Old School CRPG thread

So is there any way to git gud at Wizardry 6 or is it all just 'roll the dice and hope you don't die?'

You talk like a fag and ur shit's all retarted

Later in the game, around level 4, you get actual tactics to use, but at the start, its mostly dice rolls.

W8 is still good with combat speed improvement and editing one chest and mob so you always get the item you want (light sword).

And don't have to kill them and reload over and over.

GOON THREAD

And virgins from the truly magical.

I hate the first person party approach, I haven't played Wizardy, I think Ultima did a better job than Daggerfall at it's core gameplay but I much prefer Daggerfall's large world and detailed character customization.

Neither have a particularly good roleplay.

Daggerfall didn't really benefit from first person view. Neither did any of those games, they'd play better if they were top down action RPG. Only Morrowind and the Beth games that followed it for having hand crafted world and sufficient graphics.

I'd disagree, in spite of the low detail graphics I can still feel the immersion a first person view gives in these worlds.

What?

Go to hell then. Alternatively play Wiz 8.

Hell it is.

Enjoy having to play bethesda games forever and ever.

I love Bethesda games more than any classic crpg.

That's the plan when OpenMW takes off, if OpenMW takes off.

:thinking:

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*laughs at you*

A redtext board link refers to an off site website you should go to. In this case I was telling the Toddrone to go back to leddit.

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*takes off sunglasses*

AHHAHHA it's fucking pink what the hell it's supposed to be red.

THIS IS REAL RED TEXT

Woah no need to yell at me. I've been calling that yell text this whole time.

Go back to reddit underage pleb.

I'm sure it will fix the horrible gameplay.

Actually that's possible. There are simple mods out there for original morrowind that add manual blocking and remove the rolling dice accuracy.

So they fix it by removing even more rpg from morrowind when it already was a piss poor rpg.

Rolling dice accuracy can be replaced by the values of swinging speed, stamina depletion, critical chance, and damage.

Are you implying that this is not possible in an open source game engine?

for the early levels you just have to grind hiding in shadows or whatever it was called as much as possible and hope you started with a bard so you can use the instrument to put all the enemies to sleep, after level 4 or 5 the game really picks up though combat-wise

Hey how do I get good and M&M6 ? I wanted to go on an adventure but end up getting overwhelmed by waves of enemies (I'm at the city where you meet the young prince).
Am I supposed to grind like crazy ?

at the start, it's very important to give everyone bows. Your first playthrough will be very slow at the start, but eventually once you build up your magic variety and increase your skill points, you'll become a 4-man flying rape machine. Air magic is probably the best for combat because of starburst and sparks, until you can get dark magic.

Am I doing this wrong ?

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That's a good setup, but I'd drop the NPCs. Gold is extremely important, you will quickly have way more levels then you can afford once you hit 50 or so. Master water magic on 1 character and get town portal and lloyd's beacon right away. Like I had said, the early game is a slow grind and involves a lot of running away and slow healing, but once you get going (around level 15-20) you'll really start becoming effective in combat and clearing out areas in minutes rather then hours. It's also worth giving one person a decent skill level in disarm traps, because some of the chest traps get really powerful. Having one person with a high level of identify and another with a high level of repair also helps save time. You'll figure things out as the game goes on, but you're on the right track for now.

Well I've got an armorer and scholar. Do I lose money in the end ? Because armor repair and identification are very handy

the NPCs consume a fraction of any money you get. Those are good choices, but once you've got the skills on your own party, drop them. I can't stress enough how important it is to master water magic ASAP, I waited until the midgame and it probably extended my playing time 20 hours or so from all the pointless running I had to do. Once you can clear out the overworld of Castle Ironfist, don't try all the dungeons as some of them are meant for the midgame, but try to make it to free haven, which is the largest and most important town in the game.

I've got 3 points in water magic already, I guess I'll invest a bit more in that.

Asking to all the wizardry fans out there : are those actual RPGs, as in you roleplay as a character or rather a party and make choices. Or is it more of an action/strategy game where battle is the meat and you just follow along the story ?

Another thing that is very important to me also is the sense of adventure : can I explore the world and stumble across cool shit I shouldn't have by complete accident or is it rather linear and everything is "locked" by the level of the monsters you encounter ?
Is wizardry as comfy as this thread ? I've already got Wizardry 6 to 8, is 6 a good place to start ?

teach that shit to your characters instead

I'm pretty sure they give me bonuses that I need at the moment. The scholar also gives +10% XP is money more important than XP ?

I've only played 6 and a bit of 7, but 6 is pretty much a pure dungeon crawler with the meat of the game being combat, 7 seemed to be the same with a bigger focus on making a convincing world with outside areas, cities, and many factions.

6 is perfectly playable, but it's worth getting the patch that allows you to get good rolls in character creation without spending hours, and the early game can be very frustrating. Prepare to spend a lot of time throughout Wizardry 6 reloading.

Pic related is my MM6 party after beating the game, I struggled a little with the final dungeon but nothing too bad. Each character actually has enough exp to make it to level 82-83 but I just don't have the gold to buy it.

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You need money to level up.

As I had said, money is way more important then XP, especially once you promote your characters.

You're not wrong.

Thanks guys. Does reputation actually change anything game wise ?

it has to do with mastering light and dark magic, which you'll want to do both of, but there's a dark magic spell that kills everything on the map instantly which will make your reputation the lowest possible, and you can donate to temples to get it back to positive. Other then that, it has no effect on gameplay

Alright thanks.
Any idea of where I should go grind ?

What? How the fuck is this a goon thread?

How is shitting up a crpg thread not a goon thing?

no need to grind at that point in the game, just do what quests you can and explore the outside areas and the levels will come.

git gud
on a serious note:
1a. hire a guy that can cast fly spell
1b. learn fly spell
2. get bow for every party member
2b. get blasters
3. fly over non-shoting monsters
4. shoot them
5. ?
6. profit

or get expert dark magic on one or two character, learn shrapnel and kill everything that stands in your path (or until you run out of mana)

jesus christ user, did you watch that video you posted before posting it? I feel like Kurt Eichenwald

still, pretty cool stuff

i know but recording this game is really hard

Apply yourself, faggot seriously, you just about gave me a nosebleed

this nigga knows what's up

You have become as BRRRRRRRRRT

i roleplay as attack helicopter

Thanks.
I also found it a huge headache to record this game. You can't even window it.

If you haven't done so already, you should use the grayface patch with M&M6. It enables mouselook.
celestialheavens.com/forum/10/9704

I replayed through Baldurs Gate II and the expansion. What was with the obsession with the whole drow city at the time of making the game? and why did i have to be there so fucking long.

drizzt had just reached critical popularity mass so EVERYTHING had to have either him or drow in it

What's a classic cRPG that is actually an RPG ? I want something where you can actually roleplay and explore shit.

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Is it playable on modern computers ?

Obviously.

docs.google.com/uc?id=0B1bBTV8kB9NRTXNWNU5BWnlxOWM
Here's a dl link if anyone else wants to play it.

Hope that shit includes the cheat charts or you better start studying medieval alchemy

Fugg DD: darklands.net/tools/tools.shtml I think it's what I need, right ?

Oh wait it's the GoG version so I have the complete manual
Is it enough ?

I really hope I can partake in pogroms in this game

Yup, you got it. I'm actually proud.

Well, a major gameplay element is removing degenerate villages and breaking up hipster conventions. As a bonus suggestion have one fag using a halberd and practice riding, he'll one shot near anything and you'll have someone to shame the errant knights with.

At what page do threads stop bumping anyways ? I don't really want this one to die when you see how shitty the frontpage is

Sometimes it's better for a thread to die before 300.

You can kill people who commit blood libels. It just calls them Satanists instead of Jews.

I wonder how DSP would do if he were playing PC games in the 90s

Ultima Underworld, the most immersive and ambitious cRPG ever created.

Let's play a bit of Darklands together then.
My first character is Lorenz "Loth" Höchstetter, a noble, heir to the Höchstetter family, a minor West-German family known for birthing some of the finest knights of the region. What should my attributes be ?
I'm leaning towards making it your basic shield+board+minor heal palladin that will act as a frontline tank and inspire the troops by his presence. We have 41EP to spend and we can then chose another occupation (will make us spend 5 years of our precious life) or begin adventuring (or at least make other characters).
I obviously chosed the noble background with heir occupation.

Reminder for the rusty ones

Slasher + minor slasher / face + minor slasher with artifice and minor alchemy + minor slasher with alchemy and religion. Strength and the other primary in the 40s, endurance in the 30s and everything else dumped.

Shields are not worth it.

What's the best turn-based, tactical RPG mechanics and encounter wise?

w-wait a minute user what are those slashing things ? Edged weapons ?

No, I meant high strength characters. Skills are easy to train up but attributes are only raised thru temporary buffs or cheesed events. As for edged everyone who ever shat on them and axes especially can get fucked seeing as relic battleaxes rape even templars on V and high proficiency.

How about you ask for something less arbitrary like who's the best waifu or some shit? :^)

Here's the first one after spending all our points. He's only 20 so we could get another occupation before we fly into free.

Friendly reminder that stealth is a party skill, and how one clumsy motherfucker ruins it for everyone. Also virtue is a pain to raise and very easy to lose. Healing is intelligence related so it might be good to give it to your thief so he/she can practice that or artifice while your alchemist does his shit.

Read and write + speak latin + religion on one decent Int character are really good to have in certain encounters. As are speak common + streetwise on a decent Cha one.

Also throwing is not a meme. Shit armor penetration but the damage is something else when they actually connect.

So I literally can't >MUH RP if I want a viable character ?

With enough bandit grind early game and enough ordinance late game you can cover for all kinds of shit like your characters being decrepit and dying under chain or even boiled leather. I mean you can do it and then you can do it well. feel free to tell me to fuck off if you'd rather discover some of the quirks for yourself

Shields for example encourage the AI to throw armor eating acid, firebombs or to simply put away their bows and swarm you. And all of those are almost universally not worth having a +something to your one and only parry roll per round.

Ordnance, rather. Although having a lawyerfag in the party is surprisingly useful.

You know what I think I'll just make RP characters and see how it goes. Will post progress.

I'm currently playing Daggerfall.
Is it normal for spells to cost an insane amount of magicka? I'm level 15 and I still can't use my basic fireball spell.

You seem like a decent enough faggot so I'll do three more and shut up. If you don't already know learn how and when to use attack modes like P, V or B. Slaughtering the locals pisses off only the locals, so remove some bandit knight in their vicinity or take an extended leave and they'll mostly forget you farming their town watch for chain and longswords. And I hope you plan on roleplaying someone with decent healing.

Here are my other characters : a cunning thief/bandit, a slutty ranger, and a perverted Priest.
Do I need a fifth one ?

No, that's for temps. And you can always change or replace bodies in a tavern.

I'm going on an adventure then you're a decent faggot too

We already have a few hints on what to do. Let's try to get rid of the bandits. Maybe our own streetwise thief will be able to make a deal with them.
But first let's buy some equipment.
We currently own 132 pf (?) and can only afort some shitty Leather or a short sword. Our characters only own a V(vest?):studded lthr and an L(leg?):leather aswell as a basic weapon. All for 25q (the average quality in Darklands world according to the manual).
What do ?

PS : I can't buy a sword and leather, it's what I actually own. The prices also change based on who's talking. I'll use Trichelieu to barter since he has the highest Charisma.

The everyday goods merchant holds some interesting items for an adventurer group such as ropes and lights (not sure what the Iron Spike does though, maybe it's just a polearm).

A whole bunch of random items are there to appease the various saints or just to clutter your inventory. But putting a 0 value / non sellable item just below your equipped items is a good way to prevent accidental selling.

Since we don't have enough money to do anything, I guess we're going to hunt for bandits now and probably die trying. (do my chars get removed from the creation list when they die ?)

Okay, our first combat. Try to die as we fumble around.

All you need to know is that dead characters don't take a fifth of party funds when they retire.

Apparently my guys' equipments weren't even equipped. After fixing it we somehow survived. My monk fell in battle but is somehow still alive. Maybe I need to heal him ? What do the bars mean ? Should I take this loot or is it just unsellable (it's shit quality).

Strength = strength and raw HP, stamina = damage soaked by your armor and endurance. One's healed with no effort and the other requires days to weeks of rest and a capable doctor. The last one is grace and not something you'll need to worry about for awhile.

Ok so how about
an rpg set in
modern Germany

Can't think of any pc game that isn't.

MARK
WHAT HAVE YOU DONE

My fucking game just crashed and I guess there were no autosaves back then so I'll have to try again.
Any tip for the battles ? Does parry do anything ? Should I just normal attack my way to victory ?

obviously you never played D&D in the 70s, fag. iron spikes are used to spike dungeon doors open or closed. Like a door wedge but iron.

70s were over a century ago

I-I've only play warhammer.

What I've learned from my failed crashed game is that it's a terrible idea to have a party comprised of youngsters since they have no stuff and barely any experience. I'll try to have the oldfag crew rolling next time.

I have a problem anons, I know Arx Fatalis is a good game, but somehow i can't get into it (tried 2 times some years ago)
maybe it's time to try again?

No, user. You're going to have an adventure with STR in the 15-25 range no matter the gear. And parry gives you a significant bonus to parry. You essentially take your shieldfag, send him to a knight tier character and hope his parry will hold. Everyone else is supposed to whale with B.

As for battles here's a tip - throwing/ranged is not a meme. Except firearms

Do it faggot.

The problem is that when it comes to 4v4s everyone just gets wacked at the same time

To put things into perspective you'll get 2-4 shots with javelins or francisca per character before melee and they're perfectly recoverable and reusable in between fights. That's optimally up to 16-24 and up to five times that if you fuck them with alchemy total chances to cripple or outright floor a soldier or a cultist on a big map, and those wear actual armor. And no, leather doesn't count as armor.

Parry & gangBang is something you use against boss characters. (Robber)knights, demons, sergeants. Those same characters are also the reason most fags prefer military picks, shortswords, (composite) longbows and arbalests to high damage but low armor penetration maulers like (throwing) axes.

And yes, you'll miss a lot and you'll get fucked until your party learns which end of the sword to hold. Get a good doctor, try to learn from any local doctors and for the love of god try and find some scalemail (v) ASAP.

Here's how my first game went.

And have you learned your lesson?

Second game

Guess not.

I looked up footage of all these games and they all look well, boring. These games look more interesting

I bought javelins and have a crossbowman
I bullied some bandits in the countryside but I needed to sell the stuff. I also started to have M&B flashbacks where you have to hunt bandits for all early game.

By the way I've learned that there are witches near a city I can't find on the map (not even on fucking google)

Oh sh…

Feel free to raid the great monastery for relics and half a dozen suits of box stored platemail if you think you can handle it. :^)

Looks for cairns and suspicious villages on the map.

Is there a way to see the damage weapons do or does only the quality+skill count ?
I can't find any armament chapter in the manual.

woah you are so hip kiddo

ahahah i put a C before rpg, ahha, its not like rpg are all the same garbage made for manginas that cant GET FUCKING GUD at games ahahah XD~ c=====8 *slurps boyfriend dick

Look harder.

Nevermind it was hidden in the germanic lore.
On an unrelated note a blonde just autistically screeched at me while charging with wolves.

SHE'S TRYING TO CORRUPT ME

Yeah, but if your dick is pure enough you can end up with a permanent strength boost.

where are you subhumans coming from?

Tried it and I died. Good thing I had saved right before. Next time I just told her to fuck off to a church.

I think my job here is done. Say hi to /baph/ for me.

Thanks user you're a cool guy. Got any other RPGs like that ? They kept teasing for a sequel in the manual but it never came.

King of Dragon Pass. It's not exactly an RPG but it's a great game.

I tried playing MM III this morning before work (GOG version) but I think it runs too fast? Probably a problem with DOSbox, no? I've heard of this being an issue sometimes with older games.

Can anyone confirm if they had this issue too? I'm just going to play other RPGs and for my dungeon crawler fix play Grimrock for now. Not only that but whew, as a beginner into the subgenre MM is overwhelming. Grimrock seems friendlier. Might try Eye of the Beholder too.

I think I finally have all the crpgs I want too. Now to just play them…

Also post must-have modules for NWN. Are there any other games with as vibrant a mod scene as NWN? Any good user-made dungeons for Grimrock or something?

Also anyone else start up Dark Sun and loving it? Im going back through all these RPGs that I never realized existed as a kid.

Who else gonna /dungeoncrawlasanelder/ here? My grandpa played Lands of Lore 2, BG 2 and got me into Diablo 2 and he had 6 kids so I'll play these til I croak

If you want something like Grimrock, try Dungeon Master (the grandfather of all real time dungeon crawlers): dmweb.free.fr/?q=node/851

CTRL-F11 to reduce speed, CTRL-F12 to increase speed.

Anything to spite the Holla Forums remnants and have a decent crpg thread on Holla Forums again. And not really comparable but I'd suggest you look into Arcania trilogy or Conqueror A.D. 1086.

Tried ctrl+F11ing it? As for NWN I'd suggest going for the top shit and doublechecking it's not a cuck mod. Not kidding, those are real.

Way to give me a reason to hit the bottle earlier than usual.

Ah I have Dungeon Master! All from GOG. There was a huge sale recently, site-wide. And thanks for the speed tip, that's actually an answer I wasn't even expecting and you nailed it.

Haha. Don't worry, I'm not too young. 23. I got into D2 at age like 8 thanks to gramps and it colored my taste in games tremendously. Then I discovered Lands of Lore 2 a few years ago and thought it looked too old, but recently (maybe because I'm older?) it just clicked.

Also not him but is that 3D remake of Blade of Destiny on Steam any good?

Dungeon Master is not on GOG.

Was thinking of Dungeon Hack.
Master is mentioned in the dungeon crawler chart I got from 8ch ages ago though

How many good 3D remakes can you name? Just get the original games.

Why would you pay for old ass games?

You granpa was a cool guy who doesn't afraid of anything
My granpa just watched football on TV until he had a stroke and died

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Do something important with your life lads; Play Daggerfall, you haven't even started earning money for your virtual house yet.

Would World of Xeen be a good starting point for the genre?

I don't know man, all I see is procedurally generated bullshit.

When I first discovered the genre it was with the D&D Ravenloft series which is far less overwhelming than M&M to start with. You can choose Strahd's Possession for a spoopy vampiric setting or Stone Prophet for an egyptian style adventure.

The first Lands of Lore and Anvil of Dawn are also great and don't require as much micromanagement either.

Imagine if those devs had access to today's level of technology.

Thanks and Im sorry to hear that ;_;7

That grandpa didn't like football or most sports (which I inherited, thought I like MMA/boxing like his father). He loved Star Trek too. Got lung cancer at 75, passed a few years ago. My other grandpa (still alive) is the football one. I like him for different reasons but it's clear where the sperg gene came from.

Duly noted! I have LoL and will get Ravenloft. Yeah M&M is definitely overwhelming. I love micromanaging but maybe not for my first crawler.

Only the massive space between towns is randomly generated. Any of the tons of places you visit on the map are the same every time you play. I really think a lot of people are confused about how much of Daggerfall is random gen. Quests are randomly generated, I think that's where a lot of the confusion stems from.

M&M is babbys first RPG. If you think it's too overwhelming, then maybe RPGs are not for you?

Wizardry is honestly just sadistic.

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Are there any games like Ravenloft but with turn based combat? I hate doing stuff in realtime in old DOS games because the controls are always so clunky.

Shit game

…I love RPGs and have played many.

What really bothered me was the speed but I just need to turn it down and get my bearings. RPGs are one of my favorite genres.

My exact problem too.

Why play these technically limited games when we have games that can support level-ups and kickass action combat like Nioh and NieR: Automata

Here's a pity (You).

Waiting on DF Unity to be fully playable, working on a mod for it, nothing technical, just improving the visual style. Would easily rather Dagger XL had gotten somewhere.

Life's too short to wait mate.

I have stuff to do while I'm waiting, Daggerfall with mods interests me far more than Vanilla Daggerfall.