Why are fighting games always terrible

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git gud

This is what I'm talking about.

First video on youtube when I searched "Yatagarasu Combo Video"

There's no 20 second long combos, no ridiculous 50% health combos, and no combos that require learning a string of 15 or more inputs.

It's nice and easy but offers room for complexity, and there's a larger focus on neutral game.

Get yo ass whooped

Go play MvC Infinite it's made for casual trash like you

Oh there's plenty of games like that play Jojos or Melee

because they are low-tier trash for nigs and spics
fighting games are the ghetto of vidya genres

feeling inferior? Go back to playing your shitty Smash ballers faggot.

play that robot fighting game from last year then.

or play a good robot fighting game

Sasuga user

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twinkle star sprites is better

You are fundamentally misunderstanding what I'm asking for.

a new one is coming out soon actually

Why aren't there more fighting games where I can make two dinosaurs have awkward hate sex with each other?

If juggle states were removed from King of Fighters 13 it would literally be the perfect fighting game for me.

Play third strike.

nigger what, look at smash 64 tournaments, since it doesn't have SDI you can just muscle memory people from low percentages to death like a… like a fighting game.

That game is LITTERED with 12+ hit combos, and the stun mechanic is entirely too punishing because of that.

Still less combos than most fighting games.

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Garou: Mark of the Wolves. If you're sick of Shit Fighter Garou ought to be your game.

It's not a traditional fighting game but it's similar so it gets lumped in you little pedant

its a fighter whether autists like it or not

Trips chechked

Honestly if you just want big combo numbers… why not play a rhythm game..?

I just don't see why it can't be classified in its own genre. It's different enough from a fighting game to warrant it. Like the difference between Mario Kart and Gran Tourismo.

Mario Kart and Gran Turismo are both racing games.

think about that for a moment.

Yeah I agree
Gran turismo is a racing game
Mario kart is a party game

Street fighter is a fighting game
Smash is a party game

I think the problem was that unlike kart racers, no one really jumped on the platform fighter bandwagon in time to really define it as it's own genre.

But they're still two completely different types of racing games. Kart racing is it's own subgenre, dumbass.

So Mario Kart and Smash Bros have similar gameplay?

Retard

If you wanna break everything down into some sub category you're going run into the same problems. Like, now you can't call Tekken a fighter cause it's a 3d fighter, or Guilty Gear a fighter cause it's an anime fighter and even if you do you're still going to get pedantic fucks whining about it.

It sounds like you'd like Street Fighter V tbh.

That's not what he said at all.

They're both in the same genre

Theory:

Proof:

Q.E.D.

But the difference there is that anime fighters and 3d fighters in the vein of games like Tekken, at least are still much closer to traditional fighting games like KoF and SF. Any idiot can easily jump between those three types of games, but games like Smash have completely different fundamentals. I don't think anyone here considers full 3d fighters like Budokai Tenkaichi and Anarchy Reigns to be proper fighting games for that same reason, so why does everyone get autistic over Smash, a game which shares just as much in common with traditional 2d fighters as Garou does with Dissidia Final Fantasy?

do you want to play yatagarasu? I can't set up a lobby and play a couple matches with you

Mortal kombat, for honor

I can see that, but we have multiple games that fit the platform fighter/brawler mold. Onimusha Blade Warriors and PS All-Stars come to mind. So why not classify all of these as such? Is it just that Smash autists want to fit in with muh FGC big boys?

Neo/v/ makes threads whining about games with high skill caps. The userbase here really is at least 30% redditors.

So why are fighters so special? Mario and Ristar don't have any thing in common. You don't arbitrarily call Ristar a grabby platformer so people don't get confused do you? Also I'd say going Tekken to SF is as big a gap as SF to melee.

Because optimising combos and working out more extreme and convoluted oki setups and resets help keep people interested. If it's too easy to master people will get bored.

So why are fighters so special?
They're not. Nearly every genre has a bunch of subgenres. RPGs have dungeon crawler, tactical RPGs, action RPGs, ect. FPS has tactical FPS, old-school run-and-gun FPS, and whatever the fuck Call of Duty is, I guess. Character Action games like DMC and Bayonetta are technically 3d beat-em-ups. I can go on.
Ristar's grabbing mechanics are also just that, exclusive game mechanics. At the end of the day, Mario and Ristar are both 2d platfomers where you jump on fucking platforms.

Look at this man and laugh.

but you don't get niggers trying to jump up your ass for calling an srpg, dungeon crawler, action rpg, an RPG. Yet you call smash a fighter and all these expert ass niggas come out da wood work like ayyyy tho mang don't b callin dat shit a fightan nao boi peace 2 mah cousins ray ray n jemele yo peace 2 all da gods in da earf n shit

It's just stupid nigger bullshit and you know it.

Probably because we don't want fucking Smash discussion in our damn fighting game threads.

Not true. As someone who plays both SF and Tekken, the transition is pretty easy. But I play Smash, none of the fundamental knowledge gained from those two games carries over. Not sure which SF or Tekken you've been playing.

I genuinely can't deny this. I hit (my own personal) skill ceiling in Yatagarasu pretty earily on, maybe a month in, and got bored and couldn't stand to play it any more.

yeah that's why the pro scene is filled with niggers, spics, and gooks from your local gamestop battling over 700 peso prizepools while things like dota have 20+ million dollar prizepool tourneys?

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Yes.

who did you main and how many points?

Dragon Ball Z Budokai Tenkaichi 3 did this, only it was fully 3D. It worked surprisingly well, but niggers here will never admit to this.

It's dead, but check out Vanguard Princess. Combos aren't retarded long, and it has cute anime loli strikers if that's your thing. If not, it's still a pretty solid fighter.

That's a pretty big problem, too. It's hard enough to find someone of similar skill level in a game that's ACTIVE

You're heavily limited by how good or bad your character is but you don't know which characters are the best when you start out, and by the time you get good enough to know it's too difficult to learn a new character.

MOBAS have high prize pools just for marketing reasons. Not to mention that they play like mmos, so they aren't as reflex heavy like FGs.

Play street fighter 2

700 pesos from the disposable income of niggers and spics is worth far more than 20 million dollars from Tencent's marketing department.

Reported.

There is you faggot
Play Garou, Play Samurai Showdown, Play SF Alpha 2, Play Some Tekken 3. There are options, you're just not looking for them and complaining instead.

OP you truely are a faggot.

Dota 2 is far more scummy than you think.

The game is designed to cater to the people that are good at the game, so much so that things you'd consider to be bad game design elsewhere is considered to be good design in a fighting game. git gud, record yourself then watch and you'll see you're not that good.

And get a mechanical keyboard, the cheap crap you can buy anywhere gimps you severely so you can't even pull off the most basic moves.

This game maybe worth your time then OP

Fuck you nigger.
It was because of this kind of scruby nooby complaining that capcum went full retarded and simplified SFV to the point of being the utterly crap that it is and in the end it made no difference because you scrubby retards still didn't git good enough and won't play the game anyway even though that shit is simple as fuck.
You faggots are just too retarded to play fighting games.

I don't like street fighter.

Crapcom went full retard a while before SFV

You're a summer fag aren't you?

I tried SFIV because I felt pressured into it since it was "the popular fighting game" and it really felt like casual nonsense.

Don't get me wrong, I got bodied by random pinoys online just like in any other fighting game, but it never felt clearly like my fault whereas in other fighting games I could very clearly understand my weaknesses and failures in certain categories and pinpoint exactly why I lost (whether or not I could fix it)

Block you fucking dumbass. Block and punish. Or fucking backstep and punish. I suck balls at fighting games and even I know this.

The happy medium is supposed to be you fighting against equally shit players. If you end up fighting pros all the time, tough shit. Go watch some tutorials, practice, get better.

Any game I've ever been good at, I only got that way by learning from people that dominated me for a while first.

I am thouroughly intrigues by this health system. It basically solves a problem newbies have by not giving you a single value for character health, but instead ensuring that you can always fight so long as you can land clean hits. IT looks like if you have two people of roughly equal skill the body durability will come more into play to break any stalemates. Super meter is also interesting. You're rewarded pretty heavily for being pushed to the edge but they are all single use, high reward moves.

I'd be down to try this out.

if you think the main skill/jist of fighting games is the combos you're playing it wrong.

SF4 is weird because it had some stuff that was clearly designed in a dumbed down way like focus being a stripped down parry where you only get to parry one hit now and you can just hold it and release if you want to counter attack. There was input leniency too to help new players. The game had a bunch of 1 frame links though that you'd need to plink to realistically hit consistently and FADC was a more complicated RC from anime games. The game ended up being very OS and execution heavy even though elements were designed to be beginner friendly.

What's wrong with having a button to jump? Up to jump always feels so flimsy.

Does OP's pic have panty shots?

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OP the game you want to play is Super Street Fighter 2 Turbo

I'm not going to say traditional fighters need to stop existing because clearly they have their niche, but it's weird to me that no big developer has come forward to try to bridge the gap between traditional fighting games and Smash Bros. Rising Thunder seemed to be the closest thing, but that was a tiny indie game. Why aren't Capcom making something like that?

Focus is more complex than that, you can cancel it to bait opponents, and the health that you'd have lost by getting hit if you weren't using it can be ultimately lost if you get hit before you finish recovering it. It's not a stripped down parry.

Nevermind, I didn't know what FADC was so you already mentioned focus cancel.

They've tried more than once and what happens is that traditional fans hate it and nobody new really picks it up. If you want to sell a fighting game to people who don't really like fighting games, you do it with single player stuff and they can just button mash through that and have a great time.

More than half of people who bought Injustice 2 on PC never went online, less than 2% played 25 online matches.

stay salty

Which games tried it?

You're assuming OP is noncasual enough to play old games. ST has some of the highest-grade bullshit in fighting games anyway, so I'd give it half a day before he comes back complaining about O.Gat or Vega or something

And to expand on that, there's no reason to dumb down the game for the hardcore crowd then. Pander to casualfags with an autocombo and tons of singleplayer content, pander to hardcorefags with a fun, deep game system.

Speaking of 9876 hit combos.

Air juggle is the shittiest mechanic ever.

Play SF2 before Super Turbo then,…

Is this a secret message?

Yes

What the fuck is king of fighters, usf4, or sf3thirdstrike?

Smash is mostly juggles though

This. The 3rd Strike video you posted even has the dummy character drop projectiles to knock the attacking character out of long recoveries half of the time. I don't know if you don't play fighting games, but combos don't look like that in a real match. The game you're looking for is Super Turbo. If you can land more than 5 hits in one combo, the round is over.

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