ITT: Flawed games where the shit you love is just enough to outweigh the bad

Gravity Rush 1, haven't played 2 and I want to. The story and backstories have a lot of holes, flying combat could be better, but the music, art direction, and the motherfucking gravity shifting is great.
Also, Kat is a good example of a heroine, she's not solely defined by one character trait like cool confident woman, clumsy klutz that trips on her feet, etc. She's just a teen, and she can be confident, sassy, cheery, sad, angry, etc. And the fact that she doesn't mope around and doing middle-school existential philosophy because she's amnesiac is a great plus. She wants answers, but she'll first help civilians and the city.

Can't complain about several songs in that game, that's for sure. Though Megalovania is overrated to hell and back. Remove the OH SHIT moment that comes when fighting Sans, and it's a pretty generic rockin' boss song. Undyne's song in Hitler route is much better and is good even without context. Hopes and Dreams is good up until the middle, then it drags like crazy on the second half. Another Medium was also a good song, at least it helped tolerate a boring part.

The combat.

Love is an overstatement. I enjoyed it enough to keep playing.

The fact that you need four gba for multiplayer sucked, the limited space to move around could get annoying, the plot can be hard to understand if you are not paying attention, as little as there is, and the gameplay may feel a little to simple. By all rights it should be a mediocre game, yet I cannot help but love it.
The music, art direction, combining spells and the glorious multiplayer and the world of the game make it one of my favorites. I like the sequels a lot too (except crystal bearers, I find it too different and kind of meh) but the first one is probably my favorite. It could be better, but I love it just the same.

These. Both are fun but kinda mechanically clunky and limited games, that absolutely explode with fun in multiplayer.
While echoes has better movement/combat/customization and a multiplayer that you can actually get people to play with (crossplatform+online+no extra device required), the original still has a fucking amazing celtic-style soundtrack and the multiplayer if you ever get to experience it is fantastic with the mandatory spell combining, favorite foods, chalice-carrying and menus being split between GBAs (so only one guy will have a map, for example).

I really wish there way a way to still play mp in 1, fuck

Also holy shit. Muh ninja nigger.

Shit story and the gameplay is repetitive and a tad bit clunky but I still love calling a dragon to burn enemies and then jumping off to finish what I started with my leveled up weapons (Also the backstories to each weapon that update whenever you level them up as well as their designs becoming more sophisticated)
The absurd branching story paths and the fact that the base for a really good game hides there somewhere
The crazy melee moves and boss battles

My brothers. I never skipped the narration in each stage because it always set the tone for playing, and how it could convey fear, anxiety and awe.
Also, playing Selkie and backflipping to say FUCK YOU to boss' attacks was exhilarating.

I would say thats straight up an excellent game. the gba thing sucked but otherwise its easily in my top ten games of all time.

You've come to the right neighborhood, friends.

Yeah. I bought a second hand gba just for this game. I used to play as Lilties and my sister as Clavate focusing on magic. Loved to combine the charged attack with spells. I wish SE would port the title to modern system with updated multiplayer. I always wished there were a sequel more in line with the first game, but seeing modern SE, it may be better for it to remain dead.

Agreed. Is also one of my favorites. Trying to be objective, there are things that can be better and other games do better than it, yet there is something about it that really made it one of my all time favorite. I guess it is a case of the whole being better than the sum of its parts.

I'm not sure if it saves it or if it makes it hurt more honestly

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SKYRIM

not everything has to be league of legends gameplay

Feel free to offer alternatives, but I doubt you can actually write

I'm almost sad I posted that particular image first. I want to post it again, because you really are pathetic.

I would say the gameplay was good, but the level design fucked sucked. Controlling Venom felt great and responsive, and it gave you quite a lot of options. The animations looked good and the CQC system probably is the best or at least one of the best to date. But without the enemies and levels designed well it fall flat. I wish Konami wasn't such a piece of shit and actually used it to make a new good game.

He isn`t wrong, the controls were crisp and fps constant even in older rigs. It was quite an achievement as far as ports go, to bad it got overshadowed by BEING NOT FINISHED.

What the fuck is an Ai-chan?

wow user all those games you're posting are really proving you right

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Shitty grindy multiplayer, shitty writing with one of the most boring and generic main character ever, mediocre graphics (atleast for the first one), unbalanced as fuck classes, abysmal localization team that refused to port all the sweet, free and paid DLC with contained the Avatar stories, fucking DLC with colors for your knight if you wanted to customize it in any way, that fucking nerf to the knights that went from OP as fuck killing machines in the first game to even weaker that humans in the second. Half assed make your own town system that doesn't even reach the quality of Dark Cloud 1 and 2, and even worst, the first game was included with the second, making it quite obvious that it was unfinished and they sold half of the game first.
But fuck it if I just didn't cream my pants with the fucking mix of Super sentai, mech and fantasy mix. The character customization was fucking top tier, the music was hype as fuck and even as shitty as the plot was, it still got me hype at certain points. It was so close to actually being a good game too. I still wish there was a third one which fixed all of its shortcomings, but I know it won't happen.

Also it has a better version of the core dark souls story nobody even seems to remember.

Which is deeply ironic i guess.

Great controls, but the maps were very, very bland bar a few standouts like the foggy valley or the water treatment plant.

Just imagine that gameplay in some more industrial/enclosed areas.

Shame survives still mostly wide open spaces by the looks of it, bland survival cash in might be fun with friends but you know its going to be a lot more of the same minute to minute stealth.

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The whole game has a clear, crisp flow, and a new sheen of consummate professionalism that really gives the gameplay a big boost.

Oh and the obvious one.

Only no more heroes in your post fits the thread, tbh. You didn't get the point.

Armikrog makes all the wrong things too obvious and all the wrong things too Vague, but there was just enough good puzzles to make me glad I got to the end.

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Sorry

nier's combat isn't shit, it's passable, interesting at times, but not shit. If you want real shit combat try the witcher games. 2 and 3 particularly.

*goddamnit I was gonna post this* Don't forget the voice acting.

goddamnit

Xenogears combat was a lot better than the garbage that was Xenosaga 1 and 2.

Self check
Also, I forgot to mention pic related.

i loved it. Horror in abandoned bases/underground complexes is an instant- like for me almost

A not so obvious one.

Unbalanced as fuck combat, if you are playing on hard the game is hell at the beginning and so easy at the end you can kill a boss without really giving a shit about its moveset. Furthermore health objects can trivialize most encounters. Repetitive and and simple sidequest which for the most part consist on killing shit. The game has 3 characters, but for the most part you will play as the one with the least interesting moveset and with a gimmick that, although is well used at certain parts of the game, becomes not only repetitive but also OP that can kill bosses in just a few hits. Said gimmick has some interesting uses, but it requires that you make use of stealth where the game is painfully clear that is not designed with any stealth mechanics in mind. The combat, while good, it still far a little short in variety and deep that others platinum games had.
Yet the combat is still fun as hell, the graphics look very good, the music is amazing and the writing is, in my opinion, pretty fucking good even if is worst than Nier. I fucking love it, but it has some big flaws.

The game is a fucking failure considering it had two huge studios behind it.a

This game is a prime example of why auto-heal doesn't belong in an action game. That shit trivializes the game.

Yeah, but the pacing was uneven. I was unaware it was the middle chapter in a 3 entry narrative–so the ending/story blew.
And I wasn't enamored with some of the mechanics. Still fun though.

Its quite a strange case. As a sequel to Nier, it does a great job. It keeps what made the first great, the quality of writing, to similar levels, while improving in everything else. I would agree though, gameplay wise, it could have been better. It felt like Platinum just didn't know how to handle a ARPG, and just slapped stats and levels on top of a normal Platinum game without balancing it well.

Considering the track record of both companies, I wouldn't call it a failure, it is good. But it clearly could be better.

Yeah its a real monekys paw, its good overall but its strengths are niers weaknesses and vice versa. it was great and exhausting the plot by finding everything about how the aliens died and machines with no purpose found the project gestalt files, made the yorha androids and then had an enemy to fight and keep evolving which in turn gave the original project androids a reason to live still was interesting. Even if it literally gets summed up as "lifes only worth living if you have something to live for" line at the end.

Oh i ment the series as a whole, also the levels where you had flashbacks/nightmares and shit were godly

Pic related

Once I realized later on in the game the distinct lack of content in place of an absolutely gorgeous open world, I felt kind of cheated. Those fuckers said it was going to be more like the original LoZ but the game didn't even have half the enemies the first one did. There was no way to repair or upgrade weapons, no actual dungeons, just shitty divine beasts with recycled dungeon exclusive enemies, not to metion
except molduga
she dresses like a whore too

Despite this i had a pretty damn good time playing it, it gave me a world i could just play around it and enjoy to my fullest, much like how MGSV was for me, despite that game being pretty damn flawed too.

Disc 2 of xenogears had me bummed me out so much it took me 5 months to work up the willpower to play it again. Finishing the story was pretty damn worth it though.

I swear the game is carried by the soundtrack, it's the only truly 10/10 game score I've ever heard
I can still hear sound effects in some of the songs
I haven't played the game in over a decade

Good, the first hours of the game were godly, but soon it became too obvious the fatal flaws it has. I like it, but so much wasted potential. Exploring the world was game but the rewards and destinations were shit, the dlc were shit and all the bosses were shit. Instead of so many fucking shrines they could have made great dungeons, hidden all around with weapons and armor that are worth the travel, while also being more fun and interesting. The game is such an immersive experience until you realized that is just as formulaic as any other open world game. Add to the fact that the plot, which to be honest isn't that important in a Zelda game but still, is one of the weakest in years. The breaking of weapons was even more retarded. I get is there to make you use the environment and the enemies weapons more, but it ended up causing more problems that it fixed.
I'm on the same boat as you. I enjoyed, but the wasted potential hurts too much. What a let down.

I meant god and great. Today I'm fucking retarded

Survive looks like it might actually be alright if they don't lean too hard on the "wave defense" shit
What little they showed of the co-op stealth gameplay looked like it had potential

Ar Tonelico and Ar Nosurge

The worldbuilding and songs are just so great, it's enough to distract me from the JRPG cliches, stock characters, and 3's terrible, terrible combat.

Ar Nosurge's combat might have been simplistic, but at least it was novel.

so is the story

the ending felt empty for me, just some canned bullshit about existentialism and finding your own purpose to live. yeah great thanks for telling me i wasted 60+ hours on a game whose characters have no purpose and are fighting each other for no fucking reason.

hi robo-yandev

Both Sims 3&4 in a sense as what the other one has right the other game fucks up but because both do something right i can get back to them every once in a while until i get fed up with the things that went wrong.

I know this game has been talked to death here, but I still love Vampire the Masquerade: Bloodlines.
Awful combat, little control over how the story goes other than the endings, and still buggy after so many years of unofficial patches.
But it has the best atmosphere out of any that I've played. I like games that take place during the night a lot, so I feel like in a way it just happened to meet all my desires. If it had a snow map it would've been 10/10 to me.

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I've gotten pretty good GETs in the past but no one has checked them.
Sometimes you're forced to check your own dubs.
This is not one of those times, however.

Shadow of Mordor was a really janky game. The combat was bland and the story is literal fanfiction (though it's kinda funny if you imagine it as a Jojo crossover). But damn if I didn't find the orks the most amusing portrayal of the race outside of 40k.

It's clearly a necromancer game where you play as a lich

yeah i am far more wary of wave defense than zombies, using a fultoned sheep to lure than and stuff is pretty neat.

Ever see the guide for it? i think prima made it but its fantastic. Its a total catalogue of everything and guides to not miss every event along with lore and caravan journals with the same art style as the ingame ui. Its a fucking gorgeous thing.

I hope they improve the combat and nemesis system in Shadow of War because I really liked the first game despite its glaring flaws

Well if it works for you that way, more power to you user. But the head-exploding flurry attacks were pretty much missing ORAORAORA as the only thing stopping them from being stand attacks. It made the game a lot more enjoyable for me.

this

This pissed me off. I need to replay while ignoring side quests to keep my level down and see if it helps.

For what it's worth I finished 2 very recently and I thought it was a straight upgrade to the first one in almost every way. I have the same opinion of GR1, I only thought it was decent, but the sequel is genuinely great if you ask me. One thing I thought the first did better was that its story was more gripping at the beginning of the game, but once you get to the latter half of the second chapter it surpasses the original in that regard too imo.

I'd have played the game on Very Hard where you die in one hit if respawning and walking back to where you died wasn't such a cumbersome process

That was also quite unnecessary. I don't get why you had to lose your chips when you died. The funny thing is that it is quite easy to just load the game and keep playing as if nothing had happened. I can see how it does make sense with the lore and the fact that the androids can be replaced by copying their minds to new bodies, thats cool, but is still annoying.

Most fans of the series put this in "optional" tier but the nice story and characters kept it going for me and although it's not my absolute favorite of the series I do still like this game a lot. The partner in this one is my favorite, the music is very memorable, and the post-credits segment was especially well done.

Nemesis system was cool but after you learned how easy the game was you never died enough to even properly use it. The Combat was way too simple and the story was so boring and retarded that I just skipped it whenever I got a prompt too. Troy Baker with an accent is a shitty main character, and I don't really care how him and ring ghost got slapped together to make a Tolkien sandwich. Still better than the Hobbit movies.

Mechanically, it's probably one of the best Tactical Third Person shooters ever made, but it's an awful stealth game, it's an awful Metal Gear styled game, and it's got the epitome of shitty, boring open world level design, there's maybe 3 points of interest combined between Afghanistan and Africa, and even then they're used almost exclusively for scripted missions. Everything else is Copy+Pasted. The worst part is that every couple of months I get a craving to pop back in and try and have a little fun fucking around in missions, but every time I disappoint myself ;~;

so much of mgsv could be saved by scrapping the open world or reducing it greatly, imagine if we just had a bunch of ground-zeroes sized areas to drop into with verticality and nooks and crannies to get into and a set up that actually allows the player to use all the cool tools that MGSV gives you

whats the point of having so much shit to play with when half the time you're forced into sniping from a mile away because the map is full of open fields

Same could be said about the Witcher 3. By the time the endgame rolled around, it felt like I'd played the witcher 2 four times, and even then there was still six hours of fucking shit after you kill the "final boss." That's before the DLC. Trim the fucking fat.

Holy fuck how many different ways are you going to try to make unpopular opinions threads?
Kill yourself.

But we're having a perfectly fine thread right now.

that's concerning, i recently started witcher 2 for the first time after being talked out of playing witcher 1, i don't really like the combat but i think i could tough it out and get more into it, beat it and try 3

Preaching to the choir user, I loved Ground Zeroes and figured it was the perfect sample of what TPP was going to be, albeit with an open world connecting all of these unique, well designed little areas. I STILL have fun fucking around in GZ, I can't play TPP without getting a bored out of my fucking mind.

The game is fun it's just that the main story is longer than any RPG I've seen in recent memory. There were several points where I was convinced it was the endgame. One of these was not even a third through the fucking storyline. FORTY HOURS IN. It is possible to spend ten hours in the tutorial area.

Idk user, that sounds pretty fucking great.

Is Xenogears still worth playing with all of its flaws?

motherfucking wind waker

depends I'd say. If you really like jrpgs and don't mind flaws that are fairly typical ones but pretty exacerbated then I'd say yeah. It is a bit of a slog though and the combat, while it seems promising at first, never really takes that next step imo.

I thought so too but then two months passed.

Yes. Are you doing it chronological or release order?

If chronological: Xenosaga (1st cut-scene only)-> Xenoblade Chronicles -> Xenosaga 1 -> Xenosaga 2 -> Xenosaga 3 - > Xenogears -> Chrono Trigger -> Chrono Cross

Are the games actually connected?

nottu disu shit again

Yep. Exoterically only the Xeno games, but the Chrono series is its counterpart in theme and shares its writing staff. This is clear when you look at the names, Space [Xeno] + Time [Chrono]. And before someone objects that "Xeno" (Alien) doesn't directly meaning space, remember that Xenogears' (the mech) non-transcendant form is named Weltall (Universe), and that the entire series is about the human colonization of space even in Xenoblade, the chief point of contention between Zanza and Meyneth was that Meyneth was willing to let the humans/mechons leave and explore space, while Zanza wanted to constrain them.

The timeline is this:
20XXAD: Wilhelm leads modern man to unearth the Zohar, depicted in the cutscene linked in the previous post.
2XXX-1AD: 2nd coming of Christ, mecha wars around Jupiter. This is canon and it is awesome.
2XXXAD: Claus/Zanza, conducting a Zohar phase transfer experiment, creates a pocket universe out of reality. This may or may not be the same phase transfer event that destroyed the Earth and lead to the exodus of Earth. It's unclear, could happen twice, but who knows at this point.
0TC (TC is transcend Christ, when humans leave earth. Edgy, again, this is canon): Wilhelm somehow blows up the Earth. Everyone peaces out. Jews, having planned for this eventuality, integrate with the Catholics, steal the Zohar and create space Jerusalem. They name it second Jerusalem. The non-Jew parts of humanity catch up and bomb the fuck out of them for destroying Earth. Jews (now called the Migrant Fleet) colonize Third Jerusalem. Repeat til you're at Fifth Jerusalem.
~4000TC: Wilhelm takes over the universe again and rules via googleVector. Zohar monarchy becomes progressively weaker as the jew-blood dilutes and people can't use the magic gold to get infinite energy as easily. Oy vey. Conquered parts of galaxy become federalized. There is no sapient life besides humans and occasional contact with ghostlike creatures who crave human blood, but these viewed as urban (space urban?) legends.

~4640: Xenosaga's direct historical backstory happens. Michtam gets fucked up by the gnosis for fucking with the Zohar. Before everything goes tits up, the Zohar gets saved and taken to planet Miltia, which becomes the provisiona seat of the space papacy. Pretty much everyone on Michtam is killed, including Kevin's mom, which makes him a massive faggot.
Later, the feds crack down on the church for having an untaxable, infinite magical energy source again, totally canon and conspire to kill every last person on Miltia. Dmitri Yuriev, who went insane by teleporting through God a whole 'nother story I don't have fucking time for, tries to steal the Zohar but gets cockblocked by a black hole.
A few decades later and planet Ariadne gets blown the fuck up the same exact way as Earth, except using a Zohar emulator, not the original. Xenosaga 1 happens, and nothing really happens. Xenosaga 2 happens and the space pope gets murdered, then xenosaga 3 happens and galactic civilization collapses and emergency space time protocols are enabled, allowing for a universal reset if activated. Party stops it from happening, the Anima and Animus are forced into human bodies (Fei and the original Miang), Wilhelm is trapped in the Zohar, Omega awakens and vid related happens.

The combat system has a lot of potential.
The music is good.
Every enemy is different. Almost all of them.
The map is giant. If they had finished the game and not rushed it, this game would've been a very ambitious success, and seen as a classic for the N64

Holy magic Century got rushed and we got an incomplete game. Even then, the world is beautiful and the ost is great, definitely worth 1 playthrough if you enjoy turn based rpgs.
Even the level up system was unique and ahead of its time.

It was ripped off from a 9-year-old NES game.

Shut the fuck up.

A friend of mine backed this on Kickstarter, as we both really love Neverhood, and he said he game was in an unplayable state. He emailed the dev team and they gave him a "sorry lol". It totally killed the very concept of crowdfunding for him. I'm sad to see that Armikrog had some glaring flaws, but I love that humor and aesthetic.

>dat swinging
>dat multiplayer
but holy shit everything else sucked

Nice argument, retard.

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That was an interesting one. I like when games recognize you as a character and don't make the 4th-wall breaks retarded.

I hope Ni no Kuni 2 is better.

I was going to say Skyward Sword but you reminded me of BoTW

At least SS feels like a Zelda game, BOTW is just a barebones RPG, not a good one at that
Hell, even Hyrule Warriors is more of a Zelda game than this climb simulatior we got

I still love a lot of this about it, though, it IS a fun game

I still think FFCC was just a game with great ideas that was just ahead of it's time for the hardware.

Save money not having to buy multiple annoying single function GCN to GBA cables because of wireless. Why the fuck Nintendo never released a GCN adapter end plug for the GBA Link cable always seemed like a missed opportunity.

Only FFCC game I would end up owning is Crystal Bearers and while it is also flawed it has some nice ideas to it like the"reaction system" that rewards you for experimenting in combat and the news/info ticker at the bottom of the screen.
Still sucks that a interesting experimental co-op multiplayer oriented series ended it's life with a single player sandbox like game.

Oh, but it was.

Bully me all you want. I can take it.

Ni no Kuni was designed by fucking aliens

I wanted to like it but what even was it? I really want to see the design document for this game

New swordslinger game never ever
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Gameplay was fun as hell. The game is seriously missing something to bring you back after finishing the main story. Something like a challenge mode, or a boss rush

Nah, I'm with you. This game has killer style and the story, dialogue, and visuals strike a great balance between 'campy space adventure' and 'gritty sci-fi action flick'. It's fun and colorful but with just a hint of edge. Fucking love this game.

(Disclaimer: I haven't played ME2 or 3)

Don't play 2 and 3.
Just imagine Shepard was able to get all of the council races together to fight the reapers before the reapers were ready.
Because the alternative is a bunch of shit, repeated dumbing down of gameplay (combat, quests, exploration, leveling, character choice), plots that make less sense as they become less mysterious, and just god awful characterization.
This is someone that played ME3 at launch, beat it in 2 days, fell asleep in the fetal position feeling a gnawing empty feeling inside, and still bought all the DLC.

Good taste.

I miss when video games were so obscure we could get fantasy settings without the tolkienism.

BoF2 was fantastic, even though the story plot really flies out of nowhere midway through the game. I also dislike that Jean and Spar were highly outclassed and that offensive magic didn't scale at all, making it generally inferior to physical attacks.

Shamans were the best shit tho, hands down.

Despite agreeing with you about what you said on Drakengard you're insane if you think those positives outweigh all those negatives. Everything else about the game was atrocious.

This IS in fact: the best game. Period.

You can't talk me down on this.
It's just true.

AND SO WHAT IF ITS THE FIRST GAME I EVER OWNED???? WHAT WOULD THAT HAVE TO DO WITH IT

I had the Xbawks version of Dead to Rights. I never beat it.

GtI is about the story and the characters. It is really good in that regard. To bad it fails at everything else. Funny thing, Super is the oppposit. Its gameplay is really good but the story and characters are shit

Jesus fuck that boxart looks so bland. Whose idea was that?

Were you born in 1999?

Great game though.

Though what they did get right shone through. Damage system was done well, upgrades had a greater deal of impact, customization was great and although the range of cars was very limited they included different trims of the same model which was neato attention to detail. I think they were going to go for Underground meets Gran Turismo but didn't have the time or resources when their company went belly up. I preferred this to Underground when it comes to being a car game.

good try

SF4 models were low-res and had wonky poses. But it plays well and is easily moddable for gameplay and looks.

Your post got image glitched hard.

Good old times. One of my alltime favourites.

my fucking niggers
but ring of fates was more fun than echoes to be fair

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But I spent over 100 hours playing and still didn't unlock all the weapons or the parasite suits. I like to just think of the first act as the end, and the rest as 'bonus' content.

You posted the wrong Sam

BFE is now redeemable if you get the Fusion release they amped up the difficulty to the point where kleers have HOMING PROJECTILES!
However SS2 is fucking unredeemable to many.

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That's the point BFE was a flawed game, but if you like Serious Sam it's still fun. SS2 was just complete shit.

Neat.

Reminder that ID: 33faa8 is a faggot who is shitting up various boards with the same image spam and shit arguments. Has changed his IP a good 7 times since yesterday.
Don't ever feed that faggot with (You)s ever again. He needs them for survival. The moment we stop giving him a reason to keep breathing, he will be forced to either stop being a faggot or fuck off back to cuckchan.

In other words Xenoblade is literally in another universe, and Xenogears is connected by some flimsy ass shit that doesn't actually make any damn sense.

I have an especially hard time with the xenosaga-xenogears because of the xenosaga ending. The last cutscene has everybody who survived on the Dämmerung and supposedly headed for earth/lost jeruselum. KOS-MOS is somewhere in orbit around saturn IIRC, and the rest of the fucking universe has been deleted from existence. How we go from 1 ship, 1 system, and a whole lot of nothing, to whatever the hell is going on in Xenogears I just don't know.

The Xenosaga trilogy is shit anyway. I prefer to think Xenogears is a self-contained flawed masterpiece.

Xenosaga 1 is great, both mechanically and in story. It really does a lot to open up the universe and all the shit going on.

Xenosaga 2 shits all over it though, both mechanically and in story (and even graphics). First it starts off with a huge detour into fuck all, then it wraps up everything from xenosaga 1 in a time skip and 1 cutscene, then it goes on to do more fucking nothing.

Xenosaga 3 never fully recovers from the shit 2 did to the series (in any category). It's decent enough, not a detour like 2, but it still doesn't follow on from 1 (or 2) as well as it should.

These games just scratch certain specific itches.

No, it's the same universe. Read Perfect Works before you talk.

What I got from the game is that whatever experiment they did sent everyone to a parallel universe or pocket dimension or something. That's what I meant when I said "another universe". They ripped a hole in reality and everything in Xenoblade exists in an alternate reality because of it.

Unless maybe you are saying they just teleported everyone to a different place in the same universe, but I find that harder to believe.

Shadow of Mordor is the abusive husband of video games. He's not enjoyable to be with, but when you leave and he profusely apologizes, you think that he's changed and then the relationship inevitably goes sour again. The Nemesis system and orcs were way too good for this game.

MGSV is the DKR of video games

Yeah but then it gets undone at the end, which probably leads to it shitting Lost Jerusalem out into the "real universe."

(((Assassin's Creed))) 4: Black Fag
>forced bullshit segments where you're forced to get out of the animus JUST to advance the plot which you will not fucking care about

The big problem with Black Flag is that at the end of the day it's an AssCreed so when you had fun being a pirate during 3 acts they force you back into the AssCreed meta for the 4th and it's like a hangover.
TBH I can't wait to try the Skull and Bones beta. I hope they've learn from For Honor's mistakes.
The legendary ships are a pain in the ass though, they all have their own way of fighting but it's rewarding when you defeat them.
I wish there was a way to switch your little ship with a MoW.

Here were the suggestions I had:

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Seem interesting, but probably not

C'mon user you gotta be naive to think those suggestions even if they're ok are going to be taken to consideration, it's (((Ubisoft))) we're talking about here

every Souls game

First game was good with a layer of "eh" underneath, especially for the story. Second game was very average at best, and didn't feel right at all. S'what you get when you replace Revo with a mobage composer.

I thought Yew and Magnolia was cute, but then again I'm a shit taste sucker for shipping. I sure people thought it was forced.

Honestly the progression of Bergentruckung->ASGORE->You Idiot->Your Best Nightmare->Finale is one of my favorite evolutions. "Okay, time for the final battle -> okay, this is pretty rockin, feels climactic -> SHIT JUST GOT WORSE -> oh shit oh fuck this is bad but we're doing it -> it's working, we're still going to win.

No bully.

Why the fuck did I sage?

God I want the original FFCC to get a Switch port or 3DS port or just… SOMETHING to make it playable on modern hardware. It actually would have been perfect for the Wii U + 3DS, too.

Breath of Fire 2 was one of my first "traditional" RPG experiences and I loved it. I need to replay it and see if it's as clunky as I remember, or I need to load up my old save where I grinded on the island of giant monsters until Ryu was level 99 and everyone else was 90+.

If I win the lottery I'm going to buy the Xenosaga property from Namco (they aren't using it) and the Xenogears property from Square Enix (same) and sell them for $1 to Tetsuya Takahashi and just… let him go nuts with combining them.

Not really. I mean sure, it is similar, but many stats were not simply hitting and getting hit for level up. There was running for AGI, mana usage for MP, getting hit for HP, and melee attack for ATTACK. I believe getting hit depending on what element you got hti on leveled DEF.

Either way yes, it took inspiration, but it stillw as its own little thing, but the premise is the same.

Quest 64's combat system still had a lot of potential. being able to dodge enemies as they cast against you on a turn based game has potential is tuned properly, with cover based mechanics and spells affecting landscape/weather/environment. You could even aim spells too and enemies also dodge as you cast for skill-shots. Setting up mines in your movement/area space. spells available by combining elements. It had a lot of potential if explored and tuned properly, to the point they could be its own competitive advantage IP. They simply Fucked up by being indie and rushed so they couldn't finish it.

if tuned properly*

fuck me I need sleep.

SA2's biggest problem is that they shoehorned too many stages to fit just three playstyles and neglected the most fun part of each of them.

There's an autistic online version of the Chao Garden AFAIK. Also you can still get the SA2 PC version where the modding tools let you create abominations.

You forgot the best part about that game.
I had so much fun in that game grinding guns for parts so I could make my Raifu and Pistololi better.

Really loved the game, just wish it was finished.

Glaringly awful voice acting, an inconsistent story, and my poor ability to figure out how the stock exchange worked, didn't ruin my drive to pilot a 50's-style automobile mecha.

Final Fantasy Mystic quest.
On one hand,

On the other hand,

RIP MAG. Never got to play it. Same goes for Warhawk.

It's just okay.
I had actually forgotten that the Segment File is available in this game. Almost criticized that, too. Xenosaga I has good presentation and doe serve as a good introduction to the series, but as far as actually playing the game goes, it does have issues.

I don't agree with that.
Explores the miltian conflict, the creation of URTVs and their connection with U-DO, fucking U-DO, MOMO's subconscious and the connection to the Zohar, eliminates a major player in the "control the universe" scheme with the space pope, and transitions into the 3rd game.

Also the game has good dungeons(with puzzles, even!), much better, more in-depth combat(seeing as to how you like XSI so much, you're going to disagree), E.S.es that are substantially better than AGWS(although you can't switch back and forth), side quests and various rewards, and honestly, more replayability. Doesn't feel like as much of a chore to play through XSII. I think being shorter helps with that as well.

I just straight-up don't like this game for a number of reasons, so I'll agree that it didn't "recover", but not from any Xenosaga II standpoint. It's just not that good. Still get a little upset at the ending. Didn't mean to make such a large post. I just tend to think XSII is unfairly judged to a good extent.

Almost done with my replay of XSI. Looking forward to play the rest. Well, except III.

>>>/oven/

1st game
2 SOTU
3 HOTU

However, it still blew anything I played out of the water, the characters were memorable, the story was very well written at times and somehow, it was worth playing through. SOTU was fairly weak except DEEKIN was hands down my favorite companion to date. You could tell the team regretted not making companions a core part of the game like in Baulder's Gate. SOTU was simply epic in scale and you really felt a mounting climax in the story in an alien world where everything you've faced in the previous titles was child's play.

architecture was on point

Warframe, someone help me stop playing this garbage.

Play on Hard or Very Hard nigger.

bumpy trot us love, bumpy trot is life.

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Far Cry 2

Shallow combat, but great atmosphere & nice aesthetics. An open world format works for the series; exploration was fun. Must recommend those expansions too.

the entire franchiise

Xenosaga 2 is a mess on a bunch of levels. First it's a technical failure, the load times are huge and the models look like shit. The battle system (on foot) has no strategy, just stock and hit specific zones. Mecha battles are a bit better. The dungeons are fairly good, as you say. The focus on the seconady story makes a lot more sense when you realize that during development, (the games released as) Episode 1 and Episode 2 were originally going to be one game. In the original announcement trailer for XS1, there is footage of Jin and Margulis' dual in the ruins of Old Miltia, which is the second to final dungeon of episode 2. They expanded the URTV story line so much (and don't resolve it until the Xenogears recap in ep3) to fill time. Although, why they didn't just keep and tweak the battle system from XS1 is beyond me. It was a solid foundation.

The only problem with 3 (besides the rushed story, which is especially noticeable when you get to the final final final dungeon and all the personal arcs are resolved) is that it wasn't ever expanded on mechanically. The battles are quick and interesting (rolling turn based system with lots of counters and interacting moves and buffs), the mech battles kicked ass, the dungeons were good, the music was great, but nobody bought it because nobody is willing to invest 150 hours in Shion's dumb, inconsistently animated and voiced problems.

I love everything about it

If T2T wasn't meh I'd call it my favourite trilogy.

I'm going to shove my entire penis in this game when i get my new pc

I just got fed with all bullshit and uninstalled it one day, guess it's like stokholm syndrome.
1000 hours. There is like 5 fucking relevant maps in the game, It's almost a dota. but you keep returning for daily piece of shit for your face.

What is it? Atlus Fsggotry Extravaganza III?

user there are things much more depraved than Atlus. There are depths where not even NISA dare tread.

The more you play it the more the bad shit stands out while the good things just become commom place

There is zero exploration in that game unless if you turn off everything and just go your way. They really fucked that up, the whole game was meant for you to follow trails like a horse with blinders.

This game was such a happy clusterfuck. And while it certainly had some bad flaws, I can't help but enjoy the game more for some of them. The poorly translated dialog is top tier entertaining and actually kind of contextually fits the world once you figure out the spoilers. The map design alone is both atrocious and fucking fantastic somehow. It's like staring into infinity sometimes. You can crawl in vents that do absolutely nothing beneficial towards your placement and take so fucking long that you start regretting going in them once you're half way in at the 10 minute mark.

You usually don't have to stock, and you have access to all kinds of abilities that can be utilized to change things up, including stat buffs, elemental buffs, special attacks, dual special attacks(usually just flashy, but they're still cool as fuck), and dual ether spells. Boost plays a more significant role when factoring in enemy states, and turn bonuses can be put to greater use as well. It was also the first in the series to let you switch formation(behind and in front of an enemy) and switch party members during battle. To say there's no strategy is ignoring a lot of the tools available in the game. Also, they made MOMO actually useful. Thank goodness.

The only load times I really notice are the ones at the start of battle, and they're not that bad. XSIII had load times before boss fights that are comparable.

That's what they did. They kept turn bonuses(added ether boost at that), boost, and ether abilities and overhauled the rest.

I don't like the streamlined battle system, outside of E.S. battles. It works well there, but it still borders on monotonous. Also, the bosses all follow similar AI patterns, so you fight them almost the exact same way throughout the entire game. XSI and especially XSII have better bosses across the board.

Speaking of streamlining, the skill management system in XSIII is as basic as it gets, and with a lot of overlap at that. It's fine if you just want to play through it normally, but if customization is your thing, it's entirely lame. It's kind of like FFX's sphere grid. You end up playing the same way each time.

It is faster, but faces the same problem that XSI has in that when you fight a group or multiple rows of enemies, it takes a long time to clear them until much later on when you get group hitting abilities(Junior/Jin are the MVPs). Also, there's still a heavy reliance on special attack spam. Follow-up attacks are great. Quicker animations are great. I do wish the characters' ether chants had remained the same, though. They're really toned down in III. It's faster, but it lacks that impact it had before, you know?

Yep. Not to mention, the side quests that are thrown in before the final dungeon, which largely just consist of you either running around the Elsa or backtracking through the previous dungeon to fight a 2 minute boss fight for ultimate equipment.

I don't mind the change, myself, but I understand that people don't like them. Now, the in-battle voice samples were definitely low quality. Not sure why that happened.
Not better than 2's, but better than 1's simply by virtue of not being forced into encounters due to series of narrow pathways. Overall fine. A whole lot of running in some cases. Some of the areas were just too big.
Yep, music is good.
I think I cleared the game around 50-60, but that was with me doing some extra stuff on the side.

fug

Fucking come on. If you legitimately thought it had the best gameplay you have ever played you wouldn't have called it such a massive disappointment.

Fuck off. If it legitimately had the best gameplay ever that would be a trivial complaint to make at best. Take your hyperbole and shove it.

kek

WW was absolutely fantastic! Easily the best of the 3. T2T was actually a step back in my opinion even compared to the first game, something was just off.

if Ubishit could have done for 2009 POP what they did to Ass creed 1 to make in to the Ezio trilogy they would have made a really solid game; especially sine 2009 POP had a lot more potential than the original Ass creed

Hmm, I'll need to think about this one.

Pros

Cons:

After playing the trilogy again, the fanservice can be a bit on your face, and the writing is kind of shit. Still like the plot though. Time traveling back and forth in a same area to traverse is glorious. Love it when Onimusha 3 did it too.

Meant to say

I'm back to playing Xenosaga II now. It's been years since I last played, and I'm happy to be picking it back up. I have these things to add/change:

The model complaint is ridiculous. The characters look far better across the board. No more bug-eyes and awkward proportions. The only arguable cases are Shion and KOS-MOS, and that's really up to whether or not you prefer anime-style. They do not look like shit. Also, Shion looks like she could actually be related to Jin, unlike the first game, where they look nothing alike.

I retract my statement about XSIII being faster. It's not. I'm actually clearing out enemies pretty quick in XSII. Less than a minute in a lot of cases. Animations are quick, too, while still looking good and transitioning smoothly. (XSIII, on the other hand, has Microsoft Powerpoint-esque transitions between attacks and some awkward pauses. Presentation-wise, it doesn't look as nice.) It helps that many of the Tech skills from XSI are now regular attacks. The fact that each character has specialty attacks and attack types encourages using different formations and characters for each situation. Enemies in this game aren't given huge HP pools, so taking them out isn't a long process. One to two turns can usually do it(of course, varying by enemy type and strength). Bosses are a different story, but those are bosses. That said, this is the one game in the series where you can kill bosses in single turn, so that point only applies to a general context. A technical mess, this is not. It works very well, provided that you know what you're doing. Kind of reminds me of FFXIII, in a sense.

Also, E.S. battles are much more simple due to lack of the break system, so to suggest that there are more tactics to use in E.S. battles is just blatantly wrong. They're much more straightforward.

As far as stocking is concerned, and I've said this before, it's not required to take out enemies. You will frequently be rewarded with stock for breaking enemies. Stocking once isn't too far out of the question, though, since it can be used to set up.

Load times aren't long. Noticeable, but not long. Again, XSIII's are comparable.

I'm glad XSI & II are separate games. I really like the changes they made to the second game. The skill system overhaul, the additions to the battle system, the inclusion of more side quests, the improvement of the menus(I don't have to go to through three menus to change party leaders; it's much faster), simplifying the equipment system, tutorials for the new systems– There's a lot of places where I can see improvements. I wouldn't have enjoyed another XSI nearly as much, I think. It's unfortunate neither II nor III were finished, but I can at least enjoy what we do have. I'm going to be bummed out going back to XSIII, though. I can feel it.

On a side note, the presentation of this game matches that of the first game. Cutscenes are well done, and the animations in them are pretty nice. Voice acting's flat at times, though. That might just be Canaan's voice actor. Regardless, the first hour of the game is so good. I really believe that this game is unfairly judged.

AKA the part without Shion.

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Pro:
Cons:

The truth is I don't think the combat is that bad and with a few tweaks could be very good, its biggest sin was the way movement worked. Explorations wasn't so much of a thing as the atmosphere that the gorgeous environments, even with the (((downgrade))) , combined with the best music I've heard in vidya in a long had. The game became shit story wise after finding my emperor's daughter and the cutscene were a pain.

It's actually the very beginning of the game. Part of what made the beginning so good. Even plays Margulis' theme during that scene.

Not the one in the prologue, the one in the present right before they find Cecily, Kathe and the Zohar and get space-pope'd.

forgot to include

Ah, never mind, then. Haven't revisited that part yet.

The inclusion of that scene in the trailer is also why the database entry on Jin has an apology for him not being in the game.

Thought I was the only one to play it. Punching the ground to activate a power the bear, I think felt good.

They should also apologize for killing him. I still don't like that ending, and isn't enough to make up for it.

It had to happen, he had to be on Michtam when the Contact happened so his soul could be included in those manifested on the XG planet as Citan. This is actually one of the most clever things XS does, because it means that the Wave Existence in XG is the Transcendant part of Abel, probably the Ark, as it would be drawn in the same way the Gnosis were, being of the same material.

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Overwatch is fun albeit casual

I should play Xenogears someday. Maybe I'll be able to make some connections.

Giving money to blizzard makes you an unlikable faggot

Pick 1.

Why user?

Ey, where the flaws at?

You talking about a degrading artstyle? Shit, this is possibly the only game i can think of that steadily becomes less visually appealing as you complete shit. Nazi controlled zones are fantastic, while KC zones are literally disney shit with vibrant colors and sun *HSSSSSSSSSSS*. That black and white schindler's list shit did tons to hiding shitty visuals too, i just hate how dated the game looks in color.

It would have beaten the fuck out of the disgusting piece of garbage that was Explorers

The ending is a big flaw

I liked the ending. That moody atmosphere, anticlimactic shit and the entire eifel tower sequence was fantastic. Ending is kinda cliffhangerish though and i'm not gonna forgive EA for killing Pandemic ever.

you need to accept your phantom pain.

not entry untrue if compared to other MG games.

There's plenty of things I'd rather play.

user the first half is OK, and the sprite work is great but Disk 2 is a total mess that makes Neon Genesis Evangelion look like a Masterpiece.

Breath of Fire II was my first jRPG too. I'll always have a soft spot for it despite it's shortcomings. Also Katt is handsdown best girl and is probably the closest I've ever been to having a waifu Nina, Bleu, and mushroom Spar are still pretty high tier

Disc 2 is only a mess until you get to the actual end, then it's fine. They essentially had to cut out two dungeons because of the Spirits Within/FF8 fiasco. That game is much more unfinished in my eyes.

However, it did lay upon them a curse. Since then, no Xeno-project has been completed. Saga's woes are well documented (the split of Ep 1 and 2, the hand off of Ep 2 to a secondary team, compacting 2 games worth of plot into the final dungeon of the trilogy), Xenoblade's large amount of modeled but cut contented (including a whole overworld segment), the fact that X's sub-series has been completely jettisoned.

Bomberman 64 has some weird issues like having gems, lives, and continues being nearly worthless and bomb jumping being incredibly finnicky but I still think it's the best single-player Bomberman.

Calling them stock characters despite the development they get, especially the heroines and their Cosmospheres, is a pretty bad sign.

Master System Sonic 1 is a total downgrade compared to the Mega Drive version. Slower, much more slowdown, shorter stages, can't reclaim your rings if you're hit, weird physics…

Yet I find it a nice change of pace from the Mega Drive version. It's still entirely playable and some of the music is fantastic.

No one named Saints Row 2 yet? Game was buggy as fuck, but also a lot of fun.

Nah, it was just buggy as fuck pos. It's universally liked on Holla Forums for some reason.
SR3 was silk smooth, but local sperglords memed it as not serious enough or some other irrelevant shit.

I guess volition should have made another borderline unbearable crap to stay afloat.

I couldn't tell you about SR2 since I never played it but SR3 is one of the wirst games I've ever had the misfortune to play.
I owned it on steam and went out of my way to remove it out of my library, regardless of getting no refund.
Running smoothly is not an indicator of a good game. Merely that it does its job well enough in that regard.

Shitty gameplay
Awesome FMV
Awesome music

I cant hate it.

I enjoyed this initially as well, but by the time you get a rifle/pistol with an improved silencer, the game goes from not very challenging to just blitzing everything. Especially with a mouse & keyboard.

I think it's got the same issue as MGS4, you're put in all these tense situations but the gameplay and abundance of weapons turns everything into a cakewalk. I even tried the OSP mod but all that means is you have to take out one guy then you're back to being able to destroy shit again.

It sucks that one of the most challenging parts (Rescuing Kaz) is one of the best sneaking parts outside of Ground Zeroes, when you have very little equipment and everything is tightly packed.

My pirated Russian repack ran flawlessly on my PC.

The game is not masterpiece by any means, it may not be even good. The writing was bad, it rip-off both God of War and Shadows of the Colossus, the design at some points is questionable, particularly the decision of leaving the best part of the game, the vampire castle, as the second segment of the game and not the last instead of the inferior land of the dead, the combat and animations could be improved and the dark and light powers could have been done better. Yet the art direction was great, the game play offered a variety of platforming, action and some simple but fun puzzles to solve, the music was pretty neat and some of the levels (the vampire castle) were great. It is somehow able to give that feeling of going on an epic adventure, and the variety on the environments was pretty neat. The bestiary was pretty good too, and facing so many enemies of different mythologies, horror stories and cultures is great. The more I think about it the more I believe that the developers really tried to make a good game, but either their lack of creativity or talent hold them back. Perhaps if it hadn't been a reboot that totally missed the points of the original, and instead presented itself as its own thing or at least as a spinoff it wouldn't had received so much (deserved) flack.

Fuck the sequels though, those were awful.

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A thread, for me?

Just because I'm a sucker for 3D platformer games that you actually control. Unleashed onwards are too heavily scripted.

Terrible execution of hilarious game ideas. Also lewd stuff.

I'll also play outright bad games for a laugh, anything beats games so mediocre and boring I'd rather fall asleep.

The soundtrack isn't bad either.

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mafia 2 was utter crap dunno about prey

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