly. FUCK

Everyone? 25 lvl is fucking nothing, you can make new char and play with him instead of powerleveling.

No idiot, because then you're level 1 and he's at 16 and you're back to where you started.

Also when did I imply I wanted to power level anything? I just want to be able to use a character I've been working on for a while. Just fucking scale it so everyone levels normally. It's not hard. Other games scale exp gains just fine. If you're hung up over the whole power leveling thing you can also scale damage down the same way you scale exp. Problem fucking solved.

I'm not entirely hyped for yet another necromancer class in an arpg either but how can a company rip off a game that they made in the past? You mean taking ideas from TQ and putting them into GD?

I think he may just be shit posting. Basically grim dawn is the game the original devs of TQ wanted to make. As I understand a lot of the team that worked on TQ made GD. Hell the hacking tool grim defiler is based off the tool used for hacking in TQ.

I don't have it with me but if you read an interview with the TQ dev he wanted it to be more gory and violent but the publisher gave him various stipulations regarding gore, religious symbols, human enemies and more.

I won't say the game was neutered but it was by no means the original vision of the dev.

I feel for Ironlore (Now Crate) on this.

However, snow in the Grecian mountain's doesn't change the fast that this first 10 hours of the game are poking Satyrs with a pointy stick. Individually.

I can't find the appeal of anything in that genre, including Diablo 1/2 and I've played so many clones. It's pretty disappointing because I kind of wish I could find enjoyment in it, but I don't think it's ever going to happen.

The combat is always so unengaging and it all seems to boil down to getting better loot so you can get more better loot faster or something.

LOST ARC WHEN?!


Try this , it's drastically different from traditional diablo clones an all levels except visual. And even then it has hardcore chinese folklore aesthetic.

Have you guys considered just not playing games that are shackled to DRM master servers?

It would help if the devs weren't reactionary retards who nerfed every build at the slightest hint of being OP, but will leave FOTM builds up for months at a time.

Got a magnet?

You dont get it man

diablo and all its clones are utter shit

Why is that?

I tried MF Golems, which is the "easiest" summon build. It is horrible without the mandated items and jewels, and PoE's rng is very unforgiving and mean. Shit, leveling as a Golemancer is horrible until you hit Act 4 when you actually get golems, and even golems suck until you get your first two lab points (Have fun with Dominus). I gave up on my MF Golemancer because I got sick of dying, and looking for BiS that never dropped.


You're fucked if you use Zombies in fights that don't let you respawn them, and skeletons kind of suck (Almost everyone in Act 4 and beyond, Izaro in Lab). You need to have more than one golem to make Golem builds work, but getting the equipment for that is horrible.


I really want to like PoE, but making a build drrives me up a wall. All I want to do is smack people with a giant hammer, or spam cold spells like Crystal Maiden on crack, but I have no fucking idea how to make them. I was doing well with a Cold-spamming Scion build until one of the act 2 bosses one-shot me with its puncture bullshit (I had a hard time kiting him when he made spawns). Getting and crafting the gear with the right colored slots aren't fun things to do either.

Oh yeah, Scion (MUH FEMINISM), Duelist (MUH BATTLES), Ranger, and Marauder are very unlikable cunts. Witch, Templar, and Shadow are cool, but Shadow is too much of an edgy tryhard.

Like D2 and most of its clones it's piss easy so any idiot can play it.

And it's non-mainstream so they can still pretend like they're not shitters playing a two-button game for literal retards.

I had it on my mega but forgot the password and can't be assed to fiddle with it.
You can easily google it up.
Great game, barely a diablo clone, more of an isometric DMC clone really.

Scion wasn't originally muh feminism, it was changed in a patch much later on.

Scion was probably changed to muh feminism when they hired their diversity officer.

shitty, repetitive "combat" (hold mouse-button on target until it dies with some skill button press between) with brain-dead ai

how is that even possible?
just stack your multiplier support gems and grab elemental, spell and your element of choice %increases on the talent tree along with health or energy shield. manaregen and cast speed if you need it
again, how?

Its a bleed/vitality caster - you sand on enemy wines and Locust while hiting boss with Bleed procs and trying to lure him closely for Kilrian Flame.

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What games do you consider good?

PoE has a ton of problems too, and the little I've seen of the expansion doesn't seem to address those problems.


The game was a hell of a lot more fun during beta, back when you still had to actually play the game instead of using whatever FOTM skill that auto-clears maps for you.

After playing Van Helsing I thought this game was just some clone also wanting to get in on the genre, like Victor Vran. I didn't know it was from the makers of Titan Quest, I just may give it a try now.

I heard Scion dialogue was still pretty bad when all she did was whine like a spoiled cunt about everything in the game wanting to kill her (You're in a twisted, lawless shit-hole, you stupid cunt! Of course animals and twisted monstrosities caused by a bunch of barbarian fags and self-righteous fags want to kill you!). At least the Witch and Shadow know they're no better than everyone else.


It was the boss you fight when you see Piety in Act 2. My health just went down like crazy when he hit me upclose (Everything else in that act was a god damn joke). It never gave me any problems with shitty summon builds (because my retarded minions distracted him while I did ranged damage).


I've noticed monsters are only threatening if you get up-close with a melee weapon or some spell you can't spam far away, or have a shit ton of lag. Puncture fucks a lot of shit up (that, or I just don't know how to deal with that shit).

She is a spoiled cunt. Also
Why would people do that?
You mean monsters cause bleeding on you? Its solved by flask that removes it. And its also was nerfed a lot. After introduction of it you could die in a second. Now you can sometimes completely ignore it.
If you meant that puncture can easily kill shit, than yes, puncture+crit+trap can kill a lot of bosses offscreen.

The lore is kinda neat even if the npcs and most of the playable classes are unlikable. I'll have to consider that puncture combo when I make a trap Shadow. My other beef with the game is a lot of builds require one bandit alive when all three deserve death.

Our Savior! Or someone who will kill you, all of your relatives, all of your village, all of village surroundings in 10 mile radius if you displease him
If you are so crazy you can just pay 20respec orbs for any reward from that quest.

100% agreed.

Are there any classes in Grim Dawn that require you to use a ton of spells/abilities instead of spamming one over and over? I like using a lot of hotkeys.

Kind of. You can spec into spells with CD. Arcanist with blizzard (or whatever its called) is quite strong. And in general you will have hard hitting abilities with CD for almost every class, on gear/gems(whatever they are called). But in the end you just press every button on your hotbar without ever thinking what are you doing. All of them is "dead damage" and basically none of them is debuffs/debuffs are not effective.
But its not that bad.

you can have classes that work with just LMB+RMB or you can have builds that utilize the entire bar for skills, and then you can put a few consumables or buffs and you're going to be using both bars even

How hard is something like this to pull off? The gear investment must be insane. Or GGG nerfed it already.

Don't bother wasting orbs on shit until you're coming to the end of cruel

Fidelitas, the Mourning
he uses lightning strike, get lightning resist

I've played through PoE dozens of times with as many characters, and I can't remember a single thing about the bosses. I can't even remember what most of them look like or what their attacks are. They're just all so generic looking and pitifully easy.
There are a few standouts, of course:
Act 4 had the best bosses by a fair margin, and while the Labyrinth final boss is forgettable garbage, his pet monster that you encounter rarely is pretty decent.
I can't for the life of me remember what the Act 1 boss was. The icy goo-girl who moans about being the victim of her own decisions, maybe? Not sure.

But who the absolute fuck was "Fidelitas, the Moaning"? Do bosses even have over the top names like that in PoE? From the description, I take it he's the crawling lobsterman near the table in that underground crypt-like area that dies in like 2 hits and then you rescue girl whose name starts with M(?) and get a reward or something from the dude with the funny accent.

Maybe if the game's story and dialog weren't so shit, I'd actually read it all instead of just clicking through as fast as possible to rush to the end because I want to break the loot treadmill. It wasn't exactly Shakespeare, but Diablo 1 and 2 settings and stories were far more compelling - or at least they weren't so dull that you needed smelling salts to make it through their story tidbits.

So what do I do to get the right slots for my gear until I hit Cruel again?


Act 4 mobs are lot better than the first three (I like Malachai's design). Fidelitas was some Fake-Baal-looking thing. Act 1 was Merveil, some Gladiator guy's ho.

Just got back into Grim Dawn after missing several patches. Is S&B Witchblade still god mode? I wrecked the shit out of Gladiator with mine.

Also funny how people dislike GD but praise PoE. It has more depth but that's expected when it's been out what, 10 more years? I've tried to get into PoE several times throughout the years and I don't think I've made it to the end of Act 1 because I end up falling asleep.

It's the offensive counterpart to S&B Commandos, IE in the top tier of auto-attack builds at this point. Although with the 2H buffs, warders are getting decent, since they got a 15% damage boost. Just swap your Markovian's for the Warborn set and go stomp all the nemeses at once.

Any new good diabloids realeased since Grim Dawn?
I heard vikings are pretty shit, is there anything else?

I like both games, but I hated PoE until I tried other builds classes like Shadow and Templar (I used Scion, but I can't take her feminist bullshit anymore). I'm probably buying re-buying Grim Dawn since I'm trying to stay away from Steam (Ranged Commando was pretty fun and challenging, but I also liked the Conjurer).

I now walk the path of EXPLOSIONS. Since I haven't got the devotion points for giant's blood or healing rain yet, the gloves will have to do, 1200 every 6 seconds isn't too bad when shield buys me 3 seconds. The belt of anguish is just so good I can't find another to replace it for now.

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